So this makes Aphrodite the second female to join a Korean pro-gaming team. Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
Personally, I'm really looking forward to seeing how Aphrodite improves with players like Curious, Bomber and July to practice with.
As much as I hated the tournament, I think it's really awesome that pro teams are picking up female players. Hopefully this will increase the viablity of sc2 as an e-sport!
Congratulations to her! Really looking forward seeing her play. She just won her first tournament and together with this announcement that's a nice start. :D
Congratulations to her! Really looking forward seeing her play. She just won her first tournament and together with this announcement that's a nice start. :D
That wasn't a troll, I wanted to edit my first post, but quoted it instead. So I edited my post, and wrote fail instead :/
edit: changed it so people don't missunderstand it
I know people are gonna come in here and cry nepotism but at least the girl won a LAN tournament (albeit against other girls, but that's something, no?) Hopefully she'll be able to show some results rather than just being a glorified boothgirl.
On November 14 2011 08:56 NuKedUFirst wrote: Nice to see more females on gaming teams.. Hope there are more unisex tournaments not just girls only.. That makes things worse.
Every single tournament except female only tournaments are unisex. They don't give a damn about your gender at MLG or any other tourney.
On November 14 2011 08:56 NuKedUFirst wrote: Nice to see more females on gaming teams.. Hope there are more unisex tournaments not just girls only.. That makes things worse.
what do you mean? every tournament is unisex, people can participate regardless of gender (except for female only tournaments)
It's strange. She looks hot from front on and scary from side on.
But anyway, this is great news. I think she has the potential to break into Code A, as long as she has the motivation and determination to keep her training up.
*Queue crappy joke about wanting her to join team Herm*
It'll be interesting to see how good she gets. She's obviously pretty good already if she's in Master league on the Korean server and she's won a tournament.
lol at people thinking she has a shot at reaching code A.
I hate to break it to you guys but women are terrible at games and don't put in nearly as much time to get good at it, the reason for that is because they don't have to. They get sponsorship deals as long as they are pretty and reasonably good compared to other women (most of which don't take the game nearly as seriously as other male gamers).
I realize that most of you will think im sexist. I am not. I'm simply pointing out the truth everyone knows, which is that female gamers do well in the scene as long as they are pretty and their skill is almost irrelevant.
On November 14 2011 09:39 Netolip wrote: lol at people thinking she has a shot at reaching code A.
I hate to break it to you guys but women are terrible at games and don't put in nearly as much time to get good at it, the reason for that is because they don't have to. They get sponsorship deals as long as they are pretty and reasonably good compared to other women (most of which don't take the game nearly as seriously as other male gamers).
I realize that most of you will think im sexist. I am not. I'm simply pointing out the truth everyone knows, which is that female gamers do well in the scene as long as they are pretty and their skill is almost irrelevant.
funnily enough winning that zowie tourney makes her one of the few people that have won money from sc2 .. a lot at that. Hope she's good, I haven't got a chance to see her play
girls can be just as good at games as guys but the problem is, theres way more guys playing the game so the chances that there will be better players are much higher. If every single female played sc2, and the guys playing remained the same, the top 3 would probably be female players
On November 14 2011 09:39 Netolip wrote: lol at people thinking she has a shot at reaching code A.
I hate to break it to you guys but women are terrible at games and don't put in nearly as much time to get good at it, the reason for that is because they don't have to. They get sponsorship deals as long as they are pretty and reasonably good compared to other women (most of which don't take the game nearly as seriously as other male gamers).
I realize that most of you will think im sexist. I am not. I'm simply pointing out the truth everyone knows, which is that female gamers do well in the scene as long as they are pretty and their skill is almost irrelevant.
Acctualy that comment IS sexist. Saying that girls aren't as likely to become good gamers because nearly no girls take it at all as seriously as quite a few boys do, is not sexist. Saying that a girl will never have a shot because women are terrible at games IS sexist because then you are overgeneralizing a lot. Women has nothing hindering them to become as good gamers as men, except possibly that they because of either how they've been raised or biology (what is biology and what is society in gender differences is still debated) aren't as likely to first get interested in games and then care about competition as seriously as males. If a girl does though, she has just as good chance as any male to compete.
Edit: In case someone is wondering about the difference of the two examples of what is sexist and what is not:
A: All women are terrible at Science. Thus: X who is a woman, is terrible at Science. B: Those who haven't invested a lot of time into learning a lot about science and/or aren't interested in science are terrible at science. Most women haven't invested a lot of time into learning a lot about science and/or aren't interested in science are terrible at science. Thus: X who is a women is terrible at Science.
Both of these is ways you could arguee before women where likely to be doing science, A is sexist, B is everything but sexist.
On November 14 2011 09:58 Sina92 wrote: in my mind she is the first girl to join a pro team :-). who knows, she might be sc2's first equivalent of tossgirl (but terran ofc)!
On November 14 2011 09:58 Sina92 wrote: in my mind she is the first girl to join a pro team :-). who knows, she might be sc2's first equivalent of tossgirl (but terran ofc)!
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Well Aphrodite is Korean Masters not Diamond, so she should be objectively better than Eve.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Well Aphrodite is Korean Masters not Diamond, so she should be objectively better than Eve.
Sure, but there's a difference between proving oneself and their skill/ladder level =O
Congratulations! I hope she improves a lot and shows good games in the future. I was gonna say Aphrodite vs Eve showmatch but Rainbow's girlfriend would beat Jessica's protege pretty easily I think.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Well Aphrodite is Korean Masters not Diamond, so she should be objectively better than Eve.
Sure, but there's a difference between proving oneself and their skill/ladder level =O
when eve joined slayers, she was only gold or diamond on ladder, and never did anything noteworthy. after a while, it seemed like jessica was doing someone a favor
when aphrodite joins startale, shes masters and just won a tournament does it seem like rainbow did his gf a favor? it had something to do with it, but its not as controversial as slayers'eve
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Yes but the tournament that Eve won was described merely as an 'amateur tournament.' I'm skeptical of the skill of the players involved. Jessica also said Eve was recruited based on looks as well as skill.
Aphrodite played well in the DIVINA invitational (some decision making issues day 1, but she fixed a lot of that on the finals day) and beat some good players to win (Colagirl, flo). I think she's proven herself far more than Eve has.
Aphrodite gets to join Startale and Rainbow gets to play bomber in round 1 of code A. i think its safe to say aphrodite is feeling better atm than Rainbow.
I don't want to put anyone down, but my friend ran into Flo in the open bracket at Orlando. She wasn't too impressive and he 2-0ed her fairly easily. He is high masters, just about into grandmasters league NA. If she can get into the finals of a SC2 Woman's tournament it means Women still have a long way to go to close the skill gap.
Heh please tell me their keyboards and headsets are switched. Unless Rainbow likes that color scheme. She'll be ballin hard with a pink keyboard/headset and a golden mouse though. Grats nonetheless to her.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Well Aphrodite is Korean Masters not Diamond, so she should be objectively better than Eve.
Mind you, that was a long time ago. I wouldn't be surprised if she's top masters by now training with slayers team and all.
On November 14 2011 09:58 Sina92 wrote: in my mind she is the first girl to join a pro team :-). who knows, she might be sc2's first equivalent of tossgirl (but terran ofc)!
good news
tossgirl plays terran you know right?
I believe that when TossGirl switched over to SC2 she changed her main race to Zerg. Will attempt to find article.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Yes but the tournament that Eve won was described merely as an 'amateur tournament.' I'm skeptical of the skill of the players involved. Jessica also said Eve was recruited based on looks as well as skill.
Aphrodite played well in the DIVINA invitational (some decision making issues day 1, but she fixed a lot of that on the finals day) and beat some good players to win (Colagirl, flo). I think she's proven herself far more than Eve has.
Oh yeah nevermind, she was gold when she won the tourny and then diamond later on right? I was thinking if she was in at least diamond when she won then that would be like the equivalent of winning a masters tourny, since flo on NA is only high master right? and i do agree picking partly on looks (or rather, mentioning that o.o) also takes away from Eve
It's so cool that women are getting more and more involved in e-sports. I hope this continues and that the stigma associated with e-sports will start to disappear.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Well Aphrodite is Korean Masters not Diamond, so she should be objectively better than Eve.
Mind you, that was a long time ago. I wouldn't be surprised if she's top masters by now training with slayers team and all.
Lets not forget that aphrodite gets coaching from IntoTheRainBOw, so its not like she's come from nothing by herself. I hope she does well and can inspire other girls to attempt to break into competitive play, unfortunately she'll probably end up being used to try and bring sex appeal, which is sad. High Kr masters is a good start though.
On November 14 2011 11:26 yoshi245 wrote: Heh please tell me their keyboards and headsets are switched. Unless Rainbow likes that color scheme. She'll be ballin hard with a pink keyboard/headset and a golden mouse though. Grats nonetheless to her.
RainBOw is clearly balling, note the glasses, side cap and girlfriend who doesn't care how long he spends playing games. The pink peripherals just show that he also knows he's balling.
Genius move by Startale. Anyone who thinks this is stupid is out of their mind. There are going to be more only female tournaments, and they will have cash prizes that are bigger than a lot of the male tournaments out there. She already won $5,000 this week and that is probably more than 90% of Startale has in the past year in tournament winnings. With her training with Startale, Rainbow, and being able to get fully brought up like any other Korean progamer will give her a massive, massive edge over every other female she will have to face in the future.
On November 14 2011 12:16 Fionn wrote: Genius move by Startale. Anyone who thinks this is stupid is out of their mind. There are going to be more only female tournaments, and they will have cash prizes that are bigger than a lot of the male tournaments out there. She already won $5,000 this week and that is probably more than 90% of Startale has in the past year in tournament winnings. With her training with Startale, Rainbow, and being able to get fully brought up like any other Korean progamer will give her a massive, massive edge over every other female she will have to face in the future.
That's so cold and probably true
Man I hope she actually goes somewhere unlike Eve....
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Yes but the tournament that Eve won was described merely as an 'amateur tournament.' I'm skeptical of the skill of the players involved. Jessica also said Eve was recruited based on looks as well as skill.
Aphrodite played well in the DIVINA invitational (some decision making issues day 1, but she fixed a lot of that on the finals day) and beat some good players to win (Colagirl, flo). I think she's proven herself far more than Eve has.
Oh yeah nevermind, she was gold when she won the tourny and then diamond later on right? I was thinking if she was in at least diamond when she won then that would be like the equivalent of winning a masters tourny, since flo on NA is only high master right? and i do agree picking partly on looks (or rather, mentioning that o.o) also takes away from Eve
im high masters and have played on kr... Diamond/ gold players are still rly bad on KR... there early game is good but anything past that is absolute fucking trash.
I really hope she does get Code A, just to smash the stereotype of female gamers being bad. I want someone to prove that hard work, determination and skill make the player, not the gender. GLHF
Didn't see the tournament, but it sounds like she's got some real skill. Hopefully she turns out to be at least Code A level, and SC2 finally has a really good female player.
Female players are stereotypically bad because such a few number of them try thusly statistically less will succeed that's why there's only 1-4 known good female players I guess.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Yes but the tournament that Eve won was described merely as an 'amateur tournament.' I'm skeptical of the skill of the players involved. Jessica also said Eve was recruited based on looks as well as skill.
Aphrodite played well in the DIVINA invitational (some decision making issues day 1, but she fixed a lot of that on the finals day) and beat some good players to win (Colagirl, flo). I think she's proven herself far more than Eve has.
Oh yeah nevermind, she was gold when she won the tourny and then diamond later on right? I was thinking if she was in at least diamond when she won then that would be like the equivalent of winning a masters tourny, since flo on NA is only high master right? and i do agree picking partly on looks (or rather, mentioning that o.o) also takes away from Eve
im high masters and have played on kr... Diamond/ gold players are still rly bad on KR... there early game is good but anything past that is absolute fucking trash.
That's because Koreans are the master of cheesing, which is why the good ones defend it so well They aim to end the game quick, and transition to a macro-style game if need be.
On November 14 2011 12:16 Fionn wrote: Genius move by Startale. Anyone who thinks this is stupid is out of their mind. There are going to be more only female tournaments, and they will have cash prizes that are bigger than a lot of the male tournaments out there. She already won $5,000 this week and that is probably more than 90% of Startale has in the past year in tournament winnings. With her training with Startale, Rainbow, and being able to get fully brought up like any other Korean progamer will give her a massive, massive edge over every other female she will have to face in the future.
That's so cold and probably true
Man I hope she actually goes somewhere unlike Eve....
Congrats to her. I watched a few of her games, and she never gave up even when it looked like she was done. My concern is her reliance on only mech. I did not see a game where she did not go mech. That makes it easy for her opponent to prepare an anti-mech build against her.
On November 14 2011 12:16 Fionn wrote: Genius move by Startale. Anyone who thinks this is stupid is out of their mind. There are going to be more only female tournaments, and they will have cash prizes that are bigger than a lot of the male tournaments out there. She already won $5,000 this week and that is probably more than 90% of Startale has in the past year in tournament winnings. With her training with Startale, Rainbow, and being able to get fully brought up like any other Korean progamer will give her a massive, massive edge over every other female she will have to face in the future.
That's so cold and probably true
Man I hope she actually goes somewhere unlike Eve....
how is that true in any shape or form
#troll
What?
Can you name the Startale players who have won over $5,000 this year in cash winnings? Bomber, July...who else? They might get paid more in salary, but I am talking about tournament winnings.
On November 14 2011 12:57 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I didnt get to see her play, was she actually this good?
She was solid. She won't be competing for a Code A spot right now or anything, but she has loads of potential. She was nervous the first day, but played very technically sound and used mech play while most of the other women liked to use bio.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
Yes but the tournament that Eve won was described merely as an 'amateur tournament.' I'm skeptical of the skill of the players involved. Jessica also said Eve was recruited based on looks as well as skill.
Aphrodite played well in the DIVINA invitational (some decision making issues day 1, but she fixed a lot of that on the finals day) and beat some good players to win (Colagirl, flo). I think she's proven herself far more than Eve has.
Oh yeah nevermind, she was gold when she won the tourny and then diamond later on right? I was thinking if she was in at least diamond when she won then that would be like the equivalent of winning a masters tourny, since flo on NA is only high master right? and i do agree picking partly on looks (or rather, mentioning that o.o) also takes away from Eve
im high masters and have played on kr... Diamond/ gold players are still rly bad on KR... there early game is good but anything past that is absolute fucking trash.
im high masters vsing grandmasters and i lose to platinums on kr bro...
hahahah i would never imagine. i remember watching her FPV on rainbow's stream and i thought to myself. 'what on earth.. she is really fast actually!' really impressed me actually and her mech was really good.
it was a far cry from when i watched rainbow control her units when they played 2v2 together
On November 14 2011 08:35 CluEleSs_UK wrote: As much as I hated the tournament, I think it's really awesome that pro teams are picking up female players. Hopefully this will increase the viablity of sc2 as an e-sport!
This !
I would love to see more female players around there in pro / semi pro teams !
Is she a fully fledged member of Startale and not on a "girl-special-side-team"? If so, then that is awesome. The whole Korean vs. Foreigner thing is often a big reason I choose to watch an event, but I would kill to see a televised tournament game were a girl breaks out and drops the dude player in SC2. I know there are a number of high tier girl players that take games off of a beat players at MLG's and what not, but we rarely get to seem have a strong opportunity to take down people upfront. Best of luck to her.
Its unfortunate that she doesn't have a fan club yet other girls get one just for being girls ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. I would make one myself but I've done my fair share of fanclub making.
lol the guy next to her is the one on the pink computer.
Awesome news! i hope she doesn't post results like toss girl though haha. its ok because we all love tossgirl, and now we all love aphrodite! this is big, cool news.
That's awesome. I've always believed that gender should not segregate the gaming community. It's not like a traditional sport where gender almost forces segregation due to the fact that males tend to be faster and stronger etc and it wouldn't be an even playing field. This is really cool.
On November 14 2011 15:12 Frogsox wrote: That's awesome. I've always believed that gender should not segregate the gaming community. It's not like a traditional sport where gender almost forces segregation due to the fact that males tend to be faster and stronger etc and it wouldn't be an even playing field. This is really cool.
Of course it shouldnt, the problem is when females get signed by just being female, then it's wrong. Anyway, GL to Aphrodite! Really looking forward to this =)
Great news. I think it's great for the scene that more female players are playing in Korean pro teams. Good luck to her and Rainbow, hope they both do well! =)
She's goign to get wrist/circulation problems if she keeps digging her wrists into the corner of the desk
But congrats to her, she's definitely a better player than Eve so it'll be interesting to see if we'll ever actually see her play (I doubt it, but oh well)
On November 14 2011 15:50 Zlasher wrote: She's goign to get wrist/circulation problems if she keeps digging her wrists into the corner of the desk
But congrats to her, she's definitely a better player than Eve so it'll be interesting to see if we'll ever actually see her play (I doubt it, but oh well)
I noticed that too.. Ouch!
Gratz though, good to see some females on some real progaming teams, hope she means business and really gives it all
The crazy thing is that before the Zowie tournament, I didn't even know that she played, let alone was Masters on the Korean ladder. I thought she was just Rainbow's girlfriend, but I guess she's more than just a pretty face.
OP I think you should mention she is Rainbow's GF? seems like most people these days don't even know Rainbow or know what he looks like xD
Also, lol at the jaw profile comment xD
Also, hopefully this may mean that Rainbow is NOT done with progaming, even if he has to go to the army soon. (The last time we got an interview with him, it was way back in the GSL open seasons when he was one of the best Terrans, and he mentioned how he had a job already so he wasn't playing all the time, and that he was only going to play SC2 uncommittingly until he wasn't good enough anymore, in which he would then join the army. He sounded pretty pessimistic or unmotivated from the tone of the interview =/ I'm surprised he hasn't gone to the army yet nor retired, after being out of Code A for months and performing incredibly horrible in the last days of his GSL run).
However, if he has GF now that he's engaged to, and she has decided to go pro, maybe he will change his mind! After all if he's spending all his time playing Starcraft for 10+ hours a day, they wouldn't have much bonding time as a couple unless she played too :D. I'm hoping Ga Yeon is going pro not just so she can spend more time with Rainbow but because she's committed and motivated/determined.
Congratulations to her! Good to see a female being recruiting "mainly" for skill - i dont really feel slayers'eve was that, more of a publicity stunt.
And to the people making comments about the picture? whats wrong with it? If anything its the perfect picture, a female and male pro gamer playing alongside one another, the male using pink the female using black helping to represent the unification that has for so long eluded esports. Inevitable people will comment on her looks, i am ever so sorry she is posing in some disgusting position in a bikini for you. -_-
On November 14 2011 16:30 Capped wrote: Congratulations to her! Good to see a female being recruiting "mainly" for skill - i dont really feel slayers'eve was that, more of a publicity stunt.
And to the people making comments about the picture? whats wrong with it? If anything its the perfect picture, a female and male pro gamer playing alongside one another, the male using pink the female using black helping to represent the unification that has for so long eluded esports. Inevitable people will comment on her looks, i am ever so sorry she is posing in some disgusting position in a bikini for you. -_-
why u hatin? Honestly I think it's a fun touch and why not comment on it? If it now serves as a "representation of the unification", it's a good thing it's being noticed!
anyone find it ironic that she wins a huge tournament and joins startale, but she doesnt get a fan club. whereas, eve won nothing and joined slayers, but received a fan club almost immediately....
On November 14 2011 16:30 Capped wrote: Congratulations to her! Good to see a female being recruiting "mainly" for skill - i dont really feel slayers'eve was that, more of a publicity stunt.
And to the people making comments about the picture? whats wrong with it? If anything its the perfect picture, a female and male pro gamer playing alongside one another, the male using pink the female using black helping to represent the unification that has for so long eluded esports. Inevitable people will comment on her looks, i am ever so sorry she is posing in some disgusting position in a bikini for you. -_-
why u hatin? Honestly I think it's a fun touch and why not comment on it? If it now serves as a "representation of the unification", it's a good thing it's being noticed!
I was hating on the people going on about "Bad picture of her QQ" - i like it ? They are complaining because she isnt pulling a kellymilkies, nerds on a droolfest must be satisfied i guess..
On November 14 2011 16:30 Capped wrote: Congratulations to her! Good to see a female being recruiting "mainly" for skill - i dont really feel slayers'eve was that, more of a publicity stunt.
And to the people making comments about the picture? whats wrong with it? If anything its the perfect picture, a female and male pro gamer playing alongside one another, the male using pink the female using black helping to represent the unification that has for so long eluded esports. Inevitable people will comment on her looks, i am ever so sorry she is posing in some disgusting position in a bikini for you. -_-
why u hatin? Honestly I think it's a fun touch and why not comment on it? If it now serves as a "representation of the unification", it's a good thing it's being noticed!
I was hating on the people going on about "Bad picture of her QQ" - i like it ? They are complaining because she isnt pulling a kellymilkies, nerds on a droolfest must be satisfied i guess..
I think the picture is really cool. Much better than a boring poser picture.
On November 14 2011 16:30 Capped wrote: Congratulations to her! Good to see a female being recruiting "mainly" for skill - i dont really feel slayers'eve was that, more of a publicity stunt.
And to the people making comments about the picture? whats wrong with it? If anything its the perfect picture, a female and male pro gamer playing alongside one another, the male using pink the female using black helping to represent the unification that has for so long eluded esports. Inevitable people will comment on her looks, i am ever so sorry she is posing in some disgusting position in a bikini for you. -_-
why u hatin? Honestly I think it's a fun touch and why not comment on it? If it now serves as a "representation of the unification", it's a good thing it's being noticed!
I was hating on the people going on about "Bad picture of her QQ" - i like it ? They are complaining because she isnt pulling a kellymilkies, nerds on a droolfest must be satisfied i guess..
Oh - the picture in the OP is new.
The OP was originally posted with a different picture - that's the one the people in the first couple pages were commenting on.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
This post is pages back but I wanted to quote this because there is a big difference, Eve won a tiny tournament where no players were above Diamond... she faced mostly golds, there's a huge difference because Aphrodite beat only masters players, no disrespect to eve, I just don't think her skill when she joined SlayerS is as good as Aphrodite's is now.
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On November 14 2011 16:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: OP I think you should mention she is Rainbow's GF? seems like most people these days don't even know Rainbow or know what he looks like xD
Also, lol at the jaw profile comment xD
Also, hopefully this may mean that Rainbow is NOT done with progaming, even if he has to go to the army soon. (The last time we got an interview with him, it was way back in the GSL open seasons when he was one of the best Terrans, and he mentioned how he had a job already so he wasn't playing all the time, and that he was only going to play SC2 uncommittingly until he wasn't good enough anymore, in which he would then join the army. He sounded pretty pessimistic or unmotivated from the tone of the interview =/ I'm surprised he hasn't gone to the army yet nor retired, after being out of Code A for months and performing incredibly horrible in the last days of his GSL run).
However, if he has GF now that he's engaged to, and she has decided to go pro, maybe he will change his mind! After all if he's spending all his time playing Starcraft for 10+ hours a day, they wouldn't have much bonding time as a couple unless she played too :D. I'm hoping Ga Yeon is going pro not just so she can spend more time with Rainbow but because she's committed and motivated/determined.
Also, Rainbow was never going to quit SC2, he's got another year before he HAS to go to the military, if you watched his stream he pretty much played all day and night, plus him trying to qualify each season and qualifiyng this season. He just wants to do his best before he has to go to the military.
On November 14 2011 16:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Also, hopefully this may mean that Rainbow is NOT done with progaming, even if he has to go to the army soon. (The last time we got an interview with him, it was way back in the GSL open seasons when he was one of the best Terrans, and he mentioned how he had a job already so he wasn't playing all the time, and that he was only going to play SC2 uncommittingly until he wasn't good enough anymore, in which he would then join the army. He sounded pretty pessimistic or unmotivated from the tone of the interview =/ I'm surprised he hasn't gone to the army yet nor retired, after being out of Code A for months and performing incredibly horrible in the last days of his GSL run).
However, if he has GF now that he's engaged to, and she has decided to go pro, maybe he will change his mind! After all if he's spending all his time playing Starcraft for 10+ hours a day, they wouldn't have much bonding time as a couple unless she played too :D. I'm hoping Ga Yeon is going pro not just so she can spend more time with Rainbow but because she's committed and motivated/determined.
Rainbow already managed to requalify for Code A this season so I don't think you need to worry too much =)
(though unfortunately for him he's got to play Bomber in round 1 now lol...)
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Pretty cool to see ST pick up Aphrodite (especially since she mechs!), I'm not sure if she's someone who can break through to the GSL level or anything but she's a strong player in her own right and I think this is a pretty good thing to be happening for the scene in general.
Remember this is different to SlayerS recruitment of Eve however - Aphrodite had already proven herself to be a good player before she got the invitation to join StarTale.
And this is quite wrong/subjective. Eve won a female tournament, even if she was only in Diamond.
This post is pages back but I wanted to quote this because there is a big difference, Eve won a tiny tournament where no players were above Diamond... she faced mostly golds, there's a huge difference because Aphrodite beat only masters players, no disrespect to eve, I just don't think her skill when she joined SlayerS is as good as Aphrodite's is now.
The tournament had 1 GM, 4 Masters and 1 Diamond. Aphrodite herself is masters.
On November 14 2011 14:44 Geovu wrote: Why don't you ever see girls with ids like "supRbarBariAnCrush0r." I mean you see guys with ids like "Alicia" LOL.
It's always fluffy animals, pink things and the occasional goddess/ other feminine things.
I'm not sure if she's someone who can break through to the GSL level or anything but she's a strong player in her own right and I think this is a pretty good thing to be happening for the scene in general.
Totaly agree. She looks strong and with the right help she might be able to do really well, wait and see.
Really cool! I'd love to see more and more females becoming progamers and proving themselves on the highest level, I really think that would be insanely good for E-sports. Unlike a lot of other sports, I do not see a clear physical difference between males and females that would make comparing them unfair. Would be great to have a girl winning GSL..
I actually think girls might have the potential to be better at sc2 then guys but there just isn't a rts gaming culture for girls yet. Sc3 all female pro players, calling it.
I would really like to see female pro gamers in the top teams. But i want them there, because of their skill and not just because they're females and somehow playing the game... Look at Slayers Eve. She was on the GSTL rooster several times, but not for her ability, just for promotion and fooling around (She never participated in a Code A qualifier for excample!). It seems like some teams are beginning to get a female gamer as some kind of trophy. I don't know how anybody can like this, cause this is just silly shit.
EDIT: I mean it seems to me like a fuckin joke, that there are even some tournaments with a large prizepool around just for women. Which handicap is there exactly, that women shouldn't be able to compete at the same level as men at video games?
I honestly think this is a great move. people talk about how girls haven't done anything in the pro scene. I feel it has a lot to do with no females being on teams for the most part. I'm sure there are plenty of skilled female SC2 players, that if given the opportunity to join a team, would improve a ton.
On November 14 2011 21:58 Noorgrin wrote: i love my Zowie Celeritas <3
and yeah.... why does he use the pink keyboard? :D
He's probably on Aphrodite's computer lol
pretty sure I've seen that keyboard in the GSL, it is most likely his. edit: also remembering tastosis making comments on a manly keyboard, that was probably that one.
On November 14 2011 21:58 Noorgrin wrote: i love my Zowie Celeritas <3
and yeah.... why does he use the pink keyboard? :D
He's probably on Aphrodite's computer lol
pretty sure I've seen that keyboard in the GSL, it is most likely his. edit: also remembering tastosis making comments on a manly keyboard, that was probably that one.
That was probably Check's keyboard. He's had that limited pink Filco for a long time.
On November 14 2011 09:55 koolaid1990 wrote: girls can be just as good at games as guys but the problem is, theres way more guys playing the game so the chances that there will be better players are much higher. If every single female played sc2, and the guys playing remained the same, the top 3 would probably be female players
Is this a joke? Do you have any solid evidence to back up anything you just said here other than "more males play than females"???
Lets say 10,000,000 males play this game worldwide
Lets say 500,000 females play
95% male and 5% female
There are hundreds of male "progamers" ALL of which would currently beat ANY female progamer...
I understand your enthusiasm but please don't make posts like this without some measure of proof to back up your claim.
On November 14 2011 21:43 TeeTS wrote: EDIT: I mean it seems to me like a fuckin joke, that there are even some tournaments with a large prizepool around just for women. Which handicap is there exactly, that women shouldn't be able to compete at the same level as men at video games?
Due to social pressures, it is likely that at present the mean skill of female players is above the mean skill of male players (female gamers face more pressure to not play war games, so ones that do are on average more dedicated to it), but that there are many more male players of pro-skill (larger populations tend to have higher peaks and lower troughs in skill). Gender-equalise the social pressures and the community size and there is no reason to expect women to play at a significantly different level to men.
Think of the foreigner tournaments in BW. They usually had less-skilled players than Korean tournaments not because foreigners are inherently worse than Koreans, but because the culture surrounding competitive play gave Korean players of professional potential a more beneficial environment to train in - team houses helped players with potential find a supportive learning community, wider social acceptance increased number of players to pick from to join those houses,... Now, in Starcraft 2, many competitions that would have been run as foreigner tournaments with Korean participation neither expected nor desired a few years ago are open to anyone. Koreans still do very well in the scene, but there is a significant enough competitve scene outside of Korea that we are seeing a significant number of top-level players from the rest of the world competing.
Hopefully, something similar will happen with female participation. If we're lucky it won't even have to wait for SC3.
Ah wow, congratulations to aphrodite! I watched a little of her games against flo and I think she deserves a place on the team and a chance to grow and improve as a player. It would be really awesome if she started competing with the guys in tournaments.
Lets say 10,000,000 males play this game worldwide
Lets say 500,000 females play
95% male and 5% female
% of females gamers is probably less important than % of hours played by females.
I'm pretty sure the % of females playing like 10hours/day or at least enough to be on the same skill lvl as pro males is way less than that, when you have so many males having huge amout of game played and stream/replay watch. Could be wrong and have nothing to prove it, but i don't think i am .
On November 14 2011 21:43 TeeTS wrote: EDIT: I mean it seems to me like a fuckin joke, that there are even some tournaments with a large prizepool around just for women. Which handicap is there exactly, that women shouldn't be able to compete at the same level as men at video games?
Due to social pressures, it is likely that at present the mean skill of female players is above the mean skill of male players (female gamers face more pressure to not play war games, so ones that do are on average more dedicated to it), but that there are many more male players of pro-skill (larger populations tend to have higher peaks and lower troughs in skill). Gender-equalise the social pressures and the community size and there is no reason to expect women to play at a significantly different level to men.
Think of the foreigner tournaments in BW. They usually had less-skilled players than Korean tournaments not because foreigners are inherently worse than Koreans, but because the culture surrounding competitive play gave Korean players of professional potential a more beneficial environment to train in - team houses helped players with potential find a supportive learning community, wider social acceptance increased number of players to pick from to join those houses,... Now, in Starcraft 2, many competitions that would have been run as foreigner tournaments with Korean participation neither expected nor desired a few years ago are open to anyone. Koreans still do very well in the scene, but there is a significant enough competitve scene outside of Korea that we are seeing a significant number of top-level players from the rest of the world competing.
Hopefully, something similar will happen with female participation. If we're lucky it won't even have to wait for SC3.
Social Pressures.... In a modern family a girl will be allowed to plat video games and the games she wants. This is point may have been true in the past. In BW there were tournaments for foreigners, cause the koreans had no interest at all to participate. If they had, I don't think anyone would keep them out. A lot of the korean isolation in BW goes back to kespa and it's totalitarian regiment. You can't compare that to the situation between males and females at gaming. And no offensive against Aphrodite, but when i saw her playin on Rainbows Stream she showed the skill of a standard european midmaster terran. Really nothing to be excited about. And this should be enough to get 5k $ prize money in a tourney and becoming a member of one of the worlds strongest SC2 Teams? Sorry but this seems like some publicity action, but nothin more. And this would be nothing but pure sexism
On November 14 2011 21:43 TeeTS wrote: EDIT: I mean it seems to me like a fuckin joke, that there are even some tournaments with a large prizepool around just for women. Which handicap is there exactly, that women shouldn't be able to compete at the same level as men at video games?
Due to social pressures, it is likely that at present the mean skill of female players is above the mean skill of male players (female gamers face more pressure to not play war games, so ones that do are on average more dedicated to it), but that there are many more male players of pro-skill (larger populations tend to have higher peaks and lower troughs in skill). Gender-equalise the social pressures and the community size and there is no reason to expect women to play at a significantly different level to men.
Think of the foreigner tournaments in BW. They usually had less-skilled players than Korean tournaments not because foreigners are inherently worse than Koreans, but because the culture surrounding competitive play gave Korean players of professional potential a more beneficial environment to train in - team houses helped players with potential find a supportive learning community, wider social acceptance increased number of players to pick from to join those houses,... Now, in Starcraft 2, many competitions that would have been run as foreigner tournaments with Korean participation neither expected nor desired a few years ago are open to anyone. Koreans still do very well in the scene, but there is a significant enough competitve scene outside of Korea that we are seeing a significant number of top-level players from the rest of the world competing.
Hopefully, something similar will happen with female participation. If we're lucky it won't even have to wait for SC3.
Social Pressures.... In a modern family a girl will be allowed to plat video games and the games she wants. This is point may have been true in the past. In BW there were tournaments for foreigners, cause the koreans had no interest at all to participate. If they had, I don't think anyone would keep them out. A lot of the korean isolation in BW goes back to kespa and it's totalitarian regiment. You can't compare that to the situation between males and females at gaming. And no offensive against Aphrodite, but when i saw her playin on Rainbows Stream she showed the skill of a standard european midmaster terran. Really nothing to be excited about. And this should be enough to get 5k $ prize money in a tourney and becoming a member of one of the worlds strongest SC2 Teams? Sorry but this seems like some publicity action, but nothin more. And this would be nothing but pure sexism
I can get being people objecting about startale signing her but I don't get why so many people have issues with prize money in a tournament.
Also I think this has much less to do with sexism as it has to do with her being rainbows girlfriend. Not neccasarily better but there is a difference.
For the whole debate here on "girls or guys best gamers" it is not an uncommon fact that men are biologicly more designed to specialize at something, while women generally do well at many things.
Not to say a girl couldn't become the best sc2 player, it just is less likely since men are designed to be able to have tremendous focus at single tasks.
On November 14 2011 21:43 TeeTS wrote: EDIT: I mean it seems to me like a fuckin joke, that there are even some tournaments with a large prizepool around just for women. Which handicap is there exactly, that women shouldn't be able to compete at the same level as men at video games?
Due to social pressures, it is likely that at present the mean skill of female players is above the mean skill of male players (female gamers face more pressure to not play war games, so ones that do are on average more dedicated to it), but that there are many more male players of pro-skill (larger populations tend to have higher peaks and lower troughs in skill). Gender-equalise the social pressures and the community size and there is no reason to expect women to play at a significantly different level to men.
Think of the foreigner tournaments in BW. They usually had less-skilled players than Korean tournaments not because foreigners are inherently worse than Koreans, but because the culture surrounding competitive play gave Korean players of professional potential a more beneficial environment to train in - team houses helped players with potential find a supportive learning community, wider social acceptance increased number of players to pick from to join those houses,... Now, in Starcraft 2, many competitions that would have been run as foreigner tournaments with Korean participation neither expected nor desired a few years ago are open to anyone. Koreans still do very well in the scene, but there is a significant enough competitve scene outside of Korea that we are seeing a significant number of top-level players from the rest of the world competing.
Hopefully, something similar will happen with female participation. If we're lucky it won't even have to wait for SC3.
Social Pressures.... In a modern family a girl will be allowed to plat video games and the games she wants. This is point may have been true in the past. In BW there were tournaments for foreigners, cause the koreans had no interest at all to participate. If they had, I don't think anyone would keep them out. A lot of the korean isolation in BW goes back to kespa and it's totalitarian regiment. You can't compare that to the situation between males and females at gaming. And no offensive against Aphrodite, but when i saw her playin on Rainbows Stream she showed the skill of a standard european midmaster terran. Really nothing to be excited about. And this should be enough to get 5k $ prize money in a tourney and becoming a member of one of the worlds strongest SC2 Teams? Sorry but this seems like some publicity action, but nothin more. And this would be nothing but pure sexism
You haven't watched her play. Her macro is way better than a "midmaster" terran I'm sorry Edit: I'm not saying she is a spectacular sc2 player(yet) but she showed that she's legit KR masters, and that's already better than "Eu midmasters"
Oh wow.... so much jealousy and sexism in this thread. I'm pretty sure females are more than capable at competing on the same level as males but it's a simple fact that the SC2 gamer population is disproportionately male. This game isn't a sport where physicality divides the athletes - it's a computer game where time, dedication, and a certain amount of talent directly correlates to results. Some of you seriously believe that females are inferior to males at SC2, it's just laughable. If there were more females playing this game then I'm sure we'd see more of them on par with the guys. Take into consideration as well: does a girl really want to practice in a tiny house full of dudes?
Congratulations to you Aphrodite, your play at zowie divine was stellar.
I really hope a female gamer will make it through the eye of the needle and compete with the best, it makes for a fantastic storyline, like Kat in the FPS world.
Hopefully she's actually good enough to be a pro. Girls getting on pro teams to look pretty is stupid, girls actually being competitive should be encouraged.
This is pretty cool. I'm interested to see how she performs in a mainstream tournement. If she keeps a strick practice regiment I don't see why she can't be really good.
Also, the fact that she is Rainbow's girlfriends = me </3
On November 14 2011 21:43 TeeTS wrote: EDIT: I mean it seems to me like a fuckin joke, that there are even some tournaments with a large prizepool around just for women. Which handicap is there exactly, that women shouldn't be able to compete at the same level as men at video games?
Due to social pressures, it is likely that at present the mean skill of female players is above the mean skill of male players (female gamers face more pressure to not play war games, so ones that do are on average more dedicated to it), but that there are many more male players of pro-skill (larger populations tend to have higher peaks and lower troughs in skill). Gender-equalise the social pressures and the community size and there is no reason to expect women to play at a significantly different level to men.
Think of the foreigner tournaments in BW. They usually had less-skilled players than Korean tournaments not because foreigners are inherently worse than Koreans, but because the culture surrounding competitive play gave Korean players of professional potential a more beneficial environment to train in - team houses helped players with potential find a supportive learning community, wider social acceptance increased number of players to pick from to join those houses,... Now, in Starcraft 2, many competitions that would have been run as foreigner tournaments with Korean participation neither expected nor desired a few years ago are open to anyone. Koreans still do very well in the scene, but there is a significant enough competitve scene outside of Korea that we are seeing a significant number of top-level players from the rest of the world competing.
Hopefully, something similar will happen with female participation. If we're lucky it won't even have to wait for SC3.
On November 15 2011 00:12 alexey350 wrote: Oh wow.... so much jealousy and sexism in this thread. I'm pretty sure females are more than capable at competing on the same level as males but it's a simple fact that the SC2 gamer population is disproportionately male. This game isn't a sport where physicality divides the athletes - it's a computer game where time, dedication, and a certain amount of talent directly correlates to results. Some of you seriously believe that females are inferior to males at SC2, it's just laughable. If there were more females playing this game then I'm sure we'd see more of them on par with the guys. Take into consideration as well: does a girl really want to practice in a tiny house full of dudes?
Actually a female hasn't won a single notable or even online cup that males have been in. I'm not sexist, I'm a realistic. And it isn't "Wow shame on you guys", its more like "Yes you read numbers and observe tournament winners". Considering there have been thousands of these online cups, the "5%" females would have won one now.
Can't believe people are finding things to be negative and critical about in this news. You really think the $5,000 she got has some detrimental effect on the chances of aspiring male gamers? And don't tell me she's taking the spot on ST that some potentially great male progamer could take. ST would make room for great talent if they found it..and in any case they can do what they want with their team.
I am extremely happy for her, its good to see female sc2 pro players joining the scene. She should definitely be a more active player than SlayerSEve. Grats to her and StarTale!
Lots of suprising comments I gotta say :S Lets just see how it turns out, Female gamers have an equal chance to male gamers, that is if they train hard like all the other male gamers... simple as that.
And I hope Eve and Aphrodite do well, and I believe they will be atleast decent or even better when they are both part of such good teams :D
This will be extremely interesting seeing how good she can get. On a side note, why are Starcraft 2 pros complete ballers when it comes to girlfriends?
Did anyone else notice that in that photo, Rainbow is using the pink keyboard, while she is using the black one? I would have expected it to be the other way around .
I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
On November 15 2011 06:02 tsilaicos wrote: I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
Literally nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
On November 15 2011 06:02 tsilaicos wrote: I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
Literally nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
Maybe people would still talk about here, if she was not korean but instead on a weaker server.
On November 15 2011 06:02 tsilaicos wrote: I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
Literally nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
Because yeah, StarTale, those scrubs, who cares who joins them. Now of course whether she would have gotten the invite had she been a male is something we could question, but come on TL. "tournaments for just girls are bad", "omg she must have just gotten picked up by a male dominated team because she's a girl".. what do you want? ><
Grats to her and I hope she does well. E-sports has been growing like crazy over the last year, there's really no reason why the opposite sex couldn't join in on the fun. Here's to hoping, because that would actually be a good thing.
On November 15 2011 05:56 Piledriver wrote: /Offtopic
Did anyone else notice that in that photo, Rainbow is using the pink keyboard, while she is using the black one? I would have expected it to be the other way around .
I guess we know who wears the pants in that relationship :D
On November 15 2011 06:02 tsilaicos wrote: I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
Literally nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
Why does this mean her looks should necessarily be discussed? What you actually just said is that because she's female, her looks must be discussed. That only repeats the bias tsilaicos was criticizing lol.
Sorry if this hasn't been mentioned anywhere in the last 16 pages, but does anyone find it weird that the guy is using a pink keyboard and the girl is using a black one? Let's see if Aphrodite will actually play some good games, or just become another Tossgirl, please don't let that happen...
On November 15 2011 05:56 Piledriver wrote: /Offtopic
Did anyone else notice that in that photo, Rainbow is using the pink keyboard, while she is using the black one? I would have expected it to be the other way around .
I guess we know who wears the pants in that relationship :D
LOL ouch. ^^ I'm sure she is extremely caring and womanly towards Rainbow
On November 15 2011 09:56 cydial wrote: Good to see a female player that actually earns her spot on the team.
Also, she's actually attractive.
Ah I couldn't ignore this post. How did she 'earn' the spot. She won a female masters level tournament. Everyone on ST is grandmaster level. She won't be used competitively, its the exact same thing as Eve. A tie to the team (girlfriend of rainbow, Eve mentored by Boxers GF), plus a result in a female tourney. It isn't like she won a major tourney.
we shall see where this goes. Is it just a publicity stunt, or are they actually planning on training her? I'm still waiting to see something come from slayers eve, the only thing I saw was the special 2v2 and she ran all her bio into a tank line and lost.
On November 14 2011 10:05 CeriseCherries wrote: IdrA is going to make her cry
Well I hope she does well; winning that tourney is a good start but she needs to prove her mettle some more...
LOL@Idra comment. Also rainbow looks like a douche with that hat like that.
For those unaware, IdrA in BW beat ToSsGirL at a tournament. When interviewed afterwards ToSsGirL said that she creid after losing to Greg. Then came the erotic fan fiction and....a glorious legend was born.
On November 15 2011 06:02 tsilaicos wrote: I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
Literally nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
Why does this mean her looks should necessarily be discussed? What you actually just said is that because she's female, her looks must be discussed. That only repeats the bias tsilaicos was criticizing lol.
I think his point is that because she wasn't that good she was clearly picked up for her looks; and because of that, then her looks are a fair topic for conversation, a conversation which includes some degree of bashing.
On November 15 2011 06:02 tsilaicos wrote: I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
Literally nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
Why does this mean her looks should necessarily be discussed? What you actually just said is that because she's female, her looks must be discussed. That only repeats the bias tsilaicos was criticizing lol.
I think his point is that because she wasn't that good she was clearly picked up for her looks; and because of that, then her looks are a fair topic for conversation, a conversation which includes some degree of bashing.
The sentence "nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female" can only be read one way, which is how I read it. He didn't say anything about her looks, he just said "female." Therefore he's saying that because she's female, her appearance is a fair topic. Pretty clear if you ask me.
On November 15 2011 09:56 cydial wrote: Good to see a female player that actually earns her spot on the team.
Also, she's actually attractive.
Uh......... I don't know about "earn". She played in a female only tournament.... Now perhaps she's actually on par with male players on that team, that I don't know. But from what I gather she got this position because she won a female only tournament, something that I don't really see as an "achievement". Perhaps if she had gotten into Code A, or something, then yeah I'd be like "yeah, that's a pretty legit move."
I just hope she actually plays in GSL, and does well. Otherwise women are just getting preferential treatment in team acceptance.
On November 15 2011 09:56 cydial wrote: Good to see a female player that actually earns her spot on the team.
Also, she's actually attractive.
Uh......... I don't know about "earn". She played in a female only tournament.... Now perhaps she's actually on par with male players on that team, that I don't know. But from what I gather she got this position because she won a female only tournament, something that I don't really see as an "achievement". Perhaps if she had gotten into Code A, or something, then yeah I'd be like "yeah, that's a pretty legit move."
I just hope she actually plays in GSL, and does well. Otherwise women are just getting preferential treatment in team acceptance.
maybe you don't see it as an accomplishment, but thankfully Startale does. It's a huge achievement and without female only tournaments we will most likely always have men only tournaments. It's not a special treetment it's just fair.
On November 15 2011 09:56 cydial wrote: Good to see a female player that actually earns her spot on the team.
Also, she's actually attractive.
Uh......... I don't know about "earn". She played in a female only tournament.... Now perhaps she's actually on par with male players on that team, that I don't know. But from what I gather she got this position because she won a female only tournament, something that I don't really see as an "achievement". Perhaps if she had gotten into Code A, or something, then yeah I'd be like "yeah, that's a pretty legit move."
I just hope she actually plays in GSL, and does well. Otherwise women are just getting preferential treatment in team acceptance.
maybe you don't see it as an accomplishment, but thankfully Startale does. It's a huge achievement and without female only tournaments we will most likely always have men only tournaments. It's not a special treetment it's just fair.
Last time I checked the rules of tournaments doesn't state you need to have a penis to participate.
On November 15 2011 06:02 tsilaicos wrote: I'm not an extremist feminist or anything like that but am i the only one who finds it kind of weird that half of these comments are about that photo and how scary she looks on it? isn't that a bit weird? why not focus on her gameplay instead of her looks? please.
ont: grats, awesome to see more girls in the pro scene! i hope she'll become really good.
Literally nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female. Can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
Why does this mean her looks should necessarily be discussed? What you actually just said is that because she's female, her looks must be discussed. That only repeats the bias tsilaicos was criticizing lol.
I think his point is that because she wasn't that good she was clearly picked up for her looks; and because of that, then her looks are a fair topic for conversation, a conversation which includes some degree of bashing.
The sentence "nobody would be talking about her at all if she weren't female" can only be read one way, which is how I read it. He didn't say anything about her looks, he just said "female." Therefore he's saying that because she's female, her appearance is a fair topic. Pretty clear if you ask me.
I don't see what the big deal is. I'm just as interested in how the male pro gamers look, too. Nada's body thread anyone?
Looks like they've swapped keyboards in that picture...!
On a serious note brilliant news for esports and the SC2 gaming scene more girl gamers can only help widen the reach of esports and hopefully she can make some sort of impact!
if i recall corrctly, her name is ga young. i talked to her on rainbow's stream. she seemed really nice & she was pretty good at english so should be fun if she decides to take up streaming herself.. best of luck to her!
On November 15 2011 22:26 Cheerio wrote: preferential treatment for hot girls is fine with me. If this is how sc2 gets more popular hell yeah!
I am not sure that this would make sc2 more popular. When fdemale gamers get chosen by their looks instead of their skill, this takes away legitimacy of the female players. In this case however aphrodite won a tournament that had most likely the strongest female lineup so far. Colagirl (who lost to aphrodite) was a grandmaster. So skillwise she is not bad. Let's see how good she gets as part of a professional team.
She is actually almost as good looking as TossGirl when he dolls herself up. I'm happy for her she can speak english, play sc2, and is rainbows BF. What girl would not want Rainbow for a BF he is a cutie.
On November 16 2011 06:30 Raid wrote: She is actually almost as good looking as TossGirl when he dolls herself up. I'm happy for her she can speak english, play sc2, and is rainbows BF. What girl would not want Rainbow for a BF he is a cutie.
Dude, what guy wouldn't want Rainbow for a bf too.
I hope some of these girls can get into the GSL eventually. I saw her final game in the Divina and although I can't comment on her skill, her reaction to winning was cute at the end of the game. She looked geniunly happy to have played and won which I respect. Best of luck to her.
On November 15 2011 09:56 cydial wrote: Good to see a female player that actually earns her spot on the team.
Also, she's actually attractive.
Uh......... I don't know about "earn". She played in a female only tournament.... Now perhaps she's actually on par with male players on that team, that I don't know. But from what I gather she got this position because she won a female only tournament, something that I don't really see as an "achievement". Perhaps if she had gotten into Code A, or something, then yeah I'd be like "yeah, that's a pretty legit move."
I just hope she actually plays in GSL, and does well. Otherwise women are just getting preferential treatment in team acceptance.
maybe you don't see it as an accomplishment, but thankfully Startale does. It's a huge achievement and without female only tournaments we will most likely always have men only tournaments. It's not a special treetment it's just fair.
Really? I have never heard of a men only tournament, maybe you'd care to enlighten me about a tournament with such a requirement.
I am going to be honest, I think it was for eye candy she is picked up. HOWEVER I hope I am wrong I hope she owns and does her thing. But I do not like the fact teams are picking up girls for eye candy and not there skill also what about some of the semi-pro players that are not on a major team, what about them is she taking a spot away from them?
Like I said if she starts to compete and really represent ST then never mind what I said and I wish her GL. :D ( and yes I read she beat flo 2-0 however if that is the only result we see from her ... then I mean I think my eye candy theory still counts.)
On November 17 2011 12:11 SeizeTheDay wrote: I am going to be honest, I think it was for eye candy she is picked up. HOWEVER I hope I am wrong I hope she owns and does her thing. But I do not like the fact teams are picking up girls for eye candy and not there skill also what about some of the semi-pro players that are not on a major team, what about them is she taking a spot away from them?
Like I said if she starts to compete and really represent ST then never mind what I said and I wish her GL. :D ( and yes I read she beat flo 2-0 however if that is the only result we see from her ... then I mean I think my eye candy theory still counts.)
shes korean masters and just won a tournament. eve was a lot more questionable than aphrodite.
and besides, why would the team captain use his girlfriend as eyecandy?
Cool cool, I should have watched those games. I probably won't, but maybe next time. It will be awesome to see women start breaking into the bigger tournaments as players rather than as stage-candy.
On November 18 2011 20:37 Hertzy wrote: Am I missing something here, or is Aphrodite not eligible for team recruitment anyway, ovaries or no ovaries?
Anyway, congrats to her.
What does that even mean
I'm wondering if it would be unthinkable for a team to sign up a male of comparable skill. It's almost like the Divina cup was reduced in prestige now that the winner scored a place in a team.
On November 18 2011 20:37 Hertzy wrote: Am I missing something here, or is Aphrodite not eligible for team recruitment anyway, ovaries or no ovaries?
Anyway, congrats to her.
What does that even mean
I'm wondering if it would be unthinkable for a team to sign up a male of comparable skill. It's almost like the Divina cup was reduced in prestige now that the winner scored a place in a team.
Teams can sign whoever they want. If they want to sign a bronze player for some reason it's their business not ours
GL Aphrodite - hope you train, improve, and bring sweet sweet terran beat downs to your foes.
As to the rest of the thread... You wonder why females may be less inclined to want to become progamers? Read back through the thread... a lot of the negatives are quite apparent. (Focus on appearance, belief that appearance for female gamers is better than skill, disbelief that a female's skill could be the primary factor, and then the normal claims about skill by people she could probably beat most of the time on the ladder.) And if a female is both attractive and wants to be a progamer? Imagine the reaction when she tries to navigate the open bracket pits at an MLG - "Hey, you're Rainbow's girlfriend?! Lucky!" And of course dodging the nerd drool from people that want to put her on a pedestal because she is both a female and a SC2 player. It's not exactly a welcoming environment, because it's always about someone being a woman first, and any potential skill or gaming ability second. Let's wait and see how she performs - and I hope ST does help her improve and lets her compete.
Oh, and Huk said back a few pages that he thinks she can play. Not a bad endorsement. Let's see what comes next.
(And have to say, about the keyboards - is anyone really surprised a guy named Rainbow is using a hot pink keyboard? Obviously your narrow views on proper gender color schemes don't matter to him. He just fights on and lets the haters hate while he's busy playing.)
On November 15 2011 09:56 cydial wrote: Good to see a female player that actually earns her spot on the team.
Also, she's actually attractive.
Ah I couldn't ignore this post. How did she 'earn' the spot. She won a female masters level tournament. Everyone on ST is grandmaster level. She won't be used competitively, its the exact same thing as Eve. A tie to the team (girlfriend of rainbow, Eve mentored by Boxers GF), plus a result in a female tourney. It isn't like she won a major tourney.
I couldn't ignore this, she won a tournemant unlike her counterpart Eve. It's a masters level tournament, that's not too bad considering she's just starting out.
On November 15 2011 09:56 cydial wrote: Good to see a female player that actually earns her spot on the team.
Also, she's actually attractive.
Ah I couldn't ignore this post. How did she 'earn' the spot. She won a female masters level tournament. Everyone on ST is grandmaster level. She won't be used competitively, its the exact same thing as Eve. A tie to the team (girlfriend of rainbow, Eve mentored by Boxers GF), plus a result in a female tourney. It isn't like she won a major tourney.
I couldn't ignore this, she won a tournemant unlike her counterpart Eve. It's a masters level tournament, that's not too bad considering she's just starting out.
One also has to mention that one player at the tournament was grandmaster (Colagirl) and Aphrodite won against her.
On November 18 2011 20:37 Hertzy wrote: Am I missing something here, or is Aphrodite not eligible for team recruitment anyway, ovaries or no ovaries?
Anyway, congrats to her.
What does that even mean
I'm wondering if it would be unthinkable for a team to sign up a male of comparable skill. It's almost like the Divina cup was reduced in prestige now that the winner scored a place in a team.
Teams can hire who they want.. Incontrol is a more valuable member to EG than Axslav even though their results are pretty similar..
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flo 2-0 in the finals with solid mech play to take the first place prize of $5000, as well as a golden ZOWIE MiCO mouse.
, solid mech play WOOHOO i wonder if she played bw, probably since shes korean :O gl gl
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