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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On February 25 2012 03:42 wunsun wrote: Yea. It seems like we're a sine curve, from caring, then not caring, and back to caring. T.T Well without a single reaction comment or anything from blizzard about battle net 0.2, theres not much to do | ||
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Basileus
United States103 Posts
Blue post on d3 official forums http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4081813178?page=1 "Just about everything is set as it will be at release. There will certainly be tweaks here and there, and some small improvements, but no, we don't have any current plans to change the chat channel interface. We understand the requests, and have seen some of the creative suggestions, but we're in the home stretch and aren't looking to delay the release of the game further. Honestly speaking only a small portion of players will care if the chat channels are like they are, or if they're more like the huge screen-dominating feature in D2. We have to apply value to the additional time it would take to address a small amount of requests for a change, and it just doesn't outweigh releasing the game." I am very upset that they still believe only a "small portion of players" care about chat channels. Considering the number of threads that have been filled, what else can we do. Blizzard still has no idea that the current UI system is terrible and do not have plans to change it. | ||
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
 and think a lot of people would play sc2 a lot more if the interface was better, sine then you have a reason to kind of just hang around on bnet without actually playing, and you will end up just playing a few games every now and then. Not booting up the game specifically to play and then logging of as soon as you are done. | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
On February 25 2012 11:39 Basileus wrote: Bad news today from the D3 world. It looks like they are going to use a very similar chat system and do not plan to change before release because they believe there is not enough time. Blue post on d3 official forums http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4081813178?page=1 "Just about everything is set as it will be at release. There will certainly be tweaks here and there, and some small improvements, but no, we don't have any current plans to change the chat channel interface. We understand the requests, and have seen some of the creative suggestions, but we're in the home stretch and aren't looking to delay the release of the game further. Honestly speaking only a small portion of players will care if the chat channels are like they are, or if they're more like the huge screen-dominating feature in D2. We have to apply value to the additional time it would take to address a small amount of requests for a change, and it just doesn't outweigh releasing the game." I am very upset that they still believe only a "small portion of players" care about chat channels. Considering the number of threads that have been filled, what else can we do. Blizzard still has no idea that the current UI system is terrible and do not have plans to change it. Well.... this is not looking good for us. He's not saying outright that it won't be implemented, but my hopes are dimming. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On February 25 2012 17:46 wunsun wrote: Well.... this is not looking good for us. He's not saying outright that it won't be implemented, but my hopes are dimming. Horribly ironic that the first user reply to that comment is "This is certainly good news.  ". Oh dear. | ||
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CraZyWayne
Germany357 Posts
On February 25 2012 18:23 Shockk wrote: Horribly ironic that the first user reply to that comment is "This is certainly good news. ". Oh dear.I thought the same... "Honestly speaking only a small portion of players will care if the chat channels are like they are, or if they're more like the huge screen-dominating feature in D2. We have to apply value to the additional time it would take to address a small amount of requests for a change, and it just doesn't outweigh releasing the game." Pure ignorance. YES OF COURSE, only a "SMALL PORTION will CARE". Over and over again the same replies, but when they realize what's happing to them it will be too late. Blizzards reputation decreases from game to game. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On February 25 2012 18:28 CraZyWayne wrote: I thought the same... "Honestly speaking only a small portion of players will care if the chat channels are like they are, or if they're more like the huge screen-dominating feature in D2. We have to apply value to the additional time it would take to address a small amount of requests for a change, and it just doesn't outweigh releasing the game." Pure ignorance. YES OF COURSE, only a "SMALL PORTION will CARE". Over and over again the same replies, but when they realize what's happing to them it will be too late. Blizzards reputation decreases from game to game. Just take a look at that whole thread. That's Blizzard's new target audience right there. Loud, impatient, ignorant to what past games had to offer, and greedy for release so they can "finally play the game". They'll drop it after a few weeks or months, but that won't matter, because by then Blizzard already has their cash. Their game design and their PR statements cater to this mentality and this crowd and I highly doubt we'll see any improvements in either D3 or HotS while these people steer the ship. I'll say it again: I will continue to keep this thread alive, and I'll reserve a glimmer of hope for improvements. But I don't really count on them. The future will continue to bring games and content for truly dedicated gamers, but not necessarily by Blizzard. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
On February 25 2012 21:02 Shockk wrote: Just take a look at that whole thread. That's Blizzard's new target audience right there. Loud, impatient, ignorant to what past games had to offer, and greedy for release so they can "finally play the game". They'll drop it after a few weeks or months, but that won't matter, because by then Blizzard already has their cash. Their game design and their PR statements cater to this mentality and this crowd and I highly doubt we'll see any improvements in either D3 or HotS while these people steer the ship. I'll say it again: I will continue to keep this thread alive, and I'll reserve a glimmer of hope for improvements. But I don't really count on them. The future will continue to bring games and content for truly dedicated gamers, but not necessarily by Blizzard. If this is true... Then I have lost the Blizzard I loved. A Blizzard who worked for the community, who worked to improve and become better, to delay the release until it was perfect. I kind of feel that WoW made Blizzard become who they are today. | ||
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wunsun
Canada622 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On February 26 2012 02:24 wunsun wrote: Honestly. Now that I think about it. IF UI improvement improves the number of players that keep playing the game, they should REALLY do it. A lot of people say WOW has great patches and content update because people have to constantly pay for it, month after month. For SC2, in terms of constant income from the game, it comes from tournament because there are tournament fees. They should really improve the UI as more people playing probably means more people watching, which means they can charge higher tournament fees. Tournament fees are no source of constant income for Blizzard. They only collect fees for 5000+ $ prize money tournaments; those are quite rare. Not to mention that using tournament fees as a stream of revenue won't work for a variety of reasons. The only method of squeezing out more money from SC2 will be the two addons to come. Even the map marketplace (should it ever come) probably isn't there for the revenue, but rather as a proving grounds for the new Battle.Net, to see if it can handle what Blizzard plans with Diablo 3 or Titan. I guess it could have generated some revenue - maybe enough to pay their janitor - but they screwed that potential when they shafted the custom community. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
On February 26 2012 02:24 wunsun wrote: Honestly. Now that I think about it. IF UI improvement improves the number of players that keep playing the game, they should REALLY do it. A lot of people say WOW has great patches and content update because people have to constantly pay for it, month after month. For SC2, in terms of constant income from the game, it comes from tournament because there are tournament fees. They should really improve the UI as more people playing probably means more people watching, which means they can charge higher tournament fees. For them to improve the UI they must first admit they fucked up severly, then actually put manpower into fixing the whole bnet. Will they do this? most likely no, it's blizz after all. Can we force them to do it by immense protests? YES WE CAN!!! *Obama face and kicks door open* | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
But the biggest problem is dropping games, right? So why the heck don't they at least address that? One simple idea -- just let us 'resume' a match from a replay. Load up replay. People connect to your game. Zoom to the end and hit 'Play game from here' button. Great for tournaments and super fun for screwing around in a replay too! | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On February 27 2012 07:47 JackDT wrote: So this last weekend brought with it Battle.Net drops during huge tournament matches. And more people clamoring for LAN. But Blizzard isn't going to back down here. They might, at best, let big tournaments rent a Battle.Net server. But the biggest problem is dropping games, right? So why the heck don't they at least address that? One simple idea -- just let us 'resume' a match from a replay. Load up replay. People connect to your game. Zoom to the end and hit 'Play game from here' button. Great for tournaments and super fun for screwing around in a replay too! I love the idea! And they acknowledged the idea of renting servers for tournaments, why is this still not happening? | ||
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Nolfster
Slovakia109 Posts
My group of RL friends, we have been playing WC3 since release and we play the game till now. That is 9 years of great gaming. We really wanted to enjoy SC2 but currently there is none (there is about 10 of us) who plays it. We don't care much about ladder, its the eveerything else that was in WC3 that kept us going. No such things in SC2. And I am affraid the same thing will happen with D3. The more I read about D3 the more I realize we are no longer the primary target audience for Blizzard (we like hard/challenging games, LAN sessions, community, socialising and dislike cheap/easy gaming, any for of RMT). To us Blizzard just failed to stand to it roots and what made it such great company in first place. | ||
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freesta
Germany3 Posts
People responsible for the Battle.net are either completely ignorant about how a good multiplayer system would be like, or they are too unskilled to actually implement the great ideas that have been around for years. Why waste time and energy for people and a company that does not appreciate it? The Battle.net sucks and if the guys at Blizzard understood that, something would have changed by now. | ||
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Ressonance
Brazil14 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On February 25 2012 21:07 XiGua wrote: If this is true... Then I have lost the Blizzard I loved. A Blizzard who worked for the community, who worked to improve and become better, to delay the release until it was perfect. I kind of feel that WoW made Blizzard become who they are today. Just for the record, if they are the majority around, and causal gamers are, then they still working for the community. Just becouse you are part of the minority, it dosen't make Blizzard not working for the community, just like a democratic system ( i dont say its good or bad ), you has to make the majority happy, thus you win the most and lose the least | ||
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Johnzee
United States216 Posts
As a game developer myself and keeping in touch with a friend who worked on B.Net inside Blizzard (he's now working on Blizzard DOTA), I know there's always something they aren't telling us simply because they're not allowed (from NDAs and the like), and usually that something is a feature the community wants. I'd bet 90% of Blizzard's employees are ready and willing to implement these features in the actual B.Net build everyone is using, having already implemented them on a test server somewhere or at least drawn them up like Goblinoid's designs. But somebody somewhere isn't saying the word to go do it, and they aren't saying it most likely because someone who doesn't understand Starcraft II, the systems that are used to build it, or games in general isn't buying it. Riot and Valve are certainly the winners in the design and development of the multiplayer platforms that run competitive games, at least from the client-side and most likely on the server-side as well. Blizzard has been constantly telling us that production on B.Net 2.0 started ~10 years ago when Starcraft II was conceived as the primer game in ESPORTS, and that why it's taken so long to push SC2 out the door was largely because of B.Net. And perhaps that's their problem - a decade is nearly forever in computing and the gaming industry, and while I believe no one at Blizzard is not actively looking at other UIs and multiplayer system designs of other companies, the sad truth is that their implementation hasn't measured up to the standards of quality these days. I wish them the best for the future of SC2, D3, Mists, and Blizzard DOTA (which is frighteningly fun to play), and perhaps someday the systems that surround these games will be as excellent as the games themselves. | ||
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
You don't exactly use the UI for anything.Unless you count custom games which are just fine. That's a comment from the newest thread on the US boards. Sooooo frustrating, because that guy probably hasn't played War3, lacks any form of comparison and thus defends a system he doesn't realize is lacking in most regards. I've tried messaging a number of community figureheads - JP, Husky, TotalBiscuit etc. - and asked whether it'd be possible to feature or spotlight this discussion. So far to no avail. Their videos would reach countless more users than our forum discussions could. Here, we're pretty much just preaching to the choir, but it's the rest of the userbase we have to reach and make understand. If any of you have contacts you can use or time you can spare, try getting in touch with casters, commentators, video creators - you name it. Don't spam, don't pressure - but ask kindly, convey your (our!) passion behind this whole thing, and see if someone has time for us. | ||
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