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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:16 echO [W] wrote: He did win. What are you talking about? What exactly is a "real match-up" If anyone can win it, then HuK can, but he didn't. Play to win. Simple That the better player doesn't have an advantage in PvP, it's clear. Don't act like you don't know what I'm saying, it's annoying. | ||
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storm44
1293 Posts
On December 03 2011 07:57 JustPassingBy wrote: eg definitely has the better players, but definitely also the worse. mouz's skill is more evenly distributed amongst its players, I feel. this is how I see it as well, and I think its much better to have a balanced team | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
And thats not enough? If having 2 worldclass teams isnt enough to be considered really fucking good then what is? | ||
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GenoPewPew
United States347 Posts
Apparently they didn't win in DOTA 1 according to this guy | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
They are doing pretty well in Quake as well. | ||
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:13 Eee wrote: I think besides BiGs most 1v1 records between the players favours mouz. Also mouz has (among others): 1st at IEM Gamescom 2010 (MorroW) 3rd at Homestory Cup 2010 (MorroW) 2nd at Assembly Winter 2011 (MorroW) 4th at Copenhagen Games 2011 (MorroW) 2nd at Dreamhack Winter 2010 (Mana) 3rd at IEM Gamescom 2011 (Mana) 3rd at Homestory Cup 2 (Mana) 2nd at ESWC (Mana) 3rd IPL 2 (Mana) 2nd Assembly Summer (Mana) 4th at IEM Guangzhou (HasuObs) 4th at TSL3 (HasuObs) 2nd at MSI procup (HasoObs) 1st TSL 3 (ThorzaIN) 2nd Dreamhack Valencia (ThorzaIN) 4th at IPL 2 (ThorzaIN) 3rd at European battle.net inv (ThorzaIN) IMO, this is a pretty impressive list of achievments! Mouz is cleary on of the most underestimated western sc2 teams. Funny that both those 1st place wins prompted patches from Blizzard. | ||
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sechkie
United States334 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:12 RoyGBiv_13 wrote: Hate to side with the like of a TL chobo, but it is pvp. If a top toss lost in GSL through a pvp in the first round, we'd be pitchforks and torches all the way. EDIT: also,  we would be angry and talk about how coinflippy it is, but also think about this, when mc was on top of the world, he was basically unbeatable (especially so in pvp, his micro was just superb) I think huk has terrible pvp just because of his practice partner level is lower, he can train with puma and idra which are most definitely a large step above axslav and incontrol. | ||
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RJGooner
United States2055 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:18 Swiv wrote: So EG called HasuOrbs a walkover.... even if Huk won 3:2... seriously. and that 'just kidding' means nothing. i dislike EG. That was a joke... | ||
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naux
Canada738 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:18 Rikke wrote: Its simple: Mouz just didn't spends so much money into their sc2 team. EG just throws money to every winning player and tries to sign them, thats why they win more  lol so funnyyyyyyyyyy just like mouz signing thorzain when he was in the TSL finals and its simple other teams would throw money at players if they had it | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:19 tehemperorer wrote: That the better player doesn't have an advantage in PvP, it's clear. Don't act like you don't know what I'm saying, it's annoying. The better player won. Winning is the only thing that matters. | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:17 nvs. wrote: To blindly express your opinion defiantly in the face of logic and facts? Yup. What else do they have besides their 1.6 team and SC2 team? Nobody is telling me. While EG has their SC2 team (multiple offline championshipsn, when mouz hasn't had 1 offline championship (yet)), their fightan players (uhm Justin fucking Wong, end of story), their WoW team (went to Blizzcon and I think they're going ot WCG), their 1.6 (only the best in NA, but whatever), their Dota team (yeah hi, they're pretty good). | ||
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tGFuRy
United States537 Posts
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
a joke always expresses an opinion, no matter how you disguise it. | ||
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sechkie
United States334 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:19 tehemperorer wrote: That the better player doesn't have an advantage in PvP, it's clear. Don't act like you don't know what I'm saying, it's annoying. the better player does have an advantage because they should have better micro/macro... then how about pvt 111 when everybody was dieing to it (it's still pretty good, just not used as much) You can say that there are a lot of "better" protoss that lost because of how good 111 is. does that mean it's not a real matchup? | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:19 GenoPewPew wrote: Apparently they didn't win in DOTA 1 according to this guy Sorry, according to the mousesports website they don't have a Dota1 team. It's 2011, welcome. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:20 sechkie wrote: we would be angry and talk about how coinflippy it is, but also think about this, when mc was on top of the world, he was basically unbeatable (especially so in pvp, his micro was just superb) I think huk has terrible pvp just because of his practice partner level is lower, he can train with puma and idra which are most definitely a large step above axslav and incontrol. i think training with puma and idra really helps his other matchups...but yeah his mirror is suffering cuz of zero quality practice partners. at least with liquid he could play against MC | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
when mouz hasn't had 1 offline championship (yet) That's where you keep losing me. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
STOP TAKING IT SO SERIOUSLY >.< geez why does everything have to turn into an argument + nastiness | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On December 03 2011 09:19 tehemperorer wrote: Funny that both those 1st place wins prompted patches from Blizzard. On December 03 2011 09:16 aviator116 wrote: i notice only two 1st place finishes, so i'll match that with EG just to make it more interesting IEM - idra MLG - huk i could add the asus, but that wasnt that big of a tournament Well EG couldnt beat Slayers while playing against their b-teamers. Mouz didnt manage to beat them either, but at least they played 5-3 against the A-teamers... | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
In 2011, sorry I don't consider Fruitdealer and Tester to be the best in the world anymore. | ||
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