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October: imgur.com/JW38u . I have changed the trend lines to a moving average, feedback please! #SC2
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i.imgur.com/bviP1.png Korea only/October. Y-axis is 20-80. Only 165 non-mirror games. Not included: 21 PvP's, 30 ZvZ's, 66 TvT's.
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I don't understand why Protoss is so low. I lose to toss all the time 
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What does a moving average entail?
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The Y-axis kind of makes the graphs misleading. :/ It makes the difference in win % look a lot bigger than it really is. It's good information, and I'm not saying it isn't true, just making the view from 40 to 60% makes a 5% difference look huge.
Hopefully protoss can pick it up this month.
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Good times to play protoss  Thanks for the data! 
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Terran seems to have had an easy ride for the whoooole duration of SC2. It only goes below the other races once or twice
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Looking balanced to me.
And even if it was not, there is not enough data to conclude anything.
And stats don't mean anything.
And you have to actually look at the gameplay and not the results to form an opinion on balance.
And Terran players are just better.
Edit: Oh yeah I forgot that one: The difference is actually not that huge guys! The scale of the Y-axis is exagerated!
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;_; Zergs tell me how you're beating protoss all the time!!!!
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sick with the toss rate indeed, lets hope they bounce up next month :S
On November 07 2011 04:25 ZenithM wrote:
And Terran players are just better.
:D
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On November 07 2011 04:22 Nemireck wrote:I don't understand why Protoss is so low. I lose to toss all the time
Because toss is good/balanced at lower levels (even imba at bronze/silver/gold where people don't have enough multitasking or timing skills to punish tosses). At tournament level though, people clearly know the toss weaknesses and also have the required skill to execute the appropriate counters consistently.
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A lot of protoss players have been complaining about losing to terran lately, but this graph clearly shows that ZvP is even worse. Don't know why all the hate is focused on terrans when zergs are clearly ahead.
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Just keeps getting better t_t
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On November 07 2011 04:22 Nemireck wrote:I don't understand why Protoss is so low. I lose to toss all the time
this is pro's. Not amateurs. Balance is much less noticeable at your level. My friend tells me he basically never loses to toss though.
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On November 07 2011 04:25 ZenithM wrote:
Looking balanced to me.
And even if it was not, there is not enough data to conclude anything.
And stats don't mean anything.
And you have to actually look at the gameplay and not the results to form an opinion on balance.
And Terran players are just better.
Edit: Oh yeah I forgot that one: The difference is actually not that huge guys! The scale of the Y-axis is exagerated!
Thank you for summing up the future.
protoss is consistent at least! consistently bad!
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On November 07 2011 04:23 Complete wrote:
What does a moving average entail?
If you look at the lines in the graphs, they don't follow the data points (shown by the bars) perfectly. They actually take into account the previous 2 months as well, averaged. This is done to smooth them out a bit and try to graph a trend.
I got a ton of feedback from the community and this was what was recommended. Not sure if I am completely happy with them, but they are much better than they were before.
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On November 07 2011 04:27 DTK920 wrote:
A lot of protoss players have been complaining about losing to terran lately, but this graph clearly shows that ZvP is even worse. Don't know why all the hate is focused on terrans when zergs are clearly ahead.
because loses to zerg come mostly from long macro games, while terran has so many cheeses at their disposal
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On November 07 2011 04:25 ZenithM wrote:
Looking balanced to me.
And even if it was not, there is not enough data to conclude anything.
And stats don't mean anything.
And you have to actually look at the gameplay and not the results to form an opinion on balance.
And Terran players are just better.
Hahaha, I love the dry wit here on TL.
Now that's all the Terran players' arguments out the way (y'know, the ones that have been raised every statistics thread since about March), now we can have a good moan about Protoss.
I think that it's fairly obvious here that ZvT is Terran favoured, and the only reason why Zerg is looking okay is because ZvP is Zerg favoured, Protoss being the bottom of the heap as expected. I just hope these statistics quell any notions about balance raised by the MLG Orlando PvP finals.
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On November 07 2011 04:27 DTK920 wrote:
A lot of protoss players have been complaining about losing to terran lately, but this graph clearly shows that ZvP is even worse. Don't know why all the hate is focused on terrans when zergs are clearly ahead.
For a few reasons:
1) PvT has been Terran favoured since release, which indicates it is not a problem with innovation.
2) There is a new wave of PvZ coming in, led by HerO, JYP et al, which could solve the problem, whereas PvT looks pretty stagnant
3) There are few successful Zergs in GSL etc either, so although ZvP looks more imbalanced that might be because there are now Terrans in Code S who don't deserve to be there making the winrate look more even
4) ZvT looks imbalanced in favour of Terran as well, so Z and P can rally against T together.
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I think i'm the only terran that keeps losing T.T Gonna switch to toss T.T
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