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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 13 2011 20:41 GMT
#121
On December 14 2011 03:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
lol , in sc2 there are female cups , that are also promoted , streamed .. media coverage etc.
seems smart for our team to have a good girl in the team also

since we couldn't find a GM girl (I don't know any in EU server) , we took one master division girl ..
don't get why some bronze guys comentate :D

it has nothing to do with sexism .. if you are a male you get a male competition

is the same for boxing , football and other sports that have huge male competitions.. and some small ones for females where ppl can still look at some 2 chicks boxing eachother

but you will not see a female boxer vs a male boxer .. the male will crush her..
and don't tell me that I chosed a wrong example because it has to do with men body having more strength etc. , cause it's the same for CHESS , where are also women competitions , and male ones

so if there is a sc2 female tournament , Maddelisk can represent esahara while in some big tournament , the top squad will do it..

and being masters as girl , is a pretty good ranking imo , considering the scene..

This implies that female players are somehow at a disadvantage against male players in SC2...

Similar to poker and chess, I don't think women have any inherent disadvantage in this game.
liftlift > tsm
Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
December 13 2011 20:42 GMT
#122
She looks good! Shame she is Swedish, their language is too jibberish.
Ryka
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom254 Posts
December 13 2011 20:42 GMT
#123
On December 14 2011 05:00 jubil wrote:
Kinda funny I don't think anyone would care that much about the recruit's record/league etc. if it was a guy

"Huh some team signed some low masters player. Whatever, maybe they see something in him I don't. Best of luck I suppose."

"Oh my god this team only signed this player because she's a girl, she has an awful record she must be terrible, this is such blatant reverse discrimination, etc"

It's just newsworthy because there aren't many female progamers, so it's interesting to see them. End of story. I would be equally as interested in a story about a team that signed a black progamer even though there's no gender division there.


There's actually quite a lot of them now. Haven't seen any of them play vs a decent male player since they were signed to teams though.

Really wish the teams would use them in team leagues etc rather than just parade them around then not even give them a chance to show the fans what they're capable of against the guys.
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 20:49:03
December 13 2011 20:48 GMT
#124
On December 14 2011 05:42 Stuv wrote:
She looks good! Shame she is Swedish, their language is too jibberish.

Nah this is good, much higher chance that she'll be good at the game. Swedes are second only to Koreans in SC2.
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 13 2011 20:52 GMT
#125
On December 14 2011 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
lol , in sc2 there are female cups , that are also promoted , streamed .. media coverage etc.
seems smart for our team to have a good girl in the team also

since we couldn't find a GM girl (I don't know any in EU server) , we took one master division girl ..
don't get why some bronze guys comentate :D

it has nothing to do with sexism .. if you are a male you get a male competition

is the same for boxing , football and other sports that have huge male competitions.. and some small ones for females where ppl can still look at some 2 chicks boxing eachother

but you will not see a female boxer vs a male boxer .. the male will crush her..
and don't tell me that I chosed a wrong example because it has to do with men body having more strength etc. , cause it's the same for CHESS , where are also women competitions , and male ones

so if there is a sc2 female tournament , Maddelisk can represent esahara while in some big tournament , the top squad will do it..

and being masters as girl , is a pretty good ranking imo , considering the scene..

This implies that female players are somehow at a disadvantage against male players in SC2...

Similar to poker and chess, I don't think women have any inherent disadvantage in this game.

lol wait till that guy is old enough to go to school and learns about the physiological differences between boys and girls. It will blow his mind!
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
December 13 2011 20:54 GMT
#126
What's the point of specifying that she's a girl in the thread title? It makes it look more like a publicity stunt than just news that the team is getting a new player.

Anyway, hope she's good and plays some entertaining games at tournaments in the future.
Switchy
Profile Joined June 2011
343 Posts
December 13 2011 20:55 GMT
#127
Was recruited based on her skills and looks?
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 13 2011 20:57 GMT
#128
On December 14 2011 05:55 Switchy wrote:
Was recruited based on her skills and looks?

Actually she was recruited to flip nerds into a frenzied rage in the hope that they kill themselves.
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
December 13 2011 20:59 GMT
#129
Fap

User was temp banned for this post.
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agahamsorr0w
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands359 Posts
December 13 2011 21:00 GMT
#130
How can people tolerate this? Girls do not have any clear disadvantage in this game. How come they get special treatment? It's just unfair for the good people that are looking for a decent team. The reason there are not as many good female players around is because girls like to hang with each other instead of playing games seriously(sleepovers, partying till late) not because they are mentally challenged. Isn't everyone supposed to get the same treatment...?

thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
December 13 2011 21:10 GMT
#131
Does she has to be naked it points to publicity. I hope I'm wrong and she's really good.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 21:14:57
December 13 2011 21:12 GMT
#132
On December 14 2011 05:42 Stuv wrote:
She looks good! Shame she is Swedish, their language is too jibberish.


I find that REALLY ironic coming from a Dutchman ;P

(sounds like a mangled english/german gibberish to me)
"See you space cowboy"
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 21:16:34
December 13 2011 21:12 GMT
#133
Considering the other topic just got closed by Chill, I'll post my response here:

Why recruit female gamers?

Marketing. Only question is what are they trying to market? They get zero exposure as is.

Too few women compete. It's like NASCAR: a male dominated sport, but without the same exposure.

You might say Danica Patrick is a good role model for women, but unlike D.P. these women get zero exposure. I don't see the point of recruiting them unless you put it in front of everyone's face (more than posting a press release that we signed so-and-so). It comes down to the following:

- competing all the time
- results
- marketing

The last one should be easy, but sponsors still drop the ball on this one.

What do the sponsors get out of all this? I'd really like to know.

It's like the beginning of the BW Amateur scene all over again.

I used to manage teams myself. If I don't see the potential in the prospect I don't sign them. Simple. The sponsors are obviously trying to sell something else because I rarely see the female gamers compete at events let alone the marketing (Flo is like the only one who really tries to compete with the boys-- hat goes off to her). Instead, they stick to segregated tournaments that get next to zero exposure from the community. So my question to those signing the contracts. What the fuck are you getting out of this?

Start putting them in the eye of the storm. If the sponsors/teams are going to sign them to contracts. Back it the fuck up and have them compete more often.

Have them more visible opposed to invisible.
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
December 13 2011 21:16 GMT
#134
On December 14 2011 05:41 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 03:10 DeathAngel[ro] wrote:
lol , in sc2 there are female cups , that are also promoted , streamed .. media coverage etc.
seems smart for our team to have a good girl in the team also

since we couldn't find a GM girl (I don't know any in EU server) , we took one master division girl ..
don't get why some bronze guys comentate :D

it has nothing to do with sexism .. if you are a male you get a male competition

is the same for boxing , football and other sports that have huge male competitions.. and some small ones for females where ppl can still look at some 2 chicks boxing eachother

but you will not see a female boxer vs a male boxer .. the male will crush her..
and don't tell me that I chosed a wrong example because it has to do with men body having more strength etc. , cause it's the same for CHESS , where are also women competitions , and male ones

so if there is a sc2 female tournament , Maddelisk can represent esahara while in some big tournament , the top squad will do it..

and being masters as girl , is a pretty good ranking imo , considering the scene..

This implies that female players are somehow at a disadvantage against male players in SC2...

Similar to poker and chess, I don't think women have any inherent disadvantage in this game.


The current reality is that it doesn't matter if women are at a disadvantage or not, because there are women only tournaments anyway. As such, it is understandable that a team would go looking for a good female player to represent them in the women's tournaments. You might argue that these gender divided tournaments shouldn't exist, but they exist in poker as well, and the post you quote mentions them in chess.

If there really are no advantages/disadvantages for the genders in sc2, then hopefully training with a competitive team will allow this or another female gamer to improve to the point where she can really compete in an MLG or Dreamhack and perhaps inspire more women to do the same.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
December 13 2011 21:20 GMT
#135
On December 14 2011 01:59 iNcontroL wrote:
always the same on TL

Girl gets/does something eSports related.
Bunch of guys bring up "it's only because she is an attractive female."
Bunch of guys defend her by showing that other people are worse, do worse or she is legit.
Several pages of this goes back and forth.

If we could just be happy for her and the opportunity it'd be great. Unrealistic but great.

"BUT INCONTROL, A MORE DESERVING MALE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT SPOT! It isn't right that she gets stuff because she is a girl!"

I then make the argument about marketing, the real world blah blah blah... someday maybe.

Here is a question: When will EG get a female player?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 13 2011 21:23 GMT
#136
Anna already does stuff for the team.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
December 13 2011 21:33 GMT
#137
On December 14 2011 01:25 SC2NeCro wrote:
I play as zerg in Master league. My favourite strategy, well I like to play mass lings vs terran or mass muta vs ptotoss. But I'm not sure I have a favourite one..

/facepalm


Yup, that made me lol a bit.

Also, how is she even going to play whilst doing a Ph.D?
"They make it so scrubnubs can PM me. They make it so I can't ignore scrubnubs!" - "I'm gonna show you how great I am." MKP fan since GSL Open Season 2 #hipsternerd
Piet Friet
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands36 Posts
December 13 2011 21:35 GMT
#138
A few months ago I watched a couple of games of her and spent some time in her channel. She's a really nice person and I hope she gets treated accordingly.
sQueez
Profile Joined March 2011
12 Posts
December 13 2011 22:43 GMT
#139
She sure as hell has some brains..

Mathematic paper..
Drive_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada35 Posts
December 13 2011 22:46 GMT
#140
There should be a picture of her in a team jersey/shirt or something casual... such a stupid picture to put in the thread.
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