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OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 13:31:57
October 02 2011 13:31 GMT
#761
I think a lot of the hype is more about the potential of this guy. He is only 18, he's got the potential to go really far. Also, stop making excuses when players lose. Excuses like "he was tired/jet-lagged/didn't try because it wasn't important/it was online" does only one thing, and that is take away from the player that won that game.
<3
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
October 02 2011 20:16 GMT
#762
On October 02 2011 03:27 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 03:14 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 02 2011 00:14 Elefanto wrote:
What do people expect him to be, the next messiah?
Give him a break.

And people claiming his IPL 3 Qualifier run to be a fluke, and adding comments like

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 01 2011 23:32 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 23:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Some people seriously judging Stephano over 1 not so good series against Ryung who is sick himself.... but when they see



this.. they are saying "Lag, MMA tired, bad day" .. etc :s


Didn't use a dropship until 17:00 in game minutes (for marines).
Didn't split MM at all against fungals he knew were coming.

While I think MMA probably was actually tired this game here if MMA was playing at 100% would be closer, but I'm not so sure the outcome would be different. I still don't see the extreme fuss over him.


are stupid. Why are you searching for excuses for his opponent?
Did you ever ask yourself why you often see hilariously bad mistakes in pro games, while
in a pro vs semi-pro / third rated player, the pro 99% stomps the other guy without making a mistake while making his opponent looking like a huge scrub?
Downplaying his games / achievements is disgusting.


You seem to miss where I say the outcome might have been the same if MMA was playing at the top of his game. I'm not dismissing the guys talent because his strategy is quite good, but if you think that was MMA's 100% you're sadly mistaken. I could list more examples from that game, but why bother obviously I'm a Stephano hater.

Edit: You EU players seem to really stick to you guys. I wish I was this angry when everyone was dogging Huk.... Oh wait I'd rather have a reasonable discussion on the topic at hand.


I claim Stephano was tired and didn't play 100% and you can't prove otherwise. See how constructive this is?

edit: He was also tired and had to pee vs Ryung in case you wonder so that loss doesn't count.


Yup you got me. MMA played perfectly. Bronze players know how to split up MM, but he feels like keeping them tight together is a solid strategy especially against infestors. You're too invested in this guys ladder run which again is only a ladder run lmfao. I wouldn't mind if he wins MLG, but apparently he is already better than every NA,EU,KOR that exists, but he feels like LANs are a waste of time. Hopefully he does win then all your coattail riding becomes worth it then right???? right?
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 02 2011 20:38 GMT
#763
On October 03 2011 05:16 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 03:27 Longshank wrote:
On October 02 2011 03:14 NoobSkills wrote:
On October 02 2011 00:14 Elefanto wrote:
What do people expect him to be, the next messiah?
Give him a break.

And people claiming his IPL 3 Qualifier run to be a fluke, and adding comments like

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 01 2011 23:32 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2011 23:08 mTw|NarutO wrote:
Some people seriously judging Stephano over 1 not so good series against Ryung who is sick himself.... but when they see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQkyQUpdnds&feature=feedu

this.. they are saying "Lag, MMA tired, bad day" .. etc :s


Didn't use a dropship until 17:00 in game minutes (for marines).
Didn't split MM at all against fungals he knew were coming.

While I think MMA probably was actually tired this game here if MMA was playing at 100% would be closer, but I'm not so sure the outcome would be different. I still don't see the extreme fuss over him.


are stupid. Why are you searching for excuses for his opponent?
Did you ever ask yourself why you often see hilariously bad mistakes in pro games, while
in a pro vs semi-pro / third rated player, the pro 99% stomps the other guy without making a mistake while making his opponent looking like a huge scrub?
Downplaying his games / achievements is disgusting.


You seem to miss where I say the outcome might have been the same if MMA was playing at the top of his game. I'm not dismissing the guys talent because his strategy is quite good, but if you think that was MMA's 100% you're sadly mistaken. I could list more examples from that game, but why bother obviously I'm a Stephano hater.

Edit: You EU players seem to really stick to you guys. I wish I was this angry when everyone was dogging Huk.... Oh wait I'd rather have a reasonable discussion on the topic at hand.


I claim Stephano was tired and didn't play 100% and you can't prove otherwise. See how constructive this is?

edit: He was also tired and had to pee vs Ryung in case you wonder so that loss doesn't count.


Yup you got me. MMA played perfectly. Bronze players know how to split up MM, but he feels like keeping them tight together is a solid strategy especially against infestors. You're too invested in this guys ladder run which again is only a ladder run lmfao. I wouldn't mind if he wins MLG, but apparently he is already better than every NA,EU,KOR that exists, but he feels like LANs are a waste of time. Hopefully he does win then all your coattail riding becomes worth it then right???? right?


Did you realize his post was ironic ?
NoiR
kidd
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States2848 Posts
October 02 2011 20:41 GMT
#764
Long thread for a ladder run that wasn't even the best EU has seen. Stephano is really good, everyone should know that already. Now can we stop arguing about something that is already highly inconsequential?
Hi
Juleszerg
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia6 Posts
October 02 2011 20:45 GMT
#765
Apart from being pretty good at the game, Stephano's music on his stream is the best going around. Heard Nirvana the other day and Dire Straits today, can't believe he is only 18 with that taste!

No wub wub wub to be heard :D
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 02 2011 20:47 GMT
#766
The question is, how come none made a hype thread about the much more deserving 93% win rate that Happy had a couple of seasons ago? ... I guess e-sports fans are less like a regular sports fans and more like a bunch of groupies.
Khanz
Profile Joined April 2010
France214 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 21:08:55
October 02 2011 21:06 GMT
#767
On October 03 2011 05:47 s4life wrote:
The question is, how come none made a hype thread about the much more deserving 93% win rate that Happy had a couple of seasons ago? ... I guess e-sports fans are less like a regular sports fans and more like a bunch of groupies.


On October 03 2011 05:41 kidd wrote:
Long thread for a ladder run that wasn't even the best EU has seen. Stephano is really good, everyone should know that already. Now can we stop arguing about something that is already highly inconsequential?



happy was not called "gosu top 3 zerg in the world" by SlayerS_MMA, this is not only about his ladderrun but also why is his ladderrun so great.
Don't worry, zombies eat brains. You're safe
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 02 2011 21:11 GMT
#768
And Happy did get recognized, Day9 made a whole daily called "How to get 90% win rate with T" which was about Happy
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
October 02 2011 21:14 GMT
#769
His vP hasnt been treating him too well as of late.
Tasteless: "What was it Hans Solo was frozen in? Kryptonite?" Artosis: "Lol, no. Thats the stuff that hurts Batman."
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
October 02 2011 21:24 GMT
#770
I like watching Stephano stream, but can't tell if he's trolling with his builds. Zerglings and creep tumors all day, minimal gas into upgrades with smooth timings to keep the evolution chambers working. He drops macro hatches like other players put down spines. The style is amazingly successful on the ladder. Is it safe though? Hope so because it is fun to watch.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 21:24:59
October 02 2011 21:24 GMT
#771
On October 03 2011 06:06 Khanz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 05:47 s4life wrote:
The question is, how come none made a hype thread about the much more deserving 93% win rate that Happy had a couple of seasons ago? ... I guess e-sports fans are less like a regular sports fans and more like a bunch of groupies.


Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 05:41 kidd wrote:
Long thread for a ladder run that wasn't even the best EU has seen. Stephano is really good, everyone should know that already. Now can we stop arguing about something that is already highly inconsequential?



happy was not called "gosu top 3 zerg in the world" by SlayerS_MMA, this is not only about his ladderrun but also why is his ladderrun so great.


Oh pleaazzzze, and DRG called Thorzain the best foreing player in the world.. what about that? at least Thorzain has something to show for it.. what has Stephano done? what LANs has he won or was close to winning? none, nothing, nada, zero. That's why I used the term groupies.. let's wait and see how he does at IPL.. my hunch? he's gonna get dismantled by the koreans....
vilg
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark413 Posts
October 02 2011 21:26 GMT
#772
^ actually he was pretty close to winning one of the two LANs he attended, Assembly, where he among others owned Sen and lost in an incredibly close series to dimaga (who later won the tournament), stephano taking 3rd place.
Kelethius
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada187 Posts
October 02 2011 21:32 GMT
#773
i think alot of people are forgetting a crucial aspect of stephanos ladder run when comparing it to others. Sure alot of pros have had crazy records at the start of a season, or on smurf accounts... But stephanos ladder run began when he was either 1st or top 5 grand masters on EU server. His 64-1 record was all while being #1 on eu halfway (or longer) through a season, meaning his MMR was already stupidly high from the first game, he didnt have any free wins from like low low masters league players or randoms from the start of the season.
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
October 03 2011 12:57 GMT
#774
On October 03 2011 06:24 s4life wrote:
Oh pleaazzzze, and DRG called Thorzain the best foreing player in the world.. what about that? at least Thorzain has something to show for it.. what has Stephano done? what LANs has he won or was close to winning? none, nothing, nada, zero. That's why I used the term groupies.. let's wait and see how he does at IPL.. my hunch? he's gonna get dismantled by the koreans....


assembly and hsc3 ?

You obviously never saw him play, so keep the hate to yourself.

Nobody cares about your hunch btw. He may loose, he may win, in either situation i m sure he will provide good entertainment to the viewers.
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
jdsowa
Profile Joined March 2011
405 Posts
October 03 2011 13:36 GMT
#775
There have been a number of Terrans who have held 85%+ win streaks on ladder. This is because the ladder has close positions. I can't recall ever seeing a zerg post such a high win rate on ladder before.

Some points about his recent play that distinguish him from other zergs:

1) He always spreads creep well, so he's able to get surrounds, retreat if he needs to, and get queens involved in battle.
2) He's always splitting his lings up into 2 or 3 groups on the fly so he can flank or defend multiple positions.
3) He gets early ling speed, but generally runs on low gas until 4+ bases.
4) He's constantly re-setting his hatchery rally points to his army. It's surprising how few people do this. Especially beneficial when you're mostly building speed lings.
5) He's not afraid to spam out spines and spores.
6) He'll often throw up 3+ macro hatches late game.
Papulatus
Profile Joined July 2010
United States669 Posts
October 03 2011 13:38 GMT
#776
On October 03 2011 06:14 bRuTaL!! wrote:
His vP hasnt been treating him too well as of late.


No ones ZvP is doing well right now.
4 Corners in a day.
Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
October 03 2011 13:49 GMT
#777
Yeah he has some trouble vs heavy sentry/zealot/air playstyle.
Stephano, Sarens, Tarson, Mana, MMA, MVP -- Dawg EU Master Terran
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 03 2011 16:05 GMT
#778
On October 03 2011 21:57 Dawg_Snow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 06:24 s4life wrote:
Oh pleaazzzze, and DRG called Thorzain the best foreing player in the world.. what about that? at least Thorzain has something to show for it.. what has Stephano done? what LANs has he won or was close to winning? none, nothing, nada, zero. That's why I used the term groupies.. let's wait and see how he does at IPL.. my hunch? he's gonna get dismantled by the koreans....


assembly and hsc3 ?

You obviously never saw him play, so keep the hate to yourself.

Nobody cares about your hunch btw. He may loose, he may win, in either situation i m sure he will provide good entertainment to the viewers.


I've seen him play.. great macro and potential, his fans are a bunch groupies though and probably his biggest obstacle to improve -- as apparently he won't leave france because his team believes he's better off winning against nobodies in local french tournies -- IPL wasn't paid by his team.
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
October 03 2011 16:10 GMT
#779
On October 04 2011 01:05 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 21:57 Dawg_Snow wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:24 s4life wrote:
Oh pleaazzzze, and DRG called Thorzain the best foreing player in the world.. what about that? at least Thorzain has something to show for it.. what has Stephano done? what LANs has he won or was close to winning? none, nothing, nada, zero. That's why I used the term groupies.. let's wait and see how he does at IPL.. my hunch? he's gonna get dismantled by the koreans....


assembly and hsc3 ?

You obviously never saw him play, so keep the hate to yourself.

Nobody cares about your hunch btw. He may loose, he may win, in either situation i m sure he will provide good entertainment to the viewers.


I've seen him play.. great macro and potential, his fans are a bunch groupies though and probably his biggest obstacle to improve -- as apparently he won't leave france because his team believes he's better off winning against nobodies in local french tournies -- IPL wasn't paid by his team.

This.

French SC2 scene is not focused on what really matter : International visibility. It's a real shame. Most players (ToD being an exception) are awful in English and feel very comfortable staying in a country where the SC2 scene is quite small and isolated from the International scene.

The french SC2 league (The EGG One Starleague) had little to no coverage on TL. Why? Because french stream was the only one available. Would you imagine a Dreamhack stream in Swedish and not in English?

Come on Stephano, don't fall for this. Join a big, international team, or at least push Millenium to internationalize itself.
Join the Liquipedia Zerg Project ! PM me for more information :).
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
October 03 2011 16:11 GMT
#780
On October 04 2011 01:05 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 21:57 Dawg_Snow wrote:
On October 03 2011 06:24 s4life wrote:
Oh pleaazzzze, and DRG called Thorzain the best foreing player in the world.. what about that? at least Thorzain has something to show for it.. what has Stephano done? what LANs has he won or was close to winning? none, nothing, nada, zero. That's why I used the term groupies.. let's wait and see how he does at IPL.. my hunch? he's gonna get dismantled by the koreans....


assembly and hsc3 ?

You obviously never saw him play, so keep the hate to yourself.

Nobody cares about your hunch btw. He may loose, he may win, in either situation i m sure he will provide good entertainment to the viewers.


I've seen him play.. great macro and potential, his fans are a bunch groupies though and probably his biggest obstacle to improve -- as apparently he won't leave france because his team believes he's better off winning against nobodies in local french tournies -- IPL wasn't paid by his team.


Yeah, and next MLG isn't ? Check your facts please. You're talking about some rumours that have been proven wrong long ago.
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