Although aLive is also partly in the wrong here, if 10+ players have left the team in similar ways there has to be something wrong with how TSL is runned.

gregnog

United States289 Posts

January 18 2012 20:04 GMT

#222

The Korean scene is far too emotional. This is their job. This is not an after school club or a simple passtime.

When they have a better offer, they need to take it. Just because Coach Lee thinks hugs and smiles can lock in talent for life dose not mean Alive did anything wrong.

If he pays the fee, that is the end of the controversy.

Instead of trying to drag former teammates down like Coach Lee loves to do, he should try to better his own organisation.

ReboundEU

508 Posts

January 18 2012 20:07 GMT

#223

nobody can desagree that aLive had a huge role in this...but printing out private conversations? that left me speachless seriously. What does he do..print out conversations between players and their gf's also? intimecy is something higly priced werever u go. If u do that stuff without the acceptance of the other person...i fear that this incident would pay the penalty fee easy.

Also..i see he desperatly wants to get out of TSL...he is willing to make anything possible..even paying TSL out of his own money just to get rid of them... waw...that's another big thing.

Frankon

3054 Posts

January 18 2012 20:09 GMT

#224

All i see is fanatic probing if the player was interested in switching teams and what kind of pay would he expect.

I fail to understand why they should go first through the coach. Imagine fanatic manager talking to coach Lee "Hey. We want one of your players Alive. We don't know if he is willing to play for us and for how much but let us buy his contract..."

To be honest i don't see anything wrong here. First you contact the player if he is willing to play for you and for how much, then you contact his team if they are willing to part with that player. Standard business.

enzym

Germany1034 Posts

January 18 2012 20:17 GMT

#225

On January 19 2012 04:59 Logros wrote:
Although aLive is also partly in the wrong here, if 10+ players have left the team in similar ways there has to be something wrong with how TSL is runned.

One of the possible explanations is that this problem lies with idea of morale, or the spirit of the team.
The other, of course, the one to which you were likely referring, is that there's something tangible wrong with the team, as a result of involved parties behaving in suboptimal ways, aka making mistakes, or lacking aligned goals.

Zeroxk

Norway1244 Posts

January 18 2012 20:18 GMT

#226

On January 19 2012 05:09 Frankon wrote:
All i see is fanatic probing if the player was interested in switching teams and what kind of pay would he expect.

Uh, because that is actually poaching

Asheshino

Colombia37 Posts

January 18 2012 20:18 GMT

#227

I wonder if the players knew that Coach Lee check their skypes conversations and if they did not know, i wonder how they feel now. O_o

This could get worse for TSL.

Ghrimnar

Germany260 Posts

January 18 2012 20:19 GMT

#228

Ridiculous that people try to defend one of the parties involved. They all have done mistakes, thats pretty obvious. I think aLive did the biggest shit, followed by Lee, followed by fnatic. Stupidity in da house, to be honest. You cant break contracts. You cant logg chats. And you also cant make people break contacts. Its sad to see they immature things happen in sc2. Hurts the community as a whole. Shut up @all people involved now and get your shit together and tell us when its done.

Full.tilt

United Kingdom1709 Posts

January 18 2012 20:20 GMT

#229

dbl post

Full.tilt

United Kingdom1709 Posts

January 18 2012 20:22 GMT

#230

On January 19 2012 04:07 ppshchik wrote:
Don't you have to find a new job and get accepted before you quit your current job? What is wrong with what Alive is doing?

Yes it happens but also don't be surprised your current employer is pissed off because he hasn't had time to look to replace you whilst you have been looking.

Also an employee should officially give notice before he leaves, just like an employer should give the employee advanced notice that he is going to lose his job.

Pessle

United Kingdom37 Posts

January 18 2012 20:22 GMT

#231

So TSL monitor their players computers? Interesting. Sounds like nobody wants to talk contracts with coach Lee.

Krogan

Sweden375 Posts

January 18 2012 20:33 GMT

#232

I don't think Alive has done anything wrong in this situation, its pretty clear that Lee runs his team as a dictator and if I was Alive it sue him for going into my personal conversations like that. The evdience is pretty clear as to why all the good players leave TSL imo.

plogamer

Canada3132 Posts

January 18 2012 20:39 GMT

#233

On January 19 2012 01:33 itiswhatitis wrote:

Show nested quote +

This right here added to my established stance that Coach Lee is a creepy weirdo.

This should be settled in the court of law, and not in the court of public opinion.

aristarchus

United States652 Posts

January 18 2012 20:46 GMT

#234

This expectation that players aren't allowed to talk to other teams on their own seems really harmful to me. Players should be able to ask around and see what the best deal they could get is. That's how we make sure players are fairly compensated. They shouldn't actually be able to leave without the permission of their current team (or paying whatever penalty was agreed to in the contract, etc.), but they should always be able to have those conversations and see what's best for them. To not let them do that is essentially to have the team owners acting together as a monopoly to push the player wages down.

lrofd

United States187 Posts

January 18 2012 20:48 GMT

#235

On January 19 2012 05:39 plogamer wrote:

Show nested quote +

This should be settled in the court of law, and not in the court of public opinion.

if you don't like public opinions, then keeps yours to yourself while we have ours on teamliquid. ok?

Playboy.

40 Posts

January 18 2012 20:50 GMT

#236

Alive said he planned to pay for breaking the contract fee and he would talk to coach Lee about it. It's that simple and plain. Open, shut case right there. Coach Lee seem to blame Fnatic out of spite. Seriously if there are a bunch of players who dislike and they decide to leave. Then it isn't call poaching whatever team they decide to go to next.

Moosy

Canada396 Posts

January 18 2012 20:54 GMT

#237

Alive is the future of terran. I hope this isn't too big a setback.

Dreamgzer

United States17 Posts

January 18 2012 20:57 GMT

#238

Coach Lee treats his players like slaves...checking their skype conversations? He thinks he OWNS them, no wonder they are leaving. I don't mind, as long as the players themselves remain in the starcraft secene(Alive, jyp, etc.)

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Treadmill

Canada2833 Posts

January 18 2012 21:00 GMT

#239

I'm just getting more and more convinced that the TSL coach is a scumbag. Especially the whole 'reading my players skype log' thing. After pretty much the entire team leaving, too. Polt is on the team but he's not actually in the training house, correct? I wonder if Hyun has the same situation.

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Angelbelow

United States3728 Posts

January 18 2012 21:05 GMT

#240

Coach Lee... we now have proof to question his management.

I dont think Alive is too much at fault here.. he as already planning on leaving TSL and had already spoken to Lee about the matter. Supposedly there was an understanding between the 2 and Coach Lee even offered Alive the chance to leave. His mistake was staying in that environment.

So coach Lee snooping around on Alive's computer finds out that hes been talking to fnatic and snaps even though Alive is not physically with the team and was given a chance to leave and wanted to stay then going public with false information (again).. its no wonder TSL has issues.

Alive also stated what everyone's been thinking, TSL has a bad image, even to their own players.

I'm a little shocked that people continue to support TSL and feel sorry for that given the history of the team. I guess the loyalty is commendable but you guys will eventually get tired from all the apparent "bad luck" they're receiving and realize that team is just a ship wreck.