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On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up
Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another.
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On November 10 2011 13:02 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another.
I'm just relaying what the crew, those who are in direct contact with Gus and were involved in the production, are saying in StarcraftPH. There wasn't enough money, they had to chip in even, because Gus wanted it to be super extravegant. Added a big ass led screen and an expensive prod crew.
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On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did.
Moonglade has already stated that Gus DID in fact try to bribe him into taking the 2nd spot and that Glade refused cause he knew that it was in fact a bribe in all but name.
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On November 10 2011 13:02 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600
Within 5 minutes of the qualifiers completing, I passed on the contact info of Rossi (#1) and TargA (#2) to Gus, but there was no reply. I went away for a 2-day Halloween party, and while I was out of town, I received numerous text messages from people like YoonYJ and mOOnGLaDe, with the following information:
-TargA declined his invitation to the Pacific Qualifiers due to university exams.
-YoonYJ is next in line for the seat.
-Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus offered mOOnGLaDe a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation, on the condition that he is required to join Team AZK. (GLaDe declined)
-If your mind hasn't started connecting the dots yet, just consider their alleged acquisition of viOlet and now NEXSickness. Also ex-WeMadeFOX players Moon and Soccer being tagged as AZK players. Yeah.
Again why would this be mis-information he(Dox) got text messages from the players; why would he lie about these things.
If they weren't true surely gus would have clarified in his Public apology.
But instead he was in denial about them and didn't Fucking Mention it.
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On November 10 2011 13:02 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another.
Why would a massive group of people who don't have anything to do with each other (Team AZK, the AV guy they got, Seltzer and Torch, TheGunRun, his friends, and the sponsors S2 and IPL) want to lie and spread mis-information on one small event with one guy who at least 3/4 of the accusers have nothing to do with?
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Not many people have seen this Statement it was on page 18 i think...
Link:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=350&topic_id=283641
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"add to this, even the staff of AZK felt that we got scammed, Gus who we think has all the funds for this event, and the one who promised us that he will pay us, didn't pay us at all.
It's so sad that we the staff, did our best to make things work out, and the spotlight for hate is turned to us.
On the first day of the event, Gus was nowhere to be found. He arrived late on the event. And it was a great thing Torch was there. I am a staff member, but I would like to speak on behalf of the staff members, who didn't even got the chance to EAT (since he didn't give a fuck if we ate or not) or got even paid as promised.
this is really disappointing and sad.. pointing all the blame to team azk, without knowing what really was happening even between the members and Gus. It is unfair to tell everyone here that the leaders just disappeared,its not fair to judge everything by what you see without even knowing what really happen, THEY DIDN'T DISAPPEAR. They went out to look for a computer cafe with (2 group brackets--8players) so that they could finish all the games in TIME (since there is really nothing good if they wait until the computer/internet's fixed).
And about the HoN tournament, we were asking for Gus's Decision whether we push through the tournament, but he insisted NO. being his staff members, we follow his orders since we are just merely staff members. With this incident, we sincerely apologize, we can't do anything about it even if we wanted to make it happen, GUS wouldn't allow us, he just insisted NO and that we should push through the SC2 Tournament.
We, his own staff members also feel that we got scammed for not being paid (or even given the budget for food and drinks the least) and on behalf of my team, we are really frustrated, tired and disappointed at his leadership. When he arrived late at the venue, he doesn't seem to be on the right mind to lead us.
So on behalf of our staff team, we are very sorry to provide you a lack-luster tournament. Thank you to those people who stepped up and lead the way, and we are very thankful to have Torch on our team that time. Even us staff members are puzzled and looking for answers to what the fuck happen to the funds, I see a lot of things, heard a lot of things, UNNECESSARY THINGS that he has been spending on. /rantoff"
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I just want people to see what he did this could probably be a TL;DR of the really long rant from the Stream Engineer
This is kind-of a Summary of Gus's Abysmal Tournament Managment
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On November 10 2011 13:08 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 13:02 RajaF wrote:On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600Show nested quote +Within 5 minutes of the qualifiers completing, I passed on the contact info of Rossi (#1) and TargA (#2) to Gus, but there was no reply. I went away for a 2-day Halloween party, and while I was out of town, I received numerous text messages from people like YoonYJ and mOOnGLaDe, with the following information:
-TargA declined his invitation to the Pacific Qualifiers due to university exams.
-YoonYJ is next in line for the seat.
-Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus offered mOOnGLaDe a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation, on the condition that he is required to join Team AZK. (GLaDe declined)
-If your mind hasn't started connecting the dots yet, just consider their alleged acquisition of viOlet and now NEXSickness. Also ex-WeMadeFOX players Moon and Soccer being tagged as AZK players. Yeah. Again why would this be mis-information he(Dox) got text messages from the players; why would he lie about these things. If they weren't true surely gus would have clarified in his Public apology. But instead he was in denial about them and didn't Fucking Mention it.
Take it easy there. I didn't call anyone a liar. I was just answering to one person with a general answer. I really don't have anything to say about this particular incident since I only know what was written on some internet forums.
If this was a court case, all these long posts from all the parties involved would not even be taken into consideration.
We will know exactly what happened when the people who are responsible for this mess will be forced to pay up or leave the country I guess. Until then, 90% of what people post in here is either speculation or one sided stories.
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On November 10 2011 13:17 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 13:08 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 13:02 RajaF wrote:On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600Within 5 minutes of the qualifiers completing, I passed on the contact info of Rossi (#1) and TargA (#2) to Gus, but there was no reply. I went away for a 2-day Halloween party, and while I was out of town, I received numerous text messages from people like YoonYJ and mOOnGLaDe, with the following information:
-TargA declined his invitation to the Pacific Qualifiers due to university exams.
-YoonYJ is next in line for the seat.
-Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus offered mOOnGLaDe a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation, on the condition that he is required to join Team AZK. (GLaDe declined)
-If your mind hasn't started connecting the dots yet, just consider their alleged acquisition of viOlet and now NEXSickness. Also ex-WeMadeFOX players Moon and Soccer being tagged as AZK players. Yeah. Again why would this be mis-information he(Dox) got text messages from the players; why would he lie about these things. If they weren't true surely gus would have clarified in his Public apology. But instead he was in denial about them and didn't Fucking Mention it. + Show Spoiler +Take it easy there. I didn't call anyone a liar. I was just answering to one person with a general answer. I really don't have anything to say about this particular incident since I only know what was written on some internet forums.
If this was a court case, all these long posts from all the parties involved would not even be taken into consideration.
We will know exactly what happened when the people who are responsible for this mess will be forced to pay up or leave the country I guess. Until then, 90% of what people post in here is either speculation or one sided stories.
That's true; just too many coincidences though for this to think it's mis-information --- at-least most of it; maybe not all of it.
i'm just mad because if what Gus purportedly did is very wrong.
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On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did.
People feel that he is guilty because it has already been proven conclusively that he is a negligent fool and liar.
1. He owes Clive and Amanda $12,900 (Confirmed by thegunrun, who has paid the $900 owed to Clive, and has also confirmed that Gus will not pay him back for it)
2. He owes a lot of event staff and KTSMedia money, and has not paid. (Refer to Clive case and KTSMedia employee John's Statement on Dox wall)
3. He owes Seltzer and Tastless money (According to Seltzer)
4. He scammed YJ of his place and owes him 1.6k (As shown by concrete screen shots posted by YJ and Dox)
5. He tried to bribe moonglade (As confirmed by moonglade)
6. Turned up for the event extremely late on the first day, and contributed little to make the event happen, following days included ( Testimony of thegunrun, Seltzer, various event staff involved.
Everything above is FACT, not OPINION.
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7. He cancelled 4 Cube Players Plane Tickets to the Event. (Coincidentally 2 of those 4 players were facing his own AZK Clan members (Gus is the Manager Clan Leader of AZK) in the tournament and therefore two AZK members got free by's in the Tourney because the CUBE players weren't flown to the event.)
How Convenient
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On November 10 2011 13:17 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 13:08 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 13:02 RajaF wrote:On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600Within 5 minutes of the qualifiers completing, I passed on the contact info of Rossi (#1) and TargA (#2) to Gus, but there was no reply. I went away for a 2-day Halloween party, and while I was out of town, I received numerous text messages from people like YoonYJ and mOOnGLaDe, with the following information:
-TargA declined his invitation to the Pacific Qualifiers due to university exams.
-YoonYJ is next in line for the seat.
-Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus offered mOOnGLaDe a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation, on the condition that he is required to join Team AZK. (GLaDe declined)
-If your mind hasn't started connecting the dots yet, just consider their alleged acquisition of viOlet and now NEXSickness. Also ex-WeMadeFOX players Moon and Soccer being tagged as AZK players. Yeah. Again why would this be mis-information he(Dox) got text messages from the players; why would he lie about these things. If they weren't true surely gus would have clarified in his Public apology. But instead he was in denial about them and didn't Fucking Mention it. Take it easy there. I didn't call anyone a liar. I was just answering to one person with a general answer. I really don't have anything to say about this particular incident since I only know what was written on some internet forums. If this was a court case, all these long posts from all the parties involved would not even be taken into consideration. We will know exactly what happened when the people who are responsible for this mess will be forced to pay up or leave the country I guess. Until then, 90% of what people post in here is either speculation or one sided stories.
Not to get too petty, but it's pretty silly that the guy who tells everyone one to "shut up" is then the one who tells people to "take it easy there".
Besides, there have been posted photos of interaction between Gus and Dox/Yoon etc where it is clearly shown that there have been promises made which have not been followed through on and which have meant that players weren't able to attend the event. Furthermore, Numerous people who were at the event and directly involved with it (TorcH, TheGunRun, Seltzer) have come forth and stated that there are tremendous issues which are affecting many of the people involved due to non-payment of fees which Gus is directly responsible, responsibilities which have ended up leaving TGR and Seltzer personally out of pocket hundreds of dollars. Not to mention others who're potentially facing criminal charges should Gus fail to make payments. Also, Slasher confirmed that an S2 Games employee has told him that Gus has yet to return the $2000 that was provided for the HoN tournament that never took place.
You clearly haven't read enough or bothered to research who have been the ones to make the allegations against Gus and what evidence they have provided so far. Also, Gus has had multiple opportunities to make a proper address regarding what happened and to air his side of the story. He even went so far as to say he would appear on Live on Three, only to back out at the last minute.
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8. He got 2k usd from S2 games (verified by S2 and mentioned of Lo3) for HoNslaught but it didn't materialize.
9. HoN players arrived for HoNslaught but the event was never held. We also don't know whether these players just drove down to the event venue or if some flew in.
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On November 10 2011 13:24 XRaDiiX wrote:
7. He cancelled 4 Cube Players Plane Tickets to the Event. (Coincidentally 2 of those 4 players were facing his own AZK Clan members (Gus is the Manager Clan Leader of AZK) in the tournament and therefore two AZK members got free by's in the Tourney because the CUBE players weren't flown to the event.)
How Convenient
You forgot that the bracket for the championship matches were redrawn after the traditional seeding method put too many AZK members on one side of the bracket. The redrawing method involved picking names out of a hat...
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On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did.
I do agree, that someone is innocent until proven guilty; but in this case I don't think there is anything left to prove. He had a chance to answer all these claims several times, over more than 48 hours. A lot of claims against him are not merely statements, but solid evidence. I think the stuff the remain unproven at this point are merely icing on the cake, and I think everyone can conclude that he deserves even more than all the hate he is getting now.
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This guy Gus has like almost a dozen or more accusations against him he's fuck'd
Hopefully he never is allowed to run a tournament again since he's basically a Fraud.
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Usually when you say sorry to people, it means you are guilty .. lol
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On November 10 2011 13:29 17Sphynx17 wrote:
8. He got 2k usd from S2 games (verified by S2 and mentioned of Lo3) for HoNslaught but it didn't materialize.
9. HoN players arrived for HoNslaught but the event was never held. We also don't know whether these players just drove down to the event venue or if some flew in.
S2 has not since heard from nor have they got that prize money back from Gus.
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I got in contact with S2 the other day. They did confirm that they sent the funds.
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On November 10 2011 13:17 RajaF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 13:08 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 13:02 RajaF wrote:On November 10 2011 12:58 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did. Why would people make that up Why do people usually make things up? And they do not even need to lie, just spread missinformation without knowing. Hence why everyone in here should shut up until this is all solved one way or another. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600Within 5 minutes of the qualifiers completing, I passed on the contact info of Rossi (#1) and TargA (#2) to Gus, but there was no reply. I went away for a 2-day Halloween party, and while I was out of town, I received numerous text messages from people like YoonYJ and mOOnGLaDe, with the following information:
-TargA declined his invitation to the Pacific Qualifiers due to university exams.
-YoonYJ is next in line for the seat.
-Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus offered mOOnGLaDe a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation, on the condition that he is required to join Team AZK. (GLaDe declined)
-If your mind hasn't started connecting the dots yet, just consider their alleged acquisition of viOlet and now NEXSickness. Also ex-WeMadeFOX players Moon and Soccer being tagged as AZK players. Yeah. Again why would this be mis-information he(Dox) got text messages from the players; why would he lie about these things. If they weren't true surely gus would have clarified in his Public apology. But instead he was in denial about them and didn't Fucking Mention it. Take it easy there. I didn't call anyone a liar. I was just answering to one person with a general answer. I really don't have anything to say about this particular incident since I only know what was written on some internet forums. If this was a court case, all these long posts from all the parties involved would not even be taken into consideration. We will know exactly what happened when the people who are responsible for this mess will be forced to pay up or leave the country I guess. Until then, 90% of what people post in here is either speculation or one sided stories.
This is not a court of law; it is the court of public opinion. Hating someone because, by all available evidence, they did something terrible is not unreasonable. Wanting to see them punished because, by all available evidence, they did something terrible is not unreasonable.
You don't win in the court of public opinion by hiding and issuing "apology" statements where you don't explain what happened or you ignore the important issues.
I'm not willing to say he's guilty beyond reasonable doubt. But he certainly is acting like a guilty person. Or at least, an incredibly stupid, arrogant one. So I see no reason to lend him any courtesy when he has done nothing to deserve it (and done many things that draw ire).
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I am sure all the relevant parties are in contact with each other behind closed doors at the moment. Gus may be AWOL from TL and the community in general, but I bet CSN, IPL, and all the other organizations are e-mailing and calling him to resolve the situation. If he is dodging them as well, then let the ShitStormZerg out.
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