On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote: I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS. Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching.
I'd just like to throw out there that I completely disagree with this. I think you should do the opposite of what he is saying.
Don't talk about what I can see with my own eyes. Talk about the upcoming strategies and flow of the game, and absolutely turn on the production tab to give me a chance to spot things that are being done that you miss.
unlike most people, I don't actually care too much about analysis, because I can see them quite a lot myself through the production tab and expo and mini map. so I am more concern with the atmosphere and casters ability to entertain me and of cause their voice. personally I find pain user quite dull to listen to, the voice tone is too low or bored.
I find that painuser is a good/knowledgable terran; however, I feel his knowledge of protoss and zerg are limited. I dont think he appreciates how hard it is to do some of the things that many P or Z players do and belittle their skill. On the otherhand, I feel he over-hypes how hard it is to play terran and he really comes off as bias toward terran being UP and always rooting for terran players
HD is an excellent caster who I think will continue to improve with time. No specific praise or negative comments come to mind.
I would thumbs down painuser and thumbs up HD Overall, I voted yes as you are a better duo than most
toooooooooooo much hype you guys hype the shit out of some stupid shit just relax a bit.
i know it is in your eyes beneficial to hype stuff up but when someone plays like shit or both play like shit dont try to make there game better then it is.
dont pretend to know something when you dont just give ME the information that i need.
try to keep up with the information that player x has from player y to anticipate his thoughts (when you are able to do that) when you are not able to do that stfu dont try to guess some stupid stuff.
I think the both of you did excellent actually. Great casts all around, i guess some people could say there was some bias but I don't mind that, it shouldn't just be cookie cutter, just describe the match only with no emotion. Keep up the good work, looking forward to see more of you guys.
Honestly... the only thing that bothers me about your casting is the usage of "bling" to refer to a baneling. I have no clue why it bothers me but it is such a small part of the cast I can overlook it
HD please stop saying m&m a lot, it just sounds very awkward in live casts. I know it's a common abbreviation in SC2 but actually saying it out loud in casting is totally different. Either say marine/maurader or use the word "bio." You also make a lot of miss calls so be careful on what you say.
also read the ipl3 caster combo thread, many people stated their opinions there
It just really seemed like you guys are awkward up there, and that makes me feel awkward watching it. Where as Tastosis and DJ wheat and that other guy just seemed to flow so nicely. This is just my personal preference. But I love Painuser from hearing him on state of the game, and HD you pretty much got me into starcraft by your youtube in the beta.
I think you guys get the job done. Happy and excited and both know about the game. I only enjoy the cast if it is somebody that makes me laugh or knows a whole lot about the game so I didn't really enjoy it but for a casual player and fans it was really good. I guess work on the dorky banter, jokes and game knowledge if you can but you guys do a good enough already. I liked wheat and apollo the most out of the 3 pairs with you guys pretty much right behind them and then radio voice and hack artosis way at the bottom.
Your miscalls and generic humor really turn me off during casts. Also, your "excited" voice is exceptionally grating. PainUser is fairly decent however.
I think neither of you was the assertive play by play guy and thats the problem. You would go off talking about the game in general, like noobie talk. Zerg COULD go for banelings, blah blah blah.. meanwhile important shit is happening on the minimap and you're not talking about it or even noticing it. During high level games
It's okay to have one guy who can jabber to do filler, but one guy has to take over talking aggressively as soon as important things in the game happen. I feel like neither man in this casting archon has a high level knowledge of the game, and dreaded seeing you guys cast the finals over one of the other caster combos. I know every tournament can't be Tastosis and Day9 but I don't think its unreasonable to expect people casting the game to have a high level knowledge of the game in the FINALS.
HD, even though you lack the knownledge of game, your hype is good for cast, but I advise you to do more research into player history and the game,try to follow the metagame to make up for the lack of knownledge. I am a protoss and zerg player so I suggest Painuser stop his bias toward terran, he did it so obvious, little bias like Mr.Bitter can be good, but Painuser biased toward terran players and the race is getting stupid for other people who do not play terran to watch, It is the same with Gretorp in NASL 1 when he play terran. They always try to overweight the skill of terran player and try to talk down or under rate the skill of other race, It is frustrating for me, and I do not know why but Painuser seem to know only terran , I mean his analysys about protoss and zerg really lacking, I dont know why, but even I am master and I can make better judgement on other race than him.
And seriously, when someone is ahead, both of you guys do not even notice it, when the game is already over, you guys try to make it like It is still going on lol, I dont know what to say about that, It make viewer who played the game felt dumb and cheat. For example: you guys talk about comeback when that person is ahead the whole game, and make it look like it real, I felt insane during that, and when idra has about 180 supply, thestc have about 110 supply in game 2, you HD even try to say thestc is ahead, and idra have to do something to comeback Edit: and I remember something else after someone after me post, Painuser always call the engagement in terran biased way, like when the terran army is way bigger, for example 20 marine 10marauders vs 15 stalkers, 5 tanks and trilion of marine vs 50 supply of zergling + bling and 8 mutas. He always talk like terran is at disadvantage, .... wtf, is Painuser trying to say zerg and toss more OP than terran.
Anyway, for caster, a good caster for me, is unbiased, good hype, good knownledge and analysys, and follow the metagame. I used to like artosis a lot, but he is not very interested in the game now, except for nestea mb. Right now, I actually like the duo dApollo + DJ wheat alot after IPL3, they knew what they talk about, dApollo know a lot about player history and his way of analysis is great, DJwheat, even though he play zerg, but his talk is alway warm heart for everyone. dApollo is a big plus for me when he talks so much about a player history, in a good way even some "unknown korean" in HD+ painuser point of view, lucky, alive ....WTF alive code S, lucky is in top 8 code A recently and he has been playing well in korean weekly.
and here is a bad example of caster for me. DoA who always say the obvious and even described players style when he does not know who they are, like when the first time he watch ret play, and said "you know, ret style is so interesting, his mutalisks harass is always on top, he is the type of player that always on top of the game and try to control the game", some new player might be deceived by that, but seriously, DOA describe every player the same thing, I mean wtf, ret is always droning. And his knownledge is even worse than HD, seriously with the lack of game understanding for a caster, you guys should try to make the hype better and do more research into player history and stuff.
itmeJP, Tasteless are this type of caster, they are very good when pairing with good knownledge caster. when a situation happen, for example go 15 hatch in ZvP or some strange build order they ask "artosis, what do you think of this build" and our master will analysis all over that and that is so good to hear for players.
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