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sToFu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 06:47:31
May 25 2012 06:46 GMT
#1621
Why is everyone so surprised about Mvp's success and his off race capabilities? The reason Mvp makes the amazing reads that he does is because he is incredible at every race - he knows, instinctively, the limitations and timings which lets him make faster, better reads than other pros.

MC, on the other hand, seems to be more about brute force (though he is still among the more intelligent progamers), so I don't know how far the comparison of success and off race goes.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
May 25 2012 07:04 GMT
#1622
On May 25 2012 15:46 sToFu wrote:
Why is everyone so surprised about Mvp's success and his off race capabilities? The reason Mvp makes the amazing reads that he does is because he is incredible at every race - he knows, instinctively, the limitations and timings which lets him make faster, better reads than other pros.

MC, on the other hand, seems to be more about brute force (though he is still among the more intelligent progamers), so I don't know how far the comparison of success and off race goes.


Of course, MVP has a really good understanding of all 3 races. But it is still impressive that he can master the mechanics of all 3 races to a level where he can beat Code S level players. He is good ZvT and PvT which is more expected since he plays terran and knows all the timings. But being able to beat P using P and Z is even more impressive.
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
May 25 2012 07:15 GMT
#1623
On May 25 2012 15:46 sToFu wrote:
Why is everyone so surprised about Mvp's success and his off race capabilities? The reason Mvp makes the amazing reads that he does is because he is incredible at every race - he knows, instinctively, the limitations and timings which lets him make faster, better reads than other pros.

MC, on the other hand, seems to be more about brute force (though he is still among the more intelligent progamers), so I don't know how far the comparison of success and off race goes.


MC plays Terran off-race when he 2v2s for fun, so I take that he understands it fairly well, though he says he cheese alot when he plays.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 25 2012 07:25 GMT
#1624
On May 25 2012 16:15 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 15:46 sToFu wrote:
Why is everyone so surprised about Mvp's success and his off race capabilities? The reason Mvp makes the amazing reads that he does is because he is incredible at every race - he knows, instinctively, the limitations and timings which lets him make faster, better reads than other pros.

MC, on the other hand, seems to be more about brute force (though he is still among the more intelligent progamers), so I don't know how far the comparison of success and off race goes.


MC plays Terran off-race when he 2v2s for fun, so I take that he understands it fairly well, though he says he cheese alot when he plays.

and this is different from his protoss play style?
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InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
May 25 2012 07:42 GMT
#1625
On May 08 2012 06:38 InoyouS2 wrote:
You should PM the OP.

Also to anyone who is searching for the stream vids of Mvp:
http://www.own3d.tv/IncredibleMiracle#/watch/517585 - Last time Mvp streamed, lots of mistakes and seemingly a lot slower than usual.
http://www.own3d.tv/user/IMHirai#/watch/370637 - Terran
http://www.own3d.tv/user/IMHirai#/watch/370637 - Protoss/Terran/Zerg on ladder
http://www.own3d.tv/user/IMHirai#/watch/370720 - The comeback game (34 mins), + Mvp playing Zerg.

And for anyone who wanted to see NesTea as well:
http://www.own3d.tv/IncredibleMiracle#/watch/499685
http://www.own3d.tv/IncredibleMiracle#/watch/499736
http://www.own3d.tv/IncredibleMiracle#/watch/499790


- Incase anyone wanted to see some of Mvp's off-racing Zerg and Protoss, these are streams where he did so, most also have him interviewed by Hwani.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
May 25 2012 08:23 GMT
#1626
IMMVP could probably stay in Code S off-racing.
snozberry
Profile Joined May 2011
United States126 Posts
May 25 2012 09:49 GMT
#1627
mvp is some next level shit... remember watching the first person of major fighting his off race. major's no flash in the pan skill, but he couldn't even come close to beating mvp.. all his drops were shut down, mvp kept eating away at his base with mutas and then got the consecutive triple zergling flanks to shut him down..

mvp is brilliant
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 12:50:44
May 25 2012 12:47 GMT
#1628
MVP is so good that even Idra recognizes his skill.

And playing another race on ladder, even though it's much harder than your main race, helps you learn about the game much faster and how each race reacts to what timings etc.

I don't have a source or anything but I seem to recall an interview MVP had over 1 yr ago that he was originally going to play Protoss in Sc2 because of it's similarities to BW terran. Imagine if MVP played toss, there is a high chance that he would be one of the Protoss Hero that every brotoss is looking for right now.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 12:55:53
May 25 2012 12:55 GMT
#1629
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
May 25 2012 13:12 GMT
#1630
On May 25 2012 21:47 FidoDido wrote:
MVP is so good that even Idra recognizes his skill.

And playing another race on ladder, even though it's much harder than your main race, helps you learn about the game much faster and how each race reacts to what timings etc.

I don't have a source or anything but I seem to recall an interview MVP had over 1 yr ago that he was originally going to play Protoss in Sc2 because of it's similarities to BW terran. Imagine if MVP played toss, there is a high chance that he would be one of the Protoss Hero that every brotoss is looking for right now.


I doubt it. Protoss is fragile until late game.
xxgeffxx
Profile Joined September 2011
United States119 Posts
May 31 2012 08:17 GMT
#1631
ST Ace tonight!
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
May 31 2012 08:20 GMT
#1632
I'm so looking forward to Ace's interview tomorrow! I hope he has some big ceremonies planned for the handicap games with fans.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
May 31 2012 11:04 GMT
#1633
Ace is an interesting choice.
jobber123rd
Profile Joined December 2011
United States501 Posts
June 01 2012 01:24 GMT
#1634
Hahaha oh wow...


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Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
June 01 2012 01:42 GMT
#1635
hahaha watching MVP playing with one hand and decimating that diamond zerg was hilarious
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Lovedoll
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
June 01 2012 01:44 GMT
#1636
I haven't been watching Off the Record lately, but from the posts I've been reading about the past episodes I feel like I've really been missing out!
Spread your eggs until they crack!
Killerkrack
Profile Joined August 2010
664 Posts
June 01 2012 04:26 GMT
#1637
Been enjoying this episode, Ace is clearly a pretty fun guy (although that could be gathered from his many ceremonies).
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
June 01 2012 04:32 GMT
#1638
haha Artosis with the fail D3-comment :D
"Eyo lesson' here, Bey. You're comin' at the king, you best not miss."
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
June 01 2012 04:42 GMT
#1639
Ace thinks he's Jangbi
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
June 01 2012 04:53 GMT
#1640
Thank you for answering my question, Ace!
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