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I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It actually completely doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No.
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On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No.
I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly.
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I like Painuser's style of commentating and he knows more about the game. HD for me, doesnt suit my style.
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On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly.
Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again.
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On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again.
Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again!
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On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again!
That's witty. Care to address my argument instead?
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On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly.
Got proof that HD is 'high master'? There's something seriously wrong with the game if someone without basic knowledge can get to 'high master'.
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On April 13 2012 13:55 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again! That's witty. Care to address my argument instead?
His points are valid (tsuxiit), even though he takes the argument to the extreme. While I don't think we "should laugh them off stage" I do think it's silly that a tournament hires casters that miss the mark, lack obvious chemistry, and are not likeable. And don't say their not, because it's been a point often repeated that HD and Painuser need to improve on their casting ability.
Now did they go on five minute rant about Swastika's in the middle of map during IPL4? No, they improved after their month long break. They were however incredible unproffessional during the Nestea V Squirtle game where they mentioned during the break, while the players were moving about the stage, what each player was going to do. They mentioned that Nestea was going for mutalisks. I think they mentioned his third. Things that a Korean would pick up on despite the language barrier. It's that kind of neglect and carelessness that I think makes them bad casters. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but I don't think they work that hard at improving their casting. I also think that bad casters should not be rehired when there are dozens of willing replacements. That is just my two cents, and I really hope HD improveslike Husky and TB did.
And for HD being in Masters/Grandmasters - that doesn't matter. If you know how to do a few builds just right, or just have good strong mechanics, than you can get pretty high on the ladder (especially the NA ladder). HD has competed in a few of the MLGs and he hasn't won a single game. Painuser seems to be just as bad.
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On April 13 2012 14:16 McFeser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 13:55 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again! That's witty. Care to address my argument instead? His points are valid (tsuxiit), even though he takes the argument to the extreme. While I don't think we "should laugh them off stage" I do think it's silly that a tournament hires casters that miss the mark, lack obvious chemistry, and are not likeable. And don't say their not, because it's been a point often repeated that HD and Painuser need to improve on their casting ability. Now did they go on five minute rant about Swastika's in the middle of map during IPL4? No, they improved after their month long break. They were however incredible unproffessional during the Nestea V Squirtle game where they mentioned during the break, while the players were moving about the stage, what each player was going to do. They mentioned that Nestea was going for mutalisks. I think they mentioned his third. Things that a Korean would pick up on despite the language barrier. It's that kind of neglect and carelessness that I think makes them bad casters. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but I don't think they work that hard at improving their casting. I also think that bad casters should not be rehired when there are dozens of willing replacements. That is just my two cents, and I really hope HD improveslike Husky and TB did. And for HD being in Masters/Grandmasters - that doesn't matter. If you know how to do a few builds just right, or just have good strong mechanics, than you can get pretty high on the ladder (especially the NA ladder). HD has competed in a few of the MLGs and he hasn't won a single game. Painuser seems to be just as bad.
So I take it you know a few builds and are in high masters or grand masters yourself? Can we have proof of this? It really feels like it's not just criticism at some points. People really like to say things but never will back it up. If you are making that bold statement can you POST your own ranking? I expect you to be higher than Painuser and HD myself.
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On April 13 2012 14:34 GertHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 14:16 McFeser wrote:On April 13 2012 13:55 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again! That's witty. Care to address my argument instead? His points are valid (tsuxiit), even though he takes the argument to the extreme. While I don't think we "should laugh them off stage" I do think it's silly that a tournament hires casters that miss the mark, lack obvious chemistry, and are not likeable. And don't say their not, because it's been a point often repeated that HD and Painuser need to improve on their casting ability. Now did they go on five minute rant about Swastika's in the middle of map during IPL4? No, they improved after their month long break. They were however incredible unproffessional during the Nestea V Squirtle game where they mentioned during the break, while the players were moving about the stage, what each player was going to do. They mentioned that Nestea was going for mutalisks. I think they mentioned his third. Things that a Korean would pick up on despite the language barrier. It's that kind of neglect and carelessness that I think makes them bad casters. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but I don't think they work that hard at improving their casting. I also think that bad casters should not be rehired when there are dozens of willing replacements. That is just my two cents, and I really hope HD improveslike Husky and TB did. And for HD being in Masters/Grandmasters - that doesn't matter. If you know how to do a few builds just right, or just have good strong mechanics, than you can get pretty high on the ladder (especially the NA ladder). HD has competed in a few of the MLGs and he hasn't won a single game. Painuser seems to be just as bad. So I take it you know a few builds and are in high masters or grand masters yourself? Can we have proof of this? It really feels like it's not just criticism at some points. People really like to say things but never will back it up. If you are making that bold statement can you POST your own ranking? I expect you to be higher than Painuser and HD myself.
Do you understand the point of what you just read? The part about how criticism, if it makes sense, is valid regardless of ladder ranking? Or are you being intentionally retarded?
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On April 13 2012 14:42 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 14:34 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 14:16 McFeser wrote:On April 13 2012 13:55 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again! That's witty. Care to address my argument instead? His points are valid (tsuxiit), even though he takes the argument to the extreme. While I don't think we "should laugh them off stage" I do think it's silly that a tournament hires casters that miss the mark, lack obvious chemistry, and are not likeable. And don't say their not, because it's been a point often repeated that HD and Painuser need to improve on their casting ability. Now did they go on five minute rant about Swastika's in the middle of map during IPL4? No, they improved after their month long break. They were however incredible unproffessional during the Nestea V Squirtle game where they mentioned during the break, while the players were moving about the stage, what each player was going to do. They mentioned that Nestea was going for mutalisks. I think they mentioned his third. Things that a Korean would pick up on despite the language barrier. It's that kind of neglect and carelessness that I think makes them bad casters. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but I don't think they work that hard at improving their casting. I also think that bad casters should not be rehired when there are dozens of willing replacements. That is just my two cents, and I really hope HD improveslike Husky and TB did. And for HD being in Masters/Grandmasters - that doesn't matter. If you know how to do a few builds just right, or just have good strong mechanics, than you can get pretty high on the ladder (especially the NA ladder). HD has competed in a few of the MLGs and he hasn't won a single game. Painuser seems to be just as bad. So I take it you know a few builds and are in high masters or grand masters yourself? Can we have proof of this? It really feels like it's not just criticism at some points. People really like to say things but never will back it up. If you are making that bold statement can you POST your own ranking? I expect you to be higher than Painuser and HD myself. Do you understand the point of what you just read? The part about how criticism, if it makes sense, is valid regardless of ladder ranking? Or are you being intentionally retarded?
I must be retarded. Because if it doesn't matter, you shouldn't have had a hard time stating your ranking.
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On April 13 2012 14:42 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 14:34 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 14:16 McFeser wrote:On April 13 2012 13:55 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again! That's witty. Care to address my argument instead? His points are valid (tsuxiit), even though he takes the argument to the extreme. While I don't think we "should laugh them off stage" I do think it's silly that a tournament hires casters that miss the mark, lack obvious chemistry, and are not likeable. And don't say their not, because it's been a point often repeated that HD and Painuser need to improve on their casting ability. Now did they go on five minute rant about Swastika's in the middle of map during IPL4? No, they improved after their month long break. They were however incredible unproffessional during the Nestea V Squirtle game where they mentioned during the break, while the players were moving about the stage, what each player was going to do. They mentioned that Nestea was going for mutalisks. I think they mentioned his third. Things that a Korean would pick up on despite the language barrier. It's that kind of neglect and carelessness that I think makes them bad casters. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but I don't think they work that hard at improving their casting. I also think that bad casters should not be rehired when there are dozens of willing replacements. That is just my two cents, and I really hope HD improveslike Husky and TB did. And for HD being in Masters/Grandmasters - that doesn't matter. If you know how to do a few builds just right, or just have good strong mechanics, than you can get pretty high on the ladder (especially the NA ladder). HD has competed in a few of the MLGs and he hasn't won a single game. Painuser seems to be just as bad. So I take it you know a few builds and are in high masters or grand masters yourself? Can we have proof of this? It really feels like it's not just criticism at some points. People really like to say things but never will back it up. If you are making that bold statement can you POST your own ranking? I expect you to be higher than Painuser and HD myself. Do you understand the point of what you just read? The part about how criticism, if it makes sense, is valid regardless of ladder ranking? Or are you being intentionally retarded?
Your criticism doesnt make sense though. I think both of them know the ins and outs of this game, of course they make mistakes with their predictions but who doesnt? Tastosis talks about favorite super nintendo games, position they sleep in or other random crap but they are considered the best casterduo. Honestly I dont even see Tasteless even being remotely interested in the game itself, at least HD has some passion for sc2. This community helds double standards, people like day9 wouldnt be bashed so hard for making a wrong call. Youre right in that the ability to criticize is independent from your ladder rank, but saying they are so out of touch that they are embarassing is an exaggeration and insulting. HD has like a 1000 casts on youtube how could he be out of touch with the proscene ?
The only valid criticism Ive read so far is that HD should calm himself when he gets too excited and both of them should play random on ladder so they get a better feeling for the other races. Those things can be said about a lot of casters. They are both willing to improve and listen to us, although they get so much flak, which to me shows great character strength and willpower. If you guys read this, dont let yourself get taken down, a lot of people enjoy and appreciate your work.
Edit: imo top 3 casters are Artosis, Day9 and dApollo. one step below that are people like khaldor, wolf, adebisi, doa, catspajamas, hd, painuser, husky, wheat , bitter, rotterdam, TB who I enjoy all because of different qualities they have where one is better in one department and worse in another. They all could improve in their own ways but none of them is in any way embarassing or not watchable or whatever hyberbole is used when bashing them, they all contribute to this scene. Why not embrace the diversity we have in casters? Today I heard Frodan at NASL he looks promising too. Cant understand why socalled sc2fans are so negative on people who work hard to bring us content we want to see?
Edit 2:I make it top 4 and add rob simpson.
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Hey guys,
I thought IPL 4 was not terrible, but not the most amazing casting I've ever seen. To be honest, it was just a little below average. I really, really think that HD and PainUser should both increase not only their knowledge of the game match ups and such, but specific maps and strategies employed on the maps. I really enjoy djW's casting with day[9] because they always point out possibilities that are very common on the specific map, as well as the player's tendencies to do certain strategies on maps. I feel that both of you don't really have the same knowledge, and hardly try to study the players or the maps in the pool, and just kind of wing it, hoping that your charm on stage will be enough to pass. One huge example that I specifically remember is Squirtle vs Nestea on Antiga Shipyard. You should've noted that the version of the map was the golden mineral patches, how that could potentially affect the game. When the hatch went down on the gold for nestea as his natural, you should've noted why that was his decision instead of the natural, and how the early pool coincided with that decision. Then you should've explained why he cancelled the hatchery as soon as Nestea saw no ffe, which is starting to not be used on Antiga because how exploitable it is. All these things that even a diamond player just casually glancing at the game were completely ignored, and you passed it off as "Oh.. guess Nestea had a change of heart!". Just by looking into the metagame and researching a little bit more (it is your job after all!), I think that your casting would be greatly improved and much more watchable. Please take these things into consideration. Also, your chemistry between each other needs some more work.. maybe some private practicing with each other, or casting at more even more events together.
P.S. I realize this post sounds really negative, and I'm sorry for that but it's just how I see it. You do have some good traits, such as a well articulated voice and knowledge of the basic matchups themselves, but pro gaming goes much more beyond than just simple ladder builds.
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For all the people that don't believe that HD is in Masters:
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2896414/1/xSixHD/ladder/lastseason/leagues
Granted, it only shows last season's leagues and rankings (he has yet to place for this season) and not his career 1v1 rankings, but it does at least show he was in Masters last season albeit not that active (he is 8-3). I know for sure that he did reach high master's when he was more active a couple season's ago.
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HD i find you likeable overall as a caster but i think the inconsistent flow of your commentary, poor diction, and lack of insightful comments is holding you back. good luck!
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On April 13 2012 15:13 GertHeart wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 14:42 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 14:34 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 14:16 McFeser wrote:On April 13 2012 13:55 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again! That's witty. Care to address my argument instead? His points are valid (tsuxiit), even though he takes the argument to the extreme. While I don't think we "should laugh them off stage" I do think it's silly that a tournament hires casters that miss the mark, lack obvious chemistry, and are not likeable. And don't say their not, because it's been a point often repeated that HD and Painuser need to improve on their casting ability. Now did they go on five minute rant about Swastika's in the middle of map during IPL4? No, they improved after their month long break. They were however incredible unproffessional during the Nestea V Squirtle game where they mentioned during the break, while the players were moving about the stage, what each player was going to do. They mentioned that Nestea was going for mutalisks. I think they mentioned his third. Things that a Korean would pick up on despite the language barrier. It's that kind of neglect and carelessness that I think makes them bad casters. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but I don't think they work that hard at improving their casting. I also think that bad casters should not be rehired when there are dozens of willing replacements. That is just my two cents, and I really hope HD improveslike Husky and TB did. And for HD being in Masters/Grandmasters - that doesn't matter. If you know how to do a few builds just right, or just have good strong mechanics, than you can get pretty high on the ladder (especially the NA ladder). HD has competed in a few of the MLGs and he hasn't won a single game. Painuser seems to be just as bad. So I take it you know a few builds and are in high masters or grand masters yourself? Can we have proof of this? It really feels like it's not just criticism at some points. People really like to say things but never will back it up. If you are making that bold statement can you POST your own ranking? I expect you to be higher than Painuser and HD myself. Do you understand the point of what you just read? The part about how criticism, if it makes sense, is valid regardless of ladder ranking? Or are you being intentionally retarded? I must be retarded. Because if it doesn't matter, you shouldn't have had a hard time stating your ranking.
Just because you're so curious, I'm high masters and have been since season 2. Last season I laddered on an account named 'jerm' that was in a division with someone named ESCOPETA. I finished the season rank 6 with 1.1k points and 150 bonus pool. I've beaten frequently players like goswser and shitty GMs and played decent games with players like IdrA, Nony, et. al. Again, it doesn't matter.
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On April 13 2012 16:43 Fliparoni wrote:For all the people that don't believe that HD is in Masters: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2896414/1/xSixHD/ladder/lastseason/leaguesGranted, it only shows last season's leagues and rankings (he has yet to place for this season) and not his career 1v1 rankings, but it does at least show he was in Masters last season albeit not that active (he is 8-3). I know for sure that he did reach high master's when he was more active a couple season's ago.
http://www.sc2ranks.com/team/12616220#alltime
HD has "peaked" at top4000 world ranking throughout his ladder career. That's pretty much low Master if you were wondering.
And that's only his Zerg, he admitted that his game knowledge was even more limited with the two other races.
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Correct me if im wrong but Yes on this account he peaked at mid masters but i know that he had to make a new account a couple seasons ago when he switched over to check six team due to there not being anymore name change options for his old account. Anyone have any data for his old account when he was more active on the ladder?
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Personally, I enjoy listening to HD and PainUser. They may not be the best analytical casters, but they obviously have a strong passion for the game, which is what I look for most when watching casts. "Good" or "Bad" casting is still completely subjective, and many people do enjoy casters who are just passionate about the game. There will always be room for improvement, but I strongly disagree with the notion that they deserve any kind of flaming or hate with all of the hard work they put into their improvement and the general SC2 community. Just my opinion on the matter.
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On April 14 2012 00:27 tsuxiit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 15:13 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 14:42 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 14:34 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 14:16 McFeser wrote:On April 13 2012 13:55 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:53 CerpinTaxt wrote:On April 13 2012 13:50 tsuxiit wrote:On April 13 2012 13:42 GertHeart wrote:On April 13 2012 13:27 tsuxiit wrote:
I'm really tired of the perception that it's OK for casters not to know the ins and outs of the game they are commentating. It's completely ridiculous. It wouldn't be remotely acceptable in any other sport, so why Starcraft? It's actually completely ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. HD should be laughed out of events until he actually knows what he's talking about, and we shouldn't be forgiving. It's embarrassing that someone so out-of-touch with the professional scene is casting a high-profile professional event.
Was he better on Sunday than Friday? Yeah. Does that mean he should have been there at all on Friday? No. I don't get this... and these kinds of comments. Do people who post like this realize that he is High Masters or is still Grandmasters league? Same for Painuser. When I see a comment like this I feel to myself, can you yourself post to us and show to us that you are more highly skilled than he is, so that we know you have this experience and skill that he does not, instead of complaining blindly. Are you serious? It has absolutely nothing to do with how skilled I am. If you hear a good, intelligent caster who himself is a pro player and truly knows how to describe and narrate the action on the screen in a Starcraft 2 game you will never want to listen to HDStarcraft again. Once you read a good, intelligent post, by someone who truely knows what they are talking about, you will never want to read a tsuxiit post again! That's witty. Care to address my argument instead? His points are valid (tsuxiit), even though he takes the argument to the extreme. While I don't think we "should laugh them off stage" I do think it's silly that a tournament hires casters that miss the mark, lack obvious chemistry, and are not likeable. And don't say their not, because it's been a point often repeated that HD and Painuser need to improve on their casting ability. Now did they go on five minute rant about Swastika's in the middle of map during IPL4? No, they improved after their month long break. They were however incredible unproffessional during the Nestea V Squirtle game where they mentioned during the break, while the players were moving about the stage, what each player was going to do. They mentioned that Nestea was going for mutalisks. I think they mentioned his third. Things that a Korean would pick up on despite the language barrier. It's that kind of neglect and carelessness that I think makes them bad casters. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but I don't think they work that hard at improving their casting. I also think that bad casters should not be rehired when there are dozens of willing replacements. That is just my two cents, and I really hope HD improveslike Husky and TB did. And for HD being in Masters/Grandmasters - that doesn't matter. If you know how to do a few builds just right, or just have good strong mechanics, than you can get pretty high on the ladder (especially the NA ladder). HD has competed in a few of the MLGs and he hasn't won a single game. Painuser seems to be just as bad. So I take it you know a few builds and are in high masters or grand masters yourself? Can we have proof of this? It really feels like it's not just criticism at some points. People really like to say things but never will back it up. If you are making that bold statement can you POST your own ranking? I expect you to be higher than Painuser and HD myself. Do you understand the point of what you just read? The part about how criticism, if it makes sense, is valid regardless of ladder ranking? Or are you being intentionally retarded? I must be retarded. Because if it doesn't matter, you shouldn't have had a hard time stating your ranking. Just because you're so curious, I'm high masters and have been since season 2. Last season I laddered on an account named 'jerm' that was in a division with someone named ESCOPETA. I finished the season rank 6 with 1.1k points and 150 bonus pool. I've beaten frequently players like goswser and shitty GMs and played decent games with players like IdrA, Nony, et. al. Again, it doesn't matter.
Sorry but I was unable to find that name on the ranking boards, nothing above diamond. Only A JermainCole who was masters.
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