EPTAn article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 68
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Dumboprime
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YouinashouRi
Canada76 Posts
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Earlobe
Canada9 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:03 ReachTheSky wrote: Indeed it will be. I'm thinking that they are gonna agree with the masses and then what seems like a neutral stance followed by the pillar saying what we should/shouldn't do and how we should/shouldn't act as fans. lol Ha ha I hope so! Make sure you tell everyone to watch. If they hit 40k they're going to play a drunken 2v2! And rip apart Naniwa. HILARIOUS. Recipe for success. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:03 ReachTheSky wrote: Indeed it will be. I'm thinking that they are gonna agree with the masses and then what seems like a neutral stance followed by the pillar saying what we should/shouldn't do and how we should/shouldn't act as fans. lol I have a feeling Artosis won't be able to hide his anger in his rant, like when Coca Byun thing happened. Gonna be fun. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Don't like him; don't watch. Don't give him your time. Right now your on his time considering this is a thread about him. ._. This has the opposite effect. | ||
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Quakie
Norway725 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:06 anrimayu wrote: I have a feeling Artosis won't be able to hide his anger in his rant, like when Coca Byun thing happened. Gonna be fun. Which makes me wonder if he is going to out players that have been disrespectful to casters soon. | ||
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Earlobe
Canada9 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:09 Quakie wrote: Which makes me wonder if he is going to out players that have been disrespectful to casters soon. Oh I know he will. Very soon. He's getting fed up. I don't understand how these progamers have grown their heads so big... I wish more of them were like Sheth... | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:48 Toadvine wrote: The probe rush actually does quite well vs 6pool, which isn't exactly uncommon in high-level ZvP on large maps. Still, this is a stupid technical argument. Everyone knew Idra threw that game when it happened. He simply gave up. This was discussed on SotG, and nobody even tried to dispute this fact. So yeah, if you're outraged about Nani doing this, and weren't feeling the same back when Idra did it, then welcome to the land of hypocrisy, please enjoy your stay. There're thousand and thousand of stuffs happens behind the scene in esports, some might even more disgusting than this, but since we don't know, we don't care. Same as Idra's cases, his games are not televised, so it doesn't actually matter for anybody. But when a match is televised, a lot of people are depending on it: the audiences hope to watch a good game, the players hope to have a good performance, the organizers hope the match event to go well so that they can pull more audiences and advertisers, the advertisers hope the person/event they sponsor to be successful. Naniwa's kind of action only benefit for him, but not for anybody. Now tell me, do you see the respect, professionalism, role model out of Naniwa? Stop trying to defend Naniwa, he's not gonna be your BFF. | ||
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ArtThouAngry
Canada146 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:09 Quakie wrote: Which makes me wonder if he is going to out players that have been disrespectful to casters soon. Oh God, I can see him doing that while he is completely drunk.... It's gonna be Biblical | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:27 Ponchey wrote: So games should be judged differently depending on whether or not they're televised? I'm sorry, but that feels unprofessional if anything. It's just like those saying "it would have been ok to throw the game if he had only faked it by doing a weird build". If a professional football player were to decide not to participate in a single practice session, the coach would get angry. If the player were to decide not to participate in a public skirmish, the fans would be upset, and the coach would be outraged. If the player were to decide not to participate in a major game, everyone would be outraged. Nobody cares if the game was important or not. The team, and the sponsors of the team: EVERYTHING THAT IS BACKING THE PLAYER wants the player to play and give their team the best reputation possible. To blatantly disregard all of your immediate support, and to inflict harm on them in multiple ways, is not acceptable. Televised events are what everyone sees. It's where people see who is sponsoring NaNiWa. It's where people see that NaNiWa is proudly wearing a QxG jersey because they are supporting his efforts in that tournament, and supporting him as a professional athlete. He is playing games on a contract. He does not have the liberty to throw away games. To throw away games is to throw away your right as a professional gamer. It's basic common sense. As a professional, you have a standard to uphold. If you do not uphold that standard, you do not meet the requirements to be a professional. NaNiWa disrespected too many people in his forfeit on national television, that is why the Koreans are upset, and that is why you should be upset. If you take this game lightly, and say "it's just a game" then you are not a supporter of professional eSports. There is a conduct code to uphold, and there is professionalism to sustain. If you can not accept that, then you simply just do not support professional eSports. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13296 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:07 StarStruck wrote: Bob he owes you nothing. Don't like him; don't watch. Don't give him your time. Right now your on his time considering this is a thread about him. ._. This has the opposite effect. People fork out money to watch him play games. Proper games. He DOES owe his fans something. If he wants to act like a princess, then fine, give the money back and leave the scene. If you're going to accept money from sponsors and fans to play SC2 then you do owe people something. | ||
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Strabismus
United Kingdom65 Posts
That said I can still understand the Korean mindset of players entertaining the viewers out of respect to the production and their opponent; and the fans themselves. I just think it sucks that Naniwa is getting the brunt of abuse and attention for something that most players are "guilty" of, just on a very slightly more subtle level. | ||
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Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:05 YouinashouRi wrote: I don't even understand Naniwa's logic behind doing that. Why not play the game vs Nestea, show some class and dignity. He just looks like a baby. No, you see his logic makes perfect sense. He didn't want to disappoint fans so he disappointed fans. Oh wait. | ||
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GeNeSiDe
United Kingdom354 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:07 StarStruck wrote: Bob he owes you nothing. Don't like him; don't watch. Don't give him your time. Right now your on his time considering this is a thread about him. ._. This has the opposite effect. The more attention and negative press he gets here the more likely something will be done to ensure this never happens again. And to my fellow Leaf fan, I agree with you wholeheatedly about our legendary Captain Mats. The same could be said about a lot of players we have had, Steve Thomas comes to mind at times, don't get me started on Lindros, Robert Reichel or Khristich(god he was a flop). I always respected guy like Gary Valk and Tie Domi who gave their all, every night, regardless of what it cost them, and I respect that in SC2 players as well. Class can't be bought, you dont see Boxer crying because he got knocked to GSL Code A Quallies, he just soldiers on, keeps playing, and above all, smiles and respects EVERY opponent he plays no matter what(except for Yell0w  ). | ||
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GeNeSiDe
United Kingdom354 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:13 Strabismus wrote: It seems like a clash of mindsets. The vocal minority is being very vocal and it's causing what seems to be an overreaction, particularly from the Korean scene. The only difference between Naniwa suiciding his probes and countless other players just cheesing their way out of pointless matches is that Naniwa's approach shows the farce of false competitiveness for what it really is. That said I can still understand the Korean mindset of players entertaining the viewers out of respect to the production and their opponent; and the fans themselves. I just think it sucks that Naniwa is getting the brunt of abuse and attention for something that most players are "guilty" of, just on a very slightly more subtle level. Subtlety goes a long way. | ||
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CHOMPMannER
Canada175 Posts
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LHR
Canada81 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On December 14 2011 08:43 4of8 wrote: It is only disgusting how less people here know about professional sport...do your research guys before you are arguing about stuff you have no clue about. shame of gijon posted for the ~10th time in these threads. Someone should put stuff like this in the topic so we could atleast avoid false arguments. Stuff like this has happened before in sport and in esport Your point? From the article: The direct consequence of the game was that from Euro 1984 and World Cup 1986 onward, the final pair of group matches in international tournaments always start at the same time.[7] People hated that, lol thats why rules were changed. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:13 RowdierBob wrote: People fork out money to watch him play games. Proper games. He DOES owe his fans something. If he wants to act like a princess, then fine, give the money back and leave the scene. If you're going to accept money from sponsors and fans to play SC2 then you do owe people something. I've already said that needs to be said. I'm not going to continue to repeat myself, but know this. Just because you bought a ticket to watch your team play doesn't mean everyone's going to come out and play. You have every right to boo the product you see; however anything else is over-excessive. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On December 14 2011 09:15 CHOMPMannER wrote: who cares, every one is making a big deal out of this. He was out, upset, the guy got basically cheesed 3 games in a row... This is Koreans just hating on white people because they feel threatened. Threatened over what? His 0 set wins in the GSL? Dem Koreans shaking in their pants | ||
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