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On October 21 2011 07:27 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:17 Xcobidoo wrote:
One again MLG posts weird numbers, there is NO way and there have been no points towards any SC2-event having 180k unique, concurrent viewers, no way. The quad view probably counts as 4 unique viewers, even though you are probably only watching one at a time. At the same time it is simply bullshit to post "refresh numbers" since that mostly points towards the streams having problems, thus people having to refresh...
I do believe that this was their most viewed event as of yet and that there were quite a lot of people watching on championship sunday, there's just no way that they are competing with traditional television. I don't understand how you can argue with numbers. It's not like MLG lies with these articles. Also, it isn't just SC2, sure the majority of the viewer are for SC2 but there's a decent percentage that watch Halo and CoD.
Can't argue with numbers huh? It's all in how you present your numbers, just watch the news for a week, take the numbers they use to get their wanted angle in a story and then tell me that you cannot argue with numbers.
I am just tired of the constant claims to being even close to being in the same ballpark as the traditional media outlets. You also have to count the fact that MLG is broadcasted and can be easily watched by basically anyone with an internet connection. As for TV, it is often very regional/continental.
I won't use the term "hurting e-sports" but in a way it is not good for the scene to think that it's doing amazingly in terms of making money, it isn't...
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On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: Show nested quote +"placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Show nested quote +Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense.
You're seriously comparing MLG to a Leafs game in Canada?
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MLG is just getting bigger and bigger, I think that can be said about a lot of other events too. Its been really cool to watch the rise of eSports.. I wonder how far it will go. With barcraft and things like that it seems the market just keeps growing and growing.
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Great news for MLG...
I hope between this and the selling of silver and gold memberships the price pool for the next season gets a good buff.
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I wonder how many people bought the ticket because of SC2.
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MLG is so awesome! Keep it up Sundance!
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On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: Show nested quote +"placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Show nested quote +Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense.
Email them, you're not any more important than everyone else here.
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On October 21 2011 07:42 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense. Did you know NBA TV averaged 11k viewers last month? Fuel TV averaged 7k. A Leafs/Jets game is gonna be a big draw.
11k viewers on a subscription based service in a league that isn't even playing (locked out). That is not "traditional TV"
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On October 21 2011 07:44 Novalisk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense. You're seriously comparing MLG to a Leafs game in Canada?
I wasn't comparing, MLG did, read the quote: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers"
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On October 21 2011 07:49 PrimeTimey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:44 Novalisk wrote:On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense. You're seriously comparing MLG to a Leafs game in Canada? I wasn't comparing, MLG did, read the quote: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers"
afternoon viewership i guess.
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On October 21 2011 07:49 PrimeTimey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:44 Novalisk wrote:On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense. You're seriously comparing MLG to a Leafs game in Canada? I wasn't comparing, MLG did, read the quote: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers"
Traditional TV doesn't equal a major NHL game.
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On October 21 2011 07:48 PrimeTimey wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:42 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: "placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense. Did you know NBA TV averaged 11k viewers last month? Fuel TV averaged 7k. A Leafs/Jets game is gonna be a big draw. 11k viewers on a subscription based service in a league that isn't even playing (locked out). That is not "traditional TV"
You chose one extreme, I chose the other.
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On October 21 2011 07:35 PrimeTimey wrote:I would like a response from MLG in regards to their claim about: Show nested quote +"placing MLG viewing in the same ballpark as traditional TV viewing numbers" Show nested quote +Ratings for last night Wpg Jets - Tor Maple Leafs tilt on TSN. 1,399,000 viewers – peaked at 1,937,000. 1.9 Million people watched the Leafs vs Jets last night on TSN. This is only in Canada. You say 180,000 peak for world wide broadcast in in the same ballpark as traditional TV? Your stats nor claims make any sense. But we all know these numbers are flawed! They fail to take into accounts households with more than hmm.. one televison set and.. things of that nature.
No but seriously, you can't compare like that. How many more online streams are gonna have that kind of numbers? Very few. EVO, the Superbowl of fighting games.. other SC2 events... CS somewhere along the line..
When you're the biggest in your category, you know you're doing something right.
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IPL had around 35-45k viewers on average
I think the max they had was like 60k and that was during the semi-finals before LoL came on.
You could see the number of viewers if you watched from the twitch.tv website instead of the ipl website.
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I didn't realize a Thursday night hockey game was a major NHL game, guess I am mistaken.
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On October 21 2011 07:41 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On October 21 2011 07:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 21 2011 07:17 Xcobidoo wrote:
One again MLG posts weird numbers, there is NO way and there have been no points towards any SC2-event having 180k unique, concurrent viewers, no way. The quad view probably counts as 4 unique viewers, even though you are probably only watching one at a time. At the same time it is simply bullshit to post "refresh numbers" since that mostly points towards the streams having problems, thus people having to refresh...
I do believe that this was their most viewed event as of yet and that there were quite a lot of people watching on championship sunday, there's just no way that they are competing with traditional television. Once again a Swede can't believe that MLG puts up numbers that rival DH. Its not just numbers for SC2 either. Its Halo and CoD. SC2 is the vast majority though. What does being a Swede have to do with anything? DreamHack fanboys are normally Swedes.
Not sure how DH entered the discussion. But afaik DH blows MLG out of the water viewercount-wise. And it should, because DH runs far more streams and several more games than MLG. Really anything else than DH having vastly higher numbers would be either a massive fail for DH or massive success for MLG.
Which is why comparing them to each other is dumb in the first place.
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On October 21 2011 07:43 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:27 Spaceneil8 wrote:On October 21 2011 07:17 Xcobidoo wrote:
One again MLG posts weird numbers, there is NO way and there have been no points towards any SC2-event having 180k unique, concurrent viewers, no way. The quad view probably counts as 4 unique viewers, even though you are probably only watching one at a time. At the same time it is simply bullshit to post "refresh numbers" since that mostly points towards the streams having problems, thus people having to refresh...
I do believe that this was their most viewed event as of yet and that there were quite a lot of people watching on championship sunday, there's just no way that they are competing with traditional television. I don't understand how you can argue with numbers. It's not like MLG lies with these articles. Also, it isn't just SC2, sure the majority of the viewer are for SC2 but there's a decent percentage that watch Halo and CoD. Can't argue with numbers huh? It's all in how you present your numbers, just watch the news for a week, take the numbers they use to get their wanted angle in a story and then tell me that you cannot argue with numbers. I am just tired of the constant claims to being even close to being in the same ballpark as the traditional media outlets. You also have to count the fact that MLG is broadcasted and can be easily watched by basically anyone with an internet connection. As for TV, it is often very regional/continental. I won't use the term "hurting e-sports" but in a way it is not good for the scene to think that it's doing amazingly in terms of making money, it isn't...
Yet they gave you the unique concurrent views. You just doubt that its accurate without sound reason.
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All thanks to sc2 
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On October 21 2011 07:54 Kreb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 07:41 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 21 2011 07:33 Torte de Lini wrote:On October 21 2011 07:22 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 21 2011 07:17 Xcobidoo wrote:
One again MLG posts weird numbers, there is NO way and there have been no points towards any SC2-event having 180k unique, concurrent viewers, no way. The quad view probably counts as 4 unique viewers, even though you are probably only watching one at a time. At the same time it is simply bullshit to post "refresh numbers" since that mostly points towards the streams having problems, thus people having to refresh...
I do believe that this was their most viewed event as of yet and that there were quite a lot of people watching on championship sunday, there's just no way that they are competing with traditional television. Once again a Swede can't believe that MLG puts up numbers that rival DH. Its not just numbers for SC2 either. Its Halo and CoD. SC2 is the vast majority though. What does being a Swede have to do with anything? DreamHack fanboys are normally Swedes. Not sure how DH entered the discussion. But afaik DH blows MLG out of the water viewercount-wise. And it should, because DH runs far more streams and several more games than MLG. Really anything else than DH having vastly higher numbers would be either a massive fail for DH or massive success for MLG. Which is why comparing them to each other is dumb in the first place.
If you look at previous MLG viewership threads, you will constantly see DH fanboys chiming in about how MLG doesn't come close to DH.
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The season culminates with the 2011 National Championships next month where the world's best players will compete for more than $600,000 in prizes and stipends.
Maybe this is why first place players only get $5,000 all season.
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