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On November 10 2011 12:08 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 11:51 JinDesu wrote:On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote:
As I said in our StarcraftPH page...
I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. IPL can only legitimately pay for what was agreed PRIOR to this event. That means the remaining $7,000. If they pay anymore, that would be pure charity, and albeit a good gesture, it would also be something that may let Gus get away with what he did. IGN has already stated they are looking to use the remaining $7,000 to fund what was supposed to be funded - i.e. forward it towards the tickets/hotels/salaries. It's important to reiterate the fact that IPL is withholding the remaining $7k not because of shoddy product, but to ensure that it will not go missing like how rest of the budget. Remember, IPL already advanced $7k before the event, and they're not the only sponsor for PPSL. This $7k is the lifeline Clive, Amanda, and many others will be counting on if Gus falls through his promises and did indeed scammed a majority of the budget. I will tell you right now, this type of move was true grace for IPL & David Ting. You don't offer this move lightly except in last resort scenarios, especially in a major company. Not only it shifts the payment workload from the organizer to the sponsor, but also is an accounting nightmare. The difficulty and paperwork involved to suddenly try to process a dozen new payouts to individual parties are not trivial when you are dealing with a regular by-the-book accounting department. It's significant enough deterent that I suspect David Ting may end up paying these debts out of pocket. Just to avoid the hassle with Accounting. Completely foreign to IPL, so this is purely speculation from what I understand about the Corporate world. IPL & David Ting is the knight in the shining armour here, appreciate the shit out of what he's doing for Philippine StarCraft despite all these shit. Don't even dare implying any guilt against them, Buruguduy.
I'm not even implying guilt. I'm saying the remaining 7K must be paid to the event (Tastosis, Amanda, Clive, etc), not anymore. I applaud IGN for that. That's all. You misunderstand me.
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On November 10 2011 12:15 Buruguduy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:08 Primadog wrote:On November 10 2011 11:51 JinDesu wrote:On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote:
As I said in our StarcraftPH page...
I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. IPL can only legitimately pay for what was agreed PRIOR to this event. That means the remaining $7,000. If they pay anymore, that would be pure charity, and albeit a good gesture, it would also be something that may let Gus get away with what he did. IGN has already stated they are looking to use the remaining $7,000 to fund what was supposed to be funded - i.e. forward it towards the tickets/hotels/salaries. It's important to reiterate the fact that IPL is withholding the remaining $7k not because of shoddy product, but to ensure that it will not go missing like how rest of the budget. Remember, IPL already advanced $7k before the event, and they're not the only sponsor for PPSL. This $7k is the lifeline Clive, Amanda, and many others will be counting on if Gus falls through his promises and did indeed scammed a majority of the budget. I will tell you right now, this type of move was true grace for IPL & David Ting. You don't offer this move lightly except in last resort scenarios, especially in a major company. Not only it shifts the payment workload from the organizer to the sponsor, but also is an accounting nightmare. The difficulty and paperwork involved to suddenly try to process a dozen new payouts to individual parties are not trivial when you are dealing with a regular by-the-book accounting department. It's significant enough deterent that I suspect David Ting may end up paying these debts out of pocket. Just to avoid the hassle with Accounting. Completely foreign to IPL, so this is purely speculation from what I understand about the Corporate world. IPL & David Ting is the knight in the shining armour here, appreciate the shit out of what he's doing for Philippine StarCraft despite all these shit. Don't even dare implying any guilt against them, Buruguduy. I'm not even implying guilt. I'm saying the remaining 7K must be paid to the event (Tastosis, Amanda, Clive, etc), not anymore. I applaud IGN for that. That's all. You misunderstand me.
And where did IGN ever say that they weren't? Did you even read the IPL topic before you replied?
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I never said they wouldn't. That's why I said I HOPE they would push through. I didn't know there was anythign wrong with hoping for your friend's well-being...
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 12:15 Buruguduy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:08 Primadog wrote:On November 10 2011 11:51 JinDesu wrote:On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote:
As I said in our StarcraftPH page...
I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. IPL can only legitimately pay for what was agreed PRIOR to this event. That means the remaining $7,000. If they pay anymore, that would be pure charity, and albeit a good gesture, it would also be something that may let Gus get away with what he did. IGN has already stated they are looking to use the remaining $7,000 to fund what was supposed to be funded - i.e. forward it towards the tickets/hotels/salaries. It's important to reiterate the fact that IPL is withholding the remaining $7k not because of shoddy product, but to ensure that it will not go missing like how rest of the budget. Remember, IPL already advanced $7k before the event, and they're not the only sponsor for PPSL. This $7k is the lifeline Clive, Amanda, and many others will be counting on if Gus falls through his promises and did indeed scammed a majority of the budget. I will tell you right now, this type of move was true grace for IPL & David Ting. You don't offer this move lightly except in last resort scenarios, especially in a major company. Not only it shifts the payment workload from the organizer to the sponsor, but also is an accounting nightmare. The difficulty and paperwork involved to suddenly try to process a dozen new payouts to individual parties are not trivial when you are dealing with a regular by-the-book accounting department. It's significant enough deterent that I suspect David Ting may end up paying these debts out of pocket. Just to avoid the hassle with Accounting. Completely foreign to IPL, so this is purely speculation from what I understand about the Corporate world. IPL & David Ting is the knight in the shining armour here, appreciate the shit out of what he's doing for Philippine StarCraft despite all these shit. Don't even dare implying any guilt against them, Buruguduy. I'm not even implying guilt. I'm saying the remaining 7K must be paid to the event (Tastosis, Amanda, Clive, etc), not anymore. I applaud IGN for that. That's all. You misunderstand me.
It wasn't a misunderstanding on his part, it was how you said it that was the problem. The tone you would get from what you wrote is passing responsibility to shoulder to IGN (which is something they have already stated to do through the 7k remaining funds that they have allotted for the PPSL).
You also added IGN had exposure of 10k viewers blah blah blah which made it worse by implying that IPL/IGN should be grateful for such "exposure". This is a nightmare. I am actually inclined to believe that the reason people actually tuned in was to see how bad the stream was from all the posts on various forums not because it was simply an IGN product/IPL qualifier.
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On November 10 2011 12:21 17Sphynx17 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2011 12:15 Buruguduy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:08 Primadog wrote:On November 10 2011 11:51 JinDesu wrote:On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote:
As I said in our StarcraftPH page...
I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. IPL can only legitimately pay for what was agreed PRIOR to this event. That means the remaining $7,000. If they pay anymore, that would be pure charity, and albeit a good gesture, it would also be something that may let Gus get away with what he did. IGN has already stated they are looking to use the remaining $7,000 to fund what was supposed to be funded - i.e. forward it towards the tickets/hotels/salaries. It's important to reiterate the fact that IPL is withholding the remaining $7k not because of shoddy product, but to ensure that it will not go missing like how rest of the budget. Remember, IPL already advanced $7k before the event, and they're not the only sponsor for PPSL. This $7k is the lifeline Clive, Amanda, and many others will be counting on if Gus falls through his promises and did indeed scammed a majority of the budget. I will tell you right now, this type of move was true grace for IPL & David Ting. You don't offer this move lightly except in last resort scenarios, especially in a major company. Not only it shifts the payment workload from the organizer to the sponsor, but also is an accounting nightmare. The difficulty and paperwork involved to suddenly try to process a dozen new payouts to individual parties are not trivial when you are dealing with a regular by-the-book accounting department. It's significant enough deterent that I suspect David Ting may end up paying these debts out of pocket. Just to avoid the hassle with Accounting. Completely foreign to IPL, so this is purely speculation from what I understand about the Corporate world. IPL & David Ting is the knight in the shining armour here, appreciate the shit out of what he's doing for Philippine StarCraft despite all these shit. Don't even dare implying any guilt against them, Buruguduy. I'm not even implying guilt. I'm saying the remaining 7K must be paid to the event (Tastosis, Amanda, Clive, etc), not anymore. I applaud IGN for that. That's all. You misunderstand me. It wasn't a misunderstanding on his part, it was how you said it that was the problem. The tone you would get from what you wrote is passing responsibility to shoulder to IGN (which is something they have already stated to do through the 7k remaining funds that they have allotted for the PPSL). You also added IGN had exposure of 10k viewers blah blah blah which made it worse by implying that IPL/IGN should be grateful for such "exposure". This is a nightmare. I am actually inclined to believe that the reason people actually tuned in was to see how bad the stream was from all the posts on various forums not because it was simply an IGN product/IPL qualifier.
Oh okay. My bad then. I didn't mean that. I just mean that the 7K that IGN promised pushes thru. Just want amanda and the others get what they deserve.
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On November 10 2011 12:11 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 11:42 Buruguduy wrote:
As I said in our StarcraftPH page...
I sincerely hope IGN does the right thing and pays the remaining amount to the right people (Clive for handling the accommodation for the foreigners, Amanda for being the Logistics manager for the foreigners, etc). At the end of the day, no matter how bad, there was still a product and IGN needs to pay for that. The PPSL crew (with the help of IGN people) produced 16++ hours of content with 10K++ viewers. IGN Can't just get that for free, even if their guys did the production. The planning and costs associated leading to the event must be paid. IGN also received hours of advertisement. I really hope IGN does the right thing. You can't be serious. Why would IGN have to pay for someone else's fuck-ups?? They've been more than reasonable with everything from start to end, living up to every promise. Suddenly a ton of extra cost occurs and you expect them to foot those additional bills too? That's not how the real world works. Your mistake, your problem. IGN does not have to do a thing more than what they're already doing.
You misunderstood Buruguduy, I think. He meant to say, those $7k should not go to one person (namely: Gus), but they should research and transfer those $7k directly to the different parties that have outstanding bills to Gus. At least that is how I understood it. Hoping IGN would pay more than the agreed upon $7k would be a pretty ridiculous thought.
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A lot of people have been following this saga closely. Temper will flare, subtle inflictions hard to convey through a text medium.
I am sure you're just looking out for your friends. No harm, no foul. Just be assured that David Ting and IPL are the good guys here, and truly are looking out for your scene. Above and beyond their legal and moral imperatives.
My personal worry rests in this does not trigger reprecursion among the higher IGN management. If we're luckly, nobody in the IGN board hears about this. Remember, David Ting has people to answer to, a failure not only set back your scene, but can lead to a pull back of IGN from eSports all together (in the worst case scenario).
We all have something to lose here. Let's hope and pray that people make the right decisions soon.
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On November 10 2011 12:23 Primadog wrote:
A lot of people have been following this saga closely. Temper will flare, subtle inflictions hard to convey through a text medium.
I am sure you're just looking out for your friends. No harm, no foul. Just be assured that David Ting and IPL are the good guys here, and truly are looking out for your scene. Above and beyond their legal and moral imperatives.
My personal worry rests in this does not trigger reprecursion among the higher IGN management. If we're luckly, nobody in the IGN board hears about this. Remember, David Ting has people to answer to, a failure not only set back your scene, but can lead to a pull back of IGN from eSports all together (in the worst case scenario).
We all have something to lose here. Let's hope and pray that people make the right decisions soon.
Oh okay. Corporations here in the Philippines aren't the most... uh trustworhty. People here do not trust very easily, at least most of us. So unless the money is actually in the hands of people, it's no good.
Even FXOPEN talks about this in his blog (http://fxoboss.tumblr.com/), how business is in third world countries. It's a completely different culture. Trust isn't given freely around here, which IGN just learned.
EDIT: I guess that's why I mentioned the hope. Thanks Primadog.
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I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out?
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I think why's misunderstands that IPL is merely a sponsor, they only give the money directly to the organizer 'Gus', paying the event staff the money which he was given, is the job of Gus, If the 7k went to the 'event' (Gus), it may very well disappear as well, just like the first 7k, as we all know that most of the event staff has not been paid and the first payment is unaccounted for. If IPL, didnt give a shit, they would have just sent the rest of the 7k to Gus after the event, as scheduled, but seeing that he is a filthy liar that cannot be trusted, they put the onus on themselves to use the rest of the 7k to fix the damage he has caused (all the people he owes money). 12.9k is merely a sum of the money he owes, we know that he owes Seltzer, (Tasteless?), KTS Media and various staff members, money that has not been accounted for as well. Furthermore, thegunrun has paid the $900 which Gus owed Clive and expressed that he will not pay thegunrun for that amount in a conversation they had, proving that he cannot be trusted with paying his debts
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I read earlier that the prizepool was paid, in cash, by one of the sponsors?
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On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out?
According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help.
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On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help.
After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid.
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I've been following all these threads for the last couple of days and wanted to use my first post to tell you all a joke.
Just to relieve some of the tension. 
Here goes:
Me: Knock knock
You: Who's there?
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On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid.
In his past local events, he has always paid his dues, albeit a little late. He also tends to boast and exaggerate a lot. Namedrop etc. A classic used-car sales man.
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On November 10 2011 07:36 Licmyobelisk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello guys, there's no hope in this person. He just lied to me once again that he has paid the hotel. (the gun run has done it, but instead of paying in bills to the gun run, he failed a complaint against the hotel T_T).
Here's what happened between me and him in the hotel (where I was being held/confined).
-He came in the hotel at around 3pm, he said he has 10,500 PHP to pay for the hotel accommodations of the players
-I told hotel staff that if ever this person pays for his debt then give the money to TGR.
-He didn't left there, but I told security to keep an eye on him.
-After being so burnt out since I've been driving Rachel, Trev and Allyn back and forth from hotel to hotel. It was really tempting that he would stay there for me instead of me staying there.
-Now this is pretty crucial, I was given two options by the guards.
* I told the guards that this man could maybe pay the hotel right away at around 5pm (which he "promised)
* Or the guards with police told me it's the best time to get Gus in the precinct to file a document with his signature on it that he has debt to everyone in both the AZK staffs and the hotels.
- I choose the latter option, in which documentations will be made in the precinct in order for us to file a complaint against him and at least legalized a proper document that makes him liable of all the debts that we currently have.
- Last thing I heard from Amanda is that Gus had a friend lawyer telling the hotel that "it was illegal to hold a person because it's against the law".
- After this I have no update yet, only thing I know right now is I'm saved by Justin and Gus needs to go to Jail.
His a lying, cheating and manipulative bastard. He just destroyed two livelihood. I will add more of his shady ordeals when I was with him so that things like this in the Esports community will never happen again.
Thankyou... I'm glad he is going to suffer the consequences of what he has done!
I've read all about him too many coincidences for him not to be a lying con-artist.
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On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid.
yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe.
He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK
This information has been in the OP for the past 2 days basically The part where he tried to bribe players and/or purposely not give them flights to the tournament when they had earned their spot in the Tournament through the qualifiers.
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On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK
I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did.
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On November 10 2011 12:53 Sky101 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 12:47 XRaDiiX wrote:On November 10 2011 12:37 Sky101 wrote:On November 10 2011 12:33 Buruguduy wrote:On November 10 2011 12:30 Sky101 wrote:
I'm really curious of where all this money went, if most of the bills haven't been paid yet.
1. $7,000 from IGN
2. $2,000 prize money of HoN given in advanced.
3. Ticket Revenues
4. Other sponsors' money.
I think it's safe to assume this amount would be in excess of $10,000. But how much did Gus actually paid out? So far, he (I assume) only paid the prize money for the SC2 tournament winners. Anyone knows what other money that he paid out? According to the crew, it went to the production. Gus wanted a super big extravagent event, so he overspent on production (LED screens, expensive production crew, overbooking of players -not sure about this). The other sponsors, besides IGN, also have a diff payment scheme. So the payments are really after the event. IF the event was properly planned by GUs, there would be enough money. He didn't intend to scam anyone, he was just a poor planner. The lying/pride/saving face also didnt help. After all the reading in the past 24 hours, I also don't think he's trying to scam anyone. Maybe he's just an incompetent kid wanting to take on a bigger responsibility than he could handle. Let this be a lesson for him. Wow such sheer stupidity from this kid. yeah because he totally didn't attempt to Bribe MoonGlade to take YJY's spot in the Tournament and offer him a Spot on AZK team for accepting the Bribe. He couldn't Fly YJY or 4 Cube Players to the Tournament. As well. Maybe that was because of his incompetent management issues. But from what he did i'm more inclined to believe he pocketed the money and wanted to try and poach players bribing them for Tournament spots in exchange for a spot on team AZK I don't think neither you nor I know everything that actually happened, and all the reasons behind them, that's why I've kept my opinion quiet until now. In any competent justice system, you're innocent until proven guilty. Things might look overwhelmingly against his favor, and they may all be true, or they may not. I think all the stoning/burning should stop until we are absolutely sure why he did what he did.
Why would people make that up
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Yeah, there's more here then just the money he didn't pay out and the facts that point to poor planning. There's, what appears to be, Gus not sending YYJ and instead sending syckness. There's him not sending the 4 Cube players. There's general behavior in regards to Dox and his streamer, I think he owns KT productions (I don't remember the name), that points to a scamminess. He also held a qualifier for PPSL in-house, meaning only AZK and their friends were allowed to enter. I believe 6 spots in the tourney came from this qualifier.
As for the money, here's the list I know of:
Didn't pay the crew at the event
Didn't pay a hotel bill that TGR paid instead
Didn't pay Seltzers or Tasteless' hotel bill (they paid it themselves) Seltzer said it was $700 just for her.
Didn't pay for the plane tickets
Didn't pay the guy who did the streaming (KT productions?)
Didn't pay back S2 the money they gave for the HoN event's prize pool
Given that he got the plane tickets in advance, and that the tickets for the Cube players would only have been $1000 or so, I'm thinking he deliberately didn't send them to the event. And since there clearly was money to send syckness, there clearly was money to send YYJ, even though Gus maintained there wasn't when YYJ asked him what was going on.
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