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Are GOMs arbitrary rules becoming a problem?

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Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:59:57
December 14 2011 11:12 GMT
#1
I think we all were happy when GOM decided to get more foreigners into GSL, with the alotted "4 spots" that was presented before haypro, ret, moonglade and huk got their initial invites. However, there were always questionmarks, how was these players decided? Why werent other players with more skill chosen? But who cared, foreigners were playing against koreans in korea and it was all very exciting!

Since then alot of things have happened though, alot of foreigners go to korea and are seeded in code a based on nothing at all, others come 15th in MLG and then go 2-3 months later.. since there seems to be no agreement of wich GSL you go to when doing well at MLG. Now most lately Morrow gets a free spot based on "his accomplishments in SC2" or something like that. We were many that were glad when MLG and GSL started cooperationg, it seemed that all this randomness would end and that the players getting seeds would be deserving of them. This didn't happen. We are still in the seat we were a year ago and GSL seems less and less professional and more and more desperate to get foreigners. Alot of players go there, compete in code a, qualify for next months tournament and then leave.. it seems like theres no planning from GSL at all.

Now gom have invented a rule that lets them kick out Naniwa because they say he only wants money, and is not professional. This is completely based on the korean netizens reactions, and has nothing to do with what happened in the game. If korean players and netizens would have laughed at it as a stupid thing to do, gom wouldnt have taken Naniwas code-s spot away from him. In other words, noone knew the ruling before the reaction from the korean netizens.. this is the definition of being unprofessional. Inventing rules/interpreting them as wanted to comply to what some fans want.

More skill, less arbitrary popularity contests. please.


PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST, NOT JUST THE PART ABOUT NANIWA
baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
December 14 2011 11:13 GMT
#2
If a Korean did it, he would be finished.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 14 2011 11:13 GMT
#3
I dont understand why every1 is so shocked over this. We saw that there were 2 foreign code S invites when they showed us the new system and everyone loved it then.
Nate.F
Profile Joined April 2011
918 Posts
December 14 2011 11:15 GMT
#4
i think ur assuming here. u mentioned that GOM invented a rule but i'm pretty sure they had given players a briefing regarding their tournament rules, but dont quote me on that
Candide
Profile Joined November 2010
456 Posts
December 14 2011 11:16 GMT
#5
Lets take into consideration the most recent game ruining claims..

Choya Ladder fixing

Byun/Coca conspiracy to push ESV to a game 3 when coca won 2-0


What happened to them


Yes.... arbitrary popularity contests..
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:19:23
December 14 2011 11:17 GMT
#6
What GOM giveth, so too GOM shall taketh away. Coca and Rain lost their code S spots for 'unprofessional behavior' so it's not like we didn't know the rule didn't exist.
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
December 14 2011 11:17 GMT
#7
Foreigners shouldnt be babied and get special treatment. If a korean programer did what nani did they would have a much harsher punoshment. Nani is pretty lucky.
Don't mind me
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 14 2011 11:17 GMT
#8
Lol swedish bias. Maybe you should read up on details before saying bullshit here. They didn't invent any rules, those rules were there from the start. Nobody forced Naniwa to come to Korea of be a part of Blizzcup and GSL. If he wants to play there he needs to abide by their rules.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#9
On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished.

A korean would have been kicked off his team.
greatboy
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada10 Posts
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#10
OP from Sweden.

Disagree.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#11
This has been gone through many times now but some people actually pay to watch the games so no matter how insignificant the game is, you are still expected to play it rather than just throwing the game like that. Plus, it's their tournament so GOM had the right to punish Naniwa.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:19:47
December 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#12
On December 14 2011 20:16 Candide wrote:
Lets take into consideration the most recent game ruining claims..

Choya Ladder fixing

Byun/Coca conspiracy to push ESV to a game 3 when coca won 2-0


What happened to them


Yes.... arbitrary popularity contests..

Those were like actual things wrong. What Nani did was BM at best and as far as I can tell there were no rules against probe rushing in the GSL.

And that still has nothing to do with how the invites are chosen.

edit- @ the guy above me: then write a rule stating so. If there was a rule in place, fine. If there wasn't, then IMO it's just wrong to arbitrarily ban a guy based on public reaction.
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
December 14 2011 11:20 GMT
#13
On December 14 2011 20:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 20:13 baoluvboa wrote:
If a Korean did it, he would be finished.

A korean would have been kicked off his team.


That's exactly what would have happened, and we have precedent. After seeing that, I'm convinced Naniwa still has some growing up to do.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:22:29
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#14
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Mojar
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia185 Posts
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#15
Your bias is showing. He deserved it.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#16
On December 14 2011 20:17 red4ce wrote:
What GOM giveth, so too GOM shall taketh away. Coca and Rain lost their code S spots for 'unprofessional behavior' so it's not like we didn't know the rule didn't exist.

What did Rain do... was it not show up to a match or something? I can't remember it was so long ago -_-
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enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 11:21:57
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#17
Nice, now everybody makes an own thread for his opinion, which could easily be a post in one of the thousand other threads about this topic....

All for the e-fame.
1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#18
they didnt event a rule, they applied a rule within their rules to something naniwa did.

Im pretty sure nestea was offended, who wouldnt be.

Naniwa doesnt have enough respect to even play out a gaame with him in a tournament hes being paid to play in ? (he got 900 dollars for last place i beleive) that aint bad for losing 4 games.
Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
December 14 2011 11:21 GMT
#19
If you throw away a game, you are banned. It's in the rules from the beginning of the GSL and naniwa is supposed to know the rules, there is no point to qq.
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Zhazulo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Sweden226 Posts
December 14 2011 11:22 GMT
#20
Naniwa played out that situation quite poorly. I don't agree with the punishment, but I will respect it. GOM is setting an example (which is pretty responsible of them) which I think that us foreigners should respect. You don't throw matches when you feel like it, you play the games, professionally.

I'll say it again, I am really bummed out about it, but I will come to accept it, and I think I will look back at this situation in a week or two and have come to the point that I will be thankful of GOM for setting an example. That you show respect to other people/gamers/fans etc.
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