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On January 31 2012 07:50 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:49 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:41 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:37 Legio wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:27 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:23 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:23 Tobberoth wrote:
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Rick Perry gave up and gets nothing. In the same manner, it makes perfect sense that if you forfeit a tournament, you forfeit it and get nothing. Gets nothing is not the same as "loses what he earned". Of course he loses what he earned since he didn't play the finals, so he didn't earn it, he forfeited. It's like writing a report for school and demand some of the points because you wrote a few pages before you gave up. He didn't play through to the end, I see no reason for the tournament to respect his earlier wins when he can't respect that they want a proper final. But Rick Perry did not lose anything that he earned. So why can't you boot him out of Texas? Because he didn't earn anything as part of the Republican nomination? Your analogy is horrible. So why are you guys such bad manner to Stephano? You guys are asking him to be burned at the stake and be labeled as unprofessional for his whole career? Is that justified? Stephano is the very definition of unprofessional in Esports. He lied to his team and to Col to get a raise from both teams. He isn't investing in Starcraft, instead he is going to quit playing this year to go back to school. He forfeits a finals despite the organizers hard work of putting the event together. Tell me now, is there anyone on the scene that is less professional than this? It's would have been more unprofessional to lose the match and die of exhaustion at his keyboard. Is that what you want? Or would you rather him not play in one of his tournaments? Or would you rather him try in both tournaments to get as high as you can!!! Last option please! People are now suggesting that stephano was on the brink of dying from exhaustion from playing starcraft past his bedtime. rofl How long do you think the human body can sustain itself without sleep? I'll tell you if you're right.
long long time. trust me i know.
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On January 31 2012 07:51 Darkhoarse wrote:
Honestly I feel bad for Stephano, because he was technically voted in to this tourney by the fans but in the end, he accepted the invite and overbooked himself to play SC2 that day. Really, he should have made sure he could fit it all in his schedule first and I don't really like the ultimatum he gave to the tourney as if they need to work around his schedule. Either way, I don't see the need to move him to fourth. It doesnt matter too much to Stephano but still it makes him look inconsiderate.
...ok even if it was because he was voted in, he could still decline; and it was his second tourney of the day and he sure didnt cancel that one...
I mean its arguable that Stephano could drop out if he wanted which seems rather boner-killerish, but even given that I don't think that dropping him a few places is ok and if it makes him look inconsiderate... well probs a reason for that
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I think if he wanted to bow out he should've done so in a more graceful manner (i.e. not signing off immediately after). Anyway he did what he did and I think the punishment laid out was appropriate. It's time to move on...
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On January 31 2012 07:49 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:47 zomgE wrote:
I love when people are talking about legitimizing esports and in the same breath going "lol he was tierd from playing a vidiogame?? he doesn't know what true tired is!". Hahha. (Saw it alot in the LR or some other thread)
And so much drama when the player in question doesn't even give too much of a shit. I'd say it's the exact opposite. If ESPORTs is supposed to be a legit sport, athletes of it are supposed to be professional, it's a job to them. You don't go home from work because you're tired, why should you quit a tournament because of it?
If you understood it like that i guess it's ok. My point still stands that ppl are undermining the difficulty of something which they want to be taken more seriously.
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On January 31 2012 07:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:51 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 31 2012 07:50 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:49 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:41 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:37 Legio wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:27 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Tobberoth wrote:
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Of course he loses what he earned since he didn't play the finals, so he didn't earn it, he forfeited. It's like writing a report for school and demand some of the points because you wrote a few pages before you gave up.
He didn't play through to the end, I see no reason for the tournament to respect his earlier wins when he can't respect that they want a proper final. But Rick Perry did not lose anything that he earned. So why can't you boot him out of Texas? Because he didn't earn anything as part of the Republican nomination? Your analogy is horrible. So why are you guys such bad manner to Stephano? You guys are asking him to be burned at the stake and be labeled as unprofessional for his whole career? Is that justified? Stephano is the very definition of unprofessional in Esports. He lied to his team and to Col to get a raise from both teams. He isn't investing in Starcraft, instead he is going to quit playing this year to go back to school. He forfeits a finals despite the organizers hard work of putting the event together. Tell me now, is there anyone on the scene that is less professional than this? It's would have been more unprofessional to lose the match and die of exhaustion at his keyboard. Is that what you want? Or would you rather him not play in one of his tournaments? Or would you rather him try in both tournaments to get as high as you can!!! Last option please! People are now suggesting that stephano was on the brink of dying from exhaustion from playing starcraft past his bedtime. rofl How long do you think the human body can sustain itself without sleep? I'll tell you if you're right. people can go days without sleep. Doesn't mean you're fit or capable of doing anything that requires concentration just because you're not literaly unconscious. Unless you feel so lowly of sc2 that you can perform well under sleep deprivation.
wtf. he asked how long you can go without sleep. i answered. i didn't say that he would perform well without sleep (which would be a ridiculous assertion).
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On January 31 2012 07:54 getSome[703] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:50 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:49 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:41 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:37 Legio wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:27 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:23 Zairair wrote:
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Gets nothing is not the same as "loses what he earned". Of course he loses what he earned since he didn't play the finals, so he didn't earn it, he forfeited. It's like writing a report for school and demand some of the points because you wrote a few pages before you gave up. He didn't play through to the end, I see no reason for the tournament to respect his earlier wins when he can't respect that they want a proper final. But Rick Perry did not lose anything that he earned. So why can't you boot him out of Texas? Because he didn't earn anything as part of the Republican nomination? Your analogy is horrible. So why are you guys such bad manner to Stephano? You guys are asking him to be burned at the stake and be labeled as unprofessional for his whole career? Is that justified? Stephano is the very definition of unprofessional in Esports. He lied to his team and to Col to get a raise from both teams. He isn't investing in Starcraft, instead he is going to quit playing this year to go back to school. He forfeits a finals despite the organizers hard work of putting the event together. Tell me now, is there anyone on the scene that is less professional than this? It's would have been more unprofessional to lose the match and die of exhaustion at his keyboard. Is that what you want? Or would you rather him not play in one of his tournaments? Or would you rather him try in both tournaments to get as high as you can!!! Last option please! People are now suggesting that stephano was on the brink of dying from exhaustion from playing starcraft past his bedtime. rofl How long do you think the human body can sustain itself without sleep? I'll tell you if you're right. For longer than 24 hours. Which is much more than stephano would have been awake for assuming he had woken up at a reasonable time. And if he woke up at 1 in the morning the day before two tournaments that would likely go well into the night, it's his fault. Am I right?
Yea you're right. But he death the likelihood of death increases as a function of sleep deprivation. So he still could have died or passed out. And we don't know how long he's stayed up training and his regular sleep schedule.
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ONOG dealt with this perfectly.
I do not give a flying rats fuck what Stephano does. It is his business if he wants to bail. He can do what he wants. Bit of a dick move to ONOG, but still. I dont hate him for it.
But to anyone who jumped all over Naniwa for his probe rush (in a game that doesnt even matter):
You sure as shit better not be supporting Stephano right now or you are a 2-faced hypocrite and should go fuck yourself.
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hes an amazing player who does wonderfully, so what if he forfeited, hes a player its in his rights, he has the right to do what he wants. Would u prefer he do something like drone rush? Because when u get tired u have to go and sleep end of story.
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On January 31 2012 07:36 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:31 Squeegy wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 keioh wrote:On January 31 2012 07:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 31 2012 07:18 s4life wrote:On January 31 2012 07:16 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 31 2012 07:15 s4life wrote:On January 31 2012 07:07 Itsmedudeman wrote:On January 31 2012 06:19 s4life wrote:On January 31 2012 06:03 nicknup wrote:
Tennis players forfeit games in tournaments they have commited to participate due to injuries and beeing tired and no one bash then. Sure, things out of control are pretty reasonable excuses not to play -- like a pulled muscle f.e. -- but come on, Stephano accepted the invitation and knew perfectly well what he was getting into, he should have planned for it.. on top of that made wait for him an hour or so.. that's just him being completely unprofessional. No, you can forfeit if you're exhausted and can't continue. Same thing as stephano. Of course you can, but in that case you absolutely pay a price for it. A professional tennis player getting exhausted and forfeiting because of it is a huge deal, it means the player is pretty irresponsible with his training, preparation and on top of that show lack of temperance. He won't get any invites anytime soon. No, actually, no one bitches about it. They point out that they have to work at their conditioning, but no one is gonna walk up to them and tell them they're unprofessional and should be punished. Actually, yes, tired players who quit because of it absolutely lose the respect of their peers, fans and organizers.. that's how it works in any sport. Djokovic retired from a major a few years back due to exhaustion. I don't ever remember a single article or thread written about how he's unprofessional and that he should be punished. Yeah. Actually I really wonder how many TLers do or did a sport at a really high level, be it eSports or real sports, seeing how the well-being of the player is often completeley disregarded under the "HE OWES US THE SPECTACLE. HE MUST PLAY UNTIL HE DIES BY CARPAL TUNNEL. IT PLEASES US". This situation has already been discussed in a blog and I feel the overall agreement was "Stephano has more than the right to forfeit. He handled this a bit roughly. He could have anticipated that he'd make finals in both tournaments. ONOG took the best decision for the viewers, but not for the players, as Stephano won the 2nd place's prize. And 80% of the posters like drama more than reflexion" Of course he has the right to forfeit. Nobody denies that. But people also have the right to get upset. Don't deny that. There is no such thing a right to forfeit. But this has been discussed to bits already.
You are probably correct that right is not the word for what I mean. I mean something like it is up to him to decide whether he wants to play or not. But that much is obvious I suppose.
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...seriously most of the professionals are in a way kids ( yes you re somewhat an adult when you re 18-20, but not really ). And even if they play very pro sc2 they're still humans and want to continue a life ( with exceptions ). It's sad for the host of the tournament, even more though if they put a lot of work into raising the money.
A solution has been found, stephano did not complain and games were played? what s the big deal
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Good decision by ONOG.
Really unprofessional by Stephano, but it shouldnt be too surprising with this kid.
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3am..... oh noes he is going to die from exhaustion.......
Stephano, y u no respect anybody?
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People can say either way in regards to the decision etc but in ANY other sport (god I hate myself for bringing up sports) a forfeit wouldn't rob him of two positions, take tennis for example in the recent AU open someone in the ro8 had to forfeit for their health (they had a possible injury and were losing at the time so decided to call it a day). Is what stephano did any worse and would stephano have logged straight off if he knew he was going to have his hard earnt 1/2nd place ripped off him? I don't know but frankly a situation like this shouldn't happen.
The only losers here were the people who watched the tournament, delaying the finals 24 hours or a week or whatever would've given us a great bo7 between Europes top two players. I don't think the rash decision of the show must go on lets shaft our players and give Stephano a random 4th place was a good decision and frankly for any respectability in regards to the tourney they shouldve just delayed the finals if anything a few days of hype may have given them an even bigger audience, 1k showmatch between 2 of the best players in the West? I'll take one please!
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On January 31 2012 07:56 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:54 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:50 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:49 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:41 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:37 Legio wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:27 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Tobberoth wrote:
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Of course he loses what he earned since he didn't play the finals, so he didn't earn it, he forfeited. It's like writing a report for school and demand some of the points because you wrote a few pages before you gave up.
He didn't play through to the end, I see no reason for the tournament to respect his earlier wins when he can't respect that they want a proper final. But Rick Perry did not lose anything that he earned. So why can't you boot him out of Texas? Because he didn't earn anything as part of the Republican nomination? Your analogy is horrible. So why are you guys such bad manner to Stephano? You guys are asking him to be burned at the stake and be labeled as unprofessional for his whole career? Is that justified? Stephano is the very definition of unprofessional in Esports. He lied to his team and to Col to get a raise from both teams. He isn't investing in Starcraft, instead he is going to quit playing this year to go back to school. He forfeits a finals despite the organizers hard work of putting the event together. Tell me now, is there anyone on the scene that is less professional than this? It's would have been more unprofessional to lose the match and die of exhaustion at his keyboard. Is that what you want? Or would you rather him not play in one of his tournaments? Or would you rather him try in both tournaments to get as high as you can!!! Last option please! People are now suggesting that stephano was on the brink of dying from exhaustion from playing starcraft past his bedtime. rofl How long do you think the human body can sustain itself without sleep? I'll tell you if you're right. For longer than 24 hours. Which is much more than stephano would have been awake for assuming he had woken up at a reasonable time. And if he woke up at 1 in the morning the day before two tournaments that would likely go well into the night, it's his fault. Am I right? Yea you're right. But he death the likelihood of death increases as a function of sleep deprivation.
Thanks for clearing that up. Phew, I'm so glad stephano went to sleep instead of risking death. Onog wtf? Stephano COULD HAVE DIED, why you forfeit him?
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On January 31 2012 07:56 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:54 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:50 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:49 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:41 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:37 Legio wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:27 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Tobberoth wrote:
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Of course he loses what he earned since he didn't play the finals, so he didn't earn it, he forfeited. It's like writing a report for school and demand some of the points because you wrote a few pages before you gave up.
He didn't play through to the end, I see no reason for the tournament to respect his earlier wins when he can't respect that they want a proper final. But Rick Perry did not lose anything that he earned. So why can't you boot him out of Texas? Because he didn't earn anything as part of the Republican nomination? Your analogy is horrible. So why are you guys such bad manner to Stephano? You guys are asking him to be burned at the stake and be labeled as unprofessional for his whole career? Is that justified? Stephano is the very definition of unprofessional in Esports. He lied to his team and to Col to get a raise from both teams. He isn't investing in Starcraft, instead he is going to quit playing this year to go back to school. He forfeits a finals despite the organizers hard work of putting the event together. Tell me now, is there anyone on the scene that is less professional than this? It's would have been more unprofessional to lose the match and die of exhaustion at his keyboard. Is that what you want? Or would you rather him not play in one of his tournaments? Or would you rather him try in both tournaments to get as high as you can!!! Last option please! People are now suggesting that stephano was on the brink of dying from exhaustion from playing starcraft past his bedtime. rofl How long do you think the human body can sustain itself without sleep? I'll tell you if you're right. For longer than 24 hours. Which is much more than stephano would have been awake for assuming he had woken up at a reasonable time. And if he woke up at 1 in the morning the day before two tournaments that would likely go well into the night, it's his fault. Am I right? Yea you're right. But he death the likelihood of death increases as a function of sleep deprivation. So he still could have died or passed out.
you are really stretching the bounds of imagination. stephano wasnt going to die or pass out if he played the finals.... rofl
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On January 31 2012 07:56 Zairair wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:54 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:50 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:49 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:41 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:37 Legio wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:27 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Tobberoth wrote:
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Of course he loses what he earned since he didn't play the finals, so he didn't earn it, he forfeited. It's like writing a report for school and demand some of the points because you wrote a few pages before you gave up.
He didn't play through to the end, I see no reason for the tournament to respect his earlier wins when he can't respect that they want a proper final. But Rick Perry did not lose anything that he earned. So why can't you boot him out of Texas? Because he didn't earn anything as part of the Republican nomination? Your analogy is horrible. So why are you guys such bad manner to Stephano? You guys are asking him to be burned at the stake and be labeled as unprofessional for his whole career? Is that justified? Stephano is the very definition of unprofessional in Esports. He lied to his team and to Col to get a raise from both teams. He isn't investing in Starcraft, instead he is going to quit playing this year to go back to school. He forfeits a finals despite the organizers hard work of putting the event together. Tell me now, is there anyone on the scene that is less professional than this? It's would have been more unprofessional to lose the match and die of exhaustion at his keyboard. Is that what you want? Or would you rather him not play in one of his tournaments? Or would you rather him try in both tournaments to get as high as you can!!! Last option please! People are now suggesting that stephano was on the brink of dying from exhaustion from playing starcraft past his bedtime. rofl How long do you think the human body can sustain itself without sleep? I'll tell you if you're right. For longer than 24 hours. Which is much more than stephano would have been awake for assuming he had woken up at a reasonable time. And if he woke up at 1 in the morning the day before two tournaments that would likely go well into the night, it's his fault. Am I right? Yea you're right. But he death the likelihood of death increases as a function of sleep deprivation. So he still could have died or passed out.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Do you really think Stephano would have died if he didn't forfeit?
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On January 31 2012 07:55 JohnMatrix wrote:
stephano is ok with the consequence of his forfeit and reclaim nothing at this point. so what is the big deal now ?
hes blamed because hes too well known ?
Basically
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On January 31 2012 07:58 Linwelin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 07:56 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:54 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:50 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:49 getSome[703] wrote:On January 31 2012 07:41 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:37 Legio wrote:On January 31 2012 07:29 Zairair wrote:On January 31 2012 07:27 Tobberoth wrote:On January 31 2012 07:26 Zairair wrote:
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But Rick Perry did not lose anything that he earned. So why can't you boot him out of Texas? Because he didn't earn anything as part of the Republican nomination? Your analogy is horrible. So why are you guys such bad manner to Stephano? You guys are asking him to be burned at the stake and be labeled as unprofessional for his whole career? Is that justified? Stephano is the very definition of unprofessional in Esports. He lied to his team and to Col to get a raise from both teams. He isn't investing in Starcraft, instead he is going to quit playing this year to go back to school. He forfeits a finals despite the organizers hard work of putting the event together. Tell me now, is there anyone on the scene that is less professional than this? It's would have been more unprofessional to lose the match and die of exhaustion at his keyboard. Is that what you want? Or would you rather him not play in one of his tournaments? Or would you rather him try in both tournaments to get as high as you can!!! Last option please! People are now suggesting that stephano was on the brink of dying from exhaustion from playing starcraft past his bedtime. rofl How long do you think the human body can sustain itself without sleep? I'll tell you if you're right. For longer than 24 hours. Which is much more than stephano would have been awake for assuming he had woken up at a reasonable time. And if he woke up at 1 in the morning the day before two tournaments that would likely go well into the night, it's his fault. Am I right? Yea you're right. But he death the likelihood of death increases as a function of sleep deprivation. So he still could have died or passed out. Stop embarrassing yourself. Do you really think Stephano would have died if he didn't forfeit?
How much do you practice? How much does he practice? I really think that he could've. Some people take gaming to the extreme. Not embarassing anyone.
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Where is the news about LiquidTyler who did the same thing as stephano ?
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wow
this guys is really unprofessional . Didnt he sign a contract and then ran away from it at one point?
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