Most of these players are leaving, citing their unhappiness with the practice environment. Coach Lee has made issues out of PuMa leaving, and now this.
aLive is claiming that it was informal when he was speaking to Fnatic, and he's also claiming there was a similar, informal sort of agreement going on regarding him being able to leave TSL. If this is true, it sounds like those discussions all took place before TSL started exploding, and honestly, in my mind this all points to Coach Lee being in some way difficult to work with, and pushing the players away. In particular, the fact aLive claims he understood his situation differently, has me wondering if this is all kicking off because of the fact TSL are losing their last Code S player, and Coach Lee is scrambling desperately to save face in the eyes of his superiors by trying to retain players he's alienated...
I don't know anything for sure, but knowing how hardcore some coaches can be, seeing the trends, and seeing aLive's statements...well, honestly I'm more wont to side with him than TSL.
After that, Coach Lee said he wanted to talk to me. He had printed out my conversation with the Fnatic manager. That skype conversation was logged on my computer, and I’m curious as to how he got access to it.
This right here added to my established stance that Coach Lee is a creepy weirdo.
This should be settled in the court of law, and not in the court of public opinion.
if you don't like public opinions, then keeps yours to yourself while we have ours on teamliquid. ok?
There is no need to get flamy. I never said I don't like public opinion; not that anyone can like or dislike "public opinion" as whole given the broad range of its nature.
As a contribution to the thread, let me add that these allegations are only based on aLive's words. I'd warn against believing everything someone says without a grain of salt.
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If true, Coach Lee's behaviour appears to be illegal under Korean law (having read posts above). Has aLive taken legal actions? If not, why not?
On January 19 2012 07:26 plogamer wrote: If true, Coach Lee's behaviour appears to be illegal under Korean law (having read posts above). Has aLive taken legal actions? If not, why not?
Worst comes to worst, just as Coach Lee said in his article, I am thinking about taking this to the law. But if possible, I want to end this on as much of a good note as possible. Unfortunately the situation has already worsened so much. I just want to pay the penalty fee and get it over with.
He did state that if necessary he will. He just hasn't yet, I believe he's trusting a mutual agreement can be found before legal action (and costs) is made the only possible route.
A player has the right to negotiate with other teams before the expiration of their current contract so long as they don't breach the terms of their contract.
He didn't sign with Fnatic before his contract expired, he did nothing wrong.
Seems the whole situation has been blown out of proportion (once again) by Coach Lee. He's a bit of a drama queen.
On January 19 2012 07:34 Tektos wrote: A player has the right to negotiate with other teams before the expiration of their current contract so long as they don't breach the terms of their contract.
He didn't sign with Fnatic before his contract expired, he did nothing wrong.
Seems the whole situation has been blown out of proportion (once again) by Coach Lee. He's a bit of a drama queen.
The question is, is that the case in korea, and did his contract forbid it? I would imagine its possible both of those things could impact on whether it truly was lawful to approach him. This sort of thing is big in UK football for example, where players are contracted and due to various factors, clubs have all sorts of problems transferring players.
On January 19 2012 01:24 pStar wrote: Coach Lee got a skype convo off his computer.
He could get in huge trouble for that. Like, court trouble.
probaly not, because the computers probaly in the gaming house, it's the same as employer's rights to see what their employees been doing on their PC, that's of course if the contracts allow it.
On January 19 2012 01:24 pStar wrote: Coach Lee got a skype convo off his computer.
He could get in huge trouble for that. Like, court trouble.
probaly not, because the computers probaly in the gaming house, it's the same as employer's rights to see what their employees been doing on their PC, that's of course if the contracts allow it.
The law probably has no call to legislate it, but if a player living in a team house is genuinely subject to such legal methods of monitoring them during both their private and professional time, I would say that having a strong trust between employer and employee would be staggeringly crucial to avoiding longterm problems cropping up regarding invasion of privacy, be it percieved or actual.
You can't go through coaches without at least gauging interest from a player, it wouldn't make sense. Poaching team "Hey Coach, I want to have X player on my team" Coach of player"Is he interested in changing teams?" Poaching team "Dunno."
Okay so the team is dumping players left and right and has lost most of its talent and Alive is only staying on in a physical form. He's not working with the team at all any longer and was already offered an out.
Now, he wants to breach his contract and pay the fee to get off the dead-end team, which is fine.
This is such a mess, I hope Alive is able to continue competing at a high level; he is definitely a talented player who generally goes under the radar. Coach Lee looking through private conversation is o:
On January 19 2012 07:36 GoBackToGo wrote: lol at coach lee printing out private conversations of one of his players. no wonder everyone wants to leave TSL
well picture yourself, losing your most valueable player. hes most likely very angry and disappointed right now :-/
Basically, TSL started off as the first major SCII team, with the first paid salaries in Korea. Then their players got lazy and decided to take free money and stop trying so hard in SCII. Then players started to leave because they found more money elsewhere. Basically, it doesn't matter how awesome TSL might be, as long as Korean players continue being selfish and childish, TSL's name will be hurt, and the players who actually want to progress as big name progamers will have a tainted tag by their name (despite their own personal feelings towards the team).
Another unfortunate accident upon the TSL team, and Lee of course is selfish and wants to show the world how everything keeps fucking with him and his team through inappropriate channels. Fnatic ofc with another mistep, showing their lack of professionalism.
Nothing really new here, just old habits being refreshed. I don't want to wish aLive good luck, because he's a kid who does things without thinking, and only for selfish means. Not going to say good luck to Fnatic either, just because I no longer care too much about their orga. I am going to say good luck to Lee, HyuN, Polt, and RevivaL, because they work hard for a better SCII. I also look to them to make the right decisions, as they are the only rolemodels the younger TSL people have (Symbol, Cyrano, and the B-Teamers).
On January 19 2012 07:36 GoBackToGo wrote: lol at coach lee printing out private conversations of one of his players. no wonder everyone wants to leave TSL
well picture yourself, losing your most valueable player. hes most likely very angry and disappointed right now :-/
No doubt, but the issue isn't whether his reaction is understandable, its whether its legal or not.
And even leaving that aside, at the end of the day, if he is, as people seem to suspect, directly responsible for the somewhat less-than-happy exits of so many players, does he deserve our sympathy for being in a poor situation? At the end of the day, his leadership is either good enough to keep a team together and keep it playing at a high standard, or it isn't.
If it isn't, he has to face the music and perhaps accept that his way of doing things isn't the best way, or even a good way, and that he accepted responsibility for the team early on, whether they win OR lose, or indeed lose players.
On January 19 2012 07:36 GoBackToGo wrote: lol at coach lee printing out private conversations of one of his players. no wonder everyone wants to leave TSL
seriously it's starting to seem like he is the problem with TSL...
This sucks :/ aLive is one of my favorite players, and TSL is one of my favorite teams. I hope this all gets resolved soon, and aLive gets put on a good team. He deserves it!
On January 19 2012 04:34 alhazrel wrote: 'hey coach, we'd like to talk to alive about signing him when his contract ends with you, do you mind?' 'you want to sign him after his contract ends, so we don't make any money from the transfer despite having invested financially in his training and having our sponsorships resting on an ever weakening roster - no, i don't think so'
'hey alive, your contract ends in july, where you gonna live bro? either sign a new one with us or move out and good luck making a living' 'oh maaan, but then I won't have any income and I don't know if anyone else even wants me - I don't like this team particularly but I do like to eat' 'so are you going to sign on? obviously if an offer comes in for you we'll pass it on - we aren't going to force you to stay hahaha' 'oh sure then, I'll sign on with you for another year'
'oh he signed on for another year with them - must want to stay.. well we won't try to prise him away then'
'hey fnatic bro's, you can have him if you want but it'll cost you muchos won' 'sorry, now we have to pay you a fee in addition to the wages alive wants it isn't a worthwhile investment for us'
Sir, I wouldn't want to call what you posted as made up BS, but I would ask how you come about such a conclusion of facts?
Call it what you like. This is just a hypothetical example of the kind of situation that can be created when one team asks another to act in a way that would lose them an opportunity to profit.
i dont like how the situation is handled for the player. its like the teams would decide where he plays, but aside from the contract its alives choice. To say Fnatic did something wrong because they made a good offer to alive is just wierd.
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