EPTAnyone have an actual source to confirm this?
TL just picked up Zenio
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Greyhawk
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Anyone have an actual source to confirm this? | ||
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http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/m9nbf/zenio_joins_team_liquid/ | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
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One liner thread with the super-spoiled announcement >.< This is only going to make it worse imo. | ||
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the_wiz4rd
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On November 16 2011 21:20 Fionn wrote: I seriously thought the Zenio picture thing was just an obvious red herring. When you do the "silhouette of mysterious person" teaser, the silhouette isn't actually supposed to be the mystery person. Wow, did some do like contrasting to figure that out? It just looked like a silhouette to me = | | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Zenio never forgives...Zenio never forgets.... *EDIT* Artosis-Nazgul wrestling match confirmed for Providence?! Need to promote that shit! | ||
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archonOOid
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:22 archonOOid wrote: is artosis a tl insider? Artosis knows the players. Zenio probably just told him or was told by his many connections in Korea. | ||
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:22 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I knew it, Zenio joining a foreign team makes him one step closer to his long awaited revenge match with Idra... Zenio never forgives...Zenio never forgets.... This is true. | ||
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the_wiz4rd
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:23 nihoh wrote: Did he leave OGS or was kicked out? Or was he transferred Hero-style? He left a while ago because it was mandatory to practice in the oGs house and he didn't want to. | ||
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Netherlands9 Posts
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jvo
United States122 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:24 the_wiz4rd wrote: Gotta feel bad for Nazgul lol announcement came out a day early =( it came out about 5 days early | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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rakuli
Netherlands9 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:26 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Would be awesome... making us all believe it is Zenio they're picking up...It's a trap! This is what they want you to think | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Meant to be for Championship Sunday I bet, says 21st, but I suspect sunday night a lil early. | ||
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United Kingdom1190 Posts
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Wrongspeedy
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Romania525 Posts
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DeadBull
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On November 16 2011 21:24 the_wiz4rd wrote: Gotta feel bad for Nazgul lol announcement came out a day early =( yeah he will be very sad because of this ... | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Incontrol can announce announcements of announcements and never announce anything. Artosis just says whats up immeadiately. They balance each other out. | ||
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France4234 Posts
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Frankon
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On November 16 2011 21:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah, because this thread's totally gonna stay open. Well no point in closing it when it was said live to... God know how many viewers. Artosis ruined the TL anouncment... | ||
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s[O]rry
Canada398 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
IdrA: Just let slip that Zenio is joining TL on GSL broadcast today. Artosis: Why would I do that? I love TL, I love Nazgul, and they should do it on their own. IdrA: You want me to pull of Imbalanced? Artosis: .......... To be honest, I'm surprised EG didn't announce that they're going to announce the sabotage of TL's announcement of an announcement. | ||
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bokchoi
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QNdie
Poland210 Posts
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Fanek
Poland344 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:37 QNdie wrote: I hope artosis is trolling, as if TL needs another zerg. Also, I don't think TL would take in a player kicked off from oGs. why? | ||
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Frankon
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NeWeNiyaLord
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:35 bokchoi wrote: C'mon Artosis, you should know better than to leak that kind of information. Even if everyone had already speculated/come to the conclusion Zenio was joining TL, to just blatantly say it like that is something completely different. I was really hoping it wasn't Zenio, not because Zenio isn't great or because he's kind of a shadow of his former-self, but more or less because TL will now have 3.5 Zergs (Sheth, HayprO, TLO, Zenio), 1.5 Terrans (Jinro, TLO), and 2.5 Protoss (Tyler, HerO, Nazgul). I was hoping they would get a well-performing or up-and-coming Terran player to bolster their Terran ranks. Yeah. I'm not too excited about Zenio to be honest. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:37 QNdie wrote: I hope artosis is trolling, as if TL needs another zerg. Also, I don't think TL would take in a player kicked off from oGs. Was he actually "kicked off" though? As I understood it, they simply parted ways because Zenio wasn't comfortable with the traininf schedule. He wanted to play from home, oGs players are required to stay at the team house. Could be wrong of course. Other than that, I too hope he was trolling but only because it would be the best troll ever and the interwebs would implode :D | ||
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meowmeow-
Germany291 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:33 Telcontar wrote: Ok here's how it went down. Alex Garfield, the chief daddy of EG didn't like TL using mystery breadcrumb announcement techniques since it's their thing. So he asks IdrA to get Artosis to spill the beans by any means necessary. Here's their convo: IdrA: Just let slip that Zenio is joining TL on GSL broadcast today. Artosis: Why would I do that? I love TL, I love Nazgul, and they should do it on their own. IdrA: You want me to pull of Imbalanced? Artosis: .......... To be honest, I'm surprised EG didn't announce that they're going to announce the sabotage of TL's announcement of an announcement. Haha, I all but forgot about Imbalanced, too hilarious. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2333 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:35 bokchoi wrote: C'mon Artosis, you should know better than to leak that kind of information. Even if everyone had already speculated/come to the conclusion Zenio was joining TL, to just blatantly say it like that is something completely different. I was really hoping it wasn't Zenio, not because Zenio isn't great or because he's kind of a shadow of his former-self, but more or less because TL will now have 3.5 Zergs (Sheth, HayprO, TLO, Zenio), 1.5 Terrans (Jinro, TLO), and 2.5 Protoss (Tyler, HerO, Nazgul). I was hoping they would get a well-performing or up-and-coming Terran player to bolster their Terran ranks. Uh, Ret?  | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
Also, Nazgul doesn't count so 5 zergs 2 protoss and a terran. | ||
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lim1017
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
Zenio doesn't want to keep living in the team house, oGs won't allow him to leave whilst on their team, TL solves the issue by adopting Zenio into the TeamLiquid ranks. Not so much a pickup because TL needs more players/ zergs, rather a good opportunity to gain a solid player whilst solving some internal problems  On a sidenote, TL could develop as a Zerg specialists team, hope the players can work together to push Zerg to the next level! | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
yeah, not that interested in zenio, i just wish there were some more foreign terrans who are actually good for me to cheer for Still, a good player, i hope this means he is gonna train harder | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
I dont belive it | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:48 pallad wrote: Woot ? TL never gonna sing up BM player ... and Zenio is BM player for sure... I dont belive it When was zenio BM? | ||
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:46 robih wrote: TL has zergs and zenio isnt even good So your saying haypro's good? | ||
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Sweden4672 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:33 Telcontar wrote: Ok here's how it went down. Alex Garfield, the chief daddy of EG didn't like TL using mystery breadcrumb announcement techniques since it's their thing. So he asks IdrA to get Artosis to spill the beans by any means necessary. Here's their convo: IdrA: Just let slip that Zenio is joining TL on GSL broadcast today. Artosis: Why would I do that? I love TL, I love Nazgul, and they should do it on their own. IdrA: You want me to pull of Imbalanced? Artosis: .......... To be honest, I'm surprised EG didn't announce that they're going to announce the sabotage of TL's announcement of an announcement. To be fair, Artosis saying this while broadcasting the gsl probably gives a wider exposure of this than the annoucement in itself. | ||
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Frankon
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On November 16 2011 21:43 lim1017 wrote: TL has alot of zergs.... They are fighting with Acer for the title of zerg team ^^ | ||
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dc302
Australia576 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:46 robih wrote: TL has zergs and zenio isnt even good Lol? | ||
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Grettin
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
Imo he doesn't fit TL. And i don't consider him that good anyway. And yeah....TL is not place for BM people -_- | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:23 nihoh wrote: Did he leave OGS or was kicked out? Or was he transferred Hero-style? He left | ||
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:56 Gotmog wrote: Meh, i am not pumped about this :/ Imo he doesn't fit TL. And i don't consider him that good anyway. And yeah....TL is not place for BM people -_- When/how was he bm? I didn't know. | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
I actually think it'd be a bigger shock if people just came out and told us rather than these announcements of announcements which are discovered/leaked days before they're supposed to be announced. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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bone577
Australia65 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:56 Gotmog wrote: Meh, i am not pumped about this :/ Imo he doesn't fit TL. And i don't consider him that good anyway. And yeah....TL is not place for BM people -_- Revenge BM against Idra doesn't count. | ||
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Ollie
United States144 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:56 Gotmog wrote: Meh, i am not pumped about this :/ Imo he doesn't fit TL. And i don't consider him that good anyway. And yeah....TL is not place for BM people -_- HuK was on TL. Also, Zenio isn't BM. He's just confident. He's more of an MC than an Idra. | ||
Pandemona
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no EG style countdown/hype for Liquid then ^_^ Looks like Film trailor released today New Shirts Tomorrow Zenio News Monday | ||
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BleaK_
Norway593 Posts
But when Idra left GSL he said something like that he hoped Idra didn't leave because of him creating a rivalry or because something he said. And he's not cute. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
WOOPS! Forgot about Ret.. how could I TT_TT.. Sorry Ret. So 4.5 Zergs: Sheth, HayprO, Ret, TLO, Zenio! Actually, what's interesting though is Zenio will now have the opportunity to TRAIN in the oGs house, but LIVE elsewhere. I think his big problem was he was having difficulty living in a team-house with so many other people? I'm sure oGs has no ill-feelings to Zenio and would gladly welcome him back into the oGs house to train. | ||
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Grettin
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On November 16 2011 22:04 bokchoi wrote: WOOPS! Forgot about Ret.. how could I TT_TT.. Sorry Ret. So 4.5 Zergs: Sheth, HayprO, Ret, TLO, Zenio! Actually, what's interesting though is Zenio will now have the opportunity to TRAIN in the oGs house, but LIVE elsewhere. I think his big problem was he was having difficulty living in a team-house with so many other people? I'm sure oGs has no ill-feelings to Zenio and would gladly welcome him back into the oGs house to train. I doubt he is going back to oGs house. He said he wanted to practice outside of the house. He will still have practice partners, but i don't see him going back. Not to mention, that would be dick move a bit, imo. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:46 robih wrote: TL has zergs and zenio isnt even good LOL. He's one of the best Zergs in the world, what are you talking about? Go look up a number of interviews in which Korean progamers name Zenio among the best of best. Just because he doesn't have sick GSL performances does not mean he "isn't even good". What defines good in your opinion? Is being code S for a consistently long amount of time not count? Not sure if he's code S atm, but I know he was for a very long time. That's something. | ||
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United States553 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:10 OldManZerg wrote: I think the powers that be in the SC2 community should stop with this pre-announcement hype. Just make the fucking announcement. This is the internet--chances are high that you can't keep a lid on it anyways. well it worked before... i think | ||
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bone577
Australia65 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:04 BleaK_ wrote: He is called BM because he created some "rivalry" against Idra in GSL, and said something to create some drama. But that was just on stage (maybe to create some publicity to himself? idk). But when Idra left GSL he said something like that he hoped Idra didn't leave because of him creating a rivalry or because something he said. And he's not cute. No dude, you have it all wrong. Idra would play Korean ladder and disrespect other players (naturally), and he talked smack to Zenio. Zenio of course, doesn't play that shit, he doesn't BM people, but if he is BM'ed he will let the person know how he feels. So Zenio beats Idra in the GSL and does a backhand sign at him for all his disrespect. That isn't BM, that is called not taking shit. I would be glad if he joined TL, he is awesome. | ||
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Poland6595 Posts
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Grettin
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On November 16 2011 22:22 Mattchew wrote: People getting on Artosis about this come on. It's not his responsibility to keep this a secret And who knows if it was on purpose anyway.  | ||
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Jisunsu
Philippines47 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
Cats out of the bag yo | ||
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Sweden16951 Posts
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Gummy
United States2180 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:25 sYnRoscoe wrote: WHAT IF THIS IS A SET UP AND ARTOSIS AND NAZGUL ARE DOING AN INSIDE JOB AND NOW WE EXPECT ZENIO BUT SOMEONE ELSE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO JOIN TEAM LIQUID. That would be a dick move toward Zenio, and there's no reason to do that. | ||
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Longshank
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I like Zenio, he'll be a good addition and will raise the level of the team. He's not a superstar but will do great as a core member. | ||
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
When he played against Idra | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:40 Longshank wrote: Quite a blunder from Artosis but seriously, it serves TL right for pulling one of these announcement of announcement bullshit. Agreed 100%. The SC2 scene really needs to grow out of this nonsense. | ||
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Rafael
Venezuela182 Posts
I don't like Zenio at all. I don't think he is good at all. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:40 Longshank wrote: Quite a blunder from Artosis but seriously, it serves TL right for pulling one of these announcement of announcement bullshit. I like Zenio, he'll be a good addition and will raise the level of the team. He's not a superstar but will do great as a core member. Yeah, it's funny because a lot of threads get closed because they are "announcements of announcements" | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
So he BM'd IdrA back? Big deal | ||
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GMonster
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(TL vs IdrA Rivalry more like it) | ||
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canikizu
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On November 16 2011 21:27 rakuli wrote: Would be awesome... making us all believe it is Zenio they're picking up... Would be awesome if what we thought is the third clue, is actually the 2nd clue. We are anonymous. | ||
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harobi
Germany56 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:46 robih wrote: TL has zergs and zenio isnt even good hahahaha r u serious?? he can beat all liquid zergs easily he is now top 3 player in liquid beside hero and ret/sheth | ||
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Xtreme94
Malaysia282 Posts
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0ne
Spain2464 Posts
I'm not saying it's a big deal, just saying he was as BM as grack. | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Zenio to TL! Sick pickup! | ||
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
Artosis just ruined TL's hype, or maybe it is the world's biggest troll! | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Nevertheless, I hope TL gets more people who aren't zerg for the sake of variety. | ||
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whiteLotus
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Greyhawk
Australia110 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:13 whiteLotus wrote: if its realy true i dont realy see why zenio? tlo zerg,ret zerg, sheth zerg, haypro zerg? why not pick more terrans TLO's 'main' race is actually Terran.. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
He played Zerg @ Battle in Berlin. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
so whats the deal with TLO right now exactly? has he decided to make the switch "permanent?" | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:58 0ne wrote: I'm not saying it's a big deal, just saying he was as BM as grack. So Zenio is as BM as IdrA? I hope it's not what you mean | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:23 PassiveAce wrote: so whats the deal with TLO right now exactly? has he decided to make the switch "permanent?" It's TLO, you can never say it's permanent | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:23 nihoh wrote: Did he leave OGS or was kicked out? Or was he transferred Hero-style? Hmm thought he said he wanted a team there he could practice at home or something earlier | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
Seriously, fuck you and fuck all other Haypro haters. No matter how much you hate on him, he's still a top zerg. Just because he isn't Code S, or wins MLGs it doesn't mean he's a bad player. He is consistantly high in the GM league and does relatively good in tournaments. Go with your hate to players who are more deserving of it. Or even better, don't hate on players who are ten times as good as you are. User was warned for this post | ||
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:29 Elem wrote: I don't care if I'll get warned/banned, ugh. Seriously, fuck you and fuck all other Haypro haters. No matter how much you hate on him, he's still a top zerg. Just because he isn't Code S, or wins MLGs it doesn't mean he's a bad player. He is consistantly high in the GM league and does relatively good in tournaments. Go with your hate to players who are more deserving of it. Or even better, don't hate on players who are ten times as good as you are. I agree. There is a reason Haypro is still seeded in the top 20 of MLG. Hes freaking awesome. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:29 Elem wrote: I don't care if I'll get warned/banned, ugh. Seriously, fuck you and fuck all other Haypro haters. No matter how much you hate on him, he's still a top zerg. Just because he isn't Code S, or wins MLGs it doesn't mean he's a bad player. He is consistantly high in the GM league and does relatively good in tournaments. Go with your hate to players who are more deserving of it. Or even better, don't hate on players who are ten times as good as you are. I don't think he tried to "insult" Haypro. He was replying to some guy saying Zenio is not good by comparing him to Haypro. Obviously he could have said that in a better way | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:23 PassiveAce wrote: so whats the deal with TLO right now exactly? has he decided to make the switch "permanent?" he hasent decided yet, he might stay terran or he might go zerg, or he will go race-picker. | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:31 Crais wrote: I agree. There is a reason Haypro is still seeded in the top 20 of MLG. Hes freaking awesome. It's worth noting that incontrol is ranked #21 of MLG as well....just saying... | ||
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colingrad
United States210 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:23 PassiveAce wrote: so whats the deal with TLO right now exactly? has he decided to make the switch "permanent?" TLO said that he plans to play both terran and zerg in tournaments | ||
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:33 striderxxx wrote: It's worth noting that incontrol is ranked #21 of MLG as well....just saying... True he is, but he also earned that spot. That is MLG's system, it rewards people who go to every MLG. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:31 Crais wrote: I agree. There is a reason Haypro is still seeded in the top 20 of MLG. Hes freaking awesome. I'm not trying to be offensive to anybody here, but Haypro is in the top 20 of MLG for the same reason iNcontroL is still #21 after 0-5ing his way at every after Dallas. | ||
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Netherlands219 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:29 Elem wrote: I don't care if I'll get warned/banned, ugh. Seriously, fuck you and fuck all other Haypro haters. No matter how much you hate on him, he's still a top zerg. Just because he isn't Code S, or wins MLGs it doesn't mean he's a bad player. He is consistantly high in the GM league and does relatively good in tournaments. Go with your hate to players who are more deserving of it. Or even better, don't hate on players who are ten times as good as you are. personally skill has no reflection on comparing pros or even bashing them. I can say X player sucks, but will they still be able to beat me in a sc2 game? of course they will because they are a pro player. are they a mediocre pro compared to other big shots or heavy hitters? yes. sometimes the pro player just can't seem to compete or even play well. | ||
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Germany3075 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:35 VirgilSC2 wrote: HayprO is not carried by one superstrong finish (with no koreans and superlucky group.) He is there because he managed to get a relatively consistence with his finishes. Not many remember how he almost beat several korean players in series, too. I'm not trying to be offensive to anybody here, but Haypro is in the top 20 of MLG for the same reason iNcontroL is still #21 after 0-5ing his way at every after Dallas. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:38 Bobster wrote: 5 Zergs. 2 Terrans, 1 Protoss 2 Protoss, tyler to ^^ | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
Why do you assume he forgot Tyler. Maybe he forgot HerO ! | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Liquid.Zenio!!!!!! | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:35 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm not trying to be offensive to anybody here, but Haypro is in the top 20 of MLG for the same reason iNcontroL is still #21 after 0-5ing his way at every after Dallas. Indeed. If you want to convince someone Haypro is good, showing them his MLG results is not the way to go. They're not particularly bad, but not particularly good either. The people that hate on haypro are the kind that can't see past tournament results, and deem it fit to judge a player based entirely on whether they've won a GSL or not. It's silly. edit: Oh, and for those wondering, Zenio and oGs parted ways due to some team-house issues, so this would not be like the HerO thing. | ||
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Roybs
Netherlands500 Posts
LiquidJinro Jonathan Walsh Im a movie star yo. teamliquidpro.com/news/2011/11/1… Oh. Liquid documentary trailer, might feature some other TLers... like... EVERYONE! So.. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:35 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm not trying to be offensive to anybody here, but Haypro is in the top 20 of MLG for the same reason iNcontroL is still #21 after 0-5ing his way at every after Dallas. lol you must be retarded, there is a clear difference between Incontrol and Haypro. Haypro actuallty wins games at MLG¨s where incontrols dosent, Haypros placements have been pretty good in the majority of the MLGs. He placed top 10 columbus, top 16 Anaheim, top 16 Orlando. And also when he loses games, its never that he gets outplayed (except MKP last MLG). User was warned for this post | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:48 Roybs wrote: I'm sorry if it has been posted before, but: LiquidJinro Jonathan Walsh Im a movie star yo. teamliquidpro.com/news/2011/11/1… Oh. Liquid documentary trailer, might feature some other TLers... like... EVERYONE! So.. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284814 Front page | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Don't tell casters anything. | ||
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ALPINA
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jazzyjazz
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On November 16 2011 23:33 striderxxx wrote: It's worth noting that incontrol is ranked #21 of MLG as well....just saying... If it wasn't for the broken ranking system, I'd reckon Incontrol would probably be in top 5 in MLG rankings. Incontrol is a beast! | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:29 Elem wrote: I don't care if I'll get warned/banned, ugh. Seriously, fuck you and fuck all other Haypro haters. No matter how much you hate on him, he's still a top zerg. Just because he isn't Code S, or wins MLGs it doesn't mean he's a bad player. He is consistantly high in the GM league and does relatively good in tournaments. Go with your hate to players who are more deserving of it. Or even better, don't hate on players who are ten times as good as you are. In which universe he is a top zerg? Maybe some parallel one, because in this world he sucks. Code S? Are you joking? He isn't even Code B. You might call him a top zerg if You mean like top 30 EU. "Relatively good in tournaments"? Name one of them. The only reason he even plays at the MLG is becuse he earned enough points to get seed, otherwise he wouldn't make it through the open bracket. I like him but he ain't a top level player. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:00 CDR wrote: In which universe he is a top zerg? Maybe some parallel one, because in this world he sucks. Code S? Are you joking? He isn't even Code B. You might call him a top zerg if You mean like top 30 EU. "Relatively good in tournaments"? Name one of them. The only reason he even plays at the MLG is becuse he earned enough points to get seed, otherwise he wouldn't make it through the open bracket. I like him but he ain't a top level player. Just a quick note here, there is not an actual level of play/tournament called "Code B" that one might qualify for, it's just what tastosis call the qualifiers for Code A. Which are open. In other words, everyone who shows up at a certain mall in Korea is "Code B" level. This, along with saying he "sucks" is not the most desirable way you might wish to start off your post. And again, being a top player isn't entirely defined by your results in major tournaments. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:31 Crais wrote: I agree. There is a reason Haypro is still seeded in the top 20 of MLG. Hes freaking awesome. Oh boy, let's not go there. x-x Anyway, it's Artosis guys. What did you expect? He blurts out all kinds of stuff with little to no thought. ^-^ | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:03 marttorn wrote: Just a quick note here, there is not an actual level of play/tournament called "Code B" that one might qualify for, it's just what tastosis call the qualifiers for Code A. Which are open. In other words, everyone who shows up at a certain mall in Korea is "Code B" level. This, along with saying he "sucks" is not the most desirable way you might wish to start off your post. And again, being a top player isn't entirely defined by your results in major tournaments. Yep, I know what a Code B is. And he still ain't on that level. So what defines a top player if not tournament results? Ladder? Nope. Fan base? Nope. So what? My belief that he is a top player? Nope. I'm not talking about major tournaments like MLG or DH, because they are out of his league. But he doesn't have _any_ results. Not even from daily Zotac or GO4SC2. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:03 marttorn wrote: Just a quick note here, there is not an actual level of play/tournament called "Code B" that one might qualify for, it's just what tastosis call the qualifiers for Code A. Which are open. In other words, everyone who shows up at a certain mall in Korea is "Code B" level. This, along with saying he "sucks" is not the most desirable way you might wish to start off your post. And again, being a top player isn't entirely defined by your results in major tournaments. You can't really say a top player isn't defined by results in major tournament when that is what everyone really bases skill on. Idra losing to a random terran in his best matchup? slump. MC going down to code B? slump. incontrol/machine/axslav/tyler/haypro etc. not showing really any results at all? not that good of pros. The reason idra/mc are slumping is because we know they have the potential of getting good results, and other pros we just don't know. | ||
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:00 CDR wrote: In which universe he is a top zerg? Maybe some parallel one, because in this world he sucks. Code S? Are you joking? He isn't even Code B. You might call him a top zerg if You mean like top 30 EU. "Relatively good in tournaments"? Name one of them. The only reason he even plays at the MLG is becuse he earned enough points to get seed, otherwise he wouldn't make it through the open bracket. I like him but he ain't a top level player. In the universe where he beats Boxer 2-1 and Sjow 2-0 in the last couple of MLG's... Oh wait, it's this one. Name even 10 zergs that's better than Haypro in Europe? Dimaga, Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, maybe Orly? And oh yeah, the other guy didn't say he was in Code S. Ofc he's a top level player, he's top ~30 foreigner overall imo. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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Tweleve
United States644 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:10 pAzand wrote: In the universe where he beats Boxer 2-1 and Sjow 2-0 in the last couple of MLG's... Oh wait, it's this one. Name even 10 zergs that's better than Haypro in Europe? Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, maybe Orly? And oh yeah, the other guy didn't say he was in Code S. Ofc he's a top level player, he's top ~30 foreigner overall imo. How can you forget Dimaga | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
On November 16 2011 23:59 jazzyjazz wrote: If it wasn't for the broken ranking system, I'd reckon Incontrol would probably be in top 5 in MLG rankings. Incontrol is a beast! I'm trying to figure out a way to convey that thing where you open your mouth to start to respond, but words fail you, and then you do it again, but still you just can't figure out how to answer, so you just stand there with a confused look on your face. There is no emoticon up to the task, so you'll just have to imagine my face based on that description. I'm a huge iNcontroL fan, and it's no insult to him to say that there's no rational ranking system that would put him in the MLG top 5 given his results. | ||
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
I've got no idea, he's my favourite zerg player overall... Got no excuse | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:17 AmericanUmlaut wrote: I'm trying to figure out a way to convey that thing where you open your mouth to start to respond, but words fail you, and then you do it again, but still you just can't figure out how to answer, so you just stand there with a confused look on your face. There is no emoticon up to the task, so you'll just have to imagine my face based on that description. I'm a huge iNcontroL fan, and it's no insult to him to say that there's no rational ranking system that would put him in the MLG top 5 given his results. Or maybe he's not serious | ||
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ObliviousNA
United States535 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:20 Fionn wrote: I seriously thought the Zenio picture thing was just an obvious red herring. When you do the "silhouette of mysterious person" teaser, the silhouette isn't actually supposed to be the mystery person. You should have seen the HOTS preview for the battle hellion... someone drew it in almost verbatim, just from the shadow'd outline. oh man, hero and zenio? they're going to major contenders... up there with mouz/EG | ||
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Crais
Canada2136 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:06 StarStruck wrote: Oh boy, let's not go there. x-x Anyway, it's Artosis guys. What did you expect? He blurts out all kinds of stuff with little to no thought. ^-^ Hey I can be a Haypro fanboy if I want The Zenio thing was figured out so quickly, the tread didn't even have time to explode P | ||
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Funshines
Canada86 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:16 Spicy_Curry wrote: They obviously got Zenio to foster the TL-EG rivalry. He is the anti-idra rofl. Anti-idra or not, i wonder if he can "dominate" Idra in ZvZ anymore. Idra is pretty solid, but on the otherhand so is(or was) Zenio as far as i remember. | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:10 pAzand wrote: In the universe where he beats Boxer 2-1 and Sjow 2-0 in the last couple of MLG's... Oh wait, it's this one. Name even 10 zergs that's better than Haypro in Europe? Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, maybe Orly? And oh yeah, the other guy didn't say he was in Code S. Ofc he's a top level player, he's top ~30 foreigner overall imo. Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, HappyZerg aka Slavik, Snute... That's 10. He only plays at the MLG because he earned a seed, otherwise he wouldn't play even there. I can't even measure his skill level, because he doesn't participate in any tournaments. Wow, he won a bo3 with Boxer and Sjow, amazing. Any other important wins against top lvl players? Nope, he lost even with Machine. Top 30 foreign, lol. TLPD rank - 209th :D And absolutely no results. But yeah, he is on Team Liquid, he must be a top player! | ||
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MuK_x
743 Posts
HerO,Jinro,Zenio,ret/sheth is solid roster. but need another terran player~ | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:28 CDR wrote: Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, HappyZerg aka Slavik, Snute... That's 10. He only plays at the MLG because he earned a seed, otherwise he wouldn't play even there. I can't even measure his skill level, because he doesn't participate in any tournaments. Wow, he won a bo3 with Boxer and Sjow, amazing. Any other important wins against top lvl players? Nope, he lost even with Machine. Top 30 foreign, lol. TLPD rank - 209th :D And absolutely no results. But yeah, he is on Team Liquid, he must be a top player! Very knowledgeable, ur very thin knowledge of what defines skill amazes me *trollface* If its true grats to Zenio :D HuK left (Idra's other rival) so now we need Liquid to have another Idra Rival!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
But anyway, good pick up. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:28 CDR wrote: Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, HappyZerg aka Slavik, Snute... That's 10. He only plays at the MLG because he earned a seed, otherwise he wouldn't play even there. I can't even measure his skill level, because he doesn't participate in any tournaments. Wow, he won a bo3 with Boxer and Sjow, amazing. Any other important wins against top lvl players? Nope, he lost even with Machine. Top 30 foreign, lol. TLPD rank - 209th :D And absolutely no results. But yeah, he is on Team Liquid, he must be a top player! So, any notable results from Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, Slavik and Snute? Not talking about online weeklies. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:22 archonOOid wrote: is artosis a tl insider? No, he just reads reddit. Don't take his word as a guarantee of anything. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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bootyclapthunder
United States82 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:23 nihoh wrote: Did he leave OGS or was kicked out? Or was he transferred Hero-style? He didn't want to live in the team house for whatever reason, so he probably tried to switch and allow for more leniency. | ||
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brian2sk8t
United States192 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:41 Zzoram wrote: Disappointing. I was really hoping for a Terran, not a Code B Zerg. Lol, until recently he was Code S, but k... | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:28 CDR wrote: Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, HappyZerg aka Slavik, Snute... That's 10. He only plays at the MLG because he earned a seed, otherwise he wouldn't play even there. I can't even measure his skill level, because he doesn't participate in any tournaments. Wow, he won a bo3 with Boxer and Sjow, amazing. Any other important wins against top lvl players? Nope, he lost even with Machine. Top 30 foreign, lol. TLPD rank - 209th :D And absolutely no results. But yeah, he is on Team Liquid, he must be a top player! That isn't very convincing at all. First, TLPD rank isn't really meaningful or the so-called top foreigners like Huk, Idra, Select, Naniwa, etc. would all be at the top and they aren't. Actually, some pretty silly players are in the top 50. And what have Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, and Snute done? I haven't seen them at any major tournaments and haven't heard of them winning anything. Maybe they have a few online cup titles, but that's entirely meaningless. Haypro isn't really that good, but I'd absolutely put him above half the players you listed. | ||
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thesideshow
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Zenio left the team house because he wanted to train from home. oGs doesn't allow that. Now that he's on Liquid, there is that probability that he actually wants to go back to the team house and train. Where does that motivation come from? And this coincides with another new recruit joining oGs! Kidding, of course. | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:33 pAzand wrote: So, any notable results from Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, Slavik and Snute? Not talking about online weeklies. Constant results in online weeklies with top eu players > getting owned at the MLG. EOT from my side, unless you have any evidence that haypro is a top lvl player, other that 2 BO3 during last year. BTW I wonder what is wrong with people here, who claim that Destiny, Incontrol, Haypro or other "I don't have any results but I'm popular" players are top lvl foreigners. | ||
TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:28 CDR wrote: Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, HappyZerg aka Slavik, Snute... That's 10. He only plays at the MLG because he earned a seed, otherwise he wouldn't play even there. I can't even measure his skill level, because he doesn't participate in any tournaments. Wow, he won a bo3 with Boxer and Sjow, amazing. Any other important wins against top lvl players? Nope, he lost even with Machine. Top 30 foreign, lol. TLPD rank - 209th :D And absolutely no results. But yeah, he is on Team Liquid, he must be a top player! Why do you not name Darkforce?! He is pretty good. | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:47 TheOneAboveU wrote: Why do you not name Darkforce?! He is pretty good. Yep, my mistake. | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:28 CDR wrote: Stephano, Nerchio, Ret, Morrow, Dimaga, Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, HappyZerg aka Slavik, Snute... That's 10. He only plays at the MLG because he earned a seed, otherwise he wouldn't play even there. I can't even measure his skill level, because he doesn't participate in any tournaments. Wow, he won a bo3 with Boxer and Sjow, amazing. Any other important wins against top lvl players? Nope, he lost even with Machine. Top 30 foreign, lol. TLPD rank - 209th :D And absolutely no results. But yeah, he is on Team Liquid, he must be a top player! Quite a few are better then him but half of the zergs you have written down aren't better then him. Online tournaments =/= lan. And even then lots of them are worse then him I think, but that's not objectively compareable. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:43 CDR wrote: Constant results in online weeklies with top eu players > getting owned at the MLG. EOT from my side, unless you have any evidence that haypro is a top lvl player, other that 2 BO3 during last year. BTW I wonder what is wrong with people here, who claim that Destiny, Incontrol, Haypro or other "I don't have any results but I'm popular" players are top lvl foreigners. No one is saying Destiny, Incontrol, or Haypro are top-level. We're saying they're at the same level if not better than those no-names you listed off. Idra is top-level. Huk is top-level. Stephano is top-level. None of that is being contested. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10705 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:42 hmunkey wrote: That isn't very convincing at all. First, TLPD rank isn't really meaningful or the so-called top foreigners like Huk, Idra, Select, Naniwa, etc. would all be at the top and they aren't. Actually, some pretty silly players are in the top 50. And what have Paranoid, Tefel, Delphi, and Snute done? I haven't seen them at any major tournaments and haven't heard of them winning anything. Maybe they have a few online cup titles, but that's entirely meaningless. Haypro isn't really that good, but I'd absolutely put him above half the players you listed. Ahm. TLPD is pretty good? Right now i look at the top five and who do i see there? Stephano, Mana, Sase, idra, Kas... What else do you want? Players that haven't done anything in ages showing up just because you like them or what? BTW: Howis winning a few online titles meaningless while winning nothing AND not placing high at live events (MLG, thanks to its format, counts for shit at this, at least for the rest of this season) AND not winning these online cups when participating counts for something? In what world do you actually live? | ||
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Perfect
United States322 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:42 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Lol, until recently he was Code S, but k... My mistake, I thought he fell off harder than he did. | ||
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O3
Singapore99 Posts
He is probably stabbing himself for this freudian slip. Can't wait for the reveal plus the new jerseys!! | ||
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:43 CDR wrote: Constant results in online weeklies with top eu players > getting owned at the MLG. EOT from my side, unless you have any evidence that haypro is a top lvl player, other that 2 BO3 during last year. BTW I wonder what is wrong with people here, who claim that Destiny, Incontrol, Haypro or other "I don't have any results but I'm popular" players are top lvl foreigners. If you acctually watch Haypro play you wouldn't put him in the same category as Incontrol and Destiny (who I haven't mentioned, why bring 'em up?)... Haypro didn't get owned last MLG you silly tool. 1-2 vs Idra and losses vs Marineking and Polt isn't shameful results for a top foreigner zerg by any means. He won against Boxer, Drewbie and TLO who all are decent players (Boxer way above decent). Edit: Oh and notable results overall? He's one of the only foreigners that acctually got to Code A via the offline qualifiers. He's consistently not making a fool of himself at MLG and you know what? Stephano lost against Boxer the day after Haypro beat him, that must mean Stephano is worse with your logic. Watch him play, he's a top player but haven't showed any major wins lately but you know what? It's freaking hard to win MLG if you haven't noticed. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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LovE-
United States1963 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:49 Perfect wrote: I would love to see an official thread Here is a "official" thread, since NOTHING has been announced or confirmed yet. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:53 pAzand wrote: If you acctually watch Haypro play you wouldn't put him in the same category as Incontrol and Destiny (who I haven't mentioned, why bring 'em up?)... Haypro didn't get owned last MLG you silly tool. 1-2 vs Idra and losses vs Marineking and Polt isn't shameful results for a top foreigner zerg by any means. He won against Boxer, Drewbie and TLO who all are decent players (Boxer way above decent). Not just that but he has consistently been winning games in group play. He's no where close to other players who go 0-5 every time and get by on one lucky run earlier. He's never gone 0-5 in any MLG. He's placed second in his group behind only Losira and then 3rd the most recent MLG behind Idra and MKP. While in it self not fantastic results, defenitly nothing to be ashamed of. And infinitly more impressive than half the names CDR mentioned. | ||
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Surriel
United Kingdom198 Posts
Speaking of which Jinro has been really quiet recently, I hope to see more from him soon. | ||
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Josri
Netherlands219 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:58 Grettin wrote: Here is a "official" thread, since NOTHING has been announced or confirmed yet. Official thread will be made on the 21th. | ||
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tossuaway
United States107 Posts
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:53 pAzand wrote: If you acctually watch Haypro play you wouldn't put him in the same category as Incontrol and Destiny (who I haven't mentioned, why bring 'em up?)... Haypro didn't get owned last MLG you silly tool. 1-2 vs Idra and losses vs Marineking and Polt isn't shameful results for a top foreigner zerg by any means. He won against Boxer, Drewbie and TLO who all are decent players (Boxer way above decent). Yep, Drewbie and TLO are decent. That's why MKP took Drewbie so seriously that he nuked his own army. Losses vs MKP and Polt aren't shameful for a top players, neither they are for a midtier Haypro. So Your point is that Haypro is a top foreign zerg because he has beaten Drewbie and TLO, who are as bad as he is, won 1 bo3 with Boxer and lost to Idra, MKP and Polt. How is that logic? Losing to MKP proves anything (who was fooling around with people like Haypro)? Any of players that I mentioned would beat TLO and Drewbie or won 1 bo3 with Boxer. I would love to watch Haypro play, but he ain't playing in any tournaments and I don't care about his ladder stream. I bring'em up to show a pattern of typical TL user thought process. | ||
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Elite__
Canada976 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
On November 17 2011 00:53 pAzand wrote: If you acctually watch Haypro play you wouldn't put him in the same category as Incontrol and Destiny (who I haven't mentioned, why bring 'em up?)... Haypro didn't get owned last MLG you silly tool. 1-2 vs Idra and losses vs Marineking and Polt isn't shameful results for a top foreigner zerg by any means. He won against Boxer, Drewbie and TLO who all are decent players (Boxer way above decent). Edit: Oh and notable results overall? He's one of the only foreigners that acctually got to Code A via the offline qualifiers. He's consistently not making a fool of himself at MLG and you know what? Stephano lost against Boxer the day after Haypro beat him, that must mean Stephano is worse with your logic. Watch him play, he's a top player but haven't showed any major wins lately but you know what? It's freaking hard to win MLG if you haven't noticed. BUT HE HASN'T WON GO4SC2#86243! Seriously, though. Hayder takes games off Koreans. He's a top-teir player by any reasonable definition. And you can't discount his placing in the top 16 of the MLG rankigns this year. Plenty of other players have gone to all of the events but not placed as well as he did. While he never finished in the top of his group, he consistently won games and maintained his position unlike other players. He's solid but thus far unspectacular. Why people got to bag on him constantly? On November 17 2011 01:05 CDR wrote:Any of players that I mentioned would beat TLO and Drewbie or won 1 bo3 with Boxer. Based on what, your intuition? Common, guy. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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FunnelC4kes
Ireland462 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:08 Arcanne wrote: Haypro really hijacked this thread Seriously, can't we get back on the "Thanks for the spoiler, Artosis!" bandwagon? Not because I love calling out his goof, but that's what this thread is about. Not "who is such and such player better or worse than?" | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Nicely played, Liquid. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:21 TehTemplar wrote: So, is there any actual proof of this event occuring? Ya, if you have a GSL account and were watching or if you have your GSL account and watch the VODS. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44327 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:21 TehTemplar wrote: So, is there any actual proof of this event occuring? Well Artosis clearly said it during the GSL today, but as far as him telling the truth/ trolling us/ being mistaken goes, that's still to be determined. TL will make an announcement, surely | ||
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Mr.X
Spain115 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6668/zenw.jpg) Full Size | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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Al Bundy
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StarStruck
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
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Johnnybb
Denmark486 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:29 Proko wrote: Artosis always spilling the beans. They can't tell him anything anymore. This is why Artosis couldn't have nice things But guys, we're missing the main part of the announcement New shirts! | ||
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chokke
Norway228 Posts
Since he was becoming a really solid zerg. | ||
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Frail
Iceland336 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:42 mark05 wrote: won't take long before his kid knows santa doesnt exist I lol'd! Seriously though, if this is true I doubt Nazgul will be that happy with it. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:42 mark05 wrote: won't take long before his kid knows santa doesnt exist Wait a minute... He doesnt? | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
Never expected it to fit perfectly! 0.o | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:29 Proko wrote: Artosis always spilling the beans. They can't tell him anything anymore. Can't help but thinking about the "Artosis gonna be a father" topic. j/k | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:42 mark05 wrote: won't take long before his kid knows santa doesnt exist Did you see the Day[9] Funday Monday where he finds out he ruined some kids Christmas? That was the funniest thing I've ever seen. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:00 VirgilSC2 wrote: Did you see the Day[9] Funday Monday where he finds out he ruined some kids Christmas? That was the funniest thing I've ever seen. Yeah I saw that, made me laugh for a while. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
Still funny that Artosis leaked it too. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:12 ThaZenith wrote: This was leaked awhile ago on reddit, someone matched the silhouette with the zenio pic it was from. Still funny that Artosis leaked it too. It got matched here in the pre-announcement thread days ago as well, and I think Artosis might just have seen that, I don't think he's a credible source on this one. | ||
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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
On November 17 2011 01:05 CDR wrote: Yep, Drewbie and TLO are decent. That's why MKP took Drewbie so seriously that he nuked his own army. Losses vs MKP and Polt aren't shameful for a top players, neither they are for a midtier Haypro. So Your point is that Haypro is a top foreign zerg because he has beaten Drewbie and TLO, who are as bad as he is, won 1 bo3 with Boxer and lost to Idra, MKP and Polt. How is that logic? Losing to MKP proves anything (who was fooling around with people like Haypro)? Any of players that I mentioned would beat TLO and Drewbie or won 1 bo3 with Boxer. I would love to watch Haypro play, but he ain't playing in any tournaments and I don't care about his ladder stream. I bring'em up to show a pattern of typical TL user thought process. Yeah well, Stephano didn't win against The Emperor like I mentioned before.. And I said he's made good MLG runs as a foreigner, the only people placing consistently higher than him are what? Like Idra, Huk, Naniwa, Sase, Ret? You can't just make assumptions when you're debating player skill, that's retarded. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:04 GreEny K wrote: Yeah I saw that, made me laugh for a while. Does someone have a link to that? I wanna watch it again. | ||
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GettingIt
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ePBuckets
Canada207 Posts
i wish HongUn was coming to TL | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:18 Count9 wrote: Does someone have a link to that? I wanna watch it again. Really funny he feels so bad about that, i hope he dose not put banelings in my stocking next year. Here is the link to the youtube clip. slip ups happen im sure no one on Liquid is to angry about the whole thing, lets face it we are all still going to freak out when the official announcement is made. Plus we still have the new jersey to look forward to. Cool tip and all but you never know for sure. | ||
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Lugia101
United States24 Posts
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SaYyId
Portugal277 Posts
you dun fucked up. it was supposed to be a secret!!111 lol | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:23 Bojas wrote: Yeah, if we are lucky it's all conspiracy - Zenio's silhouette was used to deceive us, and then Artosis threw it in to further lead us in the wrong direction. Or, it's just what it is, Zenio leaves oGs, joins TL, seems the most reasonable transition. We'll see, I guess we can't be 100% sure until official announcement. Imagine Artosis says this just to see if the internet would explode, and he's now at a computer browsing TL and reddit with Tasteless, giggling. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
TLO is thinking of switching back to zerg and is practicing it a lot, so if he makes the switch, the team will have 2 toss, 1 terran, and 5 zergs (with Zenio). | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:23 nihoh wrote: Did he leave OGS or was kicked out? Or was he transferred Hero-style? He left ogs because he couldn't stand the living conditions in the team house, other than his dedicated former team mates. As a gift, he can now join liquid and fly all over the world to participate in major tournaments! | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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Iksf
United Kingdom444 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On November 17 2011 04:41 Iksf wrote: How good in Zenio these days? I mean I know he fell out of code S but he did silly allins most games, havn't seen a "proper" game from him in a while Watch on monday, he is playing his Code A matches. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I guess he rubbed me the wrong way with the whole grack thing. Not to mention his game with hongun was a complete trainwreck. I hope he becomes better/more likable. I do want to support all liquid players. | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
the picture was figured out to be zenio, he left ogs... | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:19 makrillR wrote: Speculations on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/m9nbf/zenio_joins_team_liquid/ no one cares about reddit plenty of good threads here on it | ||
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bobthebo
101 Posts
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Kavdragon
United States1251 Posts
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cscarfo1
United States307 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
anyone BMing idra is cool | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
On November 17 2011 03:00 VirgilSC2 wrote: Did you see the Day[9] Funday Monday where he finds out he ruined some kids Christmas? That was the funniest thing I've ever seen. no i have not! any chance you know the # of the daily? | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:09 T0fuuu wrote: Damned... really wanted liquidmoon but zenio is a good pickup. There's no way Liquid could justify the amount they'd have to spend to get Moon. | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
I would say it was "likely" but then im damn sure i saw someone post zenio had been picked up by another team like 2 days ago lol. I will wait for the proper announcement myself to avoid looking a fool | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
I'm down for it. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:48 Capped wrote: You guys are all going on artosis' word, i wouldnt feel so confident...unless theres any solid proof by now? I would say it was "likely" but then im damn sure i saw someone post zenio had been picked up by another team like 2 days ago lol. I will wait for the proper announcement myself to avoid looking a fool The other team was most likely Liquid too, it was a reddit thread, what 3 days ago? Probably you took a glimpse at that. | ||
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MentalGNT
Denmark1264 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:25 Juanald wrote: wow liquid and eg are taking all the best zergs foreign and worldwide, i was really expecting Liquid to take moONGlAdE but zenio is a great 2nd choice.. liquid and EG should do a zvz starleague can u imagine Haypro Rat Sheth Zenio vs Idra Strifecrow LzGaMeR Machine ... Waiting!!! I wouldn't watch that honestly lol. For the news: I think it's awesome. Zenio seems like a person with a fun personality. And he's not a bad player either. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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ClaytonBigsby
Uganda35 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:41 Ruscour wrote: There's no way Liquid could justify the amount they'd have to spend to get Moon. Yeah... Moon actually had the highest salary in eSports history with Wemade, if I remember correctly, I doubt he'd be joining any team that doesn't give a really good pay anytime soon. Liquid seems to be quite focused on the "family" aspect of their team, and I don't think they're the type to just recruit a player because he's just really good, or because he's had a lot of results recently. Historically, it seems they've focused more on aspiring players, or otherwise not very well established ones that they (or Nazgul I suppose) have seen potential in. | ||
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Jaxtyk
United States600 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
But I guess this fits considering how many forum users here seem to be Zerg | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:53 BansheeDK wrote: I wouldn't watch that honestly lol. For the news: I think it's awesome. Zenio seems like a person with a fun personality. And he's not a bad player either. well ya mirror matchups can get quite boring but the excitement of the best zergs putting it all on the line to prove there #1 would make it an event wotrh watching. theres a lot of grudge matches to take place to idra and zenio became a rival in an oldschool game wehre zenio won the series using overseers only... it would be an epic rematch !~ | ||
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Serendipityx
United States595 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:34 Juanald wrote: well ya mirror matchups can get quite boring but the excitement of the best zergs putting it all on the line to prove there #1 would make it an event wotrh watching. theres a lot of grudge matches to take place to idra and zenio became a rival in an oldschool game wehre zenio won the series using overseers only... it would be an epic rematch !~ Zenio and Idra already had their rematch last NASL where zenio crushed Idra once again. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:46 Ben... wrote: Not shocked after the previous speculation. Liquid is getting to be a scary team. I just hope this isn't to replace someone leaving the team (which I doubt since they have a documentary featuring the team coming out). Yeah, seeing that was a huge relief to me. To be honest I'd keep this team until they're all like 80 years old or something. I don't care about anything else. | ||
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courtpanda
866 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:53 gogogadgetflow wrote: When is liquid going to pick up another terran. Zergs are a little imba on tl now zerg is imba everywhere except korea. i.e. idra, stephano, ret, darkforce, sheth, dimaga etc. for the most part, zerg dominates europe. i think dustin browder at blizzcon said zerg had a very high winrate in high MMR EU server. im confused on how the transaction for zenio went down. oGs and TL have a great relationship, so why didn't they just transfer zenio? why did he leave and then join liquid? | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
and additionally to that he is NOT bm.....wtf why cant dumb people just be quiet? ... anyways, if this is true, congrats to TL for picking up another monster after hero....but then mb you can start think about replacing tyler with another protoss (hate me for that IDC, he isnt nony anymore, and he isnt a top pro anymore. just losing left and right, slacking off and....you know) | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
gl to tl and zenio! | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:06 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: I'm sure TL has a plan, I just cant see it yet. Atleast not for Zenio. He's good but not that good =o and another clueless random user talking about zenios skill/ you dont have any idea how good he is....go and talk somwhere else about something else you mb have an idea of | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:59 gwaihir wrote: wtf why cant dumb people just be quiet? ... ...Shh Will be interested to see how this all pans out to be honest, im thinking its all trollin' :-D You know that the sillhoute (Sorry, cant spell it, cba to google) could jus tbe pure coincidence, or they just "used" a picture that suited... | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:08 Capped wrote: ...Shh Will be interested to see how this all pans out to be honest, im thinking its all trollin' :-D You know that the sillhoute (Sorry, cant spell it, cba to google) could jus tbe pure coincidence, or they just "used" a picture that suited... you have a reason for calling me dumb? or are you just one of those kids flaming randomly? | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:02 jinixxx123 wrote: Zenio is really good, he just hasn't been showcased nearly as much as most of the other Koreans. He was in Code S for a long time.why zenio though? he has like no potential.. With HERO the guy is full of raw talent and will go somewhere, but zenio has pretty much run his course already. | ||
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HowardRoark
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:12 Ben... wrote: Zenio is really good, he just hasn't been showcased nearly as much as most of the other Koreans. He was in Code S for a long time. He was in code S when there weren't as many scary Terrans. He hasn't done well in GSL in a looong time. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:17 ninjamyst wrote: He was in code S when there weren't as many scary Terrans. He hasn't done well in GSL in a looong time. still better than any other liquid member expect hero mb | ||
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StimMarine
723 Posts
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
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rolfe
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:16 HowardRoark wrote: How is Zenio's English? i don't have a proper source for this but i think i remember huk saying a long time ago that he had some of the best english out of the koreans | ||
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gladsheim
Australia676 Posts
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aut0mati0n
United States97 Posts
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Lamphead
Canada241 Posts
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
On November 16 2011 21:29 Wrongspeedy wrote: YES TL just got its Badness back. They were lacking after Huk left, every other Liquid member is soft and cuddly. Jinro is soft and cuddly??? Who would want to meet jinro in a dark alley? | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:32 SoulSever wrote: Jinro is soft and cuddly??? Who would want to meet jinro in a dark alley? Anyone who'd go totally homo for him (maybe his fans? I don't mean this in any negative way) | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:02 jinixxx123 wrote: why zenio though? he has like no potential.. With HERO the guy is full of raw talent and will go somewhere, but zenio has pretty much run his course already. Lol I don`t even want to know how you came to that conclusion that he has no potential left. I guess he should just pack his bags and leave the scene because you said so. If anything Zenio has the most potential on teamliquid. | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:41 Kluey wrote: What people don't understand is that Artosis might be trolling us real hard. Is unlikely but can be possible. That's what people said about Husky leaking Huk joining EG, so I'm near 100% sure that the Zenio rumor is true. I was never that much of a fan of Zenio, so I'm kinda meh on this, but Liquid is Liquid, so supporting 'em all the way. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:38 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: That's what people said about Husky leaking Huk joining EG, so I'm near 100% sure that the Zenio rumor is true. I was never that much of a fan of Zenio, so I'm kinda meh on this, but Liquid is Liquid, so supporting 'em all the way. Huksy was being sarcastic after having read the hype thread. He didn't have any inside information. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:38 mango_destroyer wrote: Lol I don`t even want to know how you came to that conclusion that he has no potential left. I guess he should just pack his bags and leave the scene because you said so. If anything Zenio has the most potential on teamliquid. Well people come up with these opinions just due to more exposure. Hero still hasn't done anything in GSL yet, while zenio has. However, since Hero goes to all the mlg and foreign events he suddenly has all this untapped potential, despite him failing hard in gsl. Plus, let's be honest hero rightfully should be code b right now, but crazy moving threw away game 2. Don't get me wrong, I like hero, but zenio never got the chance to go to foreign events like hero besides NASL. I don't think zenio is an elite korean, but he is top level foreigner wise, so I see him doing well in foreign tourneys like hero has. | ||
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John Madden
American Samoa894 Posts
Though everyone pretty much knew. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On November 17 2011 07:32 SoulSever wrote: Jinro is soft and cuddly??? Who would want to meet jinro in a dark alley? Ok. 1. Huk is super cute and cuddly. The dude is like 5ft flat And he always had that pillow.2. Jinro is a badass. 3. Tyler is a badass. 4. Unless it's EG (because Incontrol... too strong ._.), Liquid could whoop most teams in a fight -.- But yea I think its been out there that twas probable TL would pick up Zenio | ||
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sYnRoscoe
United States149 Posts
On November 16 2011 22:37 Gummy wrote: That would be a dick move toward Zenio, and there's no reason to do that. that hurt my feelings, fuck you. User was warned for this post | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
People can dream right? T.T Edit: This doesnt mean I dont like Jinro and TLO, no way! I like them both as much or even more than the other Liquid players! | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:33 KobraKay wrote: I had a dream the other day: Liquid announces Liquid'Thorzain and Liquid'HollywoodFishKing (or Hiya) to improve their terran line up. People can dream right? T.T Liquid'Thorzain, T.T | ||
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DieterEilts
Germany283 Posts
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
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ClaytonBigsby
Uganda35 Posts
What TL really needs is a good terran, While Jinro and TLO are still trying their best.. they are just not good enough anymore (I still have a bit of hope for Jinro!) | ||
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anonymitylol
Canada4477 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:45 ClaytonBigsby wrote: Why would TL be picking another zerg? Sheth is pretty decent. What TL really needs is a good terran, While Jinro and TLO are still trying their best.. they are just not good enough anymore (I still have a bit of hope for Jinro!) TLO is switching to Zerg iirc. | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:45 ClaytonBigsby wrote: Why would TL be picking another zerg? Sheth is pretty decent. What TL really needs is a good terran, While Jinro and TLO are still trying their best.. they are just not good enough anymore (I still have a bit of hope for Jinro!) maybe tl has taken note of the amount of balance whine coming from sheth lately and started seeking a more confident zerg. i disagree with u about jinro hes just had bad luck lately in the GSL... give the guy a break | ||
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Muffinman53
571 Posts
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Silidons
United States2813 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:45 ClaytonBigsby wrote: Why would TL be picking another zerg? Sheth is pretty decent. What TL really needs is a good terran, While Jinro and TLO are still trying their best.. they are just not good enough anymore (I still have a bit of hope for Jinro!) so u think zenio isnt better than all the liquid zergs? | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:45 ClaytonBigsby wrote: Why would TL be picking another zerg? Sheth is pretty decent. What TL really needs is a good terran, While Jinro and TLO are still trying their best.. they are just not good enough anymore (I still have a bit of hope for Jinro!) what did i just read... Jinro is the fucking boss, period. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:52 Juanald wrote: maybe tl has taken note of the amount of balance whine coming from sheth lately and started seeking a more confident zerg. i disagree with u about jinro hes just had bad luck lately in the GSL... give the guy a break jinro is not even a midtier foreigner anymore. he's like barely better than low tier foreigners based on his MLG performances. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:57 snailz wrote: what did i just read... Jinro is the fucking boss, period. I think this whole discussion is irrelevant. Everyone knows TL hires their players for how sexy they are. Look at this list and salivate, Jinro - Awesome red mohawk and beard TLO - Awesome beard and a great sense of Fashion Tyler - What a fucking stud HerO - Come on', do I need to describe him? Even the aforementioned Sheth looks insanely dapper in a suit (google it now) not to mention his loveable tone and behavior make it impossible not to fall in love with him. | ||
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Modeath
United States68 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:59 rauk wrote: jinro is not even a midtier foreigner anymore. he's like barely better than low tier foreigners based on his MLG performances. I think you underestimate him, he almost broke into code a through quals this past time round. People underestimated him this time last year and now they're doing it again. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
It doesn't really matter for most SC2 teams, foreign ones especially. On November 17 2011 08:59 rauk wrote: jinro is not even a midtier foreigner anymore. he's like barely better than low tier foreigners based on his MLG performances. This is just false. MLG is a really bad tournament to rate players by anyway, considering the format is congested and generally awful, especially for the open bracket players. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:07 Oreo7 wrote: I think you underestimate him, he almost broke into code a through quals this past time round. People underestimated him this time last year and now they're doing it again. notable foreigners he's beaten in the last 3 months: idra in a groupstage that didn't even matter for anything since idra was advancing anyways (and won the tourney to boot) "notable" foreigners he's lost to in the last 3 months: trimaster whitera vibe qxc kiwi elfi jim morrow attero sase so unless jinro has massively improved i don't think advancing in code a is realistic | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
But in a few months... who knows.. he might switch back to terran. Zenio will be a good pick up. Hes strengthens an already deep TL lineup. While its true that hes probably the 3rd best zerg behind Ret and Sheth, and adds a 4th zerg out of 8 members, the talent he adds to TL makes it easy to overlook their Zerg heavy lineup. Cant wait until its officially announced. TL is my 2nd favorite team behind EG so this pick up also intensifies the rivalry between EG and TL (because of IdrA and Zenio) and that makes SC2 that much more exciting to watch. | ||
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FuRRyChoBo
United States218 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:11 FlamingTurd wrote: I kind of hope this is all just a big joke by Artosis, now that would be hilarious! agreed lol "i heard MC and MVP are considering joining liquid" BOOM thread | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:01 McFeser wrote: I think this whole discussion is irrelevant. Everyone knows TL hires their players for how sexy they are. Look at this list and salivate, Jinro - Awesome red mohawk and beard TLO - Awesome beard and a great sense of Fashion Tyler - What a fucking stud HerO - Come on', do I need to describe him? Even the aforementioned Sheth looks insanely dapper in a suit (google it now) not to mention his loveable tone and behavior make it impossible not to fall in love with him. love how you skipped sheth haha | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:57 snailz wrote: what did i just read... Jinro is the fucking boss, period. Can't even win a single TvP while other Terrans getting it easily lol. His TvT is all about hellions opening, TvZ isn't special. | ||
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Jarrito
United States51 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:31 tuho12345 wrote: Can't even win a single TvP while other Terrans getting it easily lol. His TvT is all about hellions opening, TvZ isn't special. TvP this season in the GSL is actually looking pretty dire. In Code S, I believe PvT win-rate is at 70.6%, lol. | ||
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lSasquatchl
United States309 Posts
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:31 tuho12345 wrote: Can't even win a single TvP while other Terrans getting it easily lol. His TvT is all about hellions opening, TvZ isn't special. many rlly many , even pro terran players dont like tvp, cauz it is fu!23ing hard these days vs P | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On November 17 2011 08:57 snailz wrote: what did i just read... Jinro is the fucking boss, period. He's gotten really bad though. I'd call it a slump but he's been down for like 6 months now. I mean, Idra had his slump, but during that slump he was still getting top 8 in MLG and only losing to Koreans. Jinro loses really early in MLG now. I really wish he'd get his magic back. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
This might be a little off topic, but did TLO give a reason for switching back to Zerg again? Personally i always though TLO's Zerg was more interesting than his Terran. Was disappointed last year tho, when TLO switched from Zerg to Terran, i didn't feel like he played Zerg long enough. If i remember correctly he was only playing zerg for about 3 months or so. While TL picking up another Zerg at first seems puzzling. I'm kinda excited about it, thinking that having so many quality zergs on the team can lead to some more Z innovation. Kinda how grouping the Terrans for Slayers has. | ||
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MotherOfRunes
Germany2862 Posts
On November 17 2011 10:03 Cyanocyst wrote: This might be a little off topic, but did TLO give a reason for switching back to Zerg again? Personally i always though TLO's Zerg was more interesting than his Terran. Was disappointed last year tho, when TLO switched from Zerg to Terran, i didn't feel like he played Zerg long enough. If i remember correctly he was only playing zerg for about 3 months or so. While TL picking up another Zerg at first seems puzzling. I'm kinda excited about it, thinking that having so many quality zergs on the team can lead to some more Z innovation. Kinda how grouping the Terrans for Slayers has. hes just like a spoiled child throwing away his toys after 2 days because they become boring....this switching already is really ridiculous.... | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:17 rauk wrote: notable foreigners he's beaten in the last 3 months: idra in a groupstage that didn't even matter for anything since idra was advancing anyways (and won the tourney to boot) "notable" foreigners he's lost to in the last 3 months: trimaster whitera vibe qxc kiwi elfi jim morrow attero sase so unless jinro has massively improved i don't think advancing in code a is realistic It is realistic as he lost 2-1 in the finals of his code a bracket. You are bringing a huge amount of bias to the table, demonstrating this by dismissing his wins as irrelevant or unrealistic and emphasizing his losses unfairly. You list losses he's taken in NASL but none of his wins etc. You're either trolling or dumb. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:57 hmunkey wrote: He's gotten really bad though. I'd call it a slump but he's been down for like 6 months now. I mean, Idra had his slump, but during that slump he was still getting top 8 in MLG and only losing to Koreans. Jinro loses really early in MLG now. I really wish he'd get his magic back. Jinro is doing poorly but comparing his open bracket performance at MLG's vs. Idra's seeded performance is silly and pointless. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On November 17 2011 12:45 Oreo7 wrote: It is realistic as he lost 2-1 in the finals of his code a bracket. You are bringing a huge amount of bias to the table, demonstrating this by dismissing his wins as irrelevant or unrealistic and emphasizing his losses unfairly. You list losses he's taken in NASL but none of his wins etc. You're either trolling or dumb. he's beaten sjow twice, but aside from him? gerbil, whiplash, inka, syckness and softball are not "notable." they are not "low tier" foreigners. they are not even remotely relevant on the international scene. you can't seriously use those victories as evidence that he will succeed in code A. he lost in the finals of the code a qualifier, not code a. maybe i wasn't specific enough; i think he is not going to advance past the ro32 if by some off chance he lucks his way into code a, which is a statement backed up by his atrocious results rather than wishful thinking. | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2904 Posts
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Buubble
United States191 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:13 ODieN wrote: Leaked! So much for the "Mysterious Liquid Pre-Announcement Tweet" still have yet to find out what the thursday tshirt one is | ||
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Snackysnacks
United States411 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:17 CrimsnDragn wrote: still have yet to find out what the thursday tshirt one is Gasp* Could it be... A NEW TSHIRT???!?!?? Stop the presses, yo, i might have solved everything! Its obviously a new jersey, noted by the last liquid shirt sale (cant find link, ATM) | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:30 Snackysnacks wrote: Gasp* Could it be... A NEW TSHIRT???!?!?? Stop the presses, yo, i might have solved everything! Its obviously a new jersey, noted by the last liquid shirt sale (cant find link, ATM) I bet they just got a new stock of the same T-shirts they've been selling or something. | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:07 rauk wrote: he's beaten sjow twice, but aside from him? gerbil, whiplash, inka, syckness and softball are not "notable." they are not "low tier" foreigners. they are not even remotely relevant on the international scene. you can't seriously use those victories as evidence that he will succeed in code A. he lost in the finals of the code a qualifier, not code a. maybe i wasn't specific enough; i think he is not going to advance past the ro32 if by some off chance he lucks his way into code a, which is a statement backed up by his atrocious results rather than wishful thinking. I don't think you've paid much attention to the Code A qualifiers...for a long time, code A qualifiers have arguably been harder than code A itself. Look at players like DRG or Puma that never managed to get through code A qualifiers. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:13 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: I don't think you've paid much attention to the Code A qualifiers...for a long time, code A qualifiers have arguably been harder than code A itself. Look at players like DRG or Puma that never managed to get through code A qualifiers. ...wouldn't that mean it'd be even more unlikely for jinro to make it in? | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:22 rauk wrote: ...wouldn't that mean it'd be even more unlikely for jinro to make it in? Did you not follow Code A Qualifiers/Team Liquid/this conversation and realize that Jinro was one game away from making it in? The difficulty of Code A qualifiers points out how noteworthy of an achievement it is that Jinro was one game away from qualifying. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:25 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Did you not follow Code A Qualifiers/Team Liquid/this conversation and realize that Jinro was one game away from making it in? The difficulty of Code A qualifiers points out how noteworthy of an achievement it is that Jinro was one game away from qualifying. so your argument is that because jinro was one game away from qualifying for code a, his skill is comparable to DRG or puma, which is supported by his results in other tournaments, and he'll succeed in code a. | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
On November 17 2011 09:31 tuho12345 wrote: Can't even win a single TvP while other Terrans getting it easily lol. His TvT is all about hellions opening, TvZ isn't special. so hes in a slump vs protoss lately.. wats your point? its sad b'cos there are plenty of players who didnt live up to hype and make it to pool play at MLG (stephanio) that are getting a free pass but a proven 2x ro4 gsl player like jinro gets written off over a few unlucky games.. people said the same thing about huk and time and time he proved the haters wrong, they said the same about drewbie.. machine.. incontrol the list goes on.. i know theres a lot of competition and envy but esports is never going to grow if the top players are universaly hated and attacked like this.. | ||
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Lavi
Bangladesh793 Posts
edit: forgot fin is on ogs too, liquid'fin how sweet would that be ? | ||
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:08 rauk wrote: so your argument is that because jinro was one game away from qualifying for code a, his skill is comparable to DRG or puma, which is supported by his results in other tournaments, and he'll succeed in code a. Now you're just blatantly making logical fallacies. My argument, as said outright in both of my posts before (but it apparently bears repeating for you), is that Jinro made a noteworthy achievement by making it one game from qualifying in Code A. Read those words carefully. Nowhere do I assume that he'll suddenly "succeed in code a." Nowhere do I say his skill is outright "comparable" directly to those other players. You try to put words in my mouth by making this logical fallacy of direct player comparisons, but you fail to understand that player skill is a non-transitive property when applied to tournaments. Unfortunately, you're also failing to understand what statements are actually addressed towards what. The bigger picture being disputed here is the claim that "Jinro is not even a midtier foreigner." You're going on this random tangent trying to shift your advocacy to "Jinro won't do well in Code A." Even so-called toptier foreigners (like Naniwa) don't do well in Code A, so your point is moot. The mere fact that Jinro has remained middling in NASL for both seasons (with wins against those such as Sjow and Socke) automatically qualify him as (by definition) middle-tier, at the least. | ||
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rauk
United States2228 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:53 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: Now you're just blatantly making logical fallacies. My argument, as said outright in both of my posts before (but it apparently bears repeating for you), is that Jinro made a noteworthy achievement by making it one game from qualifying in Code A. Read those words carefully. Nowhere do I assume that he'll suddenly "succeed in code a." Nowhere do I say his skill is outright "comparable" directly to those other players. You try to put words in my mouth by making this logical fallacy of direct player comparisons, but you fail to understand that player skill is a non-transitive property when applied to tournaments. Unfortunately, you're also failing to understand what statements are actually addressed towards what. The bigger picture being disputed here is the claim that "Jinro is not even a midtier foreigner." You're going on this random tangent trying to shift your advocacy to "Jinro won't do well in Code A." Even so-called toptier foreigners (like Naniwa) don't do well in Code A, so your point is moot. The mere fact that Jinro has remained middling in NASL for both seasons (with wins against those such as Sjow and Socke) automatically qualify him as (by definition) middle-tier, at the least. you're the one who brought in the difficulty of code a qualifiers and mentioned that puma and DRG never made it through. the clear implication is that jinro is comparable to those two players. also, you are the one who cut into my argument with oreo7 that i was merely "underestimating" jinro because he did well in qualifiers. i said " i think [jinro] is not going to advance past the ro32 if by some off chance he lucks his way into code a, which is a statement backed up by his atrocious results rather than wishful thinking." which is where you interjected with your "code a is tough, so jinro is actually pretty good" thing, so i think it's pretty reasonable to assume that you and i are discussing jinro's chances of succeeding in code a. and on the point of jinro being a mid-tier foreigner (which i wasn't discussing with you to begin with), i don't think two series wins vs sjow and socke are enough to say jinro is in form; his recent history of many series losses to terrible players is far more indicative of his skill. also it's not a "logical fallacy" the term you're looking for is "strawman" because i'm deliberately misrepresenting your argument | ||
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NekoFlandre
United States497 Posts
Ah well, Awesome to see Zenio on Liquid =p (If TRUE) | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
you're the one who brought in the difficulty of code a qualifiers and mentioned that puma and DRG never made it through. the clear implication is that jinro is comparable to those two players. I only need to read this and smell your cry to make drama. It's a good example of how difficult it was to actualy get into code A, if those great players have trouble with it then hell so would Jinro. That is in no way saying Jinro is on DRG or Puma's level of play, it only shows how difficult it is for great players to get trough. I also think Jinro's play is actualy better these days then it was when he made ro4 at GSL, he improved, but so did every one else, wich make it seem he's o so slumping. He will be back, good players always find themselfs and Jinro is a damn fine player. Any way back to OP. After seeing F slasher last night i am 100 procent sure it's Zenio haha. Your a good troll but a bad lier Hot Bid ;p | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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rza
Canada384 Posts
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 17 2011 17:56 nam nam wrote: There's been a lot of players that's been written off as "bad" before suddenly being in Code S/Code A winning a lot of games. Just look at this months gsl and how some of the players left was regarded 2-3 months ago. I don't know if Jinro can ever get back to the status he was but it's a bit annoying that people constantly write off players just because they are not showing results atm. Well, these players would still be bad if they didn't qualify for Code A/S. Tournament results are the main factor of judging player's skill. Jinro ain't showing results atm? He isn't showing them at all, same goes with Haypro and TLO. Actually the only TL players that do are Ret, Sheth and Hero. That's kinda like a mother who comes to school to talk to her kid's teacher. Teacher says that kid is terrible and gets the worst grades in class. Mother is like "omg, but my kid is so smart!". Yep, she surely believes it, but FFS, he is failing everything and nobody cares is he is smart or not, he needs to get results that proove it. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On November 17 2011 18:48 CDR wrote: Well, these players would still be bad if they didn't qualify for Code A/S. Tournament results are the main factor of judging player's skill. Jinro ain't showing results atm? He isn't showing them at all, same goes with Haypro and TLO. Actually the only TL players that do are Ret, Sheth and Hero. That's kinda like a mother who comes to school to talk to her kid's teacher. Teacher says that kid is terrible and gets the worst grades in class. Mother is like "omg, but my kid is so smart!". Yep, she surely believes it, but FFS, he is failing everything and nobody cares is he is smart or not, he needs to get results that proove it. That's a terrible analogy. | ||
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tmtx
71 Posts
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Mitchlew
Australia428 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On November 17 2011 18:48 CDR wrote: Well, these players would still be bad if they didn't qualify for Code A/S. Tournament results are the main factor of judging player's skill. Jinro ain't showing results atm? He isn't showing them at all, same goes with Haypro and TLO. Actually the only TL players that do are Ret, Sheth and Hero. That's kinda like a mother who comes to school to talk to her kid's teacher. Teacher says that kid is terrible and gets the worst grades in class. Mother is like "omg, but my kid is so smart!". Yep, she surely believes it, but FFS, he is failing everything and nobody cares is he is smart or not, he needs to get results that proove it. o0 oh that's such a bad analogy makes it actually kinda funny haha. But what if the kid already proved to be top of his class before eh ... like let's say 2x top 4 in freaking GSL. | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
On November 17 2011 19:01 Lysanias wrote: o0 oh that's such a bad analogy makes it actually kinda funny haha. But what if the kid already proved to be top of his class before eh ... like let's say 2x top 4 in freaking GSL. If the kid proved to be top of his class before and his grades now are terrible he still failes, because nobody cares about his previous results. Maybe he stopped learning, maybe he is doing drugs, maybe he has fallen in love and is depressed but still, nobody cares if his results are terrible. When did Jinro get to top4 GSL? January and March? It's fucking November, almost 9 months later, nobody will call him a top or mid tier player for that. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:22 Juanald wrote: so hes in a slump vs protoss lately.. wats your point? its sad b'cos there are plenty of players who didnt live up to hype and make it to pool play at MLG (stephanio) that are getting a free pass but a proven 2x ro4 gsl player like jinro gets written off over a few unlucky games.. people said the same thing about huk and time and time he proved the haters wrong, they said the same about drewbie.. machine.. incontrol the list goes on.. i know theres a lot of competition and envy but esports is never going to grow if the top players are universaly hated and attacked like this.. when people sucked balls at the game, he made ro4 twice. not saying he isn't good, but your argumentation is shit. that being said, i hope jinro can compete with the best, seems like hes slipping even when he tries. IMO he never got worse, he never got into a slump, everyone else just improved far more than he did. this is what no one seems to realize when talking about jinro's 'slump' | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:22 Juanald wrote: so hes in a slump vs protoss lately.. wats your point? its sad b'cos there are plenty of players who didnt live up to hype and make it to pool play at MLG (stephanio) that are getting a free pass but a proven 2x ro4 gsl player like jinro gets written off over a few unlucky games.. people said the same thing about huk and time and time he proved the haters wrong, they said the same about drewbie.. machine.. incontrol the list goes on.. i know theres a lot of competition and envy but esports is never going to grow if the top players are universaly hated and attacked like this.. That.. wasn't even an attack at all and I saw no hate from his post whatsoever lol. While Huk did prove the haters wrong, the other players have yet to step up. All we fans can do is keep cheering/supporting our players but there's nothing wrong with talking about what's been going on lately. ^also what that guy said. In Starcraft if you fall behind even a little it's very hard to catch up with all the competition that's out there. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On November 17 2011 19:17 nath wrote: that being said, i hope jinro can compete with the best, seems like hes slipping even when he tries. IMO he never got worse, he never got into a slump, everyone else just improved far more than he did. this is what no one seems to realize when talking about jinro's 'slump' Jinro doesn't appear to have the APM to hang with the very best because he is playing the most APM intensive race, and he was really just far ahead of everyone else when the game turned from 1 base play into macro games (he was basically the only terran that was doing macro oriented style at that time). Now though, everyone is doing macro oriented styles, and he has fallen behind because he seems to not be able to mechanically handle the extreme requirement for APM at the very highest level. Well, or I could be wrong, it just seems that way to me. | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
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supraWman
Germany453 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:22 Lavi wrote: I'm hoping Artosis and liquid is trolling us, and it actually turns out to be some crazy macro terran like TheSTC edit: forgot fin is on ogs too, liquid'fin how sweet would that be ? Not as sweet as Liquid'TheBody, but still pretty sweet. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:22 Juanald wrote: so hes in a slump vs protoss lately.. wats your point? its sad b'cos there are plenty of players who didnt live up to hype and make it to pool play at MLG (stephanio) that are getting a free pass but a proven 2x ro4 gsl player like jinro gets written off over a few unlucky games.. people said the same thing about huk and time and time he proved the haters wrong, they said the same about drewbie.. machine.. incontrol the list goes on.. i know theres a lot of competition and envy but esports is never going to grow if the top players are universaly hated and attacked like this.. No one is attacking Jinro. Everyone wishes him the best. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. It's even more ridiculous to go further on a completely different tangent and coin any slight criticism of a pro player as universally hating and attacking all top players. | ||
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