On October 02 2011 17:14 Iatrik wrote:
Pros like f.e. IncontroL are still having all there units in 1 control group... Making 1 emp kill your whole army. => Protoss "hardest" in GM

But, that is a player's mistake. It shouldn't matter for purposes of determining which race is more difficult to play imo.

xbankx

703 Posts

October 02 2011 08:24 GMT

#23

seem right. Zerg is shit hard to play at low lvls. I remember trying to learn zerg when I was in diamond. It was really hard. Also agree with Protoss being hardest at pro level. Every attack is like an all-in, lose you army? GG. Miss forcefield in battle? GG. Oh and all-ins by terran is very strong.

Medrea

10003 Posts

October 02 2011 08:25 GMT

#24

Huh, an actually interesting poll. No real balance whine either.

Keep it that way please?

decaf

Austria1797 Posts

October 02 2011 08:26 GMT

#25

I think for players that are rather new to starcraft and don't have godly apm and multitasking terran is the hardest race in masters/GM. But for people who are already really good (like nestea, mvp etc) Zerg is the hardest race, because it takes incredible knowledge and decisionmaking to cut all the edges perfectly.

carrion

United Kingdom87 Posts

October 02 2011 08:26 GMT

#26

Z-Z-Z-P,
bronze/silver -> macro - zerg needs those drones
gold/plat -> scouting - zerg is mostly played in a reactive style
diamond/masters -> strategy/game sense - I answered Z but I don't think I have an informed enough opinion.
GM -> making no major mistakes/very few minor mistakes. - As OP said, constantly need to be aware of a possible engagement and taking the bare minimum units for tech means you're walking along the wire similar to zerg with drones at lower levels. I believe protoss has the easiest time making mistakes, which is what separates the best players.

Tanukki

Finland579 Posts

October 02 2011 08:27 GMT

#27

With T and P it's easier to cheese your way into diamond, so I voted Z hardest for all lower leagues.

Even in higher leagues Z has the least capability to cheese. They are kinda forced to practice their macro game while learning the many contingencies against opponent cheeses. So I voted Z for high leagues as well.

shinarit

Hungary900 Posts

October 02 2011 08:28 GMT

#28

Im bronze/silver player, random, and the poll is very accurate in that: zerg is a beast to handle (i always get to flow in minerals, even with fairly good injecting), the other two im ok with. Just wanted to say

Supamang

United States2298 Posts

October 02 2011 08:30 GMT

#29

I dont agree with Terran being harder to play than either brotoss or zerg at diamond/masters. I started out as Terran and played at diamond level as Terran for a while. The stutterstep micro really isnt that hard to learn, tank placement doesnt take long to get the hang of. Managing multiple drops/attacks is a little tougher though. Still, Terran is by far the strongest in the early game and having other races fearful of whether or not youre doing some early 1 base attack or some annoying bunker rush is such a huge advantage.

huddo38

Australia15 Posts

October 02 2011 08:30 GMT

#30

I agree with the results so far as well. However, it will be interesting to watch the polls as the NA community comes online. It would also be interesting to compare the results to the number protosses terrans and zergs in each league and see how much they diverge.Naturally people will always have a degree of bias.

naggerNZ

New Zealand708 Posts

October 02 2011 08:31 GMT

#31

People should stop making threads like these. It's going to be completely biased as every person complains that their race is the hardest to play at each level. In reality, they're all equally easy to play at every level.

United States813 Posts

October 02 2011 08:35 GMT

#32

Too bad people can't understand the difference between an easy race and a strong race.

Supamang

United States2298 Posts

October 02 2011 08:35 GMT

#33

Oh and I learned how to do a decent (obviously not perfect) marine split vs banelings 1 day after I saw it done by a pro in GSL (mighta been MKP, dunno it was a long time ago).

Ive always found the task of remembering to macro properly much more annoying than microing battles or multitasking. With Terran units benefiting the most from micro, maybe thats why I dont think Terran deserves to be the top of the difficulty list in any of the leagues

Callynn

Netherlands917 Posts

October 02 2011 08:35 GMT

#34

Assuming a player has infinite skill (meaning above GM and beyond), the number of useful actions he could do to his advantage for each race should also be close to the highest vote of GM 'hardest to play'.

However, I don't feel this is a fair measurement. There is no such thing as a perfect player who is able to get all potential deadliness out of each race. Also, the numbers in these polls won't be close to correct untill:

- You confine the vote to 1 vote overall, only allowing players to vote for the league they are currently in in 1v1.
- You have at least half the player's votes for the current patch and these patches do not overlap.
- Players voting have played all races in their respective lead at least several dozen times.

To this end, the poll statistics are (I don't mean to be rude...) meaningless to say the least. They are like a horoscope in a popular magazine.

branflakes14

2082 Posts

October 02 2011 08:37 GMT

#35

On October 02 2011 17:17 decaf wrote:
This is what NesTea has to say about it

If by "has to say" you mean "had to say 6 months ago", then yeah.

Znoz

Latvia127 Posts

October 02 2011 08:38 GMT

#36

Till master league - zerg is something like paladin in wow - faceroll.

Pisko.

United States214 Posts

October 02 2011 08:44 GMT

#37

I voted Z, Z, Z, P but I think Terran might actually be harder than Zerg at Bronze/Silver levels due to the amount of randomness at low level.

mickd

Australia2 Posts

October 02 2011 08:44 GMT

#38

This poll is a great idea, but has one HUGE flaw in my opinion...

I think the poll needs to separate diamond and masters. The two are extremely different.

In diamond, i think zergs are still the hardest (since most diamond zergs haven't learnt how to scout properly), but in masters, terrans (since most terrans don't start learning how to micro properly until this point).

Callynn

Netherlands917 Posts

October 02 2011 08:45 GMT

#39

On October 02 2011 17:38 Znoz wrote:
Till master league - zerg is something like paladin in wow - faceroll.

Arguments and replays or it didn't happen. I don't take offense in something but as a diamond zerg I have to disagree with you.

Elean

689 Posts

October 02 2011 08:46 GMT

#40

I really don't understand how protoss can be more difficult to play than terran at any level, including pro.

In term of balance, I believe terran is much stronger than protoss, so if you want to win GSL, it will be easier as terran.

But, in term of how difficult it is to reach the top of your race, I really think protoss is the easiest.They have the lowest skill ceiling of all races.
Seriously, is it easier to reach Nestea's level as a zerg or to reach MC's level as a protoss ?

I really don't see anything impressive from pro protoss. So many of them still have all their army in 1 control group...

Protoss is the race that rewards skills the least. In term of balance at pro level, it's a disavantage. But that makes protoss the easiest race to master.