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BM_Rawbertson
Profile Joined November 2011
43 Posts
April 11 2012 11:01 GMT
#841
i know enough about the game i dont really care if the caster is knowledgeable its more about liking the personality.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
April 12 2012 00:19 GMT
#842
On April 11 2012 20:01 BM_Rawbertson wrote:
i know enough about the game i dont really care if the caster is knowledgeable its more about liking the personality.


So misleading your audience is okay as long as some people understand it? So you would be okay with a football caster talking about how the point of the game is to get grand slams because you understand the rules already?
PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
April 12 2012 04:56 GMT
#843
Hey guys, just wanted to say I have read over every single post here for IPL4 feedback and I really appreciate the constructive criticism. I will be taking what I deem to be intelligent criticism to heart and trying to perfect my craft of casting. This is my job and I take it very seriosly. The positive comments also really help, it is good for me to reinforce those things that people enjoy.

Many opinions noted, but please try to stay constructive. I will try to continue to read up on any criticisms of me with any casting that I do. Sorry if you don't feel IPL4 was up to par but I put tons of effort into my analysis casting before and during the event. All I can say is that I will continue to try and improve and impress everytime I put myself out there.

Cheers,

PainUser
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Playing Protoss is like driving automatic, playing Terran is like driving stick.
DonHoratio
Profile Joined July 2011
United States10 Posts
April 12 2012 05:01 GMT
#844
Thanks PainUser, you're doing it right!
Bushes knock down the towers.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
April 12 2012 05:17 GMT
#845
On April 12 2012 09:19 Odal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 20:01 BM_Rawbertson wrote:
i know enough about the game i dont really care if the caster is knowledgeable its more about liking the personality.


So misleading your audience is okay as long as some people understand it? So you would be okay with a football caster talking about how the point of the game is to get grand slams because you understand the rules already?


He seemed fine to me, and certainly I didn't see any "misleading" things equivalent to "a football caster talking about how the point of the game is to get grand slams."

I don't learn anything from any casters basically except when idra or another pro gamer casts analytically. Therefore, I like casters that I like. I wouldn't be playing SC2 if it wasn't for HD's casts on youtube, as I'm sure is the case for several hundred (thousand?) people so he'll always have a place in my heart.

Still, I have no idea why HD was getting so much hate.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
meijin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States141 Posts
April 12 2012 05:37 GMT
#846
i think painuser does pretty well in the matchups he is familiar with, but can have trouble with non terran matchups. one particular example from IPL4 would be Nestea vs Squirtle game 1 on Antiga. he didn't seem to understand why Nestea tried to take the gold but then canceled it when it was fairly obvious he was anticipating a fast expand but had to cancel when his overlord saw that squirtle had opened gatway first instead of a forge.

there is a build specifically designed for that version of the map where you pool slightly early, take the gold, double gas in your main and do a baneling bust to exploit the wide ramp. i expect this is what Nestea was going to do given that he took the gold as his 2nd base instead of his 3rd.

overall i think he does a good job but he could benefit from studying some of the matchups that he may not be as familiar with.
FuGGu
Profile Joined March 2012
United States176 Posts
April 12 2012 05:42 GMT
#847
On April 12 2012 09:19 Odal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2012 20:01 BM_Rawbertson wrote:
i know enough about the game i dont really care if the caster is knowledgeable its more about liking the personality.


So misleading your audience is okay as long as some people understand it? So you would be okay with a football caster talking about how the point of the game is to get grand slams because you understand the rules already?


This is a pretty drastic, unfair comparison. He's definitely not "misleading" the audience, and even if some of his information isn't entirely sophisticated or game revealing it's not like HD is saying "Build grunts and paladins and gyrocopters!"...he still can commentate the game without having a tertiary level of game knowledge.

And again, misleading is a pretty bold word manggg.
Solidarity
Profile Joined September 2011
United States78 Posts
April 12 2012 05:44 GMT
#848
HD got a lot of flack this tournament for supposedly bad casting. While he isn't unbelievably knowledgeable, I thought he was entertaining and called the action pretty well. His knowledge of Zerg matchups is relatively solid, too. It's tough to look good when you're followed by CatsPajamas and dApollo, who completely killed it.
DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
April 12 2012 05:50 GMT
#849
HD was the first caster I followed on youtube and I enjoyed his casts. As a casting pair with Painuser you two have good chemistry and in terms of the level of professionalism there are no complaints but keep in mind that when casting in pairs the other caster is the entertainer and the other is the analyzer. I'd suggest that you let Painuser do the analysis and concentrate on entertaining.

Keep up the good work and don't let the haters get in the way of awesome SC2 casting!
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
April 12 2012 05:53 GMT
#850
Painuser and HD,

You guys have been the subject of internet trolls with nothing better to do.

You guys are friendly , love SC2, human - which means errors can occur - big deal.

You guys are a pleasure to watch, and you make a great team.

Keep it up , and ignore the haters, not worth wasting your energy on.

Cheers,
Parcelleus.
*burp*
PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
April 12 2012 16:00 GMT
#851
Most of it I can take tongue and cheeck. But the Reddit community really ripped HD a new asshole. Most of it wasn't even constructive at all. Just hurtful stuff and not helpful. And at the end of the day, what the fans want/like is the best way to do things. I still try to maintain my style but adapting can't possibly hurt.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Playing Protoss is like driving automatic, playing Terran is like driving stick.
Jermman
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada174 Posts
April 12 2012 16:11 GMT
#852
Sorry PainUser, but HD is holding you back. As much as I like what HD is trying to do, you really are the more knowledgeable and entertaining caster by far. HD also has a grating voice.
Terran/Random Player
Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
April 12 2012 16:34 GMT
#853
I enjoyed the casts personally. Obviously HD isn't as knowledgeable about the game s dApollo but thats not always necessary. Sometimes it can be irritating casters make a wrong call and continue to do so during the game. Examples can be misjudging the outcome of a long slow engagement or the Antiga Shipyard example used earlier in this thread. But that can happen on occasion and it really doesn't bother me much. Stylistically I think HD and Painuser are just fine and that is the most important part for me. They are entertaining to listen to and can properly describe the broad stokes of the game, even if sometimes they get some specifics wrong.
karn1
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands75 Posts
April 12 2012 16:42 GMT
#854
I also thought the hating on HD from Reddit was really uncalled for. The guy puts in a lot of time and effort and I always enjoy his casting.
spancho
Profile Joined September 2009
United States161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 16:57:41
April 12 2012 16:53 GMT
#855
Ive been watching and enjoying HDs broadcasts since it was a big deal to have HD casts (like way back pre-beta). Love that guy. PainUser on the other hand I havent seen nearly as much of. Both of them I think are great, but I have one little piece of constructive critisism. PainUser calles every zerg counter attack a run-by. A run-by my friend is when the lings RUN-BY the defenses, not when the terran army is way out in the middle of the map and some lings attack his 3rd.

Much love dude, but it makes me cringe every time (and it happens a LOT).

Also I just want to say that the hate is way over the top. You guys both do a great job which the community at large appreciates and enjoys. IPL4 was a fantastic tourney (even if I wasnt able to catch all of it). Please dont let the haters get to you!
"Your face can't hurt 'cuz you're ugly." -Tasteless
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 17:09:12
April 12 2012 17:05 GMT
#856
On April 13 2012 01:00 PainUser wrote:
Most of it I can take tongue and cheeck. But the Reddit community really ripped HD a new asshole. Most of it wasn't even constructive at all. Just hurtful stuff and not helpful. And at the end of the day, what the fans want/like is the best way to do things. I still try to maintain my style but adapting can't possibly hurt.


i hope you realize that people that support you guys are simply not taking their time making sure you get that message ("hey PainUser, great job on IPL" ^^), while the loud minority runs rampant shitting on everything and leaving the feel of overall fan dissatisfaction, which actually isn't the case

i'm all for constructive criticsm and ideas on how to improve, but when 7 out of 10 guys shit on YOUR game knowledge of all the casters out there, just because you were paired up with HD - and we all know HD is no Day9 so let's make sure we point it out every time we get the chance - it's really hard to take them seriously, and the difference between bashing and criticsm becomes very clear.

so don't take anything away from yourself because of such individuals, their interest in sc2 will pass or they will get out of puberty, either way, they'll learn that you just don't do shit like that without getting your facts straight. we all know you're the next best thing to Artosis when it comes to analytical casting, so keep it up and ignore the haters

p.s. no show against BoxeR in NASL S1 was a dumb and disrespectfull thing to do, especially considering you were just starting to get a lot more exposure back then... /constructive criticsm
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Irre
Profile Joined August 2010
United States646 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-12 18:13:26
April 12 2012 18:11 GMT
#857
My advice for Painuser would be to be yourself more. You have good knowledge of the game and can offer good casting material wise, but I often felt like you were just trying to hard to sound "professional". It ended up just coming off nervous or over enthusiastic over really minute little things, but it was like an awkward enthusiasm I don't really know how to describe it. It sounds often like you are being empathetic to what happens to the players in the game than being an outsider looking in. Tasteless and Artosis are a good example of just being completely authentic and natural while they are casting..even catspajamas does a good job in this respect while sounding really professional. I guess this isn't super clear, but TLDR; Just try and cast being more yourself and less trying really hard to sound like a "professional caster". Just giving good game commentary and avoiding bad words is enough to do a great job when you actually have insight on the game. All the extra inflection and stuff takes away from it in my opinion.

For HD, if you don't know a lot, thats ok, but less predictions on what the player is going to do, because its just awkward when you are way off. Avoiding those situations would go a long way to getting people off your back, bc otherwise you are authentic and have a good casting voice and can play by play pretty well.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
April 12 2012 18:22 GMT
#858
I honestly think the casting at IPL was fine. It wasn't the greatest casting ever, but it never got on my nerves either. If you want constructive criticism though:

HD: Your knowledge of non-zerg matchups is a bit lacking and it might be better to really stick to play-by-play in that case. Your voice is smooth as butter and best served when sticking most to play-by-play

Painuser, I think you're a funny guy and I always enjoy hearing your thoughts on games. Don't let the haters get to you :-)
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Glastnost
Profile Joined September 2011
16 Posts
April 12 2012 19:10 GMT
#859
I really enjoyed the casting. I liked Painuser's style a bit more, but that's just personal preference.

If there's one thing I could ask for you guys to improve it would just be please stop using filler sentences as much. It seemed like HD was a bit more guilty of it, but that's natural because he's generally a play by play caster. But I can't stand certain sentences that are just thrown out there a couple times every game. "As best as he possibly can" springs to mind. Of course he's trying the best he can, that's just a dumb filler line. Other than that keep up the good work :D
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
April 12 2012 19:18 GMT
#860
When HD and Painuser started regular casting at ipl stream I thought it was really awesome. Much of it was not trying to be the most professional casters always afraid of what they might say. It led to some really funny situations where HD said something and painuser didn't know whether to cry or laugh and it created a great dynamic between the two. I find the kind of casting with all suited up @ ipl4 not working nearly as well. I don't know if it's the nerves or lack of experience but HD seemed to babble a lot because he felt he needed to talk all the time? Like when they introduced the players, i dont remember who it was but a TvP or TvZ and HD said the terran player may go for even sky terran (which would never ever happen :D), also the slight "panic" when idra was 0-4 and HD was wondering if idra can advance. It's ok to stop and think once in a while, you don't need to talk 300 words per minute.

Are you guys doing regular casting anymore? I remember seeing only cats&doa on ipl streams. Also the times one of you were playing and the other one commenting/coaching were really good.
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