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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:11 JinDesu wrote: Someone on the stream chat says the 12k was paid for. Can someone confirm that or debunk that? Sounds fishy. Seltzer debunked it. | ||
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
On November 10 2011 10:07 17Sphynx17 wrote: even if he doesn't have a laptop with a mic, we can pretty much at least say that he has a smartphone, be it an iphone or android phone. He can just easily install and run skype. Just saying. You'd be surprised how hard it is to get a legitimately-working one of those in the Philippines. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
Yeah, I thought it sounded fishy too. As I said in the other thread, I don't have access to the stream chat at work - someone said it, Slasher asked community for confirmation, and is unable to confirm it. So just wondering if that someone was spewing bullshit. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:11 JinDesu wrote: Someone on the stream chat says the 12k was paid for. Can someone confirm that or debunk that? TheGunrun last said about an hour ago that Amanda's debt is still outstanding and Gus hasn't repaid him for the hotel fees (although they have spoken on the phone). Seltzer hasn't posted anything on twitter. The last two posts being the one about international lawsuits and another telling about her plans to start a reddit thread to keep people up to date. | ||
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PrAeToR.FeNiX
Canada361 Posts
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Shel
United States104 Posts
Anyhoo, someone was in chat for Lo3 that knows gus and clide, asked clide if Gus had payed Amanda yet and clide said no. Also, Setlzer said she is out of pocket $700, and that Gus owes money to her and Tasteless for their hotel rooms. She also said she stole all the RAM from the computers...couldn't tell if that was a troll or not. | ||
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DizzySheep
Australia1144 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:27 Shel wrote: Seltzer seems to have missed a bunch of what's happened. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyhoo, someone was in chat for Lo3 that knows gus and clide, asked clide if Gus had payed Amanda yet and clide said no. Also, Setlzer said she is out of pocket $700, and that Gus owes money to her and Tasteless for their hotel rooms. She also said she stole all the RAM from the computers...couldn't tell if that was a troll or not. Clive not cliiiiiiiiiiiiiide :D..just a small correction. | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:27 Shel wrote: Seltzer seems to have missed a bunch of what's happened. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyhoo, someone was in chat for Lo3 that knows gus and clide, asked clide if Gus had payed Amanda yet and clide said no. Also, Setlzer said she is out of pocket $700, and that Gus owes money to her and Tasteless for their hotel rooms. She also said she stole all the RAM from the computers...couldn't tell if that was a troll or not. I'd avoid taking anything said in the Lo3 chat as gospel unless it was said by someone who is a verifiable source (ie we know exactly who they are and that they aren't trolling/misinforming etc). The person/people in chat aren't close to what I would call verifiable. | ||
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TheGunrun
United States98 Posts
Also, Amanda still has yet to get paid by Gus. And I'll deal with what Gus owes me once I'm back in the states. Sadly my flight just arrived at the gate, and I'll be out of commission for the next 20 hours, hope to see good news once I'm back! | ||
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Shel
United States104 Posts
Thanks for the correction on Clive  Additional news, Slasher was in contact with one of the employees at S2, the people who paid 2k for the prize pool for the HoN tournament. They said that Gus has not repaid any of that money. | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:30 TheGunrun wrote: lol, we didn't steal the ram. We had to use it to get some computers SC2 capable. Essentially just transplanting ram so some rigs could actually play the game well. Also, Amanda still has yet to get paid by Gus. And I'll deal with what Gus owes me once I'm back in the states. Sadly my flight just arrived at the gate, and I'll be out of commission for the next 20 hours, hope to see good news once I'm back! Have a relaxing and safe flight home. | ||
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Frogsox
Australia274 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:33 Shel wrote: Have a safe flight TGR!!! Thanks for the correction on Clive Additional news, Slasher was in contact with one of the employees at S2, the people who paid 2k for the prize pool for the HoN tournament. They said that Gus has not repaid any of that money. IIRC, Gus has been bs'ing about holding a HoN tournament in the near future. | ||
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Buruguduy
Philippines238 Posts
I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote: As I said in our StarcraftPH page... I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. They already said they would. The problem is there's more debt than there is money. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote: As I said in our StarcraftPH page... I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. IPL can only legitimately pay for what was agreed PRIOR to this event. That means the remaining $7,000. If they pay anymore, that would be pure charity, and albeit a good gesture, it would also be something that may let Gus get away with what he did. IGN has already stated they are looking to use the remaining $7,000 to fund what was supposed to be funded - i.e. forward it towards the tickets/hotels/salaries. | ||
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Buruguduy
Philippines238 Posts
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lazyfeet
United States468 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote: As I said in our StarcraftPH page... I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. You make sound like it is IPL's fault. IPL promise to give 14k to the events with 7k already in GUS's pocket before the tournament. Then at the event all the shady stuff come out IPL felt they can't trust gus anymore. They are trying to help them. IPL are not the only sponor. PLEASE DON'T SUPPORT SCUMBAG LIKE GUS. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:51 JinDesu wrote: IPL can only legitimately pay for what was agreed PRIOR to this event. That means the remaining $7,000. If they pay anymore, that would be pure charity, and albeit a good gesture, it would also be something that may let Gus get away with what he did. IGN has already stated they are looking to use the remaining $7,000 to fund what was supposed to be funded - i.e. forward it towards the tickets/hotels/salaries. It's important to reiterate the fact that IPL is withholding the remaining $7k not because of shoddy product, but to ensure that it will not go missing like how rest of the budget. Remember, IPL already advanced $7k before the event, and they're not the only sponsor for PPSL. This $7k is the lifeline Clive, Amanda, and many others will be counting on if Gus falls through his promises and did indeed scammed a majority of the budget. I will tell you right now, this type of move was true grace from IPL & David Ting. You don't offer this move lightly except in last resort scenarios, especially in a major company. Not only it shifts the payment workload from the organizer to the sponsor, but also is an accounting nightmare. The difficulty and paperwork involved to suddenly try to process a dozen new payouts to individual parties are not trivial when you are dealing with a regular by-the-book accounting department. It's significant enough deterent that I suspect David Ting may end up paying these debts out of pocket. Just to avoid the hassle with Accounting. Completely foreign to IPL, so this is purely speculation from what I understand about the Corporate world. IPL & David Ting is the knight in the shining armour here, appreciate the shit out of what he's doing for Philippine StarCraft despite all these bull. He bet a ridiculus amount of money at your scene and only get heartache in return. Yet he still is looking out for the "little guys" amount you. Don't even dare implying any guilt against them, Buruguduy. | ||
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Sky101
United States1758 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote: As I said in our StarcraftPH page... I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. You can't be serious. Why would IGN have to pay for someone else's fuck-ups?? They've been more than reasonable with everything from start to end, living up to every promise. Suddenly a ton of extra cost occurs and you expect them to foot those additional bills too? That's not how the real world works. Your mistake, your problem. IGN does not have to do a thing more than what they're already doing. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote: As I said in our StarcraftPH page... I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. The way you said it is wrong and is like telling IGN do this and do that because of so and so. Technically, if there is a breach of contract, IGN shouldn't be held accountable for anything really but they have already come forth and said that the remaining 7k of the agreed upon sponsorship money will be used to pay off some of the debt, problem is, it is more than 7k and we don't know what the total really is. They actually went out of their way to convey tell people how much they committed to Gus/PPSL for transparency's sake to clear the air. Problem now is, Gus is a no show and is avoiding all avenues to pay or just communicate to the public. | ||
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