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This is a great decision, considering the following:
-The original Blizz cup idea was to invite the Top 10 GSL players of 2011
-The basis of this event is to hold a closure tournament, with the players with the biggest splash on the year. In this regards, 5th GSL ranked player is way more important than any single 2nd or 1st place finish in any tournament. It's a testament of consistency.
-Polt has being a top tier Terran throughout this year, and this is his reward.
-A top GSL terran is better than any foreigners. Come on, we've known this for a while.
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It would have been better to find a way to get forgg/fin into this, so much hype and I think everyone wants to see him vs the very best asap right now.
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it's still ashame that only the top4 (or maybe 5) from gsl points will make it. They announced 1 year ago that the top 8 players will face each other and lots of korean progamers were looking forward to playing in this cup and now this happens.. dont get me wrong I like (almost) everyone of the players qualified and for the most part they are the best of the best but if a organizer announces format will be xyz 1 year before the tournament they shouldn't change it just to make everyone happy.
I dont like Polts playstyle and I think that he isn't even code a level but I hope he gets the spot since he deserves the spot (because of gsl points) more than anyone else.
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MVP qualifying 3 times for Blizzcup, that would indeed be pretty amazing.
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On December 09 2011 05:21 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 04:54 MetalLobster wrote:
Polt is a great player but have we seriously forgotten the winner of NASL? NASL had paltry competition. Only two real Koreans, who crushed their ways through the tournament and met each other in the finals.
How many Koreans do WCG have? What about IEM NY? Exactly who competed in New York while MLG Orlando was going on the same weekend?
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On December 09 2011 05:39 mordk wrote:
This is a great decision, considering the following:
-The original Blizz cup idea was to invite the Top 10 GSL players of 2011
-The basis of this event is to hold a closure tournament, with the players with the biggest splash on the year. In this regards, 5th GSL ranked player is way more important than any single 2nd or 1st place finish in any tournament. It's a testament of consistency.
-Polt has being a top tier Terran throughout this year, and this is his reward.
-A top GSL terran is better than any foreigners. Come on, we've known this for a while.
seems to me that blizzard is just subsidizing korean teams by offering a tournament that will have a huge, positive economic impact on koreans, and not foreigners. i think they tried to ameliorate that a bit by changing it from GSL points to top winners at each tournament. gom seems to be bringing it back to just gsl results again. not surprising since they are promoting their own brand. (i, of course, am just speculating because i dont know the background.)
i don't have a problem with blizzard using their money how they see fit, but its annoying that they are essentially taking a shit on foreigners once again. if anything, recent tournaments (mlg, ipl, dreamhack, nasl) have shown that the korean market is not necessary for a burgeoning e-sports scene. throw some support towards foreigners (i'll admit that blizzcon was foreigner friendly though).
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I want MKP or goody to win WCG and take the blizzard cup spot. Goody there would be amazing.
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why not wcg runner up
i dont get it
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On December 09 2011 05:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:39 mordk wrote:
This is a great decision, considering the following:
-The original Blizz cup idea was to invite the Top 10 GSL players of 2011
-The basis of this event is to hold a closure tournament, with the players with the biggest splash on the year. In this regards, 5th GSL ranked player is way more important than any single 2nd or 1st place finish in any tournament. It's a testament of consistency.
-Polt has being a top tier Terran throughout this year, and this is his reward.
-A top GSL terran is better than any foreigners. Come on, we've known this for a while. seems to me that blizzard is just subsidizing korean teams by offering a tournament that will have a huge, positive economic impact on koreans, and not foreigners. i think they tried to ameliorate that a bit by changing it from GSL points to top winners at each tournament. gom seems to be bringing it back to just gsl results again. not surprising since they are promoting their own brand. (i, of course, am just speculating because i dont know the background.) i don't have a problem with blizzard using their money how they see fit, but its annoying that they are essentially taking a shit on foreigners once again. if anything, recent tournaments (mlg, ipl, dreamhack, nasl) have shown that the korean market is not necessary for a burgeoning e-sports scene. throw some support towards foreigners (i'll admit that blizzcon was foreigner friendly though).
Blizzard is in no way related to the Blizzard cup except in the useage of the company name. This is all Mr. Chae.
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On December 09 2011 05:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:39 mordk wrote:
This is a great decision, considering the following:
-The original Blizz cup idea was to invite the Top 10 GSL players of 2011
-The basis of this event is to hold a closure tournament, with the players with the biggest splash on the year. In this regards, 5th GSL ranked player is way more important than any single 2nd or 1st place finish in any tournament. It's a testament of consistency.
-Polt has being a top tier Terran throughout this year, and this is his reward.
-A top GSL terran is better than any foreigners. Come on, we've known this for a while. seems to me that blizzard is just subsidizing korean teams by offering a tournament that will have a huge, positive economic impact on koreans, and not foreigners. i think they tried to ameliorate that a bit by changing it from GSL points to top winners at each tournament. gom seems to be bringing it back to just gsl results again. not surprising since they are promoting their own brand. (i, of course, am just speculating because i dont know the background.) i don't have a problem with blizzard using their money how they see fit, but its annoying that they are essentially taking a shit on foreigners once again. if anything, recent tournaments (mlg, ipl, dreamhack, nasl) have shown that the korean market is not necessary for a burgeoning e-sports scene. throw some support towards foreigners (i'll admit that blizzcon was foreigner friendly though).
The Blizzard cup is not organized by Blizzard other than Blizzard providing the games; it's organized by Mr. Chae and those at Gom. It's basically another GSL super tournament under a different name.
None of the money is from Blizzard, it's all from GOM which is a Korean company.
EDIT: The poster above me beat me to it.
But yea, you admitted that you were speculating so I don't like how you still made those damning statements with such certainty.
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On December 09 2011 05:47 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:21 chenchen wrote:On December 09 2011 04:54 MetalLobster wrote:
Polt is a great player but have we seriously forgotten the winner of NASL? NASL had paltry competition. Only two real Koreans, who crushed their ways through the tournament and met each other in the finals. How many Koreans do WCG have? What about IEM NY? Exactly who competed in New York while MLG Orlando was going on the same weekend?
The korean WCG players had to beat all other koreans in the qualifiers, so it doesn't really mean anything that there are only 3 in the finals.
As for IEM NY, ya that was a pretty weak tournament competitively.
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On December 09 2011 05:42 RudePlague wrote:
It would have been better to find a way to get forgg/fin into this, so much hype and I think everyone wants to see him vs the very best asap right now.
He can prove himself against the top next GSL, for now he's a newbie and putting him in based on next to no SC2 achievments would not be fair at all
On December 09 2011 05:47 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:39 mordk wrote:
This is a great decision, considering the following:
-The original Blizz cup idea was to invite the Top 10 GSL players of 2011
-The basis of this event is to hold a closure tournament, with the players with the biggest splash on the year. In this regards, 5th GSL ranked player is way more important than any single 2nd or 1st place finish in any tournament. It's a testament of consistency.
-Polt has being a top tier Terran throughout this year, and this is his reward.
-A top GSL terran is better than any foreigners. Come on, we've known this for a while. seems to me that blizzard is just subsidizing korean teams by offering a tournament that will have a huge, positive economic impact on koreans, and not foreigners. i think they tried to ameliorate that a bit by changing it from GSL points to top winners at each tournament. gom seems to be bringing it back to just gsl results again. not surprising since they are promoting their own brand. (i, of course, am just speculating because i dont know the background.) i don't have a problem with blizzard using their money how they see fit, but its annoying that they are essentially taking a shit on foreigners once again. if anything, recent tournaments (mlg, ipl, dreamhack, nasl) have shown that the korean market is not necessary for a burgeoning e-sports scene. throw some support towards foreigners (i'll admit that blizzcon was foreigner friendly though).
The non-korean scene has more than enough support, foreigners have MLG, IPL, NASL, Dreamhack ++ while Koreans have GSL and recently KSL. Koreans use their own money (cept for MLG invited players) to travel to foreign tourneys and it is not their fault that foreigners can't win against them
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On December 09 2011 05:55 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:47 dAPhREAk wrote:On December 09 2011 05:39 mordk wrote:
This is a great decision, considering the following:
-The original Blizz cup idea was to invite the Top 10 GSL players of 2011
-The basis of this event is to hold a closure tournament, with the players with the biggest splash on the year. In this regards, 5th GSL ranked player is way more important than any single 2nd or 1st place finish in any tournament. It's a testament of consistency.
-Polt has being a top tier Terran throughout this year, and this is his reward.
-A top GSL terran is better than any foreigners. Come on, we've known this for a while. seems to me that blizzard is just subsidizing korean teams by offering a tournament that will have a huge, positive economic impact on koreans, and not foreigners. i think they tried to ameliorate that a bit by changing it from GSL points to top winners at each tournament. gom seems to be bringing it back to just gsl results again. not surprising since they are promoting their own brand. (i, of course, am just speculating because i dont know the background.) i don't have a problem with blizzard using their money how they see fit, but its annoying that they are essentially taking a shit on foreigners once again. if anything, recent tournaments (mlg, ipl, dreamhack, nasl) have shown that the korean market is not necessary for a burgeoning e-sports scene. throw some support towards foreigners (i'll admit that blizzcon was foreigner friendly though). The Blizzard cup is not organized by Blizzard other than Blizzard providing the games; it's organized by Mr. Chae and those at Gom. It's basically another GSL super tournament under a different name. None of the money is from Blizzard, it's all from GOM which is a Korean company. EDIT: The poster above me beat me to it. But yea, you admitted that you were speculating so I don't like how you still made those damning statements with such certainty.
well that makes more sense then. its another GSL under a different GSL name. so, i retract what i said about blizzard.
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On December 09 2011 05:50 robih wrote:
why not wcg runner up
i dont get it
I guess they want to throw a bone to the Korean players, I remember they were very unhappy about the format changes for Blizzard Cup, because before that it apparently included more GSL players and less foreign tournament winners.
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On December 09 2011 05:42 RudePlague wrote:
It would have been better to find a way to get forgg/fin into this, so much hype and I think everyone wants to see him vs the very best asap right now.
fOrGG hasn't won anything yet.
Also to react to Korea hates PuMa: It's pretty know for that Koreans who leave the country are not considered koreans anymore by the people who still live there, they consider it some kind of betrayal to the country. (as you know, they're in war)
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On December 09 2011 06:12 MrMercuG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:42 RudePlague wrote:
It would have been better to find a way to get forgg/fin into this, so much hype and I think everyone wants to see him vs the very best asap right now. fOrGG hasn't won anything yet. Also to react to Korea hates PuMa: It's pretty know for that Koreans who leave the country are not considered koreans anymore by the people who still live there, they consider it some kind of betrayal to the country. (as you know, they're in war)
This is completely stupid and not true.
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On December 09 2011 05:06 eleaf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:00 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Polt isn't that great of a player lately  he would probably be one of the weakest ones in the tourney Really? Hero and Naniwa even not been able to stay in code A.
Huh? HerO is in the up-and-down, and the only way he cannot stay in Code A is to advance to Code S.
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o ok so mvp gives up his GSL point slot because he fulfills the WCG slot, thus creating an open slot in the GSL slots for the next highest rank player to join (polt)
originally, mvp was in a GSL point slot since the WCG winner was not yet determined but the other slots were starting to fill
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On December 09 2011 05:25 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 05:08 TensaiSakuragi wrote:On December 09 2011 05:06 eleaf wrote:On December 09 2011 05:00 ProxyKnoxy wrote:Polt isn't that great of a player lately he would probably be one of the weakest ones in the tourney Really? Hero and Naniwa even not been able to stay in code A. Oh, yeah cause they lost a Bo3? You do know who those 2 have beaten in the last few weeks, don't you? Hero has solid PvZ but is overall a mediocre Korean. He only looks good because he's on liquid and has the opportunity to stomp on foreigners regularly.
Lol, mediocre Korean? He has always been insanely good, even before joining TL. HerO has some serious nerve issues when more is at stake (e.g. GSL), but if the recent tournaments are anything to go by he is getting better and better in keeping his nerves in check.
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