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Discussing the controversy and stating your opinions in a constructive way is fine, but there will be bans for any player/organization bashing without anything to substantiate it.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 18 2012 08:28 GMT
#441
On January 18 2012 17:26 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:23 FidoDido wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:14 jellyjello wrote:
TSL could really benefit from having a team director much like the role of Jessica in Slayers. Shame on Fnatic as well. I'm going to root really hard for TSL in GSTL.


This is exactly what TSL needs! Someone who is willing to defend their players/team to the death (not literally) and will call out any party involved as well as involving a huge legal team.


LOL, no not that kind of director. Seems to me that TSL needs someone who can oversea their operations, have plans and vision, and can take the team to the next level. Obviously, this is not one of Coach Lee's forte.


i doubt he had this problem coaching MBC.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
January 18 2012 08:30 GMT
#442
On January 18 2012 17:26 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:23 FidoDido wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:14 jellyjello wrote:
TSL could really benefit from having a team director much like the role of Jessica in Slayers. Shame on Fnatic as well. I'm going to root really hard for TSL in GSTL.


This is exactly what TSL needs! Someone who is willing to defend their players/team to the death (not literally) and will call out any party involved as well as involving a huge legal team.


LOL, no not that kind of director. Seems to me that TSL needs someone who can oversea their operations, have plans and vision, and can take the team to the next level. Obviously, this is not one of Coach Lee's forte.

I think there needs to be a lot more translators to help with some of these communication errors and so that teams don't have to rely on their competitors translators.
eating corn while thinking about eating more corn
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
January 18 2012 08:31 GMT
#443
I bet if his players would have girlfriends he would make an article about them wanting to steal the players
U MAD BRO?
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 18 2012 08:31 GMT
#444
On January 18 2012 17:28 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:26 jellyjello wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:23 FidoDido wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:14 jellyjello wrote:
TSL could really benefit from having a team director much like the role of Jessica in Slayers. Shame on Fnatic as well. I'm going to root really hard for TSL in GSTL.


This is exactly what TSL needs! Someone who is willing to defend their players/team to the death (not literally) and will call out any party involved as well as involving a huge legal team.


LOL, no not that kind of director. Seems to me that TSL needs someone who can oversea their operations, have plans and vision, and can take the team to the next level. Obviously, this is not one of Coach Lee's forte.


i doubt he had this problem coaching MBC.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he was just a coach during his time in MBC.
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 08:32:29
January 18 2012 08:32 GMT
#445
Anyways after all is said, happy team members wouldn't just leave a team no matter how much more money is involved. I bet players like MMA and MVP probably received offers to go play on foreign teams with huge salaries but in the end, they won't switch because they love their team too much. If Alive really wants to leave, he should just leave (after his contract is over) and no one should make a fuss about it because he clearly isn't happy being on Team TSL.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
havox_
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany442 Posts
January 18 2012 08:32 GMT
#446
On January 18 2012 17:28 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:26 jellyjello wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:23 FidoDido wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:14 jellyjello wrote:
TSL could really benefit from having a team director much like the role of Jessica in Slayers. Shame on Fnatic as well. I'm going to root really hard for TSL in GSTL.


This is exactly what TSL needs! Someone who is willing to defend their players/team to the death (not literally) and will call out any party involved as well as involving a huge legal team.


LOL, no not that kind of director. Seems to me that TSL needs someone who can oversea their operations, have plans and vision, and can take the team to the next level. Obviously, this is not one of Coach Lee's forte.


i doubt he had this problem coaching MBC.

he said that TSL needs a manager, not a new coach...
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
January 18 2012 08:33 GMT
#447
On January 18 2012 17:31 ReboundEU wrote:
I bet if his players would have girlfriends he would make an article about them wanting to steal the players


Have you a coach team before in your life ? A professional one that is ? I bet you don't and yet you are criticising as though you can do a better job for the team .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
January 18 2012 08:33 GMT
#448
On January 18 2012 17:32 havox_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:28 Gamegene wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:26 jellyjello wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:23 FidoDido wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:14 jellyjello wrote:
TSL could really benefit from having a team director much like the role of Jessica in Slayers. Shame on Fnatic as well. I'm going to root really hard for TSL in GSTL.


This is exactly what TSL needs! Someone who is willing to defend their players/team to the death (not literally) and will call out any party involved as well as involving a huge legal team.


LOL, no not that kind of director. Seems to me that TSL needs someone who can oversea their operations, have plans and vision, and can take the team to the next level. Obviously, this is not one of Coach Lee's forte.


i doubt he had this problem coaching MBC.

he said that TSL needs a manager, not a new coach...


and?

i'm agreeing. of course he doesn't have experience.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
January 18 2012 08:33 GMT
#449
On January 18 2012 17:30 rUiNati0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:26 jellyjello wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:23 FidoDido wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:14 jellyjello wrote:
TSL could really benefit from having a team director much like the role of Jessica in Slayers. Shame on Fnatic as well. I'm going to root really hard for TSL in GSTL.


This is exactly what TSL needs! Someone who is willing to defend their players/team to the death (not literally) and will call out any party involved as well as involving a huge legal team.


LOL, no not that kind of director. Seems to me that TSL needs someone who can oversea their operations, have plans and vision, and can take the team to the next level. Obviously, this is not one of Coach Lee's forte.

I think there needs to be a lot more translators to help with some of these communication errors and so that teams don't have to rely on their competitors translators.


Bad translators/translations are killing e-sports?
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 08:38:18
January 18 2012 08:35 GMT
#450
On January 18 2012 17:33 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:31 ReboundEU wrote:
I bet if his players would have girlfriends he would make an article about them wanting to steal the players


Have you a coach team before in your life ? A professional one that is ? I bet you don't and yet you are criticising as though you can do a better job for the team .


U don't need to coach a team to see how exagerated and premature his statements are....with no backend to it or even trying to shed light on the situation BEFORE starting to flame other teams. Tell me why so many players have a tendancy to leave TSL if this Coach has so much experience in this field witch i don't deny. I dunno any team that has had so many controversial player desertations in SC2...tell me 1 please.... if there isn't any then anyone could assume something is wrong with TSL in general...

U hear a rumor (that might be right or wrong) and start crying before even getting your facts down...yea..pro work bro..really mature and "honnor like"....
U MAD BRO?
Lorizean
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1330 Posts
January 18 2012 08:35 GMT
#451
As others in his thread, I think this immediate need for publicity that is being demonstrated by Coach Lee is quite unprofessional (don't like that word but it fits).
If he continues to drag every little (and potentially misconceived) thing to some news outlet, I fear that in the long run other teams won't want to deal with him anymore.
Andrew2658
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
January 18 2012 08:35 GMT
#452
On January 18 2012 17:25 Talin wrote:
You know, I miss the good old days when it was just EG one needed to worry about. Now it's like freaking Counterstrike 2, something I had dreaded from day 1.

You have got to be the biggest EG anti-fan ever. Do you go into every thread looking to talk about EG? You seem to talk about them more than an obsessed EG fanboy.
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 08:36:43
January 18 2012 08:36 GMT
#453
*sigh* Mr. Lee... This is twice he;s done this now. Is there a reason he's so insecure?
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
January 18 2012 08:36 GMT
#454
Does anybody believe Coach Lee's word at all anymore? This doesn't happen twice to the same team. Both times(for Fnatic and EG) they were surprised by the accusations and said there was no communication between them to show this was coming up. TSL's tendency to go straight to the media is a little immature in these situations. This could have easily been dealt with without bringing all this drama now. For the second time, of course.
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-18 08:40:13
January 18 2012 08:37 GMT
#455
all this drama aside... what the hell is going on with TSL?!

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_SCV_Life

Former players

aLive
JYP
Killer
Clide
Rain
FruitDealer
TricKsteR
PuMa
GuineaPig
Happiness

Look at this list of former players, they are top noth and they all left TSL within a year... what is going on? Killer as the team captain once proud of TSL (saw an interview with him) left the team and preferred to be teamless? aLive moved out of the house for personal reasons it says in one of the statements. if anybody has insight why all these really good players are leaving their team please tell me. I can't believe this is all about money.
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
January 18 2012 08:37 GMT
#456
Theorycraft, courtesy of Occam's Razor.
Fnatic didn't try to poach aLive. But, aLive while talking to his friend who happens to be a Fnatic translator winds up possibly talking about differences between the teams. Coach Lee hears that aLive is talking to Fnatic translator, jumps to a conclusion (possibly because something about it reminds him of past events), and then discusses it with aLive, possibly not in a professional and business like manner. (More of an emotional one, like MamaBear scolding a cub that wants to go play in the forest.) aLive takes offense, and decides to leave the team. Heart, another member, agrees with aLive. Virgil gets this from friends and contacts, possibly even people that only know what Lee is saying unofficially. (Thus, he is in the know but still not right.)
DRAMA!!!
Fnatic says they don't want to know why aLive left TSL. Really, it's not their business. They haven't signed aLive, and they probably won't (for awhile at least) even if they really are the villains of the piece and wanted to all along. They do know about how things could get if lawyers get involved.

Humans being humans, I think Lee has reacted emotionally in potentially questionable circumstances. And since the entire scene (and the players, too) are on the young side, there's no established tradition or organization (think Player's Unions, Team Owner's Organization, major league regulatory body) to have set rules and guidance or just best practices, we get drama.

Elly needs to step on drama llamas. Bare facts are... Lee has accused Fnatic, aLive has left and has not joined Fnatic. Lee has threatened to sue for breech of contract - but could only sue aLive with any reasonable chance of success. The ONLY person at this point that can answer all of the questions is aLive... soooo... aLive, why did you leave TSL? Just the facts will do, without accusations or emotional surges - and will make you come out of this whole mess with a decent reputation, at least as being more professional than the coach leveling emotional accusations against another team and yourself.

So yeah. Long story short, aLive needs to be a professional and enunciate why he left, what his plans are, and in a way that doesn't further inflame the llama. Erm, Drama.
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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
January 18 2012 08:38 GMT
#457
Got to say, Fnatic's putting together a really nice team after letting go of so many players ...

User was warned for this post
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
January 18 2012 08:38 GMT
#458
Coach Lee was one of the best coaches in Broodwar and has more experience managing a team than any of his critics. Sadly, TSL is poor and SC2 in Korea generates no money. TSL has become some kind of supermarket for foreign teams, must be super frustrating to lose all the players you have worked with for months.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Zirith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada403 Posts
January 18 2012 08:38 GMT
#459
coach lee comes off as quite the douche in all of the news ive read in the last couple months. I would hope that this is not the case, but it makes me sad that he is so fucking quick to point blame. Maturity of a teenager.
Artosis: "I don't trust hyenas."
evoli
Profile Joined May 2010
United States333 Posts
January 18 2012 08:39 GMT
#460
On January 18 2012 17:28 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2012 17:26 jellyjello wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:23 FidoDido wrote:
On January 18 2012 17:14 jellyjello wrote:
TSL could really benefit from having a team director much like the role of Jessica in Slayers. Shame on Fnatic as well. I'm going to root really hard for TSL in GSTL.


This is exactly what TSL needs! Someone who is willing to defend their players/team to the death (not literally) and will call out any party involved as well as involving a huge legal team.


LOL, no not that kind of director. Seems to me that TSL needs someone who can oversea their operations, have plans and vision, and can take the team to the next level. Obviously, this is not one of Coach Lee's forte.


i doubt he had this problem coaching MBC.


KeSPA made sure that issues like this weren't common, if possible at all.
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