EPTStephanos Ladderrun - Page 14
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 24 2011 07:07 MadNeSs wrote: So... has stephano found a new team yet? Or is that why he's just playing so much on ladder? He is still on Millenium. | ||
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Goshdarnit
United States540 Posts
On September 24 2011 01:46 DystopiaX wrote: To be fair the Koreans have a lot more and better ladder competition than the eu players do though. Maybe for early pressure, but when you look at the players near the top... most koreans aren't that much better. But ya if he was playing mvp or many other code s players he wouldnt have near that winrate. He did jsut solidly beat MMA though, I am very impressed with stephano's zvt and zvp. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On September 24 2011 07:18 Canucklehead wrote: Didn't Happy have an insane record on eu ladder not too long ago? Didn't huk get number 1 on eu ladder once after 4 days? Wasn't sase number 1 on eu ladder for a long time? While ladder record is nice, I still don't put a huge amount of stock into ladder ranking as it varies by pros how seriously they take ladder. Sase also had a 38 winning streak not long ago. But we cant take anything away from Stephano tho. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
This doesn't mean Stephano is the best player in the universe obviously (or Europe), but he's displayed enough raw skill with this feat that you definitely need to take him into account for the future. Personally I consider it to be an achievement equal to winning one or two weekly cups. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
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Xpace
United States2209 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Complexity could have sent him to Korea to study with DongRaeGu, who has the best ZvT in the world, in an entirely different style. Can you imagine how good Stephano and Doctor G would be if they had two completely different styles they could play equally as well? | ||
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DiaBoLuS
Germany1638 Posts
On September 24 2011 05:02 ReignFayth wrote: lol he won the IPL qualifier beating TSL_Revival, Puzzle, Kiwikaki, MMA etc. yeah pretty bad in tourneys Stephanos 0-2 was a defwin for welmu. dont talk about things you dont know about. On September 24 2011 08:33 Xpace wrote: I lost the quote but did someone say merz was a top terran, in the same page someone said MMA was a top terran? Well... I don't know what to say.. whoever considers merz as a top terran doesnt understand much about this game. maybe if apm is the only thing that counts! xD | ||
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Wilko
Germany470 Posts
On September 24 2011 08:40 VirgilSC2 wrote: Complexity could have sent him to Korea to study with DongRaeGu, who has the best ZvT in the world, in an entirely different style. Can you imagine how good Stephano and Doctor G would be if they had two completely different styles they could play equally as well? Stephano could teach DRG some ZvP I just couldnt believe my eyes, when he 3-base-roach-pushed with 15 queens as support | ||
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Fox116
United States409 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On September 24 2011 01:44 Mattchew wrote: Ladder results dont seem thread worthy to me personally.. but GL at IPL this guy is a beast who should always be watched Agreed. Let's see some tournament results to correlate with that. | ||
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
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Thrill
2599 Posts
On September 24 2011 08:40 VirgilSC2 wrote: Stephano is a monster. I say it in every Stephano thread. I really think his decision to stay with Millenium was a poor one, career wise. Complexity could have sent him to Korea to study with DongRaeGu, who has the best ZvT in the world, in an entirely different style. Can you imagine how good Stephano and Doctor G would be if they had two completely different styles they could play equally as well? I agree. Korea is the only way. I don't believe DRG has the best ZvT in the world though, i certainly didn't see it last MLG at least... Beating Thorzain, while impressive, it wasn't done convincingly enough to warrant such a statement. | ||
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mjf
United States436 Posts
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Kelethius
Canada187 Posts
On September 24 2011 04:59 Xpace wrote: "Excellent job Stephano, especially as Zerg!" Sigh... Despite how zergs do in tournaments or in high level play, zerg is objectively the easiest race to lose to a cheese or all-in, epsecially on the ladder without knowing opponents tendencies etc etc etc... And theres tons of terrans/protoss and even zergs in the vsZ matchup that constantly try funky new allins and wierd timings and just all around risky play to try and sneak out wins. That fact is what makes this feat really crazy, because hes played all those games whilst parrying the huge variety of cheeses that all 3 races can throw at vs a zerg. If you cant appreciate that then you dont understand the game. Terrans and protoss can force a long game vs a worse opponent and walk away with extremely high winrates, zerg cant. The fact that stephano has managed that high winrate despite being the most volatile race is extremely impressive. | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On September 24 2011 10:16 Kelethius wrote: Despite how zergs do in tournaments or in high level play, zerg is objectively the easiest race to lose to a cheese or all-in, epsecially on the ladder without knowing opponents tendencies etc etc etc... And theres tons of terrans/protoss and even zergs in the vsZ matchup that constantly try funky new allins and wierd timings and just all around risky play to try and sneak out wins. That fact is what makes this feat really crazy, because hes played all those games whilst parrying the huge variety of cheeses that all 3 races can throw at vs a zerg. If you cant appreciate that then you dont understand the game. Terrans and protoss can force a long game vs a worse opponent and walk away with extremely high winrates, zerg cant. The fact that stephano has managed that high winrate despite being the most volatile race is extremely impressive. Yeah. It's simply the nature of a defensive race to be able to lose to stupid stuff. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On September 24 2011 04:17 navara wrote: finally one french cyberathlete to be proud of! (aside from adel) <3. google ToD. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 24 2011 10:13 Thrill wrote: I agree. Korea is the only way. I don't believe DRG has the best ZvT in the world though, i certainly didn't see it last MLG at least... Beating Thorzain, while impressive, it wasn't done convincingly enough to warrant such a statement. I actually didn't get to see his series against ThorZain, so I can't comment on that. However, Doctor G is actually insane with his understanding of TvZ. The only players I can remember on hand that have beaten him in that match-up are Bomber and MVP. On September 24 2011 09:59 Wilko wrote: Stephano could teach DRG some ZvP I just couldnt believe my eyes, when he 3-base-roach-pushed with 15 queens as support That's exactly what I was saying. Stephano has amazing ZvT, as does DRG, however they both approach the matchup very differently, in regards to unit compositions and style. I can't even wrap my head around what it would be like to see these two players able to switch back and forth between eachother's styles in a Best-of series. It would throw every Terran around the bend. | ||
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