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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 09 2011 10:12 GMT
#701
This Amanda situation is just sad. Hope it works out.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
probablywrong
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Philippines209 Posts
November 09 2011 10:20 GMT
#702
On November 09 2011 19:09 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2011 18:56 Shel wrote:
Ticket agencies are a unique business model. An agent, usually, works for herself within an agency, getting commission on sales made. A client contacts an agent, the agent books the flights or hotels or whatever using agency money. The tickets are then sold to the client with a surcharge for the work the agent did.

As with all business arrangements of this type, customer relations are everything. And, with the invention of online travel sites, travel agencies are rapidly going out of business. It's basically a dying industry, only utilized by the wealthy and corporations. So when you get a client, one that seems to be legit, one that seems to have some juice, you bend over backwards for them.

What Amanda did was not unreasonable. My folks used to use a travel agent some 15 years ago, and the agent would always front them the tickets. Granted, they had a standing business relationship, but it's the same kind of idea. Amanda's mistake was definitely in trusting Gus, but it wasn't that big of a mistake. What she did was standard for her industry.

The reason she might go to jail is, I think, unique to the phillipines. In the states, if you get burned like that, you're on the hook for the money, but you don't get arrested for it. I think what's going on with her is that her company could potentially call it theft and press charges. I really don't see that happening. Her bosses would have to be total dicks to do that. She'll be on the hook for the money, absolutely, and she may very well go to jail, but I can't imagine a scenario, outside of the possiblity that she works for an absolutely horrible person, that it would actually go down that way.


Actually this is not the case in the Philippines. It may be a slowly dying industry with the advent of online booking but people do still use them, especially when they need less hassle to arrange for connecting flights.

The only instance it could happen in the Philippines is he had a long standing relationship with the agency or the "guarantor" had a long standing relationship with the agency. So I would say that Amanda named herself as the guarantor and Gus' name was nowhere in the deal if she's that worried of "jail time".

But still it defies logic that a business would simply agree to shoulder the tickets upfront without any long standing relationship with the person/company/entity.



200kphp was given as a down payment. I guess that made it seem like payments could be made without incident.

(source: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600 edit 12)
S-Class
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (North)665 Posts
November 09 2011 10:24 GMT
#703
Can someone organize this in one thread? I get headaches I see 3 threads in SC2 General about this criminal Gus Ledesma.

I hope the good people/victims get righted and compensated.
iGX
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia414 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 10:56:21
November 09 2011 10:55 GMT
#704
that twitter message he posted up was right. non of this crap would've been possible without him leading the way.
When your bases are ashes...then you have my permission to "GG".
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
November 09 2011 11:25 GMT
#705
On November 09 2011 19:55 iGX wrote:
that twitter message he posted up was right. non of this crap would've been possible without him leading the way.

Unfortunately it isn't and everything is a fucking mess
FOOTBALL
Smackfools
Profile Joined October 2010
United States93 Posts
November 09 2011 13:31 GMT
#706
The worst thing you can owe people, is money, especially as a result of your own greed or fuck up. There are some people out there that would have no problem putting Gus in the hospital over this. He's pretty lucky people are kinda keeping their cool over this so far.
styleworks79
Profile Joined May 2011
United States127 Posts
November 09 2011 13:34 GMT
#707
So where is this fucking punk Gus.. man it is sad that someone might have to end up in jail
cuz of this scammer Gus.. I sure hope that he gets banned from SC2 and get locked up behind bars with
bunch of big ass HOMO gangsters
Ares[S2000] West Op AresClan 난 요환이가 한번은 우승할거라고 믿어!
Zandar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1541 Posts
November 09 2011 13:43 GMT
#708
On November 09 2011 18:50 ThePowerHour wrote:
Just thought I'd add something from PPSL's Twitter, posted an hour ago:
Show nested quote +

Please support us and the PPSL and the awesome set of games that were played. This wouldn't be all possible without Gus leading the way.

If Gus encouraged this, it's despicable. If Gus didn't encourage it.... it's just in bad taste. He hasn't done anything to earn our appreciation quite yet.

Edit: looks like someone already posted this a page back and in the other thread, my bad.


That's damage control. If people outside e-sports google his name they will see that first
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
BadAim
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway879 Posts
November 09 2011 14:48 GMT
#709
Wow, so much good esports reputation down the drain in just one weekend...

Keep us updated!
My esports soul belongs to: Boxer | White-Ra | Daigo Umehara | Nazgul | IceFrog
rijndael
Profile Joined July 2011
Philippines15 Posts
November 09 2011 15:17 GMT
#710
Well given his penchant for name-dropping and hyping the shit out of everything, Gus must have lead Amanda to believe that he was backed by IGN and the multitude of sponsors on the goddamn tournament ad.

Plus, the 200k downpayment would make anyone look legit.

And to go ridiculously off-tangent, people here have been killed for a LOT less money than what we're talking here.
BooMeyMoMo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11 Posts
November 09 2011 15:38 GMT
#711
I live near Camden NJ and Philadelphia. People have definitely been killed over a lot less. Not saying it's right but if I was Gus I'd watch my back.

And I don't care what excuse he has, all these occurrences are more than a kowinky-dink and just makes him a fucking scumbag and makes AZK look really bad.
Exploding Terrans with Banelings in South Jersey since 2010
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
November 09 2011 15:48 GMT
#712
I think SirScoots said it best on live on three when it comes to our community. If you do any bullshit we come down like a hammer(not exactly what he said but on those lines.)
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
xSixGeneralHan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States528 Posts
November 09 2011 15:54 GMT
#713
Once we know more about how much IGN would cover etc, and if there are receipts for debts owed to travel agency via amanda - I'd be 100% behind a donation drive.
Team Operations Director for CheckSix Gaming
chunkielon
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines2 Posts
November 09 2011 16:38 GMT
#714
This is so sad!

Mineski condemns any action that would harm the e-sports industry that we and all Pinoy gamers have been trying hard to build up throughout the years.

Let us know if we can help, I'm the director of Mineski Events Team and spearheads all e-sports events from our organization. We may be known for DotA but we still have SC2 events....they may be small but we feel we are taking the right step towards making it grow. Please don't judge PH e-sports by this incident alone. We did have successful events for SC2 but I think this will be overshadowed by this incident


ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
November 09 2011 16:44 GMT
#715
On November 10 2011 00:38 BooMeyMoMo wrote:
I live near Camden NJ and Philadelphia. People have definitely been killed over a lot less. Not saying it's right but if I was Gus I'd watch my back.

And I don't care what excuse he has, all these occurrences are more than a kowinky-dink and just makes him a fucking scumbag and makes AZK look really bad.


Lol i live near there too! Yeah ninja's in camden will slice you just for a dollar these days lol
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Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
November 09 2011 16:52 GMT
#716
On November 10 2011 01:38 chunkielon wrote:
This is so sad!

Mineski condemns any action that would harm the e-sports industry that we and all Pinoy gamers have been trying hard to build up throughout the years.

Let us know if we can help, I'm the director of Mineski Events Team and spearheads all e-sports events from our organization. We may be known for DotA but we still have SC2 events....they may be small but we feel we are taking the right step towards making it grow. Please don't judge PH e-sports by this incident alone. We did have successful events for SC2 but I think this will be overshadowed by this incident




Mineski EnDerr fightingggg, good to see you guys standing up for your community, this event has entriely misrepresented you :/
UK TrackMania Champion | Former SC2 player | http://www.twitter.com/Sabre_CS
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
November 09 2011 17:25 GMT
#717
I say we lock him in his hotel room with Slayers_MMA for a 5 round battle.
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Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 17:32:40
November 09 2011 17:28 GMT
#718
On November 09 2011 12:29 TheGunrun wrote:
I'm here with the Amanda (travel desk for AZK) and Clive (assistent manager for AZK), in the hotel right now.
Clive was asked to sign for the hotels, Amanda was the travel agent who issued the tickets for most of the talent and players.
Amanda post paid for the tickets with the agency, if Gus doens't pay her the agency can run after her and put her in jail.
Clive's hotel debt is 37,000 Pesos ($900~) & Amanda's agency debt is 516,000 Pesos. ($12,000~)

Gus is not appearing nor answering.

Clive is stuck here in the hotel till we get this solved today.


That is brutal. The 900 dollars can be paid by Clive if he really needs to do it. It wouldn't be fair, and it is a huge chunk of money, but I'm sure he could find it to avoid jail time... but $12,000 just won't happen. I hope things work out (if they haven't already... I'm not really keeping up with this stuff).

Edit: Apparently TheGunRun payed the hotel bill to help Clive out, for those like me who couldn't follow the situation too well.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-09 18:17:28
November 09 2011 17:46 GMT
#719


User was warned for this post
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
November 09 2011 17:54 GMT
#720
I really hope this is discussed on sotg.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
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