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Comadevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany214 Posts
December 26 2011 20:30 GMT
#41
It would interest me, if the players who left are distributed equally over all leagues or if e.g. more less skilled players left the game
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
December 26 2011 20:32 GMT
#42
On December 27 2011 05:30 Comadevil wrote:
It would interest me, if the players who left are distributed equally over all leagues or if e.g. more less skilled players left the game


This won't be possible from the basic data, because Bnet automatically assign 20% of population to each league (2% to Master). The only way to track what you want is looking at every player individually, I think.
Thank God and gunrun.
Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
December 26 2011 20:34 GMT
#43
On December 27 2011 02:56 legaton wrote:
So, the SC2 bubble is going to burst in 2012?


No, those stats have no correlation to the growth of SC2 E-sport.
"Skills to pay the bills" - Artosis, https://twitter.com/AegeisSC2 ,http://www.tumblr.com/blog/socal-esports
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
December 26 2011 20:37 GMT
#44
so it's dropping in every single server?
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
muffley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States280 Posts
December 26 2011 20:40 GMT
#45
On December 27 2011 05:32 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 05:30 Comadevil wrote:
It would interest me, if the players who left are distributed equally over all leagues or if e.g. more less skilled players left the game


This won't be possible from the basic data, because Bnet automatically assign 20% of population to each league (2% to Master). The only way to track what you want is looking at every player individually, I think.

Actually, I can see what league a person was in during their last active season, I'll see what I can do on that.
IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
December 26 2011 20:44 GMT
#46
Probably with HotS the interest will increase once again (if they don't fuck it up...)
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Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
December 26 2011 21:00 GMT
#47
On December 27 2011 05:44 IGotPlayguuu wrote:
Probably with HotS the interest will increase once again (if they don't fuck it up...)

we're talking about blizzard here. anyone remember how fun vanilla wow was? then compare it to bc? hahahaha it was like a totally different ez game
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
December 26 2011 21:02 GMT
#48
kool numbers to see for sure. thank you
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
Conquerer67
Profile Joined May 2011
United States605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 21:29:06
December 26 2011 21:27 GMT
#49
+ Show Spoiler +
Ok, so the ladder drops in NA must be from all those people who smurf and beat lower leaguers so bad that they break their computer and never play StarCraft again in their entire life which then causes people in other leagues to drop down and then they get mad, break their computer, and never play StarCraft again, which will then result in a never ending cycle of people stopping playing until the only people left on the NA server are half-assed pros in numbers so low that GM league is reduced to 50 people as compared to 200, and yet all 50 slots are occupied by Koreans with 10 accounts each. Boom. Run-on sentence that predicts the future.


Anyway, thanks for the spider data OP, hope that my prophecy doesn't come true. Still, the numbers now are somewhat promising, though it does go to show how many people don't 1v1.
I hate when people compare SC2 and rochambeu. One race isn't fucking supposed to counter another one. | Protoss isn't OP. Their units on the other hand....
muffley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States280 Posts
December 26 2011 21:33 GMT
#50
On December 27 2011 05:40 muffley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 05:32 Primadog wrote:
On December 27 2011 05:30 Comadevil wrote:
It would interest me, if the players who left are distributed equally over all leagues or if e.g. more less skilled players left the game


This won't be possible from the basic data, because Bnet automatically assign 20% of population to each league (2% to Master). The only way to track what you want is looking at every player individually, I think.

Actually, I can see what league a person was in during their last active season, I'll see what I can do on that.

I've added a table of which league a player was in in season 3, if they did not return in season 4, from no 1v1 games, to bronze, to grandmaster.
     total    no1v1  bronze silver  gold   plat  diam  mast  gmast
us 205,371 86,740 35,609 29,840 24,760 18,977 7,365 2,065 15
eu 180,114 70,772 41,461 27,738 21,182 12,787 4,791 1,375 8
kr 92,095 44,503 14,777 14,766 9,662 5,718 2,006 654 9
cn 68,712 15,622 20,912 11,985 7,934 6,363 3,952 1,907 37
sea 21,095 8,269 5,469 2,885 1,969 1,466 747 278 12

total no1v1 bronze silver gold plat diam mast gmast
ALL 567,387 225,906 118,228 87,214 65,507 45,311 18,861 6,279 81
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
December 26 2011 21:34 GMT
#51
On December 27 2011 06:00 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 05:44 IGotPlayguuu wrote:
Probably with HotS the interest will increase once again (if they don't fuck it up...)

we're talking about blizzard here. anyone remember how fun vanilla wow was? then compare it to bc? hahahaha it was like a totally different ez game


You mean the part where Vanilla was a boring grindfest compared to the other expansions?
Anyway, declining numbers every season isn't rlly strange.
SC2 isn't a big game but quite some people like to watch it.
When HOTS releases the numbers will probably be the same or a little higher then in S1-2 again.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-26 22:12:20
December 26 2011 21:44 GMT
#52
On December 27 2011 06:33 muffley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 05:40 muffley wrote:
On December 27 2011 05:32 Primadog wrote:
On December 27 2011 05:30 Comadevil wrote:
It would interest me, if the players who left are distributed equally over all leagues or if e.g. more less skilled players left the game


This won't be possible from the basic data, because Bnet automatically assign 20% of population to each league (2% to Master). The only way to track what you want is looking at every player individually, I think.

Actually, I can see what league a person was in during their last active season, I'll see what I can do on that.

I've added a table of which league a player was in in season 3, if they did not return in season 4, from no 1v1 games, to bronze, to grandmaster.
     total    no1v1  bronze silver  gold   plat  diam  mast  gmast
us 205,371 86,740 35,609 29,840 24,760 18,977 7,365 2,065 15
eu 180,114 70,772 41,461 27,738 21,182 12,787 4,791 1,375 8
kr 92,095 44,503 14,777 14,766 9,662 5,718 2,006 654 9
cn 68,712 15,622 20,912 11,985 7,934 6,363 3,952 1,907 37
sea 21,095 8,269 5,469 2,885 1,969 1,466 747 278 12

total no1v1 bronze silver gold plat diam mast gmast
ALL 567,387 225,906 118,228 87,214 65,507 45,311 18,861 6,279 81


These numbers are a whole lot higher than the ones on the topic. Is it because the topic used adjusted s3 data?


Looking through these data, I am of the conjecture that more players gave up playing 1v1 ladder compared to players that stop playing altogether. How complicated would it be to test this measure?
Thank God and gunrun.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 26 2011 21:49 GMT
#53
On December 27 2011 05:34 Aegeis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 02:56 legaton wrote:
So, the SC2 bubble is going to burst in 2012?


No, those stats have no correlation to the growth of SC2 E-sport.


They very much do. Less players means less people directly involved with the game. It's not a very promising trend for the long run, especially if other games come along that grab people's attention.
stormchaser
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1009 Posts
December 26 2011 21:53 GMT
#54
On December 27 2011 06:49 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 05:34 Aegeis wrote:
On December 27 2011 02:56 legaton wrote:
So, the SC2 bubble is going to burst in 2012?


No, those stats have no correlation to the growth of SC2 E-sport.


They very much do. Less players means less people directly involved with the game. It's not a very promising trend for the long run, especially if other games come along that grab people's attention.

Since when did ladder mean whether people played sc2 or not? Most people I know play customs due to ladder anxiety or play custom maps with friends cause they suck and don't wanna get pummeled by those that have developed experience and know the metagame well.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
December 26 2011 21:54 GMT
#55
This is normal WoL has been out for sometime and people got bored of playing.

The stream audience is still getting bigger so it's not a problem and after HoTs there should be a huge influx of people and the same with LoV.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
December 26 2011 21:56 GMT
#56
On December 27 2011 06:49 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 05:34 Aegeis wrote:
On December 27 2011 02:56 legaton wrote:
So, the SC2 bubble is going to burst in 2012?


No, those stats have no correlation to the growth of SC2 E-sport.


They very much do. Less players means less people directly involved with the game. It's not a very promising trend for the long run, especially if other games come along that grab people's attention.

We have two major expansion packs coming out I wouldn't be worried (or maybe even more?)
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
muffley
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States280 Posts
December 26 2011 22:24 GMT
#57
On December 27 2011 06:44 Primadog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2011 06:33 muffley wrote:
On December 27 2011 05:40 muffley wrote:
On December 27 2011 05:32 Primadog wrote:
On December 27 2011 05:30 Comadevil wrote:
It would interest me, if the players who left are distributed equally over all leagues or if e.g. more less skilled players left the game


This won't be possible from the basic data, because Bnet automatically assign 20% of population to each league (2% to Master). The only way to track what you want is looking at every player individually, I think.

Actually, I can see what league a person was in during their last active season, I'll see what I can do on that.

I've added a table of which league a player was in in season 3, if they did not return in season 4, from no 1v1 games, to bronze, to grandmaster.
     total    no1v1  bronze silver  gold   plat  diam  mast  gmast
us 205,371 86,740 35,609 29,840 24,760 18,977 7,365 2,065 15
eu 180,114 70,772 41,461 27,738 21,182 12,787 4,791 1,375 8
kr 92,095 44,503 14,777 14,766 9,662 5,718 2,006 654 9
cn 68,712 15,622 20,912 11,985 7,934 6,363 3,952 1,907 37
sea 21,095 8,269 5,469 2,885 1,969 1,466 747 278 12

total no1v1 bronze silver gold plat diam mast gmast
ALL 567,387 225,906 118,228 87,214 65,507 45,311 18,861 6,279 81


These numbers are a whole lot higher than the ones on the topic. Is it because the topic used adjusted s3 data?


Looking through these data, I am of the conjecture that more players gave up playing 1v1 ladder compared to players that stop playing altogether. How complicated would it be to test this measure?

Yes, this is raw data. I probably should show the real data before I show adjusted in cases where I mess with it, but, meh.

Also, your conjecture is correct. Look at the table (and/or graphs) of players with x number of 1v1 wins, vs x number of any wins. 1v1 lost 15-25% of their players, while 'all' went from -4% to +10%. If I could see custom game data, that would be a fascinating 3rd puzzle piece, but alas.
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
December 26 2011 22:49 GMT
#58
finding your information very hard to understand
www.justin.tv/veisc2 ~ 720p + commentary
Comadevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany214 Posts
December 26 2011 22:50 GMT
#59
Thx for ur additional per league analysis. Some clanmates of mine noticed a skill increase after a few months of being absent because they were placed in lower leagues. Though i won't deny that people's skill increase when they play, it seems that also the leaving of more lower league players are responsible that skill in lower leagues is increasing due to the 20% distribution of active player per league (ok, dia is 18% and master 2%).
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
December 26 2011 22:56 GMT
#60
i have some real data: from 7 of my friends who bought the game, only 2 of us (me included) still actually play (casually). everyone else quit. >.>
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
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