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Great news, having Sen + Idra is much better than having Naniwa.
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When Mr. Chae said that bullshit about wanting "progamers" and not prize money hunters or whatever did he ever bother to look into why Stephano is playing?
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On December 14 2011 19:31 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:28 Redox wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Blardy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:56 Confuse wrote:
To all the people announcing you won't pay for GSL anymore: There are probably more viewers who were offended enough by what Nani did to say the same thing if he was still invited. It was probably a correct business decision. With that said, strict professionalism in BW (as ridiculous as it was) worked, I'm sure some discipline won't hurt the SC2 community. I just can't comprehend how someone could be offended by the Naniwa vs Nestea game. because you don't care enough about the sc2 esports growing potential is why you dont understand, if you did you would be offended. He needs to grow up and when invited to one of the biggest tournaments of the year. YOU PLAY YOUR HEART OUT NO MATTER WHAT. If hes not punished then he possibly could do it again in something to do with code s if he goes down 1-0 he just throws the match because he wants to go home and cry There are numerous examples of people NOT playing their heart out no matter what in high profile tournemants. This includes Idra btw, who has just been invited for unclear reasons into code S. BECAUSE you are being completely IGNORANT to the korean culture and pro gaming. They CANNOT show weakness on this issue with the background issues they have had lately in the industry. Pro gaming is a SPORT in korea its televised, its still growing, THEY are trying to still GET fans from brood war to come over to Sc2 and dont need some little brat not even giving them a show to get fans to pay for PRIZES that naniwa needs to even have anything to play for.
So...why haven't they taken action against Choya, Byun or Coca? Who have done far worse things than Nani? Please do explain, since you know so much about Korean culture.
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On December 14 2011 19:34 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +
T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate issue.
Sen and Idra going to GSL doesn't have anything to do with Naniwa (according to Mr. Chae at least). Why are people making this about Naniwa?
Because the format has 2 spots for direct invites to Code S (32 players, 8 from previous season Code S, 12 from Code A directly, 10 from U&D). One of these goes to the highest placing non Code S player at MLG. For GSL January, that's MLG Providence and Naniwa placed second behind Leenock, who is Code S.
So one of the two Code S spots belonged to Naniwa because of the MLG/GSL exchange program. That only leaves one spot open in their Code S lineup. You can't fit 2 people in there without removing someone.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Lior wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:31 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:28 Redox wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Blardy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:56 Confuse wrote:
To all the people announcing you won't pay for GSL anymore: There are probably more viewers who were offended enough by what Nani did to say the same thing if he was still invited. It was probably a correct business decision. With that said, strict professionalism in BW (as ridiculous as it was) worked, I'm sure some discipline won't hurt the SC2 community. I just can't comprehend how someone could be offended by the Naniwa vs Nestea game. because you don't care enough about the sc2 esports growing potential is why you dont understand, if you did you would be offended. He needs to grow up and when invited to one of the biggest tournaments of the year. YOU PLAY YOUR HEART OUT NO MATTER WHAT. If hes not punished then he possibly could do it again in something to do with code s if he goes down 1-0 he just throws the match because he wants to go home and cry There are numerous examples of people NOT playing their heart out no matter what in high profile tournemants. This includes Idra btw, who has just been invited for unclear reasons into code S. BECAUSE you are being completely IGNORANT to the korean culture and pro gaming. They CANNOT show weakness on this issue with the background issues they have had lately in the industry. Pro gaming is a SPORT in korea its televised, its still growing, THEY are trying to still GET fans from brood war to come over to Sc2 and dont need some little brat not even giving them a show to get fans to pay for PRIZES that naniwa needs to even have anything to play for. So...why haven't they taken action against Choya, Byun or Coca? Who have done far worse things than Nani? Please do explain, since you know so much about Korean culture.
Probably because what naniwa did was more visible even if it was much less severe than what choya did (purposefully cheating the system).
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On December 14 2011 19:31 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:28 Redox wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Blardy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:56 Confuse wrote:
To all the people announcing you won't pay for GSL anymore: There are probably more viewers who were offended enough by what Nani did to say the same thing if he was still invited. It was probably a correct business decision. With that said, strict professionalism in BW (as ridiculous as it was) worked, I'm sure some discipline won't hurt the SC2 community. I just can't comprehend how someone could be offended by the Naniwa vs Nestea game. because you don't care enough about the sc2 esports growing potential is why you dont understand, if you did you would be offended. He needs to grow up and when invited to one of the biggest tournaments of the year. YOU PLAY YOUR HEART OUT NO MATTER WHAT. If hes not punished then he possibly could do it again in something to do with code s if he goes down 1-0 he just throws the match because he wants to go home and cry There are numerous examples of people NOT playing their heart out no matter what in high profile tournemants. This includes Idra btw, who has just been invited for unclear reasons into code S. BECAUSE you are being completely IGNORANT to the korean culture and pro gaming. They CANNOT show weakness on this issue with the background issues they have had lately in the industry. Pro gaming is a SPORT in korea its televised, its still growing, THEY are trying to still GET fans from brood war to come over to Sc2 and dont need some little brat not even giving them a show to get fans to pay for PRIZES that naniwa needs to even have anything to play for.
Why do you type like that?
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On December 14 2011 19:35 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:32 poorcloud wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 19:23 Ghanburighan wrote:On December 14 2011 19:20 Serpico wrote:On December 14 2011 19:19 Grettin wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours." - Wolf @ Twitter I dont see probe rushes to be "abusive." And I see you as a selfish egotist that will probably bring about armageddon single-handedly. That doesn't make it so. There was a huge backlash, both in Korea and the foreigner scene. Your single opinion doesn't negate that fact. I'm kind of curious, do people like you expect players to just start putting on shows, and instead of being actual professionals becoming purely entertainers. Common sense would say that there was really nothing to gain from the game with nestea, so people essentially are pissed because Naniwa didn't see the point as just trying to go out and act like the game mattered, at what point are people going to realize they're just treading the line before playing a game professionally to compete, and playing a game to just entertain people despite it's lack of significance. So we should not expect F1 drivers to not bother to race on the last day of the race if it dosen't matter anymore? So the driver is justified in just leaving after the first lap of the race since he dosen't feel like it? I don't understand why everyone says its the tournaments fault for having meaningless games when EVERY PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE IN THE WORLD has such meaningless games. All of us want E-sports to be considered legitimate. To make it professional, you have to enforce such rules. Harsh for Naniwa though, a warning would have been good enough. Some players may not like the format. You give proper feedback, not throw away the game... But there's nothing professional about an organization saying that if you don't try 100% in every game despite the fact that it may be meaningless, we will ban you from our organization. That type of format is just pretty much forcing players to cater to viewers in situations like the naniwa nestea one, and actually pretty much pushing them in the direction of providing entertainment rather than competition. If the game is pointless, you're pretty much forced to attempt some sort of resemblance of a game, and at this point it becomes more forced acting rather than competitive play.
If a national team refused to play a match in the world cup in soccer because 'we are already out' I guarantee that they would be punished. Or in the premier league. Or in any decent sized sport.
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On December 14 2011 19:35 Ace.Xile wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:32 poorcloud wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 Ace.Xile wrote:On December 14 2011 19:23 Ghanburighan wrote:On December 14 2011 19:20 Serpico wrote:On December 14 2011 19:19 Grettin wrote:
"During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours." - Wolf @ Twitter I dont see probe rushes to be "abusive." And I see you as a selfish egotist that will probably bring about armageddon single-handedly. That doesn't make it so. There was a huge backlash, both in Korea and the foreigner scene. Your single opinion doesn't negate that fact. I'm kind of curious, do people like you expect players to just start putting on shows, and instead of being actual professionals becoming purely entertainers. Common sense would say that there was really nothing to gain from the game with nestea, so people essentially are pissed because Naniwa didn't see the point as just trying to go out and act like the game mattered, at what point are people going to realize they're just treading the line before playing a game professionally to compete, and playing a game to just entertain people despite it's lack of significance. So we should not expect F1 drivers to not bother to race on the last day of the race if it dosen't matter anymore? So the driver is justified in just leaving after the first lap of the race since he dosen't feel like it? I don't understand why everyone says its the tournaments fault for having meaningless games when EVERY PROFESSIONAL SPORTS LEAGUE IN THE WORLD has such meaningless games. All of us want E-sports to be considered legitimate. To make it professional, you have to enforce such rules. Harsh for Naniwa though, a warning would have been good enough. Some players may not like the format. You give proper feedback, not throw away the game... But there's nothing professional about an organization saying that if you don't try 100% in every game despite the fact that it may be meaningless, we will ban you from our organization. That type of format is just pretty much forcing players to cater to viewers in situations like the naniwa nestea one, and actually pretty much pushing them in the direction of providing entertainment rather than competition.
Naniwa did not have to try 100%. He just had to do some lame 4 gate, not something that had 0 chance of winning.
In the english premier league, a team got fined before for fielding mostly their reserves midway through the season. They didn't even throw the game away, they played hard. Truth is, professional sports league around the world take such acts seriously, and its only good that gom is deciding to emulate them.
Like i said before though, i think a ban is too harsh. Perhaps a suspension for a month or a warning would have been good enough.
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On December 14 2011 19:23 Skipton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:21 VTPerfect wrote:
#1 rule of viewership; You may judge a Starcraft 2 Tournament unfit to receive your Esport dollars. Naniwa earns Code S by placing 2nd in one of the most competitive Sc2 tournaments all year and its taken away by not trying in a worthless game? Sorry but either viewers teach GOM a lesson that bullshit is bad or they are going to do this again and again and we may find our beloved sport more like WWE and much less like Chess. Bullshit is bad. They agree. They aren't putting up with it either.
Perhaps you need to stop playing on my words without understanding their definition. Bullshit is being used as a noun here which is defined as stupid, Untrue talk or writing, nonsense. I find it "bullshit" (as in nonsense) that a (professional) league has 4 rules with 1 being a we can invent anything at all whenever we want discretionary rule. As well as "bullshit" (as in stupid) that GOM feels its somehow been short changed because its format creates worthless games. You have no idea how many games players like MVP and MC have thrown because the cost of revealing a secret strategy does not outweigh the benefit of winning the game. Yet they have received no disciplinary action whatsoever. I call into question GOM's prestige as the most meritorious tournament in Sc2
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IDRA and SEN wooot cant wait !!!
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Huks Twitter for some perspective
if it was a korean player, they would be out of gsl for months, kicked out of team house, and etc. is he perma baned or just this season?
http://twitter.com/#!/LorangerChris
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Sen vs. Idra in the finals, gonna be sick.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Polarexia wrote:
When Mr. Chae said that bullshit about wanting "progamers" and not prize money hunters or whatever did he ever bother to look into why Stephano is playing?
Every Pro-gamer plays this game for the money, it's not just Stephano. I think the "prize money hunter" -term is a either misleading or incorrectly translated.
At least Stephano would have played his match in Naniwas situation. Pretty sure about that.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:37 Lior wrote:On December 14 2011 19:31 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:28 Redox wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Blardy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:56 Confuse wrote:
To all the people announcing you won't pay for GSL anymore: There are probably more viewers who were offended enough by what Nani did to say the same thing if he was still invited. It was probably a correct business decision. With that said, strict professionalism in BW (as ridiculous as it was) worked, I'm sure some discipline won't hurt the SC2 community. I just can't comprehend how someone could be offended by the Naniwa vs Nestea game. because you don't care enough about the sc2 esports growing potential is why you dont understand, if you did you would be offended. He needs to grow up and when invited to one of the biggest tournaments of the year. YOU PLAY YOUR HEART OUT NO MATTER WHAT. If hes not punished then he possibly could do it again in something to do with code s if he goes down 1-0 he just throws the match because he wants to go home and cry There are numerous examples of people NOT playing their heart out no matter what in high profile tournemants. This includes Idra btw, who has just been invited for unclear reasons into code S. BECAUSE you are being completely IGNORANT to the korean culture and pro gaming. They CANNOT show weakness on this issue with the background issues they have had lately in the industry. Pro gaming is a SPORT in korea its televised, its still growing, THEY are trying to still GET fans from brood war to come over to Sc2 and dont need some little brat not even giving them a show to get fans to pay for PRIZES that naniwa needs to even have anything to play for. So...why haven't they taken action against Choya, Byun or Coca? Who have done far worse things than Nani? Please do explain, since you know so much about Korean culture. Probably because what naniwa did was more visible even if it was much less severe than what choya did (purposefully cheating the system).
Oh, so it's ok to do it if fewer people notice? Go GOM.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Polarexia wrote:
When Mr. Chae said that bullshit about wanting "progamers" and not prize money hunters or whatever did he ever bother to look into why Stephano is playing?
Calling Naniwa an "amateur prize money hunter" on air as the figurehead of a tournament is rather abusive and BM in my eyes. He should've phrased that differently. Now he just lost any moral highground that he had.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Rannasha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
T/N : When GOM announced the new format of GSL tour 2012. They planned out total 2 seeds to Code S and 2 seeds to Code A. Two seeds are sponsor seeds which are given to Idra and Sen. Two seeds are up/down seeds that will be given out to top performing non-Korea players. Therefore Idra and Sen did not suddenly get in that Naniwa's punishment is a separate issue.
Sen and Idra going to GSL doesn't have anything to do with Naniwa (according to Mr. Chae at least). Why are people making this about Naniwa? Because the format has 2 spots for direct invites to Code S (32 players, 8 from previous season Code S, 12 from Code A directly, 10 from U&D). One of these goes to the highest placing non Code S player at MLG. For GSL January, that's MLG Providence and Naniwa placed second behind Leenock, who is Code S. So one of the two Code S spots belonged to Naniwa because of the MLG/GSL exchange program. That only leaves one spot open in their Code S lineup. You can't fit 2 people in there without removing someone.
I see I see. Ty for clarification
Agree with HuK 100%. It's a job and Naniwa was too immature to realize that.
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Hope this stops all the stupid racist comments that are made.
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On December 14 2011 19:37 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:37 Lior wrote:On December 14 2011 19:31 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:28 Redox wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Blardy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:56 Confuse wrote:
To all the people announcing you won't pay for GSL anymore: There are probably more viewers who were offended enough by what Nani did to say the same thing if he was still invited. It was probably a correct business decision. With that said, strict professionalism in BW (as ridiculous as it was) worked, I'm sure some discipline won't hurt the SC2 community. I just can't comprehend how someone could be offended by the Naniwa vs Nestea game. because you don't care enough about the sc2 esports growing potential is why you dont understand, if you did you would be offended. He needs to grow up and when invited to one of the biggest tournaments of the year. YOU PLAY YOUR HEART OUT NO MATTER WHAT. If hes not punished then he possibly could do it again in something to do with code s if he goes down 1-0 he just throws the match because he wants to go home and cry There are numerous examples of people NOT playing their heart out no matter what in high profile tournemants. This includes Idra btw, who has just been invited for unclear reasons into code S. BECAUSE you are being completely IGNORANT to the korean culture and pro gaming. They CANNOT show weakness on this issue with the background issues they have had lately in the industry. Pro gaming is a SPORT in korea its televised, its still growing, THEY are trying to still GET fans from brood war to come over to Sc2 and dont need some little brat not even giving them a show to get fans to pay for PRIZES that naniwa needs to even have anything to play for. So...why haven't they taken action against Choya, Byun or Coca? Who have done far worse things than Nani? Please do explain, since you know so much about Korean culture. Probably because what naniwa did was more visible even if it was much less severe than what choya did (purposefully cheating the system).
I'd argue that what Choya did wasn't purposefully cheating the system, it was childish and immature and him thinking it was perfectly fine at that time because he didn't do anything but make sure he got placed where the actual system meant for him to be (skill wise), and it was just meaningless ladder (as we all refer to it).
Much like I think what Naniwa did was childish and immature.
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On December 14 2011 19:31 BloodThirsty wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 19:28 Redox wrote:On December 14 2011 19:26 BloodThirsty wrote:On December 14 2011 19:05 Blardy wrote:On December 14 2011 18:56 Confuse wrote:
To all the people announcing you won't pay for GSL anymore: There are probably more viewers who were offended enough by what Nani did to say the same thing if he was still invited. It was probably a correct business decision. With that said, strict professionalism in BW (as ridiculous as it was) worked, I'm sure some discipline won't hurt the SC2 community. I just can't comprehend how someone could be offended by the Naniwa vs Nestea game. because you don't care enough about the sc2 esports growing potential is why you dont understand, if you did you would be offended. He needs to grow up and when invited to one of the biggest tournaments of the year. YOU PLAY YOUR HEART OUT NO MATTER WHAT. If hes not punished then he possibly could do it again in something to do with code s if he goes down 1-0 he just throws the match because he wants to go home and cry There are numerous examples of people NOT playing their heart out no matter what in high profile tournemants. This includes Idra btw, who has just been invited for unclear reasons into code S. BECAUSE you are being completely IGNORANT to the korean culture and pro gaming. They CANNOT show weakness on this issue with the background issues they have had lately in the industry. Pro gaming is a SPORT in korea its televised, its still growing, THEY are trying to still GET fans from brood war to come over to Sc2 and dont need some little brat not even giving them a show to get fans to pay for PRIZES that naniwa needs to even have anything to play for.
100% agreed. Korean culture is not american culture. Hell if a team did that in a sport in north america they'd be fined up the wazoo.
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GOGO IDRA AND SEN! Having people who respect their host country playing in GSL is just so much more refreshing.
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