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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-23 23:24:10
November 23 2011 23:21 GMT
#1921
On November 20 2011 13:36 Yamoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 08:02 dbizzle wrote:
On November 19 2011 02:04 red_b wrote:
On November 19 2011 00:47 NNTP wrote:
16 or not Coca is a professional gamer. PROFESSIONAL e-sport athlete means that he has a code of conduct to follow as he representing a community as a whole. If we ever want e-sport or SC2 for that matter to become seriously recognized sanctions must be put into place.


Um, you seem to have some weird misunderstanding of how things work in pro sports.

If you think this is a big deal then go talk to the Indianapolis Colts who sat all of their starters in a game they would have crushed against a division opponent which actually caused the Houston Texans to not go to the playoffs.

This game meant nothing and this poor kid is getting reamed.

Maybe people are on edge in Korea because of the actual scandal (Savior and co) but this is ridiculous. You have a right to leave or forfeit a game at any time as a player and this stupid moral police bullshit is way out of line.

If you want to talk about what what GSL should do to remain serious it's ENFORCE THE RULES AS WRITTEN, not come up with some enigmatic moralist argument. Yes I realize the team made this decision but they shouldn't have, they should have let the GSL decide if this kid had to give up his spot.

You know Idra quit a game he still could have won. Everyone here has seen the video. Guess we have to ban Idra from any future MLG events until he learns his lesson.

Oh wait, that would be really stupid.


You cannot compare american football that is one of the most injury prone games to date to a game where physical injuries are very nil. Sitting your starters when you are guaranteed first seed and home field advantage for playoffs is benificial for the players. They did not need to win and in no way "threw" the game on purpose. Second and third string players probably played with all their heart since it would be very rare at all to play a full football game.


Couldn't you use the same argument in this situation then? There is absolutely zero incentive for Coca to win that second game since he really don't get anything out of it. However, if he were to forfeit that game, he would get the opportunity to practice this ZvT and further strengthen his ability. There really no difference (at least for my opinion anyway) in football coach sitting their starters and risk loosing a game to get their second string more practice than Coca dropping game 2 so he can get more ZvT practice.

I don't think you understand, playing in tournament games only improves your nerves and it being an internet tourny with low incentives to win hardly helps at all it gives out your reps and builds while it does not let you flesh them out. It is in general better to just practice normally to become a better player. As close as they seem to be they could probably be practice partners anyway. There is basically zero incentive for Coca to stay for the practice.
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MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
November 24 2011 06:22 GMT
#1922
That punishment seems way too harsh to me. For one, it obviously wasn't planned out beforehand for any real gain, for another there was no betting involved.

Couple of years back, the Chargers were playing the Saints in London. Drew Brees was the QB of the Saints. He started his career with the Chargers and was still good friends with most of the Chargers team. Saints were winning and had the ball with like 10 seconds left. For those of you who don't know football (american) that means that the Saints win.

Except Drew Brees purposefully threw an incomplete pass (toward his own end zone so it was BLATANTLY ON PURPOSE) which meant the Saints gave the Chargers one last chance to run it back and tie the game up, taking it into overtime where they could have won. Of course, the Charger who got the ball got tackled, so the Saints won, but no one saw anything wrong with what Drew Brees did. He wanted to give his former teammates a good shot and the London fans a cool show and the chance to see an epic comeback. Now I know it isn't directly comparable, being different sports and all, but...

So yeah, I don't think these guys needed to be punished like that. They should have been warned and maybe like a week away from the Team House; but what happened seems like they are being punished for Savior's crimes.
left1000
Profile Joined December 2011
1 Post
December 05 2011 17:27 GMT
#1923
this is a major over reaction... this wasn't a serious tournament game, it was one of those for fun tournaments where people are expected to goof around! okay so maybe if you just forfeit for no reason you should be disqualified but it's not matchfixing and cocoa shouldn't've have lost his code S spot, this is a major overreation... players goof off in arena of legends too
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 05 2011 17:32 GMT
#1924
On December 06 2011 02:27 left1000 wrote:
this is a major over reaction... this wasn't a serious tournament game, it was one of those for fun tournaments where people are expected to goof around! okay so maybe if you just forfeit for no reason you should be disqualified but it's not matchfixing and cocoa shouldn't've have lost his code S spot, this is a major overreation... players goof off in arena of legends too

Goofing off and breaking rules are 2 completely different things tough.
Aehnn
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany27 Posts
January 31 2012 03:35 GMT
#1925
Any news regarding to Coca? I didn't hear anything since he got banned, but would like to see him play again... Nestea, Leenock and he are the best Zergs in my opinion.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-31 03:41:05
January 31 2012 03:39 GMT
#1926
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
jhlee820
Profile Joined June 2011
149 Posts
January 31 2012 03:41 GMT
#1927
I recall he was entered in a small tournament recently (like a week or 2 ago) but it had an asterisk beside his name and said pending Jessica and Cella's permission. Not sure how that turned out. As for being the best zerg, I'd be skeptical but I would agree that he was looking really promising. Had invincible ZvP, ZvT that was improving at a phenomenal rate, and ZvZ...not so much but I'm sure he would've improved over time.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 31 2012 03:52 GMT
#1928
On January 31 2012 12:35 Aehnn wrote:
Any news regarding to Coca? I didn't hear anything since he got banned, but would like to see him play again... Nestea, Leenock and he are the best Zergs in my opinion.


DRG?
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
January 31 2012 03:55 GMT
#1929
Jessica said on Twitter that it should not be long before he's back.

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movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
January 31 2012 03:55 GMT
#1930
On January 31 2012 12:41 jhlee820 wrote:
I recall he was entered in a small tournament recently (like a week or 2 ago) but it had an asterisk beside his name and said pending Jessica and Cella's permission. Not sure how that turned out. As for being the best zerg, I'd be skeptical but I would agree that he was looking really promising. Had invincible ZvP, ZvT that was improving at a phenomenal rate, and ZvZ...not so much but I'm sure he would've improved over time.


He was able to beat DRG in a best of 3 series get 2nd place in a MLG.
MasterKang
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1373 Posts
January 31 2012 03:57 GMT
#1931
On January 31 2012 12:55 movac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2012 12:41 jhlee820 wrote:
I recall he was entered in a small tournament recently (like a week or 2 ago) but it had an asterisk beside his name and said pending Jessica and Cella's permission. Not sure how that turned out. As for being the best zerg, I'd be skeptical but I would agree that he was looking really promising. Had invincible ZvP, ZvT that was improving at a phenomenal rate, and ZvZ...not so much but I'm sure he would've improved over time.


He was able to beat DRG in a best of 3 series get 2nd place in a MLG.


That series was actually pretty beautiful from Coca, strong roach timing and great fungals on metalopolis. Was so sad to see him leave, since he was getting rather deep every season
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movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
January 31 2012 03:58 GMT
#1932
While we're on this subject, anyone heard anything about what's going on with Byun?
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
January 31 2012 06:30 GMT
#1933
Why are we rezz'ing this thread?
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
January 31 2012 06:48 GMT
#1934
On January 31 2012 15:30 Flamingo777 wrote:
Why are we rezz'ing this thread?

Did you read the recent comments? If you did, the answer would be pretty obvious.
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
January 31 2012 06:56 GMT
#1935
On December 06 2011 02:32 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 02:27 left1000 wrote:
this is a major over reaction... this wasn't a serious tournament game, it was one of those for fun tournaments where people are expected to goof around! okay so maybe if you just forfeit for no reason you should be disqualified but it's not matchfixing and cocoa shouldn't've have lost his code S spot, this is a major overreation... players goof off in arena of legends too

Goofing off and breaking rules are 2 completely different things tough.



Are there any rules that specifically state a player can't throw a game?

People are getting so worked up over nothing. This is a game, nothing more, nothing less. There is no sanctioning body for SC2. If a Cocoa wants to let his buddy advance, great. If Naniwa wants to probe rush Nestea, great. The list goes on.

Now I do understand that Koreans take this game more serious than anywhere else in the world. If they have such a problem with these situations, they need to create a governing body to regulate SC2.

A prime double standard is that one eP guy vs WhiteRa. People cheered for him for SCV rushing WhiteRa. Naniwa does it? He's booted out of Code S. If they have a problem with shit, they need to start regulating SC2 and putting rules in place. Not just creating arbitrary rules whenever they feel like it.
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
January 31 2012 07:01 GMT
#1936
Completely
different
contexts
...
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eugeniustin
Profile Joined March 2012
1 Post
March 01 2012 01:41 GMT
#1937
On January 31 2012 15:56 Orracle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 02:32 Assirra wrote:
On December 06 2011 02:27 left1000 wrote:
this is a major over reaction... this wasn't a serious tournament game, it was one of those for fun tournaments where people are expected to goof around! okay so maybe if you just forfeit for no reason you should be disqualified but it's not matchfixing and cocoa shouldn't've have lost his code S spot, this is a major overreation... players goof off in arena of legends too

Goofing off and breaking rules are 2 completely different things tough.



Are there any rules that specifically state a player can't throw a game?

People are getting so worked up over nothing. This is a game, nothing more, nothing less. There is no sanctioning body for SC2. If a Cocoa wants to let his buddy advance, great. If Naniwa wants to probe rush Nestea, great. The list goes on.

Now I do understand that Koreans take this game more serious than anywhere else in the world. If they have such a problem with these situations, they need to create a governing body to regulate SC2.

A prime double standard is that one eP guy vs WhiteRa. People cheered for him for SCV rushing WhiteRa. Naniwa does it? He's booted out of Code S. If they have a problem with shit, they need to start regulating SC2 and putting rules in place. Not just creating arbitrary rules whenever they feel like it.



every Game is a Game.when you play a Game you play in and for the Game.what do you mean with "this is a game, nothing more, nothing less'' ? when you play any Game you have to respect It, respect yourself your opponent and others participating to It.You Have To do your best to Win otherwise there is no purpose no sense no nothing...if you don't understand this things or you don't agree then you have a problem.

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Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
March 01 2012 01:41 GMT
#1938
Why the fuck did you bump that post ?? seriously ....
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
March 01 2012 01:44 GMT
#1939
Stop bumping this shit. Makes this whole thing more confusing.
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onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-01 01:45:08
March 01 2012 01:44 GMT
#1940
There is already a seperate thread on coca being back.. and this has been discussed to death.

No need to bump this.

Edit: The fact this was your first and only post.. just wow..
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