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On December 11 2011 04:24 coL.CatZ wrote:
oh wow didn't really take a look at this thread until now, first of all, I feel like people are way misguided here, Naniwa made 3 times as much as I do as far as salary goes, so no, obviously we're not the same. I don't know why Naniwa chose to use me as an example, but what he stated is simply false, and I doubt he was referring to salary. ofc they don't care the same way if he wins a big event than if i have a bunch of viewers on my stream.
I will tell you one more thing, I make 1/3 of what Naniwa makes in salary, but if Naniwa learned to behave, he'd make at least 6 times as much, unfortunately, he's been burning bridges since he started playing this game, and even before that, so no one will offer him the salary he deserves based off of the skill he has as a player, and as sad as it is, he knows that.
I consider Johan a friend and wish him the best of luck in QxG, truth is he has been trying to change for a long time, he has been trying to clear his PR a bit, he tries to bm less, gg more, be less rude in general, but his personality is what it is. He is picky, he is arrogant, he is many things that make him a difficult human being to work with, he is quick to be a smartass and be offensive at times, but he is also quickest to get offended. He as we all are, is a human with a lot of flaws. He is also a very honest person, and most of the time has tons of good intentions, but translating these into actions is hard for him. you know how as little kids everyone says w/e they want and do w/e they want and there's little to no repercussions, but then as you grow up you learn 'oh shit, that was the wrong way to approach this or that' or 'maybe i shouldn't say that' or 'trying to explain this will just cause more confusion', you know, like when a Jehovah's witness knocks on your door you don't tell them 'fuck off, you're wrong about everything you're saying' you're polite about it, then go back inside and rant 'it was just those annoying people trying to sell me their god again' well naniwa didn't learn most of those things, so he's stuck in the phase where he is incredibly hard to deal with. He's not a bad person, and once you get to know him and try to understand him a bit better, he's actually pretty cool, so, Johan, best of luck to you, I hope you find a home in QxG where you're at last comfortable and best of luck to QxG, please be patient and treat carefully!
Holy shit. So reckless. Didn't know you were an asshole, guess I'll skip your stream next time.
He is picky, he is arrogant, he is many things that make him a difficult human being to work with, he is quick to be a smartass and be offensive at times, but he is also quickest to get offended. you know how as little kids everyone says w/e they want and do w/e they want and there's little to no repercussions, but then as you grow up you learn 'oh shit, that was the wrong way to approach this or that' or 'maybe i shouldn't say that' or 'trying to explain this will just cause more confusion', you know, like when a Jehovah's witness knocks on your door you don't tell them 'fuck off, you're wrong about everything you're saying' you're polite about it, then go back inside and rant 'it was just those annoying people trying to sell me their god again' well naniwa didn't learn most of those things, so he's stuck in the phase where he is incredibly hard to deal with
Do you honestly want this out so badly that you're typing it in a public forum? Do you have a grudge on naniwa or why are you doing this? Perhaps it's you who has poor social skills? All respect lost for you unless somebody hacked your account.
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good decision,ill always support naniwa and his mindset
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On December 11 2011 04:24 coL.CatZ wrote:
oh wow didn't really take a look at this thread until now, first of all, I feel like people are way misguided here, Naniwa made 3 times as much as I do as far as salary goes, so no, obviously we're not the same. I don't know why Naniwa chose to use me as an example, but what he stated is simply false, and I doubt he was referring to salary. ofc they don't care the same way if he wins a big event than if i have a bunch of viewers on my stream.
I will tell you one more thing, I make 1/3 of what Naniwa makes in salary, but if Naniwa learned to behave, he'd make at least 6 times as much, unfortunately, he's been burning bridges since he started playing this game, and even before that, so no one will offer him the salary he deserves based off of the skill he has as a player, and as sad as it is, he knows that.
I consider Johan a friend and wish him the best of luck in QxG, truth is he has been trying to change for a long time, he has been trying to clear his PR a bit, he tries to bm less, gg more, be less rude in general, but his personality is what it is. He is picky, he is arrogant, he is many things that make him a difficult human being to work with, he is quick to be a smartass and be offensive at times, but he is also quickest to get offended. He as we all are, is a human with a lot of flaws. He is also a very honest person, and most of the time has tons of good intentions, but translating these into actions is hard for him. you know how as little kids everyone says w/e they want and do w/e they want and there's little to no repercussions, but then as you grow up you learn 'oh shit, that was the wrong way to approach this or that' or 'maybe i shouldn't say that' or 'trying to explain this will just cause more confusion', you know, like when a Jehovah's witness knocks on your door you don't tell them 'fuck off, you're wrong about everything you're saying' you're polite about it, then go back inside and rant 'it was just those annoying people trying to sell me their god again' well naniwa didn't learn most of those things, so he's stuck in the phase where he is incredibly hard to deal with. He's not a bad person, and once you get to know him and try to understand him a bit better, he's actually pretty cool, so, Johan, best of luck to you, I hope you find a home in QxG where you're at last comfortable and best of luck to QxG, please be patient and treat carefully!
Under this.. interesting attempt to sugar coar all the BM you just spewed at him I personally find you way out of line. Not even going to detail the irony found in this post as well, if it was intended or not.
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Carz simply states what everyone that's been working with Naniwa already said but without the sugarcoating. Props to him.
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On December 11 2011 06:00 zanga wrote:
NaNiwa got what he wanted.
Col made their deal with Quantic and got what they wanted.
Quantic got NaNiwa, which is what they wanted.
= Everyone got what they want ON GOOD TERMS. No need to theorycraft anymore.
NaNiwa fighting :D!
This ^^ is all there really is to say folks. SaSe and NaNi talk all the time. We are refocusing on building the most engaging world-class team for the fans and players alike. Kim (SaSe) mentioned NaNi, and we had considered approaching coL about it, but they reached out first. It really doesn't matter, because if the deal wasn't basically meant to happen, it never would have. Obviously, both coL and NaNi were ready for something new, and we (Quantic) had both the motivation and the means to complete the transaction. It happened quickly, easily, and professionally, because it was in everyone's best interest.
As far as the drama goes, catz, and whatever, so long as you all are enjoying yourselves, it's all good. Talk on, keep watching, and don't forget to support the brands and products that support the eSports ecosystem of players, teams and venues you enjoy. With your continued engagement, love and support, none of this would even be possible. THANK YOU!
Visit us at Quantic Gaming,follow us at @QuanticGaming, watch us at QuanticMedia, and like us at QuanticGaming
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This thread is getting blown way out of proportion. The end result is for the benefit of both sides. Nani was honest about his take on the situation. Catz was honest on his view of nani. Since when is it a bad thing to voice your opinion? (other than trying to martyr yourself or making a smartass comment).
Making a mountain out of a molehill.
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It is the same for them if CatZ hits 5k viewers on his stream or that I place 2nd at an MLG and I did not agree with that point of view
Wow. That really says a lot about coL, their goals, and why they don't produce any results as a team. I mean, yeah, if you make your living off SC2 you're technically a professional, but this kind of outlook doesn't mean anything as far as I'm concerned.
The best teams should encourage quality of play first and fan interaction/marketing second. Anything else doesn't deserve attention. IMO it's a terrible shame that Catz gets more viewers than some other players who stream.
Edit: Don't take this comment as pro-Nani. It isn't. His being a childish prick is entirely separate from the fact that some teams (in this case, coL) don't seem to place a heavy emphasis on results. EG had a phase where they seemed to do the same, but since then they made some high profile acquisitions and established a practice house.
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Why are so many people acting outraged about CatZ's post... the whole thing seemed pretty sincere and not BM at all.
I don't think it's a secret that Nani's personal life hasn't been all sunshine and roses, and that probably has had an affect on who he is today.
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On December 11 2011 06:48 Rubber wrote:
Why are so many people acting outraged about CatZ's post... the whole thing seemed pretty sincere and not BM at all.
I don't think it's a secret that Nani's personal life hasn't been all sunshine and roses, and that probably has had an affect on who he is today.
ditto, guess people are easily to attack things
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On December 11 2011 04:24 coL.CatZ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +oh wow didn't really take a look at this thread until now, first of all, I feel like people are way misguided here, Naniwa made 3 times as much as I do as far as salary goes, so no, obviously we're not the same. I don't know why Naniwa chose to use me as an example, but what he stated is simply false, and I doubt he was referring to salary. ofc they don't care the same way if he wins a big event than if i have a bunch of viewers on my stream.
I will tell you one more thing, I make 1/3 of what Naniwa makes in salary, but if Naniwa learned to behave, he'd make at least 6 times as much, unfortunately, he's been burning bridges since he started playing this game, and even before that, so no one will offer him the salary he deserves based off of the skill he has as a player, and as sad as it is, he knows that.
I consider Johan a friend and wish him the best of luck in QxG, truth is he has been trying to change for a long time, he has been trying to clear his PR a bit, he tries to bm less, gg more, be less rude in general, but his personality is what it is. He is picky, he is arrogant, he is many things that make him a difficult human being to work with, he is quick to be a smartass and be offensive at times, but he is also quickest to get offended. He as we all are, is a human with a lot of flaws. He is also a very honest person, and most of the time has tons of good intentions, but translating these into actions is hard for him. you know how as little kids everyone says w/e they want and do w/e they want and there's little to no repercussions, but then as you grow up you learn 'oh shit, that was the wrong way to approach this or that' or 'maybe i shouldn't say that' or 'trying to explain this will just cause more confusion', you know, like when a Jehovah's witness knocks on your door you don't tell them 'fuck off, you're wrong about everything you're saying' you're polite about it, then go back inside and rant 'it was just those annoying people trying to sell me their god again' well naniwa didn't learn most of those things, so he's stuck in the phase where he is incredibly hard to deal with. He's not a bad person, and once you get to know him and try to understand him a bit better, he's actually pretty cool, so, Johan, best of luck to you, I hope you find a home in QxG where you're at last comfortable and best of luck to QxG, please be patient and treat carefully!
Now i can't tell how much of what you write is true, but most of it just confirms my view of Naniwa based on his past. Glad you wrote this and don't worry if people flame you, you just gave your honest opinion.
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On December 11 2011 06:39 QuanticCinergy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 06:00 zanga wrote:
NaNiwa got what he wanted.
Col made their deal with Quantic and got what they wanted.
Quantic got NaNiwa, which is what they wanted.
= Everyone got what they want ON GOOD TERMS. No need to theorycraft anymore.
NaNiwa fighting :D! This ^^ is all there really is to say folks. SaSe and NaNi talk all the time. We are refocusing on building the most engaging world-class team for the fans and players alike. Kim (SaSe) mentioned NaNi, and we had considered approaching coL about it, but they reached out first. It really doesn't matter, because if the deal wasn't basically meant to happen, it never would have. Obviously, both coL and NaNi were ready for something new, and we (Quantic) had both the motivation and the means to complete the transaction. It happened quickly, easily, and professionally, because it was in everyone's best interest. As far as the drama goes, catz, and whatever, so long as you all are enjoying yourselves, it's all good. Talk on, keep watching, and don't forget to support the brands and products that support the eSports ecosystem of players, teams and venues you enjoy. With your continued engagement, love and support, none of this would even be possible. THANK YOU! Visit us at Quantic Gaming,follow us at @QuanticGaming, watch us at QuanticMedia, and like us at QuanticGaming
gg wp : )
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On December 11 2011 06:48 Rubber wrote:
Why are so many people acting outraged about CatZ's post... the whole thing seemed pretty sincere and not BM at all.
People don't want to hear the truth about their favorite player, and will rationalize away any sort of negative criticism, regardless if its been corroborated by multiple people, teams, and past public experiences. It seems pretty obvious that Catz wasn't trying to put down Naniwa, but rather give his honest assessment on the situation. Both him and merz have more inside knowledge and understanding of the situation, but rather than value their opinion, they have both just been unreasonably attacked.
Oh well. Good luck with Quantic. I really hope that this is the environment you were looking for, and you can show us great games in 2012. I hope your amazing talent and dedication becomes the focus in 2012!
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SC2, where people are too afraid to play, and too hung up on drama to make their life even more shitty..
Totally agree with Naniwa, skill is the nr1 factor. Play like a God, and your fans will love you.
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Scumbag Catz.
Tells Naniwa to learn how to behave, communicate in a mannered way and when it's better not to say anything.
Talks about all of Naniwas flaws/quite personal issues in a public internet forum, known for it's love for drama.
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I like how people are butthurt about the post Catz made, when Naniwa took the first snide shot in the interview. Catz is only saying what everyone knows is true
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On December 11 2011 06:56 jnsjr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 06:48 Rubber wrote:
Why are so many people acting outraged about CatZ's post... the whole thing seemed pretty sincere and not BM at all. People don't want to hear the truth about their favorite player, and will rationalize away any sort of negative criticism, regardless if its been corroborated by multiple people, teams, and past public experiences. It seems pretty obvious that Catz wasn't trying to put down Naniwa, but rather give his honest assessment on the situation. Both him and merz have more inside knowledge and understanding of the situation, but rather than value their opinion, they have both just been unreasonably attacked. Oh well. Good luck with Quantic. I really hope that this is the environment you were looking for, and you can show us great games in 2012. I hope your amazing talent and dedication becomes the focus in 2012!
Actually, it's mainly the fact that CoL feels the need to put him down at every opportunity... kind of makes them look dishonest. Why would they act like they have a grudge if they don't? So far I haven't seen him say anything negative about them at all, yet all I can hear from them is:
"I like the guy, he's great, I hope he does well... btw fuck him, he's a POS and you all should know that he's a fucking asshole."
Seems kind of stupid to me... but whatever.
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On December 11 2011 06:59 epij wrote:
Scumbag Catz.
Tells Naniwa to learn how to behave, communicate in a mannered way and when it's better not to say anything.
Talks about all of Naniwas flaws/quite personal issues in a public internet forum, known for it's love for drama.
Huh? every1 knows those flaws by watching Nani behave.
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The bias on this forum is amazing. Nani says something untrue about coL and catz but catz is BM for responding.
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On December 11 2011 07:01 Moralez wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 06:59 epij wrote:
Scumbag Catz.
Tells Naniwa to learn how to behave, communicate in a mannered way and when it's better not to say anything.
Talks about all of Naniwas flaws/quite personal issues in a public internet forum, known for it's love for drama. Huh? every1 knows those flaws by watching Nani behave.
Just because everyone on the internet seems to know Naniwa inside-out, doesn't justify a former teammate to talk about such personal stuff.
Also this was not my point. Read again.
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On December 11 2011 07:01 MasterBlasterCaster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 06:56 jnsjr wrote:On December 11 2011 06:48 Rubber wrote:
Why are so many people acting outraged about CatZ's post... the whole thing seemed pretty sincere and not BM at all. People don't want to hear the truth about their favorite player, and will rationalize away any sort of negative criticism, regardless if its been corroborated by multiple people, teams, and past public experiences. It seems pretty obvious that Catz wasn't trying to put down Naniwa, but rather give his honest assessment on the situation. Both him and merz have more inside knowledge and understanding of the situation, but rather than value their opinion, they have both just been unreasonably attacked. Oh well. Good luck with Quantic. I really hope that this is the environment you were looking for, and you can show us great games in 2012. I hope your amazing talent and dedication becomes the focus in 2012! Actually, it's mainly the fact that CoL feels the need to put him down at every opportunity... kind of makes them look dishonest. Why would they act like they have a grudge if they don't? So far I haven't seen him say anything negative about them at all, yet all I can hear from them is: "I like the guy, he's great, I hope he does well... btw fuck him, he's a POS and you all should know that he's a fucking asshole." Seems kind of stupid to me... but whatever.
It started out with them attempted to correct misinformation. Naniwa mentioned additional factors such as money and priorities in his interview, which is what Catz responded to. Specifically the quote about Catz getting 5000 viewers being comparable to Naniwa's MLG finish. Catz also affirmed that Naniwa gets paid around three times as much as him and would likely get paid more if not for his attitude. All of this is relevant and a direct response to some of the stuff Naniwa said in his interview.
It's not like Naniwa is coming in and saying, "Well, I'm really excited about being with Sase and look forward to performing in Code S-" and then Complexity just comes in and yells, "Naniwa is a asshole!". They're responding directly to what he's saying.
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