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On February 08 2012 06:51 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:46 AndAgain wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but why is chat so important to you guys? There's already TL, Reddit, and Skype/Teamspeak. Would you really be spending that much time on chat? I can't explain it, but in BW I would idle in channel and chat away. I would join random games that got created from the chat channel just to observe. SC2 is pure business. Log on, play, log off, talk to no one. That was my experience anyways.
One of the best things about SCBW bnet was indeed just chilling in the chat channel, talking about random stuff, then making an obs game with like 8 random people who didn't know each other, discuss the game with the 6 obs and maybe chat about movies or other games or whatever else, and then maybe add some friends to your friends list. You could never do that with SC2 and it's pretty sad as it was the best part about the experience to me at least
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So much demonizing is happening in this thread T_T
So Blizzard puts in a feature you find annoying, stop being so dramatic. Blizzard cares about their fan base, and they listen to them more than almost any other company. Want to know how much EA responds to the community? Zilch. Nada. Zero. So hush up, our e-sport has one of the best developers in the world >:/
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On February 07 2012 18:39 Gurgl wrote:
Can Blizzard do whatever they want and we'll still buy and play their games?
Annoying, but I know I'll buy it no matter what. It is annoying though, I feel like there is no reason for them to be doing such a poor job with battle.net in general.
What's worse is they can get people to get multiple copies so they can play in more than one region.
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On February 08 2012 15:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
So much demonizing is happening in this thread T_T
So Blizzard puts in a feature you find annoying, stop being so dramatic. Blizzard cares about their fan base, and they listen to them more than almost any other company. Want to know how much EA responds to the community? Zilch. Nada. Zero. So hush up, our e-sport has one of the best developers in the world >:/
Can you justify this or provide any examples in regard to Battle.net 2.0?
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On February 08 2012 06:48 ishyishy wrote:
I'm completely fine with anything they change to the chat system; i dont care at all about chat related things in sc2 or D3. If I want to have an effective chat session opened with someone in order to play the game together, then I will use Skype.
Does anyone even use the blizzard public channels in sc2 anymore? I see like 10 people average in General chat, and 100 at all times in the TL "private" channel lol.
I think this is a good example of where the general SC2 community branches off from TL.net. Personally, I don't care for anything except private chat and ingame chat. There are much more like me, outside of TL, but most of TL ignores those people as "casuals" and claims unanimity.
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On February 08 2012 15:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
So much demonizing is happening in this thread T_T
So Blizzard puts in a feature you find annoying, stop being so dramatic. Blizzard cares about their fan base, and they listen to them more than almost any other company. Want to know how much EA responds to the community? Zilch. Nada. Zero. So hush up, our e-sport has one of the best developers in the world >:/
Whats the point of choosing to compare Blizzard with someone worse?!
While you are at it talking about how other companies listen to their community, why don't you bring up Valve.
Do you know how much they listen to their community in Dota2? Every day I get more and more impressed on how Dota2 is being developed. For me they are the "new Blizzard", the one to look up to.
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On February 08 2012 15:51 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 06:51 Chill wrote:On February 08 2012 06:46 AndAgain wrote:
Pardon my ignorance, but why is chat so important to you guys? There's already TL, Reddit, and Skype/Teamspeak. Would you really be spending that much time on chat? I can't explain it, but in BW I would idle in channel and chat away. I would join random games that got created from the chat channel just to observe. SC2 is pure business. Log on, play, log off, talk to no one. That was my experience anyways. One of the best things about SCBW bnet was indeed just chilling in the chat channel, talking about random stuff, then making an obs game with like 8 random people who didn't know each other, discuss the game with the 6 obs and maybe chat about movies or other games or whatever else, and then maybe add some friends to your friends list. You could never do that with SC2 and it's pretty sad as it was the best part about the experience to me at least
Do you (plural) join "private" channels? I have 3 or 4 different chat channels that I just chill in. A few practice channels and a 'local/regional' channel (@shikyo starcraft2.fi - it's a bit quiet but it's there). I'm able to find games for practice, warm-up, off racing or obsing. Sure it would be nice if blizzard added some user moderation capabilities but I still don't see why I would want to auto join channels that would be filled with trolls... (Also, some of the "blizzard channels" are active - or were last time I tried).
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On February 08 2012 16:10 papaz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 15:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
So much demonizing is happening in this thread T_T
So Blizzard puts in a feature you find annoying, stop being so dramatic. Blizzard cares about their fan base, and they listen to them more than almost any other company. Want to know how much EA responds to the community? Zilch. Nada. Zero. So hush up, our e-sport has one of the best developers in the world >:/ Whats the point of choosing to compare Blizzard with someone worse?! While you are at it talking about how other companies listen to their community, why don't you bring up Valve. Do you know how much they listen to their community in Dota2? Every day I get more and more impressed on how Dota2 is being developed. For me they are the "new Blizzard", the one to look up to.
Blizzard has long been left behind in regards to giving two shits about customer feedback. To me they seem akin to an artist who will make art for clients but get pissed if they give suggestions or criticism.
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On February 08 2012 16:02 Jonoman92 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 18:39 Gurgl wrote:
Can Blizzard do whatever they want and we'll still buy and play their games?
Annoying, but I know I'll buy it no matter what. It is annoying though, I feel like there is no reason for them to be doing such a poor job with battle.net in general. What's worse is they can get people to get multiple copies so they can play in more than one region.
Same, ever since Warcraft 1, i played with every pc game Blizz made, and it was always quality, no question. Gonna keep playing them, tho i quitted WoW 2 years ago so cant comment on Cata and MoP
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Every time a topic comes up w/ this subject, I get so mad b/c I'm so annoyed what blizzard has done to battle.net.
I just remember all the years and years playing SC1/WC3 and socializing w/ so many random people and making so many random internet friends within the game. I remember spending so much time sitting in clan channels or other random channels and just socializing with people. And now with SC2, it just feels so lonely  and it's so much harder to make new random friends. SC2 just feels that it's all about ladder and nothing else (especially since the custom game system is crap).
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Whelp, at least I only have one friend to communicate with so this won't really affect me. However, as time goes on battlenet 2.0 just keeps getting worse and worse. Like it's some kind of devious social experiment or something.
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havent entered a chat room to chat and been playing since beta
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In the end the most frustrating thing is that implementing chat channels is incredibly simple for blizzard, yet they continue to dig their feet in the ground and resist it. It would make the game much more social and enjoyable without being a huge time sink for them.
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its not about 'an effective system of communication'...its about the sense of community that - for me and many other former d2/bw/wc3 players - has been lost. it's the idea of meeting new players and having discussions with complete strangers that love the same game as you do. as a 11/12 year old kid playing diablo 2, bnet 1.0 was basically my replacement for social interaction...i met some complete strangers and joined a clan, and as a kid i felt they had become my little e-family (haha). additionally, as i started getting into brood war and warcraft 3, the fact that all of your playing partners from all 3 games could join together in one chatroom was just...cool.
i think alot of people like me feel strongly nostalgic about the old bnet 1.0 system...and to the new guys who haven't experienced it...it's quite hard to explain.
the fact is that a communal chat system like bnet 1.0 is conducive to the continuing development of a game, as well as the individual development of its players, especially in a competitive RTS genre. it's a shame blizzard is basically ignoring the feedback.
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I feel like many people who are posting did not read the whole thing
"As far as having open public channels, there’s far more negative to them than positive and we maintain a stance that creating an open chat environment without a social structure behind it is an invitation for moderation and support disasters. Most people that want chat channels though are referring to guild channels, or otherwise channels they themselves can operate and choose to invite others to, and we see those as completely valid forms of chat (there’s a social structure backing the channel). As I said, back in September, it’s unlikely to be anything we attain for ship, but the social group-type chat features are still very much a desire for the future. "
They are saying that they are against including open public channels in D3 (these are in Starcraft II, "General" "Looking for custom game", "Looking for Team" etc), and ARE going to support guild channels (although that may come "soon"). Basically they are saying that operated channels will be coming. We have private channels in Starcraft II but not Operated private channels, we can assume that operated channels will come at the same time that D3 gets operated channels.
So if you are complaining about the lack of chat channels to talk to your friends you have misread or not read what they are saying. There are many active private channels in SC2, if you haven't found any you just haven't taken the time to look.
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On February 08 2012 15:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Blizzard cares about their fan base, and they listen to them more than almost any other company
So hush up
ummmmm what? How can they listen to us if we dont say anything?
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It's only been recently that the huge threads and rants about Battle.net 2.0 have picked up steam again. I remember one thread that had some interest but it's just now that this "campaign" from a large audience has sprung up. Yes it's been brought up many times before but I can't recall a time when 4 or 5 threads on TL alone were created in the same time frame discussing the issue. Keep knocking on Blizzard's door and they'll listen. In the first 2 years, the game has undergone drastic improvement in the most important area, gameplay. It's easy to feel like complaints fall on deaf ears when official responses aren't made regarding an issue. That is something I wish they would do more often on their own forums.
Despite the sometimes absent communication, I don't think it's in their best interest to simply ignore a large chunk of the community. It doesn't make sense fiscally, let alone design-wise. If they start consistently dropping the ball and don't deliver on anything, then they'll be in trouble. Blizzard is one of those companies that takes its time on everything it does. It's not known for making games over night or speeding to change everything. That being said, they aren't stupid and in a time where people rage about the smallest of mistakes, you can be certain they have more than enough feedback to get features added. Be willing to be assertive about what you want changed but in the meantime don't let something you want changed spoil the rest. If it's too much to deal with and you don't want to play with a game lacking what you feel are integral features, quit. I did it with WoW when I thought they abandoned their formula in Wrath. The game got so ridiculously simple and the team aspect died off. As much as I enjoyed the game and didn't want to have to quit, the game had turned into something I didn't enjoy anymore. I made sure to lobby my side of the argument but in the end it wasn't something that was addressed and still hasn't been. Same could be said for SC2 now, if there is a point where I feel the game lacks what it needs to be a game I can enjoy, I will stop playing until they fix it (that might never happen). I do, however, have faith enough in Blizzard to follow through with what they promise. If a day comes when they flat out never own up to something and it becomes a trend, I'll simply stop giving them my money. Much like I did with the Call of Duty franchise. I played the shit out of vanilla CoD and was extremely into the competitve side of the game. That died off in the franchise...needless to say, I don't buy new games from them anymore. It's sad that it came to that but at the end of the day, it wasn't the franchise I remembered it for and thus it needed to be abandoned.
Keep voicing opinions but the more malicious they become, the more deaf the ears suddenly are. Constructive criticism is always going to yield better results even if it's the 500th time you've mentioned the same thing.
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On February 08 2012 07:47 CoR wrote:
i dont understand this topic overall, i used to play broodwar from 1999-2009 for 10 years and i have to say i like the chat in sc2 much more then the old bnet 1.0
and all who cares about "guys can join channel" man you can ignore everyone you want and he CANT make a smurf easy and talk to you. seems just an "i not wanna changes" problem but time means changes
all this /F w things where you get anoyed by everyone, 1 million bots in every channel spamming nonstop, etc etc.... its like germans talking about east germany as it was NICE but forget all bad things
ops for channel would be abused as hell like in sc1, "i dont like your nose, kicked" etc it was just bad and as it is its fine
you CANT go in a channel and start brutal flamewar cause its your only account and there is a god damn report system that works (jaeh i know alot says "that doesnt work etc" but i know several guys who cant flame anymore cause blizzard take care of them)
First off, you can't make a smurf in this game regardless(unless you want to buy another account). So if Mr.Johnson wants to spam you for 5 seconds before you can block him, that is fine. If he is dumb enough to spend $60 on another account so he can get 5 seconds of "Fuck Yous" in, that's fine.
Second off, you're bringing in shit that isn't feasibly possible due to how an account is set up on SC2. Will anyone buy 50x accounts and some proxies just to spam channels? Highly unlikely.
So in your opinion, it's better to have an open chat channel where people can spew bullshit all day long, opposed to one that can be moderated? If I have a clan channel, it's my choice who I want in. If you don't like it, there's public channels and other private channels that may want you.
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maybe someone mentioned it already but i couldnt see but, WoW uses a single panel chat interface, and based on the fact that d3 is just a wow clone im 90% sure the chat will be the same. for those that dont know in wow, you have your chat menu which lists your channels in it. it will say [1. general] or [2. trade] before the words so you know which number to /x to use that channel and to leave it quickly. when you receive a pm in wow it comes up in either purple (with char name for in game /w) or in light blue (with real name for real id) you then have your party or raid and guild in different colours using the same format as above.
you are able to move different channels and private conversations to other 'tabs' of the same window similar. overall its a much better system than sc2 chat and for a game like diablo where theres a world around you its obviously required for there to be some kind of permanent chat pressence.
some people have said that "chat is part of battlenet so it wont change" while this is true, that the chat server is completely unrelated to the game server, its worth pointing out that currently the way sc2 and wow take and use that battle net chat data is very different, as outlined above. theres nothing you could read into comments made about diablo that have any baring on sc2.
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He seems to support the idea of player-made and player-moderated channels, but not public channels.
I'm okay with this. What's the problem?
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