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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 02:10:49
November 16 2011 01:47 GMT
#1121
Amanda's has been covered by IPL's fundraising efforts yesterday. TGR is still in the hole as well as everyone else that Gus bailed on. That's everyone involved, Tastosis n' all, except for the players, whom are paid directly by a sponsor.
Thank God and gunrun.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
November 16 2011 02:00 GMT
#1122
On November 15 2011 13:27 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 13:18 RusHXceL wrote:
Can someone please do a quick 2-4 sentence summary Please???

- PPSL was a stand alone event
- IPL decided to give a lil money to sponsor it and also use this as an opportunity for IPL4 Pacific qualifiers (as well as growing Esports in Asia)
- The main organiser from Team AZK is a guy called "Gus Ledesma" i.e. AZKwitchdoc
- He essentially holds all the funding from various parties
- and He decided not to pay up for anything. He also lied / made the prizepool ambiguous ($7000 ---> $3500)
- He also likes to talk trash and not honour his words
- As a result, Amanda the travel agent who booked flights + hotel, who Gus promised to pay, is in serious debt. She has to pay the debt or she'll be fired from her company / be jailed / both.
- Gunrun and co have paid up partially so the police haven't swooped them up yet.

- IPL is trying to appeal to the community to save Amanda from going to jail.
- Gus has released the most irresponsible statement so far in Esports (possibly rivaling Millenium's) re: what happened
- Gus has since disappeared with the money which was supposed to pay what was described above


I'm interested in that bit. Can someone familiar with the legal realities in the Philippines clarify?

I read somewhere earlier in the thread that if Gus runs off with the money, he's likely to get away with it since the infrastructure/judicial system to hunt him down and/or prosecute him doesn't exist over there.

But at the same time the cops are astute enough that there's a real risk of them jailing an effectively innocent party within a week of things going down? What would have happened if Amanda directed them to Gus?

I realise this is a moot point because of the fundraiser, but it still seems like there's a contradiction or gross oversight somewhere in there.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
November 16 2011 02:45 GMT
#1123
On November 16 2011 11:00 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 13:27 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
On November 15 2011 13:18 RusHXceL wrote:
Can someone please do a quick 2-4 sentence summary Please???

- PPSL was a stand alone event
- IPL decided to give a lil money to sponsor it and also use this as an opportunity for IPL4 Pacific qualifiers (as well as growing Esports in Asia)
- The main organiser from Team AZK is a guy called "Gus Ledesma" i.e. AZKwitchdoc
- He essentially holds all the funding from various parties
- and He decided not to pay up for anything. He also lied / made the prizepool ambiguous ($7000 ---> $3500)
- He also likes to talk trash and not honour his words
- As a result, Amanda the travel agent who booked flights + hotel, who Gus promised to pay, is in serious debt. She has to pay the debt or she'll be fired from her company / be jailed / both.
- Gunrun and co have paid up partially so the police haven't swooped them up yet.

- IPL is trying to appeal to the community to save Amanda from going to jail.
- Gus has released the most irresponsible statement so far in Esports (possibly rivaling Millenium's) re: what happened
- Gus has since disappeared with the money which was supposed to pay what was described above


I'm interested in that bit. Can someone familiar with the legal realities in the Philippines clarify?

I read somewhere earlier in the thread that if Gus runs off with the money, he's likely to get away with it since the infrastructure/judicial system to hunt him down and/or prosecute him doesn't exist over there.

But at the same time the cops are astute enough that there's a real risk of them jailing an effectively innocent party within a week of things going down? What would have happened if Amanda directed them to Gus?

I realise this is a moot point because of the fundraiser, but it still seems like there's a contradiction or gross oversight somewhere in there.

I do not know where I read about it, if it was somewhere on TL or reddit, but this is how I understood what happened:

Amanda works at the travel agency. Gus has used that travel agency in the past and had paid reliably at that time. Amanda is actually a (now past) member of Team AZK. Gus showed up with about 30 % of the price for the flights as a down payment, and Amanda booked the flights. The travel agency can book flights without immediately paying. If the flights are not payed by November 21, the travel agency will be banned from whatever system is used for booking flights, and has to shut down business, and Amanda is the travel agent that is liable.

So the problem seemed to be that there simply is no money, perhaps because Gus squandered it, and what the judiciary system works like does not actually matter for this problem. I did not read anything about how the contract looked like, if perhaps there does not exist anything written, and going to court would not even work without lawyers and arguing about oral agreements and witnesses and whatnot.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
TheGunrun
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States98 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 02:46:45
November 16 2011 02:46 GMT
#1124
I'm not in any trouble with the police if anyone thinks that

But it would still be nice if Gus could pay me back..

More info to come tomorrow on CSN's show! (Interviews etc.)
One vision, One Purpose!
Altern
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1053 Posts
November 16 2011 02:51 GMT
#1125
What cave is gus hiding in? Its been awhile since we've heard from him. This guy refuses to offer any explaination and its been so long that its hard to believe anything he says. I wouldn't be suprised if he dodged the csn show.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
November 16 2011 02:54 GMT
#1126
On November 16 2011 11:51 Altern wrote:
What cave is gus hiding in? Its been awhile since we've heard from him. This guy refuses to offer any explaination and its been so long that its hard to believe anything he says. I wouldn't be suprised if he dodged the csn show.


apparently he did not dodge, csn said he'll be speaking tomorrow on one of their shows (not sure if the show was pre-recorded or not)
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 03:00:58
November 16 2011 02:59 GMT
#1127
On November 16 2011 11:45 Ropid wrote:
I do not know where I read about it, if it was somewhere on TL or reddit, but this is how I understood what happened:

Amanda works at the travel agency. Gus has used that travel agency in the past and had paid reliably at that time. Amanda is actually a (now past) member of Team AZK. Gus showed up with about 30 % of the price for the flights as a down payment, and Amanda booked the flights. The travel agency can book flights without immediately paying. If the flights are not payed by November 21, the travel agency will be banned from whatever system is used for booking flights, and has to shut down business, and Amanda is the travel agent that is liable.

So the problem seemed to be that there simply is no money, perhaps because Gus squandered it, and what the judiciary system works like does not actually matter for this problem. I did not read anything about how the contract looked like, if perhaps there does not exist anything written, and going to court would not even work without lawyers and arguing about oral agreements and witnesses and whatnot.


That's kind of crazy then. I'm no travel agent so maybe that's normal in the industry, but it seems like a system like that leaves the travel agents wide open to this sort of thing happening all the time. If I could book flights through an agent with a percentage downpayment, use the flights, never cough up the remainder, and have the agent be the one punished for my negligence... why would I ever pay the full amount for flights? That's insane.

If that's true, I can only assume booking on the 30% downpayment was an under the table or otherwise exceptional decision on Amanda's part because she thought she could trust him...

csa_andrew
Profile Joined July 2010
United States334 Posts
November 16 2011 05:38 GMT
#1128
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=256973

show will air 11/16/11 @ 9 PM EST go to the link above for the info

Gus makes statement
Arkanthiel
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines100 Posts
November 16 2011 05:57 GMT
#1129
On November 16 2011 11:59 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 11:45 Ropid wrote:
I do not know where I read about it, if it was somewhere on TL or reddit, but this is how I understood what happened:

Amanda works at the travel agency. Gus has used that travel agency in the past and had paid reliably at that time. Amanda is actually a (now past) member of Team AZK. Gus showed up with about 30 % of the price for the flights as a down payment, and Amanda booked the flights. The travel agency can book flights without immediately paying. If the flights are not payed by November 21, the travel agency will be banned from whatever system is used for booking flights, and has to shut down business, and Amanda is the travel agent that is liable.

So the problem seemed to be that there simply is no money, perhaps because Gus squandered it, and what the judiciary system works like does not actually matter for this problem. I did not read anything about how the contract looked like, if perhaps there does not exist anything written, and going to court would not even work without lawyers and arguing about oral agreements and witnesses and whatnot.


That's kind of crazy then. I'm no travel agent so maybe that's normal in the industry, but it seems like a system like that leaves the travel agents wide open to this sort of thing happening all the time. If I could book flights through an agent with a percentage downpayment, use the flights, never cough up the remainder, and have the agent be the one punished for my negligence... why would I ever pay the full amount for flights? That's insane.

If that's true, I can only assume booking on the 30% downpayment was an under the table or otherwise exceptional decision on Amanda's part because she thought she could trust him...





Basically this. Usually you book your trips under your name. But Gus somehow convinced Amanda to book them under her name, which is why shes the one that was under threat of going to jail.
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Zraf
Profile Joined August 2010
54 Posts
November 16 2011 07:05 GMT
#1130
On November 16 2011 14:57 Arkanthiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2011 11:59 Belisarius wrote:
On November 16 2011 11:45 Ropid wrote:
I do not know where I read about it, if it was somewhere on TL or reddit, but this is how I understood what happened:

Amanda works at the travel agency. Gus has used that travel agency in the past and had paid reliably at that time. Amanda is actually a (now past) member of Team AZK. Gus showed up with about 30 % of the price for the flights as a down payment, and Amanda booked the flights. The travel agency can book flights without immediately paying. If the flights are not payed by November 21, the travel agency will be banned from whatever system is used for booking flights, and has to shut down business, and Amanda is the travel agent that is liable.

So the problem seemed to be that there simply is no money, perhaps because Gus squandered it, and what the judiciary system works like does not actually matter for this problem. I did not read anything about how the contract looked like, if perhaps there does not exist anything written, and going to court would not even work without lawyers and arguing about oral agreements and witnesses and whatnot.


That's kind of crazy then. I'm no travel agent so maybe that's normal in the industry, but it seems like a system like that leaves the travel agents wide open to this sort of thing happening all the time. If I could book flights through an agent with a percentage downpayment, use the flights, never cough up the remainder, and have the agent be the one punished for my negligence... why would I ever pay the full amount for flights? That's insane.

If that's true, I can only assume booking on the 30% downpayment was an under the table or otherwise exceptional decision on Amanda's part because she thought she could trust him...





Basically this. Usually you book your trips under your name. But Gus somehow convinced Amanda to book them under her name, which is why shes the one that was under threat of going to jail.


Sometimes (tho I'm not saying this is what happened in this case) is that people get "freebies" for booking a large amount of flights, like free tickets, hotel etc. Which is why some agents book flights under their own name and not inform the customer about the said freebies, to keep it for themselves. Again just a possibility why she used her name instead of Gus', considering the amount of tickets bought.
SeltzerPlease
Profile Joined February 2011
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 07:25:28
November 16 2011 07:25 GMT
#1131
On our show tonight (Nov 16th at 9pmEST), Gus answers a few of the questions in this thread. Dox, Gunrun, Rossi the Australian Qualifier, and TorcH also weigh in with their perspectives on the PPSL event and its aftermath. Check it out:

[image loading]
threehundred
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada911 Posts
November 16 2011 08:28 GMT
#1132
i'd just like to comment and say whatever gus ledesma says is NOT THE ENTIRETY OF FILIPINO ESPORTS.

like first of all, the PPSL isn't the first SC2 event of that size (eg. WCG SC2/DOTA was held in a different mall the week before and ran JUST FINE). but i will acknowledge it's the first ESPORTS event of that 'importance' eg. flying in tons of foreigners etc..

i just hope CSN doesn't take GUS LEDESMA'S voice as the representative of PH eSports. the guy is barely respected by his own local eSports community even before the PPSL happened because of shoddy tournaments within the last year. have you seen the PPSL video that directly put himself in the spotlight http://www.youtube.com/user/gusledesma1?blend=2&ob=5#p/u/11/uMbjag2JxAA as the opposition of other organizers that have been doing this for years. not that the move was a bad thing, but his reputation at the time was not respectable either.
KimTaeyeon MEDIC MU fighting! ^^;;
threehundred
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada911 Posts
November 16 2011 08:34 GMT
#1133
here's more hate, i just watched the video again

team azk open
85 players

mineski sc2 open
28 players

LOL but did the video say there was a 2v2 and ffa bracket at the azk open? i mean this entire creating an enemy for himself not only propelled him into the hot seat (for fanatics like me to criticize) but also created an entire wave of non-sense hate and overall non-localized support for an event which was named after our country.
KimTaeyeon MEDIC MU fighting! ^^;;
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
November 16 2011 08:41 GMT
#1134
I just watched the video now. I took notice on the list of sponsors in that vid against the current one. Well, what happened to Powercolor, CoolerMaster and "GAME!" (couldn't read the small texts)?
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-16 09:20:55
November 16 2011 09:20 GMT
#1135
On November 16 2011 16:25 SeltzerPlease wrote:
On our show tonight (Nov 16th at 9pmEST), Gus answers a few of the questions in this thread. Dox, Gunrun, Rossi the Australian Qualifier, and TorcH also weigh in with their perspectives on the PPSL event and its aftermath. Check it out:

Link

This will be very interesting for sure, hopefully it'll be some kind of interaction with the interviewer and not just a prerecorded message from his webcam (which usually has a mic you can use to appear on Lo3 for example) :/
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Zvek
Profile Joined November 2011
Faroe Islands102 Posts
November 16 2011 13:26 GMT
#1136
On November 16 2011 16:25 SeltzerPlease wrote:
On our show tonight (Nov 16th at 9pmEST), Gus answers a few of the questions in this thread. Dox, Gunrun, Rossi the Australian Qualifier, and TorcH also weigh in with their perspectives on the PPSL event and its aftermath. Check it out:

[image loading]

Prerecorded video? I'm sure it will still say nothing to clarify anything meaningful.
Well Gus if you are still making that video please answer this:

How did you spend the money? Please provide a detailed breakdown of all the expenses
as per the money generated from all the sponsors, complete with receipts.


At this point, I don't care about the PPSL mess up, I don't care about whatever happens to AZK, I don't care about the Moonglade, Amanda, Gunrun fiasco, I don't care about anything. Just tell us what you did to the money and how you plan
to pay your debt to all of them.
SeltzerPlease
Profile Joined February 2011
United States191 Posts
November 16 2011 19:15 GMT
#1137
On November 16 2011 17:28 threehundred wrote:
i'd just like to comment and say whatever gus ledesma says is NOT THE ENTIRETY OF FILIPINO ESPORTS.

like first of all, the PPSL isn't the first SC2 event of that size (eg. WCG SC2/DOTA was held in a different mall the week before and ran JUST FINE). but i will acknowledge it's the first ESPORTS event of that 'importance' eg. flying in tons of foreigners etc..

i just hope CSN doesn't take GUS LEDESMA'S voice as the representative of PH eSports. the guy is barely respected by his own local eSports community even before the PPSL happened because of shoddy tournaments within the last year. have you seen the PPSL video that directly put himself in the spotlight http://www.youtube.com/user/gusledesma1?blend=2&ob=5#p/u/11/uMbjag2JxAA as the opposition of other organizers that have been doing this for years. not that the move was a bad thing, but his reputation at the time was not respectable either.


We discuss the Pinoy Gaming Festival and many of the positive aspects of Filipino and SEA esports with TheGunrun and Dox and even Rossi, one of the PPSL competitors has some nice things to say. I think we managed to find several interesting perspectives on the situation as a whole.
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
November 16 2011 20:08 GMT
#1138
I hope you didn't go easy on him, Seltzer. Several hard hitting questions gotta be asked, even if he will be evasive.
Thank God and gunrun.
Jason54178
Profile Joined July 2011
United States84 Posts
November 16 2011 20:09 GMT
#1139
Can anyone sum up what happened with the interview? Thanks.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 16 2011 20:41 GMT
#1140
The thing is it'll be nice to hear him talk but it won't really provide anything worthwhile because all he will spew is lies and excuses.
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