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On December 26 2011 13:10 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Demuslim being invited to compete in the GSL is only due to him joining EG. You could say it's some kind of "player developement".
to quote day 9 here "what what the the fuck fuck?"
I don't understand how DemusliM's team has anything to do with this spot, he EARNED it at MLG Raleigh when he beat a bunch of koreans to get like 12th or something
This accomplishment, he got, according to him, due to the training house (or at least i think i remember him saying that)
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On December 26 2011 13:05 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 13:03 Corrosive wrote:On December 26 2011 13:00 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 12:58 Catatonic wrote:On December 26 2011 12:05 sekritzzz wrote:On December 26 2011 12:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 26 2011 11:48 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 11:45 KevinIX wrote:On December 26 2011 11:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 11:41 SafeAsCheese wrote:
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Today I learned that if Player A goes to Team B, then it's always stealing, and a gross violation of morals and ethics.
Thanks Virgil.
Well, there's a huge difference between negotiating a trade between a player who wants to be on a foreign team (Like Sleep) versus throwing piles of cash at a player that likes his current team environment and has risen to stardom on that team. I'm not an EG anti-fan for any reason, but coercing DRG away from MvP is just bad taste no matter how I look at it. I don't see why it would be bad taste? DRG needs the money. EG needs the players. Everyone wins. Neither party actually NEEDS those things. Sure, they may want them, but it's not a necessity. EG could have had a much better business deal signing JYP or Sleep for much less than they would have had to offer DRG to leave MvP. Short and simple, EG likes to sign great players because they can't develop them. EDIT: This is all simply theoretical. I still think JYP is going to EG, not DRG. Lol EG cant develop players? Seriously just knock it off. Just because they have signed great players doesnt mean they cant develop players. People should be happy for the new recruit because it means this player is getting paid good money and will have every opportunity to play in tournaments worldwide. Everyone agrees players need to be treated better. Guess what? EG treats their players great. They support them as much as any team, if not more. EG has yet to develop a single player.... I don't see whats wrong with his comment. If anything ever since players joined EG they seemed to get relatively worst, hence why I don't support EG as a team either. Right so Huk maintaining GSL falling to Code A, IdrA getting invited to Code S, and DeMuslim getting invited to Code A is getting worse an not better? Ummm I think you're rather wrong there man seeing as how IdrA was a Code S level player before leaving Korea an now going back still is means he's about the same an DeMuslim not even being GSL worthy before going to EG now is must say something about their ability to develope and maintain players :l I think you've overlooked that part of your statement. They got invited for a reason. IdrA I would agree with, DeMusliM? Recently hasn't been attending events (I think he was injured?)
Visa problems. I think you can get visa for 6 months only. Or something like that.
Demuslim was showing good results past MLG's. Same thing with Idra. So I don't know what is the whining about?!
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On December 26 2011 12:55 Nurmis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 12:26 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 26 2011 12:15 Nurmis wrote:On December 26 2011 12:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 26 2011 11:48 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 11:45 KevinIX wrote:On December 26 2011 11:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 11:41 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 26 2011 11:40 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 11:37 LEEKsc wrote:http://i.imgur.com/risGO.pngfound this on reddit, so props to whoever posted it! (http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nqqcn/mvpdrgs_twitter_changed_to_egdrg/) apparently his ID was changed for a couple of minutes, but now its back to MVPDongRaeGu... if it is drg that would be amazing for EG! God, I hope DRG was just trolling. Stealing DRG from MvP is like the worst thing EG could do short of stealing HerO from TeamLiquid. Today I learned that if Player A goes to Team B, then it's always stealing, and a gross violation of morals and ethics. Thanks Virgil. Well, there's a huge difference between negotiating a trade between a player who wants to be on a foreign team (Like Sleep) versus throwing piles of cash at a player that likes his current team environment and has risen to stardom on that team. I'm not an EG anti-fan for any reason, but coercing DRG away from MvP is just bad taste no matter how I look at it. I don't see why it would be bad taste? DRG needs the money. EG needs the players. Everyone wins. Neither party actually NEEDS those things. Sure, they may want them, but it's not a necessity. EG could have had a much better business deal signing JYP or Sleep for much less than they would have had to offer DRG to leave MvP. Short and simple, EG likes to sign great players because they can't develop them. EDIT: This is all simply theoretical. I still think JYP is going to EG, not DRG. Lol EG cant develop players? Seriously just knock it off. Just because they have signed great players doesnt mean they cant develop players. People should be happy for the new recruit because it means this player is getting paid good money and will have every opportunity to play in tournaments worldwide. Everyone agrees players need to be treated better. Guess what? EG treats their players great. They support them as much as any team, if not more. So who have they developed? You could argue with IdrA(well he was very good in bw before sc2), I don't want to get into that tho. Other than that all their "homegrown" talent has persistently underachieved. Recently EG has not signed any players that were not already established (PuMa, HuK, DeMuslim) What players in EG are under achieving really? Incontrol is probably the only one id say is under achieving. The rest are right where they should be. Axslav and strife make good runs occasionally. They have done wonders with idra since the teanhouse. Demuslim is drastically better as well. Especially considering his injury. Puma has improved under EG, and i think when Huk gets on a less busy schedule he will show better play too. What did you think their "homegrown" talent would do? Become the best players in the world? Cause thats how things work right? You know IM and SlayerS are full of non stars too right? Well I expect more from players with a salary who can have practice as good as they can. EG's NA players ain't best group of players in NA, even though they have a good practice house (something no one else has in NA, but REIGN) and one of the best group of practice partners outside of Korea (the more recent signees + Idra). StrifeCros best achievement is getting into IEM New York (because qxc cancelled) and being last in his group there. I hardly call Axslav ESWC run that impressive (it was good), but honestly only really good win was Strelok (he lost tho Nerchio, Moman and Stephano and we are talking about his best run here). Machine is waiting for his big break. Then there is LzGamer who is a decent caster in NASL. DeMuslim ain't "drastically better". His best finish came under a month after joining EG, but he was in beast mode in online cups for a while in this fall I give you that. But DeMuslim is not a player that EG developed, he was established well before he joined EG & same goes with Puma and HuK. Also imo Puma was most dominant during his NASL season one win (more koreans in that tourney, like MC, Squirtle, July etc.), but that is besides the point. Btw I am not blaming EG on anything. Developing new talent ain't easy, I know that.
DeMuslim did well before EG, thats no secret. In fact IdrA liked him so much that he lobby for EG to get him. Here is where your comments are extremely close minded and ignorant. Demuslim fell off the map due to injury. During this time EG supported him through his injury and helped him with his return. Without providing Demuslim the support he needed during the injury and the practice environment that they have now, who knows if Demuslim would be in a favorable position right now.
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On December 26 2011 13:14 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 13:05 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 13:03 Corrosive wrote:On December 26 2011 13:00 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 12:58 Catatonic wrote:On December 26 2011 12:05 sekritzzz wrote:On December 26 2011 12:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 26 2011 11:48 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 11:45 KevinIX wrote:On December 26 2011 11:44 VirgilSC2 wrote:
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Well, there's a huge difference between negotiating a trade between a player who wants to be on a foreign team (Like Sleep) versus throwing piles of cash at a player that likes his current team environment and has risen to stardom on that team.
I'm not an EG anti-fan for any reason, but coercing DRG away from MvP is just bad taste no matter how I look at it. I don't see why it would be bad taste? DRG needs the money. EG needs the players. Everyone wins. Neither party actually NEEDS those things. Sure, they may want them, but it's not a necessity. EG could have had a much better business deal signing JYP or Sleep for much less than they would have had to offer DRG to leave MvP. Short and simple, EG likes to sign great players because they can't develop them. EDIT: This is all simply theoretical. I still think JYP is going to EG, not DRG. Lol EG cant develop players? Seriously just knock it off. Just because they have signed great players doesnt mean they cant develop players. People should be happy for the new recruit because it means this player is getting paid good money and will have every opportunity to play in tournaments worldwide. Everyone agrees players need to be treated better. Guess what? EG treats their players great. They support them as much as any team, if not more. EG has yet to develop a single player.... I don't see whats wrong with his comment. If anything ever since players joined EG they seemed to get relatively worst, hence why I don't support EG as a team either. Right so Huk maintaining GSL falling to Code A, IdrA getting invited to Code S, and DeMuslim getting invited to Code A is getting worse an not better? Ummm I think you're rather wrong there man seeing as how IdrA was a Code S level player before leaving Korea an now going back still is means he's about the same an DeMuslim not even being GSL worthy before going to EG now is must say something about their ability to develope and maintain players :l I think you've overlooked that part of your statement. They got invited for a reason. IdrA I would agree with, DeMusliM? Recently hasn't been attending events (I think he was injured?) Visa problems. I think you can get visa for 6 months only. Or something like that. Demuslim was showing good results past MLG's. Same thing with Idra. So I don't know what is the whining about?!
I wasn't saying DeMu isn't good -_- I think he's a great player. I merely pointed out that getting invited =/= skill improvement in all cases.
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On December 26 2011 13:13 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 13:12 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 13:10 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Demuslim being invited to compete in the GSL is only due to him joining EG. You could say it's some kind of "player developement". huh what? its not. So him practicing with EG didnt help develop his skills then?
ok nvm its just how he put it in his post.
so yes its exactly what I mean practicing with EG helped him develop as a player.
the way his post was like, "Hey he joined EG therefore thats how he got his Code A spot"
joining a team is diddly squat if you're not doing better.
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Please don't be DRG. And can we just announce something without announcing the announcement? It's annoying as fuck.
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On December 26 2011 13:17 Skullflower wrote:
Please don't be DRG. And can we just announce something without announcing the announcement? It's annoying as fuck.
In all fairness, EG didn't do a grand announcement of an announcement this time, just a simple tweet, people are just turning it into the drama it has become. I'm not even sure if they intended for this kind of drama TBH
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but EG is based in the US right? Well viOLet is visiting the US and he's Korean. I have a feeling the most epic zerg player I know...and yes I think he's better than Nestea...will soon be and Evil Genius.
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On December 26 2011 13:15 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 13:14 mtn wrote:On December 26 2011 13:05 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 13:03 Corrosive wrote:On December 26 2011 13:00 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 12:58 Catatonic wrote:On December 26 2011 12:05 sekritzzz wrote:On December 26 2011 12:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 26 2011 11:48 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 11:45 KevinIX wrote:
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I don't see why it would be bad taste? DRG needs the money. EG needs the players. Everyone wins. Neither party actually NEEDS those things. Sure, they may want them, but it's not a necessity. EG could have had a much better business deal signing JYP or Sleep for much less than they would have had to offer DRG to leave MvP. Short and simple, EG likes to sign great players because they can't develop them. EDIT: This is all simply theoretical. I still think JYP is going to EG, not DRG. Lol EG cant develop players? Seriously just knock it off. Just because they have signed great players doesnt mean they cant develop players. People should be happy for the new recruit because it means this player is getting paid good money and will have every opportunity to play in tournaments worldwide. Everyone agrees players need to be treated better. Guess what? EG treats their players great. They support them as much as any team, if not more. EG has yet to develop a single player.... I don't see whats wrong with his comment. If anything ever since players joined EG they seemed to get relatively worst, hence why I don't support EG as a team either. Right so Huk maintaining GSL falling to Code A, IdrA getting invited to Code S, and DeMuslim getting invited to Code A is getting worse an not better? Ummm I think you're rather wrong there man seeing as how IdrA was a Code S level player before leaving Korea an now going back still is means he's about the same an DeMuslim not even being GSL worthy before going to EG now is must say something about their ability to develope and maintain players :l I think you've overlooked that part of your statement. They got invited for a reason. IdrA I would agree with, DeMusliM? Recently hasn't been attending events (I think he was injured?) Visa problems. I think you can get visa for 6 months only. Or something like that. Demuslim was showing good results past MLG's. Same thing with Idra. So I don't know what is the whining about?! I wasn't saying DeMu isn't good -_- I think he's a great player. I merely pointed out that getting invited =/= skill improvement in all cases.
His skill did improve massively since he moved to the EG lair which was shown in his play in the later MLGs which got him the spot..
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I kind of doubt it's moon, but you never know. I think it would be pretty cool. He's a legend of sorts, he's teamless, done with War 3 afaik, and he has competed in, and done well in, foreign tournaments. Wouldn't be a bad pick for EG, although I don't know why they wouldn't have done it sooner.
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man there's a lot of top koreans that are teamless right now this is hard to guess
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On December 26 2011 13:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 13:15 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 13:14 mtn wrote:On December 26 2011 13:05 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 13:03 Corrosive wrote:On December 26 2011 13:00 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 26 2011 12:58 Catatonic wrote:On December 26 2011 12:05 sekritzzz wrote:On December 26 2011 12:01 jmbthirteen wrote:On December 26 2011 11:48 VirgilSC2 wrote:
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Neither party actually NEEDS those things. Sure, they may want them, but it's not a necessity. EG could have had a much better business deal signing JYP or Sleep for much less than they would have had to offer DRG to leave MvP.
Short and simple, EG likes to sign great players because they can't develop them.
EDIT: This is all simply theoretical. I still think JYP is going to EG, not DRG. Lol EG cant develop players? Seriously just knock it off. Just because they have signed great players doesnt mean they cant develop players. People should be happy for the new recruit because it means this player is getting paid good money and will have every opportunity to play in tournaments worldwide. Everyone agrees players need to be treated better. Guess what? EG treats their players great. They support them as much as any team, if not more. EG has yet to develop a single player.... I don't see whats wrong with his comment. If anything ever since players joined EG they seemed to get relatively worst, hence why I don't support EG as a team either. Right so Huk maintaining GSL falling to Code A, IdrA getting invited to Code S, and DeMuslim getting invited to Code A is getting worse an not better? Ummm I think you're rather wrong there man seeing as how IdrA was a Code S level player before leaving Korea an now going back still is means he's about the same an DeMuslim not even being GSL worthy before going to EG now is must say something about their ability to develope and maintain players :l I think you've overlooked that part of your statement. They got invited for a reason. IdrA I would agree with, DeMusliM? Recently hasn't been attending events (I think he was injured?) Visa problems. I think you can get visa for 6 months only. Or something like that. Demuslim was showing good results past MLG's. Same thing with Idra. So I don't know what is the whining about?! I wasn't saying DeMu isn't good -_- I think he's a great player. I merely pointed out that getting invited =/= skill improvement in all cases. His skill did improve massively since he moved to the EG lair which was shown in his play in the later MLGs which got him the spot..
I'm not disputing that.
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Polt and DRG, probably the two best Koreans when it comes to English are just trolling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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On December 26 2011 03:17 Disposition1989 wrote:
not from around here? earth? moon? MOON!!!
holy shit , if that is true , EG will become my new favorite team
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On December 26 2011 13:27 kevinmon wrote:
It's DRG!
you know why I think this is impossible, because saying EGDRG is essentially saying SlayerS`DRG.
thats like Flash moving to SKT, treason at the highest level.
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On December 26 2011 13:14 ArtThouAngry wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 13:10 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
Demuslim being invited to compete in the GSL is only due to him joining EG. You could say it's some kind of "player developement". to quote day 9 here "what what the the fuck fuck?" I don't understand how DemusliM's team has anything to do with this spot, he EARNED it at MLG Raleigh when he beat a bunch of koreans to get like 12th or something This accomplishment, he got, according to him, due to the training house (or at least i think i remember him saying that)
The only Korean he beat was trickster
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On December 26 2011 13:30 Fionn wrote:Polt and DRG, probably the two best Koreans when it comes to English are just trolling. Nothing more. Nothing less.
apart from that is clearly fake as the sidebar hasn't changed.
As from streaming DRG streamed on own3d whereas EG streams on twitch
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All the Koreans are trolling us, lol.
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