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Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
February 04 2012 13:21 GMT
#421
On February 04 2012 18:56 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 18:39 Sadistx wrote:
Wholeheartedly agree. They spent minimal effort on sc2 after it came out. Their half-assed attempts at balancing for all skill levels brought as much bad as they did good and the interface is still a mess.

But they can get away with it, because it's not a subscription based game, and since people dont have to keep paying to play, they have no incentive to make things as they should be in 2012 interface wise.

Oh, top 200 is still broken.

I've lost all hope and interest in this game, except for casual tourny play until HOTS comes out. Custom maps are a sad joke compared to what WC3 offered.

At times like these, I wish Valve made starcraft 2.


Sooner or later blizzard will realize that their new policies made their reputation detariorate, and their reputation was their #1 selling point.

Thing is... even now they are by far the best out there.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
February 04 2012 13:26 GMT
#422
On February 04 2012 22:21 Technique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 18:56 maybenexttime wrote:
On February 04 2012 18:39 Sadistx wrote:
Wholeheartedly agree. They spent minimal effort on sc2 after it came out. Their half-assed attempts at balancing for all skill levels brought as much bad as they did good and the interface is still a mess.

But they can get away with it, because it's not a subscription based game, and since people dont have to keep paying to play, they have no incentive to make things as they should be in 2012 interface wise.

Oh, top 200 is still broken.

I've lost all hope and interest in this game, except for casual tourny play until HOTS comes out. Custom maps are a sad joke compared to what WC3 offered.

At times like these, I wish Valve made starcraft 2.


Sooner or later blizzard will realize that their new policies made their reputation detariorate, and their reputation was their #1 selling point.

Thing is... even now they are by far the best out there.

no,they aren't the best, they were the best . Now the throne is empty.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 13:43:54
February 04 2012 13:42 GMT
#423
On February 04 2012 22:21 Technique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 18:56 maybenexttime wrote:
On February 04 2012 18:39 Sadistx wrote:
Wholeheartedly agree. They spent minimal effort on sc2 after it came out. Their half-assed attempts at balancing for all skill levels brought as much bad as they did good and the interface is still a mess.

But they can get away with it, because it's not a subscription based game, and since people dont have to keep paying to play, they have no incentive to make things as they should be in 2012 interface wise.

Oh, top 200 is still broken.

I've lost all hope and interest in this game, except for casual tourny play until HOTS comes out. Custom maps are a sad joke compared to what WC3 offered.

At times like these, I wish Valve made starcraft 2.


Sooner or later blizzard will realize that their new policies made their reputation detariorate, and their reputation was their #1 selling point.

Thing is... even now they are by far the best out there.


Valve is already ahead and CD Projekt RED is now emerging as a "customer-first-no-matter-what" type of a developer placing Blizzard third in the line - and looking at SC2 and the upcoming Diablo 3 makes me think it will only get worse for Blizzard. I can't even begin to imagine the new and innovative ways of making people pay more than they should Blizzard will introduce in its new MMORPG.
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 13:46:49
February 04 2012 13:46 GMT
#424
On February 04 2012 22:42 True_Spike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 22:21 Technique wrote:
On February 04 2012 18:56 maybenexttime wrote:
On February 04 2012 18:39 Sadistx wrote:
Wholeheartedly agree. They spent minimal effort on sc2 after it came out. Their half-assed attempts at balancing for all skill levels brought as much bad as they did good and the interface is still a mess.

But they can get away with it, because it's not a subscription based game, and since people dont have to keep paying to play, they have no incentive to make things as they should be in 2012 interface wise.

Oh, top 200 is still broken.

I've lost all hope and interest in this game, except for casual tourny play until HOTS comes out. Custom maps are a sad joke compared to what WC3 offered.

At times like these, I wish Valve made starcraft 2.


Sooner or later blizzard will realize that their new policies made their reputation detariorate, and their reputation was their #1 selling point.

Thing is... even now they are by far the best out there.


Valve is already ahead and CD Projekt RED is now emerging as a "customer-first-no-matter-what" type of a developer placing Blizzard third in the line - and looking at SC2 and the upcoming Diablo 3 makes me think it will only get worse for Blizzard. I can't even begin to imagine the new and innovative ways of making people pay more than they should Blizzard will introduce in its new MMORPG.


Yeah, blizz definitely seemed to transition from 'giving people what they want' to 'telling people what they want' in the last decade.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
February 04 2012 13:48 GMT
#425
On February 04 2012 21:23 sicajung wrote:
i wish i could be like this.. T__T

http://goblinoid.imgur.com/starcraft_2_ui_concepts#0

/dream on.


holy shit. i want this. so bad.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Nabes
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1800 Posts
February 04 2012 13:58 GMT
#426
Not sure if this was posted in here, but it was posted on battle.net

SUMS UP EVERYTHING: http://i.imgur.com/jEzkT.png
PraefektMotus
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany129 Posts
February 04 2012 14:10 GMT
#427
On February 04 2012 21:23 sicajung wrote:
i wish i could be like this.. T__T

http://goblinoid.imgur.com/starcraft_2_ui_concepts#0

/dream on.


Man, there are SO many cool ideas in there. Imagine this: Instead of watching a stream, you can watch live tournament games with your SC2 client. Being an observer would cause too much lag, but battlenet would live record the game like a replay and send it live to everyone watching, basically making it like observing. This also includes casting support so you can listen to a caster of your choice, all done from within the client. Best of all, you could choose a POV: 1st person, the caster or just observe yourself. If I wanna watch Ret's hatcheries making drones all game long I can do that!
Dental Floss
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1015 Posts
February 04 2012 14:13 GMT
#428
On February 04 2012 23:10 PraefektMotus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 21:23 sicajung wrote:
i wish i could be like this.. T__T

http://goblinoid.imgur.com/starcraft_2_ui_concepts#0

/dream on.


Man, there are SO many cool ideas in there. Imagine this: Instead of watching a stream, you can watch live tournament games with your SC2 client. Being an observer would cause too much lag, but battlenet would live record the game like a replay and send it live to everyone watching, basically making it like observing. This also includes casting support so you can listen to a caster of your choice, all done from within the client. Best of all, you could choose a POV: 1st person, the caster or just observe yourself. If I wanna watch Ret's hatcheries making drones all game long I can do that!


AFAIK they had this exact feature in Warcraft 3.
Kim Tae Gyun.... never forget Perfectman RIP
McGregsen
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 14:22:42
February 04 2012 14:19 GMT
#429
On February 04 2012 23:13 Dental Floss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 23:10 PraefektMotus wrote:
On February 04 2012 21:23 sicajung wrote:
i wish i could be like this.. T__T

http://goblinoid.imgur.com/starcraft_2_ui_concepts#0

/dream on.


Man, there are SO many cool ideas in there. Imagine this: Instead of watching a stream, you can watch live tournament games with your SC2 client. Being an observer would cause too much lag, but battlenet would live record the game like a replay and send it live to everyone watching, basically making it like observing. This also includes casting support so you can listen to a caster of your choice, all done from within the client. Best of all, you could choose a POV: 1st person, the caster or just observe yourself. If I wanna watch Ret's hatcheries making drones all game long I can do that!


AFAIK they had this exact feature in Warcraft 3.


Yes there was WTV which basically did that. But to be fair this was done by 3rd party developers and not by blizzard and not officially supported.
blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
February 04 2012 14:27 GMT
#430
we need to protest blizzard. get protestors outside blizzard offices. stop buying their products. the whole shebang.
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 14:31:18
February 04 2012 14:31 GMT
#431
well it will come to change soon + Show Spoiler +
tm
Incredible Miracle
Mysti_
Profile Joined May 2011
France185 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-04 14:44:34
February 04 2012 14:42 GMT
#432
This game is really carried by it's community, if it wasn't for all the great personnalities that play / cast sc2 I would've stopped playing this shit long ago.

It reminds me of CoD where the game itself is really bad and non-innovative but people buy it and play it just cuz it's called CoD and the older ones were good. Kinda the same with scbw and wc3 being the best rts ever implemented features wise.

=> Why would Blizzard change if people still buy their games ?

The ONLY way they could change is in case of a massive boycott, imagine if 50% of all the wow addicts opened their eyes and stopped their subscribtions, or if D3 was subject to a massive boycott at his coming out, with clear revendications made to blizzard from us the gamers ?

But I'm dreaming it won't happen, all I can do is boycott them myself, I will never buy D3 this looks like a shitgame anyway and i'm not sure to buy HotS even tho i'll probably buy it for the community and the esport scene... but not really for the quality of the game.

PS: This post should be in front page and the discussion should continue for as long as Blizzard will act like they do.
"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less concerned about the later than the former. Space we can recover, lost time never." - "Ability is of little account without opportunity." Napoléon
Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
February 04 2012 14:52 GMT
#433
On February 04 2012 23:42 Mysti_ wrote:
This game is really carried by it's community, if it wasn't for all the great personnalities that play / cast sc2 I would've stopped playing this shit long ago.

It reminds me of CoD where the game itself is really bad and non-innovative but people buy it and play it just cuz it's called CoD and the older ones were good. Kinda the same with scbw and wc3 being the best rts ever implemented features wise.

=> Why would Blizzard change if people still buy their games ?

The ONLY way they could change is in case of a massive boycott, imagine if 50% of all the wow addicts opened their eyes and stopped their subscribtions, or if D3 was subject to a massive boycott at his coming out, with clear revendications made to blizzard from us the gamers ?

But I'm dreaming it won't happen, all I can do is boycott them myself, I will never buy D3 this looks like a shitgame anyway and i'm not sure to buy HotS even tho i'll probably buy it for the community and the esport scene... but not really for the quality of the game.

PS: This post should be in front page and the discussion should continue for as long as Blizzard will act like they do.

For what matters, I will not buy neither Hots and Diablo 3.
But I fear, that if you won't buy hots, ladder won't be available for you anymore
For what matters, I stopped laddering
faqqSen
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany78 Posts
February 04 2012 14:57 GMT
#434
On February 04 2012 21:23 sicajung wrote:
i wish i could be like this.. T__T

http://goblinoid.imgur.com/starcraft_2_ui_concepts#0

/dream on.


/cry
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 04 2012 14:58 GMT
#435
On February 04 2012 18:58 Darksoldierr wrote:
Blizz just keep saying "x or y is on their to do list", but noone ever knows what is their top 3 to do :\


Titan
Titan
Titan

My guess is more than 50% of Blizzard employes work on this atm.
And i feel Titan will not be something aimed at the same public as our.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
February 04 2012 15:01 GMT
#436
I agree, also the fact that they said we could have name change in the future, and just straight up changed their minds without telling the public pissed me off quite a bit.

they've really gone down hill since the merge with acitivison in terms of keeping customers happy
Tuthur
Profile Joined July 2010
France985 Posts
February 04 2012 15:06 GMT
#437
glad to see this issue is gaining attention today, it has always been said but maybe we can achieve something here

+ Show Spoiler +
who am I kidding, this won't happen
Arghnews
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom169 Posts
February 04 2012 15:13 GMT
#438
Agree completely. So many of these features would be so easy to implement and so nice to see.

I REALLY hope that Blizzard takes notice of this post. It's not another Q_Q about balance that is IMPOSSIBLE to fix, but something actually incredibly realistic, correct, relevant, and something that should be done for HotS.

Just hope Bliz actually bother to read it.
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
February 04 2012 15:14 GMT
#439
On February 04 2012 17:59 Honeybadger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 10:03 KingPwny wrote:
That's actually quite a good point. Blizz is becoming greedier and greedier, and although that's what companies do genereally, it seems that I at least am not the right kind of customer for this sorta deal. Steam has improved vastly over the years, and the difference between Bnet stagnating and just becoming really awful to deal with, must be profits . Blizz dont' wanna go out of their way of making a polished product and instead make a follow up to a major title and just kinda expect ppl to buy it? I think their business plans are very short term, and if this is the direction for blizz, my money is going to Valve / other more customer based games. Let's see if this even gets heard by any of the blizz team, or if we just get more excuses. Blizz are you listening to the small ppl????


It's not even blizzard's fault, I'd say. I couldn't, in all honesty, say that Dustin Browder and David Kim want to do anything other than give the players what they want. I can't believe that Dustin Browder wouldn't think that the automated tourney or LAN option would be anything but awesome. The problem is the corporate shift (no wingnuttery here, this is documented and supported by economists) has gone from customer satisfaction based to shareholder based. Shareholders are short-sighted, fickle, and have no interest in the company beyond the financial gain it brings. Vivendi gobbled up activision, who bought blizzard, purely because they wanted the company with the name that lays the golden eggs.

So we now have a great company, blizzard, filled with great people who love games, with a fucking shock collar around its neck that is the shareholders. This short-sighted attitude has forced blizzard to be completely unable to invest the time into improving the UI that they would like, because time is money, and time that isn't spent on expansions, MMO's, or sequels, a-la things that stupid shareholders know will bring them profits, is too risky for them to allow. We all know and love the Blizzard of olden days, where customer satisfaction was what they wanted. They made games how they wanted them, supported them heavily, and had, for a time, a sterling reputation for being one of, if not the best game developer on earth. And now we see that beautiful company being strapped to an egg-laying machine and slowly choked to death by the shareholders.

Valve has managed to avoid it because they have no parent company, and just don't engage in such shiesty corporate practices. They are, as far as I can tell, adhering to the method that actually works, i.e. long term financial gains. "Long term" is a word missing from the current corporate air. They don't struggle like blizz because they don't have vivendi/activision looming over their shoulders, so they can do things the way I'm sure blizz would like to go back to doing. It's that "long term" idea that has shown time and time again to be successful. If you don't rip off your customers, and treat them decently, they will return. People know when they're being ripped off. Valve constantly takes our money, like any good corporation should, but does it in ways that benefit us directly, like offering steep sales all the time, doing wish-list sales and the like. They support everything they make, they make sure the thriving communities they make (gmod, counter strike, team fortress, the thousands of havok and source mods) have all the tools that the devs themselves have, because there can only be good that comes from collaboration. Counter strike was a mod. Valve loved it so much they bought it, hired the developers, and continue to support it to this day, even working on a sequel.

I just can't speak highly enough of Valve. Their headquarters is 20 minutes away from my house, and I jokingly sent Gabe a christmas card in 2010. He mailed me back a handwritten thank you. Class act.

Anybody who had his entire source engine leaked to pirates early, and comes back with this kind of statement, has earned my respect:

Show nested quote +
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem," he said. "If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable."


This is how human nature works, and he's just told us how to make pirates redundant.


That xmas card made me giggle. I mean how awesome and down to earth is he?
While you are making the case that blizz is sorta programming with a collar around their neck, I can appreciate that they have their eyes on the pot of gold for their shareholders. But this is exactly what bankrupts successful companies, and if their parent company doesn't care about customer satisfaction, then I'm sry to say that Blizz will go down eventually. And hopefully another company with a better business plan will come around
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure. http://da.twitch.tv/sonic_eu
Joseph123
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria1144 Posts
February 04 2012 15:30 GMT
#440
I totally agree with the op. I was playing mass warcraft 3 and I'll point out the differences for me.
Chat channels were so much better in war3.. Whenever I'm done laddering in sc2, cause this is basically the only thing you can actually do in sc2 thanks to Greg Canessa, I just alt + f4. When I'm done playing war3 I can just chill in chat, look at profiles of other people, what they wrote on them, their stats, winrates, clans, etc. And after that there was the options of actually playing CUSTOM MAPS, something that simply doesn't exist in sc2. All custom maps are so terrible that I just wanna cry. Plus the custom map system is so retarded I don't even know how it works, only thing I know is that it makes playing customs impossible, thanks to Greg Canessa again.
As everyone has pointed out clan, lan, shared replay watching, terrible chat channels, super hard to block people while you are playing, etc etc.
Only thing I see as a solution is just to fire Greg Canessa and hire someone who can actually design stuff or just bring back war3 bnet and modify ( this can't be that hard, can it be? ). However, this won't be done, so sc2 will be used only for playing ladder and for nothing else. I just can't imagine how many people don't play sc2, because they wanna play something else like customs or just chill in normal chat channel like these in war3 , but since that isn't available they just don't play the game and play something else. This is just a total waste of opportunity to make something complete.
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