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Phrogs!
Japan521 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:14 Hot_Bid wrote: Hooray. I just hope there are a lot of people like you who are not posting. I'm the same, thanks for posting this news or I probably would have never found out what happened. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:16 ItchyLegs wrote: "just 1500" is a pretty stupid thing to say, especially considering how they raised the money. That's YOUR money. That's my money, that's Hot_Bid's money; it's the whole fking community's money. I am the biggest Stephano fanboy you will ever find. I study his VODs, I've seen every replay he has released and I have never missed him streaming. But this? This was fucking dumb. On the flip side, why the fuck would he care? He doesn't read TL, Millenium doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks outside of France (example: Complexity situation) and Stephano is still a fucking boss. He won a tournament earlier that day, he probably would've beaten Kas regardless of his condition, and he's still going to win everything he plays in this year. S Well I'm in the exact same position that you are, never miss any content that includes stephano, and my opinion is that he completely fucked up,but I still don't understand the purpose of this, it would have been so much better if they just took this and the other examples to make a post stating that we really need a mutual agreement between the different organisations about a set of rules for this kind of behavior that could be applied everywhere. | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:18 disciple wrote: Stephano as well as the two players mentioned are getting paid to entertain the spectators. Whether they see themselves in this position or not it doesn't matter as winning a Grand Slam tournament or 1,5k sc event would be equally irrelevant if no one wants to watch you play. On a side note, do you really believe Djokovic or Nadal thought about the money while playing each other? The fact that they're both extremely rich already might contribute to it not being foremost in their minds. | ||
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implosion
Germany10 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:14 Hot_Bid wrote: Hooray. I just hope there are a lot of people like you who are not posting. Well, with him and me - we're at least two  You're doing an amazing job! | ||
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lee365
United States448 Posts
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KenChan
54 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:24 lee365 wrote: Meh If Korean players can stay up till early in the morning to play all their games in foreign tournaments than Stephano should be able to as well. rofl brain dead User was warned for this post | ||
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shaaw
Spain97 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:21 Otolia wrote: I hope you also understands what it says about our community that this kind of subject is hosted on the same website as the excellent GSL/PL write-ups. Not to diminish the work of the newsers, but I think TL should focus more on its excellent writing staff and let the users post the news and moderating after. I really disagree with this. Do you believe that an ONOG tournament admin, or Stephano himself, or a French national making this thread would make for better news thread? Absolutely not, it'd be entirely biased and not include all relevant information. Considering the touchy nature of the subject, the multiple sources, and the responses, I think the OP is actually quite fair in its presentation of what happened. | ||
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dcsoda
United States583 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:20 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: Stephano forfeited tournament because it was THREE AM and he went to sleep he should say sorry for not being able to play 24/7 I guess. Was it okay to play 2 tournaments same time and forfeit one of them in finals? no. Was it fine to get penalty to be moved to 4th place? yes. Was it stupid for something like this to happen in first place? of course. Leave it at that and stop causing more drama over nothing, he got his "punishment" and thats enough, making this into big "Community news" is a joke. Instead of making meaningless posts like this you could do something productive and make post about Kas winning the tournament or make ANY post about ANYTHING that is positive and that isnt pointless and that doesnt cause more drama over...nothing. Making this story of the day or highlight of the day however you wanna call it is overdoing it, thread alone would be fine. So ignoring problems with tournaments/players would be a good thing? How will there every be any improvement so that stuff like this is avoided if no one cares? Guy forfeited the FINALS why is that not newsworthy? Kas won but not by playing who he should have, how is that not to be mentioned? It's not like the OP was inflammatory so what in that post is causing more drama that wouldn't have happened anyway? | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:24 lee365 wrote: Meh If Korean players can stay up till early in the morning to play all their games in foreign tournaments than Stephano should be able to as well. Do you think he decided to be too exhausted to play? And again I have to ask, do you think he'd have gone to bed if he was in any fit state to play, knowing that there was $1500 on the line against a player he has a superb record against? | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:24 lee365 wrote: Meh If Korean players can stay up till early in the morning to play all their games in foreign tournaments than Stephano should be able to as well. because if he doesn't.... IT WILL BE TOP NEWS ON TL! This link in the top left hand side, will probably be there for 3 days. Its that big a deal! Its up there with MLG dates, MLG player lists, guy joining new teams..... Stephano's tired and can't play..... alert the media! Release the hounds! | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
He knew it was possible that it might run that late and that he was going to get deep into this tournament. He's a kid. | ||
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:11 Otolia wrote: But that's not everything, when a professional tennis player decides to forfeit a match in a smaller tournament to preserve himself for a next one - bigger - like Tsonga often do for Rolland Garros, nobody is criticizing him for being insulting to the profession because every other person knows his body and mindset are his sole way to make money. If you don't see the problem in your opinion right now, I will just left you and the other paragons of virtue who are keen to lash the hounds onto everyone not deemed worthy of their supposed superiority that professional sport is a job which means it is about making money. When the rewards isn't worth the care, nobody will do the job ... to say the least. Dont forget that the players have a job only because there are people willing to watch them play. So it's their own interest to treat the audience well. The entire onog prizepool has been payed by fans from their own pocket and if you think offending the most hard core sc2 base will have no consequences you're making a strategic mistake. Stephano has been elevated to god status by almost everybody and people are sucking his d*** 24/24 so nobody should be surprised about the way he react but it doesnt serve his own interests. See, from his twitters messages "he doesnt even understand why people are mad", which is probably the truth. | ||
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Darkfrog
Austria211 Posts
But then again, in my opinion there is too much hate going in Stephano´s direction (just because the way his persona presents itself towards the community - I´m not saying he is arrogant in real-life, these are two different things), sigh I even hate reading and hearing about this kind of stuff, it simply should not have happened. edit for clarity: I disagree with his decision and fully support onog for their actions. | ||
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
for the caster phrase,i,who hardly ever get offended by anything,actually left the stream.not that it was a french joke,theres plenty of jokes about different nationalities in france and im quite fond of them. what really offended me was the way it was said.you could easily feel that the (bad btw)caster had just resentment,and instead of handling it like he should have,just let out a xenophobic comment,poorly hidden behind a *joke*. the real headline here is:xenophobic comment made in community funded event,and majority finds it cool. | ||
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mathsucks
194 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:27 dsousa wrote: because if he doesn't.... IT WILL BE TOP NEWS ON TL! This link in the top left hand side, will probably be there for 3 days. Its that big a deal! Its up there with MLG dates, MLG player lists, guy joining new teams..... Stephano's tired and can't play..... alert the media! Release the hounds! I jumped on my computer when the finals were scheduled to start and was disappointed. I heard nothing of the incident at the time. I'm glad I found some news about a "professional" player stiffing a community run tournament because of his personal, and avoidable, scheduling conflicts. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:27 dsousa wrote: because if he doesn't.... IT WILL BE TOP NEWS ON TL! This link in the top left hand side, will probably be there for 3 days. Its that big a deal! Its up there with MLG dates, MLG player lists, guy joining new teams..... Stephano's tired and can't play..... alert the media! Release the hounds! need to make sure all the tournament organizers know so that they won't invite him to future, invite-only tournaments. thanks tl.net for making this happen!! | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:27 dcsoda wrote: So ignoring problems with tournaments/players would be a good thing? How will there every be any improvement so that stuff like this is avoided if no one cares? Guy forfeited the FINALS why is that not newsworthy? Kas won but not by playing who he should have, how is that not to be mentioned? It's not like the OP was inflammatory so what in that post is causing more drama that wouldn't have happened anyway? Im not saying it should be ignored but making it story of the day is a joke, there are way too many other things that are wrong in SC2 community but hell if you want to start with forfeiting, why dont you start with teams forfeiting team leagues first and not individual players? | ||
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Purple Haze
United Kingdom200 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:28 eNtitY~ wrote: I don't understand people who are defending Stephano. What makes matters worse is the fact that this was a community ran tournament and they raise the money from hosting Barcrafts and this is a smack in the face to all the hard work they put in. He knew it was possible that it might run that late and that he was going to get deep into this tournament. He's a kid. It's not a matter of defending him as such, just taking into account that he messed the tournament around and has been penalised, and has accepted his penalty, as well as personally apologising to the tournament director. Obviously he thought he would be ok to play whatever time it was, in the end he wasn't, it's unfortunate, the tournament dealt with it and it's over, so rather than defending his actions it's more a matter of considering the witch hunt and personal abuse a bit much. | ||
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DR.Ham
Netherlands621 Posts
On January 31 2012 09:14 Hot_Bid wrote: Hooray. I just hope there are a lot of people like you who are not posting. Having a thread for this incident seems perfectly reasonable, and not having a TL made thread about Tyler also seems reasonable, but only because it was the first round of the tourney. I think the issue here is not of bias for team liquid players, but rather the appearance of bias. As teamliquid.net and the pro team are obviously connected, it almost requires that teamliquid.net is more critical of their pro team in order not to appear biased towards them. I think this is just a downside of having the dual function of news site and pro team. | ||
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