EPTHD had some strange moments, but I'm sure he'll improve.
PainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 42
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Zenon
United Kingdom66 Posts
HD had some strange moments, but I'm sure he'll improve. | ||
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BlooDCounT
Bulgaria28 Posts
I will give you an example: HD claimed that the speedlings are the buffer and the roaches are the DPS in the ling roach composition against terran. This is utterly untrue. Roaches are used as meatshields so that the lings can get the angle/surround they need. They are also used because they deal better against hellions than banelings (hence that the games when we see roaches from stephano there has been a helion opening from the opponent. | ||
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An2quamaraN
Poland379 Posts
On April 09 2012 13:26 Sinensis wrote: If you want to get leagues ahead of every other caster out there, never say "This game is over" or anything like that. In the final moments of the game there should be enough going on not to have to accounce the game has ended before it actually has. I would go so far as to say don't announce which player is "winning" ever. Seriously think of the worst thing your mother/girlfriend/boyfriend/someone who doesn't understand esports could possibly ask you: It's "Are you winning?" Artosis & Tasteless say 'this game is over, expect gg' couple minutes before the actual end like in half the matches they cast. And they do it because they know they're right. There's no point in fooling the audience. I, personaly, like it very much, i hate casters trying to give other player chances while he is 100 supplies down because then they start saying stupid things that even a bronze leauger wouldn't believe. | ||
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Zcience
Germany22 Posts
I believe it would help, if HD would concentrate more on watching the minimap for events. Watching a lot of streams and other casters would add a lot of knowledge, which can then be successfully utilized during casting. That makes the casting seem more professional instead of the unnerving experience my friends had during your casting time at IPL. I don't know much about Painusers casting, it seemed to be a little bit overshadowed by HD's performance. I believe that most of the professional comments were done by him, so I can't base an opinion on the experience I had with his casting until now. I hope to hear more of him in the future. I hope you guys keep it up and try to improve! | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On April 10 2012 22:32 Zcience wrote: I watched IPL with 2 of my friends and to be honest, we didn't like HD's casting. It's not like we didn't like HD's voice or his way of speaking, I personnally actually really like that. HD missed some events he shouldn't have, didn't show needed data or showed unnecessary data. Following an events like a starting nuclear launch is funny the first time, but simply annoying, when it's shown everytime. The zooming in on events and turning the camera angle is something, i think, should be avoided, too. I believe it would help, if HD would concentrate more on watching the minimap for events. Watching a lot of streams and other casters would add a lot of knowledge, which can then be successfully utilized during casting. That makes the casting seem more professional instead of the unnerving experience my friends had during your casting time at IPL. I don't know much about Painusers casting, it seemed to be a little bit overshadowed by HD's performance. I believe that most of the professional comments were done by him, so I can't base an opinion on the experience I had with his casting until now. I hope to hear more of him in the future. I hope you guys keep it up and try to improve! ....that's ST_Legend you're complaining about, he's observer for GSL. | ||
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SecondSandwich
United States319 Posts
 PainUser is kind of the opposite. Something about his voice or personality or something miffs me on a purely subjective, personal level. I enjoyed seeing HD in some other casting combinations. | ||
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Zablar
Sweden2 Posts
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Zcience
Germany22 Posts
On April 10 2012 22:34 S_SienZ wrote: ....that's ST_Legend you're complaining about, he's observer for GSL. MMA vs Stephano - 23:00 CEST (+02:00) - Losers Round Two | ||
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On April 10 2012 23:38 Zcience wrote: MMA vs Stephano - 23:00 CEST (+02:00) - Losers Round Two I watched that game, they used Legend for IPL4 since he was there for GSTL. What's your point? | ||
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Zcience
Germany22 Posts
On April 10 2012 23:41 S_SienZ wrote: I watched that game, they used Legend for IPL4 since he was there for GSTL. What's your point? All right, my fault, didn't know that. | ||
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Duke_Leto
United Kingdom29 Posts
On April 10 2012 23:41 S_SienZ wrote: I watched that game, they used Legend for IPL4 since he was there for GSTL. What's your point? And Legend's observing is amazing. I was watching IPL with a friend and we both commented on how good the obs was. I even said "this guy's like Startale_Legend" and then later we found out that there was a good reason for that! ^^ On topic; enjoyed PainUser's casting and analysis. HD seems like a nice guy but needs loads more game knowledge to be legit. | ||
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StrykerSC2
United States11 Posts
For example, HD + dApollo Or PainUser + Doa | ||
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Chrobbus
Iceland195 Posts
However, it's always nice to see new duos popping up in the casting industry, and I truly hope you guys do well and wish you the best of luck. | ||
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epidGoaty
United States219 Posts
PainUser: I like your desire to be enthusiastic, but don't overdo it. Natural speech comes across to the viewers a lot better and will bring out more emotion in the long run. I feel you try to use creative words too often, which is great because you don't say a lot of things other repeat too much, but still if it doesn't come out naturally it just sounds like you're trying too hard. You also have a tendency to repeat what the other person has said. Not a bad review by any means, but if you're looking to some feedback from an average watcher that's what I got for ya. HD: Haven't really sat in on a lot of your casts to be honest. You got the look, you got the sound, you got the energy. I can't really complain. I think you get flustered sometimes so you will trip over words and seem to be searching for the next thing to say. I would do the same if not worse though, keep it up and just keep analyzing other players styles so you can provide a bit more feedback on what's going on and typical builds you see players do and such. Overall, pretty good. Painuser should stick to playing though  Edit: Just to give some examples. You know when you're watching a bad TV show, and it's only bad because it's overplayed and you can tell the actors are acting the way they are just for the camera? Doesn't come naturally, little to no personality to where you feel a connection with that character. That's what I would say here. Reading above some people mention Tasteosis and how they make mistakes as well - this is true BUT they're funny and their personalities are truly who they are, they aren't being fake for the camera or because they feel this is how you are supposed to speak when commentating. | ||
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VasHeR
166 Posts
The next day in another PvZ on Antiga, the protoss went gateway/cyber etc at the top of the ramp and PainUser noted that it is a risky map for trying forge fast expo. Seriously are you just making stuff up as you go along? This was frustrating... Overall the casting was smooth and you guys manage to go through things such as awkward lags/pauses with fluidity. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On April 11 2012 03:18 VasHeR wrote: In a PvZ on Antiga at IPL, the protoss went for forge fast expo and PainUser noted that it was a great map for forge fast expo. The next day in another PvZ on Antiga, the protoss went gateway/cyber etc at the top of the ramp and PainUser noted that it is a risky map for trying forge fast expo. Seriously are you just making stuff up as you go along? This was frustrating... Overall the casting was smooth and you guys manage to go through things such as awkward lags/pauses with fluidity. While he articulated it poorly (or maybe you're right and he just doesn't know), it is possible for both of those statements to be true. The structure of the natural makes it good for FFE, whether you do it around your Nexus or at the ramp, but because of the gold minerals in the middle, you are vulnerable to a Zerg taking that base and taking an early lead that is often insurmountable. So while the physical structure of the map favors FFE, the current meta-game says that if you FFE, Zerg will take the gold without impunity. But he didn't articulate the differences there. Other than that, like everyone else, I feel like HD should continue to work on his game knowledge, which was painfully lacking at times. I also don't think they pair very well together, and could benefit from a CatsPajamas/PainUser and HD/Apollo pairing. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Fast forward to 2:27:35. | ||
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Scufo
United States136 Posts
It's like they're trying too hard to be "the caster" instead of just being themselves. That's what makes Tastosis so good - they seem like they're having fun in the booth. They're confident. They make mistakes, but they shrug them off without being self-conscious about it. There's something natural about their casting, and while I'm sure HD and PainUser can get closer to that ideal with practice, I'm not sure they'll ever be top-tier casters. I realize this isn't the most helpful or concrete feedback, but it's the way I see it. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
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leveller
Sweden1840 Posts
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