EPTIs the « spoiler fear » hurting E-sports ? - Page 22
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We are currently talking about this issue in the mod forum. We take this issue very seriously, and want to find the best way to serve those who want faster results, and those that don't wish to be spoiled. | ||
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blizzind
United States642 Posts
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lolsixtynine
United States600 Posts
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On October 13 2011 07:08 Gamegene wrote: lol what. is it really THAT hard for you to check it yourself without being kind of inconsiderate to slowpokes or people who don't like staying up all night or waking up early? it must be considering how easy it is to start crying "THIS IS HURTING E-SPORTS" holy fuck I'm tired of that phrase. Yes... I cannot tell my >2000 castle age friends about SC2 and TL.net because of this. Because they go front page and see what, a crying Protoss, a guy with the huge check frowning... That's it. Average Person does not give a fuck about your sport until you give him a reason. (winner/hype/etc) | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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icarly
United States400 Posts
On October 13 2011 10:51 DoubleRobo wrote: This is not baseball. This is not Hockey. This is not Football. There is no reason to ever compare this community to mainstream sports. ever. It doesn't make sense. Judge the community on its own merit not by how close it is to another sport. With that out of the way, I still watch a good game if it's been spoiled, but it has to be a really really good game. Part of the fun is not knowing how someone will do and seeing how the game plays out. Completely agree. Finals of major tournaments get 60,000 viewers. The Super Bowl get's 30 million. That's .002% of the viewers. Comparing esports to real sports at this moment is illogical. As to the spoilers, I watch games mostly to learn and improve. I focus on the gameplay, the results don't affect my viewing at all. | ||
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Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
On October 13 2011 00:43 drcatellino wrote: First, are spoilers that big of a deal? How many of you watch a game from an important tournament later on without checking the results before-hand? I know the first thing I do in the morning after a big night of GSL, I check the results and if I have time I’ll watch the games, knowing the results beforehand won’t change my excitement about it. Are you serious? You compare Starcraft to the NHL or other professional sports, but how many people DVR the Superbowl, go look at the box score, then watch the game? The drama of seeing who pulls out a win in a close match can be one of the best parts of watching Starcraft. Not to mention there arent 25-30 NHL or NFL playoffs each year like there are with the GSL (Add in the IPL, NASL, MLG, Dreamhack, etc.), people simply dont have time to watch them all live. I don't want to have to avoid TL until I have time to watch every game of the best of 9 GSTL finals. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51381 Posts
On October 13 2011 10:57 albis wrote: when i wanted a spoiler free experience on osl finals i asked a friend to send me the links to the vods individually 1 at a time. they're ways to stay emerged into the live content feeling. espn.com isn't that place. post the results real time. cause i have no idea right now whos doing well/bad Huh?if you wanted to watch BW vods spoiler free,why nit go to the Small VOD thread,all BW vods posted there are 100% spoiler free | ||
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phantaxx
United States201 Posts
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onmach
United States1241 Posts
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Downfallen
New Zealand8 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uKTuc.png) I think the "recent SC2 results" is fine.. no need for it to be on the front page.... not every one can watch live and may want to avoid spoilers | ||
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Fission
Canada1184 Posts
On October 13 2011 10:59 icarly wrote: Completely agree. Finals of major tournaments get 60,000 viewers. The Super Bowl get's 30 million. That's .002% of the viewers. Comparing esports to real sports at this moment is illogical. As to the spoilers, I watch games mostly to learn and improve. I focus on the gameplay, the results don't affect my viewing at all. And how exactly does the number of viewers differing invalidate the argument? It doesn't, at all. There's no reason to be ashamed of and push all the results under the rug because a very, very small minority of people doesn't want to know the results of major tournaments. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:06 phantaxx wrote: I completely agree with OP, a huge amount of hype is lost when there are no big headlines or images showing winners celebrating and rejoicing after major wins. If you don't want to be spoiled, then find your own way to watch them without seeing the results. Once again, because it appears no one reads past the first post anymore, this would not change regardless of TL's policy for spoilers. TL writers are volunteers. Many of them are at the very events we watch, and even if they're not, write-ups take time. They're not done an hour after an event, and when they are done they're sent in for editing to see if it meets TL's high standards. By the time this is done it's usually been a few days, depending on who's available, because again these are mostly done by volunteers. It seems to me you guys are complaining more about the slow headlines rather than the spoiler policy, so I'm actually a bit confused. TL Staff already knows how to make engaging titles without spoiling the results, and even put's spoiler warnings in the OP. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
Having instant post event results with hype and whatnot on the front page would be amazing (read: normal for any other sport). Also, how dumb is it that "winner interview" threads have to be spoiled inside the thread "winner of match x vs y" wtf man why the hell did you click on the interviews if you don't want to be spoiled. The question with the landslide results will now be, is anything going to change? | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
I agree completely, huge tournaments should have live coverage plastered all over the place. If you don't want to get spoiled, don't log onto the site until you've watched the games. Otherwise let people discuss and cheer! | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13414 Posts
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
Instead people feel like it spoils the fun of watching all the games? I guess it doesn't mess with me that much...either I'm interested enough to watch it live or I'll watch the games later even if I saw that so and so won on my twitter feed. I feel asleep during the OSL Finals and even after finding out who won when I woke up I went back to see the 5th and crucial game. Sad thing is that you can't make everyone happy and everyone loves to be spoiler free around here, so I doubt anything will change. | ||
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Ohmboy
United States61 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:11 Downfallen wrote: + Show Spoiler + I think the "recent SC2 results" is fine.. no need for it to be on the front page.... not every one can watch live and may want to avoid spoilers This, exactly this. Is seeing the results live not amazing enough? If you have to see a picture of the winning player of the most recent major tournament on the front page of TL, then YOU are hurting e-sports. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:28 th6h1 wrote: Spoilers matter to me. Because of my crazy homework schedule I usually don't watch GSL matches until a couple of days after they were played. Today, I went to gomtv to watch MVP vs. Nestea and the result was spoiled by the front page announcement of the upcoming semi-finals match. Instantly, my excitement was gone. I'll probably still watch the games, but they won't be anywhere near as fun or intense now that I know who won. What. The. Fuck. Seriously. You expect a news site to cater around your work schedule? Hell why not since TL caters to someone's annual sabbatical in the mountains since the whole year I've found TL, I have never seen anything remotely resembling news besides New Terran Unit revealed. I only got excited about GSL because Husky was excited and... That's it. Seriously what's the big deal with IPL and Stephano? Do you see Why spoilers are hurting eSports? There's nothing to be excited about!!! Why? Because I don't see anything to be excited about!!! You are a fan, I am not. In order to grow eSports, it is your JOB to make me a fan, to wear your team jersey, to stay up til 3am by the PC linked TV with you drinking beer and pizza. Until that time, eSports will forever be small time (compared to NFL, NBA, EPL, etc) | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51381 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:19 Rampager wrote: The silent majority rises up :D I agree completely, huge tournaments should have live coverage plastered all over the place. If you don't want to get spoiled, don't log onto the site until you've watched the games. Otherwise let people discuss and cheer! TL makes a separate portal for huge ass live coverages and let's people discuss them,I just didn't notice that was the reason why TL has a separate portal until now. http://www.teamliquid.net/ipl/ Now look at that page,you get all the results up to date there without people wo go to the main site getting bothered. | ||
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