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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
Today we announce that we have chosen not to extend the contract with our Swedish Starcraft II player Johan 'NaNiwa' Lucchesi. His current contract expires at the end of the month and we have agreed with Johan not to offer a consecutive one. We wish Johan all the best with his future career. Source: http://www.team-dignitas.net/articles/news/Starcraft-II/372/NaNiwa-and-Team-Dignitas-part-ways/ 
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
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Yannosh
Belgium93 Posts
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yoigen
Germany369 Posts
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
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Nesquik
United Kingdom600 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
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Perfi
Poland349 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + IMNaniwa | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
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TimeFlighT
Australia257 Posts
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knL
Germany400 Posts
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
 Too bad know that half dignitas is in korea, but he'll have no problem finding a new home | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4729 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
I bet coL will be interested, especially since he's already at the MVP house. | ||
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Klipsys
United States1533 Posts
You read it here first! | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Ok i'm probably overreacting but still, my favorite toss player :O As long as theres no big drama this is fine with me I suppose, I always felt like maybe he'd be better off in a korean team, which I'm sure he will join. I hope korean managers realize his potential and skill. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
Everybody is happy! GL to him anyways! | ||
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Bojas
Netherlands2397 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Geordie
United Kingdom653 Posts
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
They did say they were interested in another foreign player... | ||
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tyles
United Kingdom509 Posts
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ZuRbii
United States58 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
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BjC
England181 Posts
Maybe Nani wants to stay in Korea and improve and feels he will be better off there, but from an outsiders point of view he didnt seem to be missing out on anything at Dignitas except maybe the big wages. /shrug | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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bassJe
Netherlands140 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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ch4ppi
Germany802 Posts
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
GL to NaNi and Dignitas! | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. | ||
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Eogris
United States148 Posts
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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Elite__
Canada976 Posts
i hope he can find a good team though, hes my favorite toss player!! | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
I wonder who he will join. Seems like it would be a Korean team but it could be anyone i guess. | ||
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nooboon
2602 Posts
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solidONE
United States160 Posts
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
I bet that some Korean team is after him. | ||
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twistedalpha
Philippines139 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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Kerm
France467 Posts
:p More seriously, I don't see Dignitas leaving such a player behind, so I guess we can expect him in a 'better' team ... korean is a good posisbility. | ||
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
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bounca
140 Posts
(that is korean) | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Stilll a big loss for Dignotas!!! | ||
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:09 FXOpen wrote: We have spoken to NaNiWa and we will not be recruiting him. Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. Hm, interesting. Looks like col.MvP has the most money out of any of the Korean teams if they're the only one who can sign Naniwa. I thought possibly Slayers as well with all their sponsors but guess not. MvPNaniwa coming right up. | ||
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iRon aka bananajuice
Germany124 Posts
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
I seriously have no idea, but good luck to him! | ||
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
Can't say its surprising either, he hasn't really done anything significant recently and hasn't been competing in team leagues either. I don't like him as a player, or his attitude, but I like his dedication to the game. If he wants to unleash his full potential he needs to stop being so negative when it comes to balance. I always see him complaining about how weak Protoss is to him. We'll probably be seeing Nani on MVP, or possibly Startale. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
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JokkeL
Germany13 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
It is coming. | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
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hYrasD
Germany164 Posts
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
Hopefully the parting was amicable and he gets to join a Korean team. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
Certainly did not see that one coming, especially with Select being in korea right now. Well given that Nani said repeatedly that he plans on staying in korea long term, I guess we can expect him to join a korean team. | ||
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amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:12 GrungyMunchy wrote: I don't wanna pull the "Liquid`[newly_released_player]" meme, but if Naniwa wants to stay in Korea and if he doesn't want to join a Korean team I think Liquid really is the best deal for him. The oGs partnership practically shuts down the need to join an actual Korean team. If liquid can't keep huk I highly doubt they can take on Naniwa. He's prob asking for similar deals as Huk. | ||
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Lynkilen
Norway211 Posts
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bassJe
Netherlands140 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:13 amd098 wrote: NaNiwaWerra? You touched it... oh god thats so wrong. *claps* | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:09 FXOpen wrote: We have spoken to NaNiWa and we will not be recruiting him. Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. FXO is so classy and open, I love it. I hope you guys the best, I really want SC and QXC treat them well! | ||
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
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NexaS
United States202 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
Success! | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Seriously big news, he has to be the biggest foreign free agent since Idra during Gamescom 2010. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
Serious note though, really unexpected for me. Thought dignitas and Naniwa were a really good match together. I do hope Naniwa moves to a korean team and positions himself full time there. He has what it takes to be the best. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:15 Perseverance wrote: EG has Incontrol be a manager or something and picks up NaNi ^^ Success! Well funny as hell but mean, mean, mean. I LIKE IT! | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Perseverance
Japan2800 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:14 Kevan wrote: Liquid Naniwa?EG Naniwa?Col Naniwa? Or maybe he doesn´t give a shit about salary and joins IM or Slayers. I think in the long run him joining IM or SlayerS would make him the most money anyway, I mean he would have access to all the best players for practicing...so in theory after 1-2 months he would turn into sup beast megaman mode like Thorzain did and then Foreign teams would be offering him MUCH more. All my personal opinion though o.o | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
well, good luck nani with wherever you choose to go! personally, i'm hoping it's a korean team. ^^ | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
I guess they weren't giving him enough money and he wanted more... | ||
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MenSol[ZerO]
Canada1134 Posts
cant get stephano? Get naniwa!!! | ||
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ForTheDr3am
842 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:14 NexaS wrote: The day after I order a team-dignitas hoodie? Really? At least it still looks nice. Where he goes no doubt depends on the reason they mutually agreed to terminate the contract. If he doesn't care about money, then he basically could join any team there is. He's definitely in the top 10 as far as foreigners go; it's not like he isn't a desirable addition. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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Deadbread
Germany143 Posts
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
It will be interesting to see where he ends up. | ||
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Dominico
Canada678 Posts
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
So he a) wanted more money or b) stay in Korea with a team (and therefore has to join the team)?^^ Will be really interesting, who's gonna pick him up. But I'm sure it has to be a Korean team or a team with connections to Korea (so not mouz etc), cuz he stated that he wanted to stay there for as long as possible | ||
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Raygun
348 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
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Aristodemus
England1985 Posts
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EKnaus
126 Posts
ST_Naniwa. I want to see him wear that star, actually... | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:13 Numy wrote: If liquid can't keep huk I highly doubt they can take on Naniwa. He's prob asking for similar deals as Huk. Maybe that's true, and I don't wanna talk for him, but I don't think money is Naniwa's biggest concern, considering how he's always so focused on winning and winning alone. I think he wants to train in Korea in the best practicing conditions he can get, and that doesn't depend solely on the money he will earn. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
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Raygun
348 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:17 Deadbread wrote: This is huge. Why is this huge? Do teams even matter now? | ||
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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pit5000
United States7 Posts
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Jtom
Ireland1044 Posts
It will be interesting to see which uniform he will be sporting tomorrow for his match... | ||
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Chromodoris
Sweden136 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:18 EKnaus wrote: ST_Naniwa. I want to see him wear that star, actually... I'd consider that about equivalent to Jaedong wearing the FOX logo. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:15 Termit wrote: I don't think Naniwa cares that much about the money if he would get an offer from a team like SlayerS or IM. I can understand if he wanted more money to join a team like FXO who isn't such a good team compared to some other teams out there. Well if he's in it for the long run, for his carreer it would most likely to be best to become as good as humanly possible. Which is why a korean team would suit him by far the best, after he gets insanely good and starts dominating all the foreign tournaments again, he can ask for whatever salary he wants. So joining a korean team might not be best salary wise, but its an investment in the future. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
(Make it happen, thanks.) | ||
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Bensio
United Kingdom621 Posts
Please be heart <3 | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
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pit5000
United States7 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:20 MrSexington wrote: EG.Naniwa (Make it happen, thanks.) isn't EG setting up in Korea with Huk, Idra and Puma soon? | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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falafelnr1
Sweden444 Posts
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Andrew2658
United States356 Posts
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
Because naniwa is such a fucking boss I expect him to join a korean team or TL for quality practice rather than sign with a foreign team for big money, that guy has had his eyes set on winning GSL for a long time and I think he's in korea for the long haul. Joining EG wouldn't be strategic at all. Anyway gl to nani and dignitas! | ||
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DrPhilOfdOOm
Sweden353 Posts
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eXplod3
Norway43 Posts
 EG.Naniwa, gogo! Their camp in Korea would be epic! Huk and Naniwa, idrA and Machine, Puma! oh my.. Sick line up! | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
Would love to see him in Liquid, but I guess that's not going to happen (would be a good fit for at least Nani, who want s to stay in Korea, I believe). (coL.)MVP is probably more likely, especially with the whole Stephano situation falling apart, and with him living there. Although it doesn't seem like Naniwa is in it for the money, so he might just go to a more prestigious team with not as much money. Waiting for the reveal of his next team with great excitement. GL to both Naniwa and Dignitas! | ||
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
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PDizzle
Denmark1754 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:22 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote: EG here is your chance to get a good protoss! bm | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
Sad to hear about this. I am guessing because he wants to stay in Korea? Dignitas are still strong, I hope this wont affect the team too much. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
for some reason im more psyche dover this then the HuK drama.... lol | ||
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Chezus
Netherlands427 Posts
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:09 FXOpen wrote: We have spoken to NaNiWa and we will not be recruiting him. Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. Thanks for the info Boss. You're the man. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
Plus he was talking to korean teams 2 MLG ago, (source from twitter) so it was bound to happen. | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
He can get a salary there and stay with MVP. | ||
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Floobie
England296 Posts
Obviously i could be wrong and this is all IMO. | ||
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EKnaus
126 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:23 Chezus wrote: Uhm, unless I'm horribly mistaken, doesn't he live in the StarTale house? It's probably ST_Naniwa He left the StarTale house because the StarTale manager thought he was only staying for a week I believe. edit: I can't spell... | ||
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LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
No srsly: what the hell? I mean i dont like him very much but you have to admit that he is a good player. In my opinion they should get rid of bischu rather than naniwa. | ||
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Seronei
Sweden991 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:23 Chezus wrote: Uhm, unless I'm horribly mistaken, doesn't he live in the StarTale house? It's probably ST_Naniwa He live sin MVP house atm. He lived in StarTale house for a while though. | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
I think Naniwa is worth a lot of money to a team, but teams like EG can't keep shelling out mega deals to players. They have to run out of money eventually and continually signing players like this may force out a lot of the players who aren't on par with the HuK's, Idra's and Puma's of the world. There's only two ways coL doesn't sign him: 1) coL doesn't want him for some reason. 2) Naniwa doesn't care about foreign travel. If he doesn't care about the foreign travel I think it will be much easier for a Korean team to sign him. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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RiT4LiN
Netherlands131 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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Juvant
United States723 Posts
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
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SoapSC
Netherlands112 Posts
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n00b3rt
Bulgaria890 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:09 FXOpen wrote: We have spoken to NaNiWa and we will not be recruiting him. Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. I'm not implying that I am really informed or anything, I'm just a fan speculating. I think his financial requirements for joining a foreign team and joining a Korean team are different. Despite the fact that FXO is the foreign team that's most established in Korea (not counting Liquid-OGS) it's still a foreign team and can't provide a team house full of the best-of-the-best koreans. So he's going either for a mediocre wage with perfect practicing conditions OR an insanely lucrative offer from a foreign team. | ||
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Morale
Sweden1010 Posts
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:25 LayZRR wrote: MVP_Naniwa! First! No srsly: what the hell? I mean i dont like him very much but you have to admit that he is a good player. In my opinion they should get rid of bischu rather than naniwa. They didn't drop him they just couldn't make an agreement on the contract. Either it be pay or staying longer in Korea we don't know yet, but they didn't kick him off the team. | ||
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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cactusjack914
United States183 Posts
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
 my favorite team without a decent protoss now.. need to consider choosing a new one now... | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
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DeadBull
421 Posts
maybe he quits starcraft. He said he hates the game lately^^ | ||
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decaf
Austria1797 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:09 FXOpen wrote: We have spoken to NaNiWa and we will not be recruiting him. Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. There are many koreans that are much better. Aren't they getting more than him? So they should have the financial requirements? | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
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SpurvL
Sweden345 Posts
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:25 PlaGuE_R wrote: nAni, got to Team Liquid! you get to live with a swede in a house with two of the best protosses in the world and some amazing terrans!! Not only that, but Liquid is really good at sending players to foreign tournaments!! go Liquid pleaase >< e. wait, i might have understood your post wrong. ignore it lol | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Copenap
723 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:25 LayZRR wrote: MVP_Naniwa! First! No srsly: what the hell? I mean i dont like him very much but you have to admit that he is a good player. In my opinion they should get rid of bischu rather than naniwa. Page 7 and you think you're first with the most obvious team? | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:25 ceaRshaf wrote: How do teams earn money with their players? Do they get payed to attend to tournaments? Cause only by prize earnings i can't see it happening. They earn money with their players through the sponsors. To use HuK as an example, he places relatively well at almost every event he's in and since he's a fan favorite he's always in the public eye be it playing or not. That leads to a lot of exposure for him and when he's wearing Kingston or Steelseries badges and carrying your companies product that's great advertising for you. Huk might earn close to 6 figures a year, but EG is making a lot more than that off all the publicity he brings in for the team and their sponsors. | ||
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Theovide
Sweden914 Posts
In case of 1, he'll most likely join another foreign team, in case of 2, well he's obvioulsy joining a korean team. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Mcleod21
Jamaica29 Posts
i'd say hes going to mouz | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
please | ||
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pryde089
England7 Posts
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Calm
Canada380 Posts
So EGNani? | ||
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falafelnr1
Sweden444 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:28 Grettin wrote: Why would he go to sweden when he can stay in Korea and practice in oGs-TL house? jesus.. Dude, that's what he's saying..... | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
Really though, I'm assuming it will be a Korean team. | ||
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em0rej007
France36 Posts
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S2Lunar
1051 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
Yeah, i just edited my post. Understood it wrong at first. ^_^ | ||
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Flaccid
8828 Posts
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MartynX
United Kingdom122 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:27 ilikeLIONZ wrote: oh no my favorite team without a decent protoss now.. need to consider choosing a new one now...They have BlinG, he beat Thorzain in ladder yesterday ^_^ | ||
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Veclada
742 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:28 Grettin wrote: Why would he go to sweden when he can stay in Korea and practice in oGs-TL house? jesus.. e. wait, i might have understood your post wrong. ignore it lol lool, bro, i meant Jinro :D :D | ||
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Xivsa
United States1009 Posts
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:26 n00b3rt wrote: I'm not implying that I am really informed or anything, I'm just a fan speculating. I think his financial requirements for joining a foreign team and joining a Korean team are different. Despite the fact that FXO is the foreign team that's most established in Korea (not counting Liquid-OGS) it's still a foreign team and can't provide a team house full of the best-of-the-best koreans. So he's going either for a mediocre wage with perfect practicing conditions OR an insanely lucrative offer from a foreign team. You know FXO has a team house in korea comprised of the old fOu guys? | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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Chromodoris
Sweden136 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:28 Grettin wrote: Why would he go to sweden when he can stay in Korea and practice in oGs-TL house? jesus.. He said that he should stay in the oGs-TL house, read it again. He gets to live with Jinro, MC and HuK and alot of good terrans (TOP and supernova). Maybe that clears it up for you. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:15 Zlasher wrote: This is actually gigantic, I'm quite surprised to see this news. The way I see it only a really big money team, or MAYBE a Korean team could afford the pay Naniwa will probably seek. which narrows it to what...EG and a few other teams, and then maybe a Korean team or two? Seriously big news, he has to be the biggest foreign free agent since Idra during Gamescom 2010. So incontrol would be relagated to 3rd string? Ok joking aside. EG has a strong Prottos (HUK) it doesnt need another one. Liquid.... Well it was laking in P department but with Hero Naniwa isnt needed... Col. Tried getting Stephano (aparently failed), picking Naniwa would be wise for them cause their rooster is several lacking of some good and well knows players. FXO. Boss stated that they arent interested. Mouz... MaNa, HasuObs... Do we really need another protoss? New team... All the teamless foreigners in korea create a new super team  | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:28 decaf wrote: There are many koreans that are much better. Aren't they getting more than him? So they should have the financial requirements? Theres like 8 players in korea obtaining a salary. | ||
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
Wait, here it is: On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote: funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; ) Yea, I can see him joining coL for the money, not that anything is wrong with that. He will have access to Korea and practice with Koreans in MVP house. Win/Win situation for both parties imo (col/nani). | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
Well, I think there is some reasonable conclusions one might draw, f. example it will probably be a korean team, aaand beyond that we don't know ^^ | ||
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FinnGamer
Germany2426 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:31 Chromodoris wrote: He said that he should stay in the oGs-TL house, read it again. He gets to live with Jinro, MC and HuK and alot of good terrans (TOP and supernova). Maybe that clears it up for you. i meant Jinro; MC and HerO. HuK is not in OGS-TL house anymore is he? or at least he'll leave once the EG house is done | ||
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latan
740 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:30 Flaccid wrote: Naniwa is one of the few guys who comes across as the type who would choose whatever situation allows him the greatest amount of success and improvement in SC2 vs. that situation which would afford him the greatest financial gain. He just doesn't seem like a guy who would be happy going to a sub-par training situation for a few dollars more. I think it's reasonable to expect he goes with something that allows him to stay in Korea and train like an animal. Yes everything he's said in every interview over the past 8 months or so would indicate that.. I really expect him to go for a great practice environment aka a korean house, be it with a foreign team or not. | ||
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United States1070 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3669 Posts
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United States278 Posts
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United States97 Posts
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Romania216 Posts
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cYaN
Norway3322 Posts
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Shilliwippen
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Grettin
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On September 21 2011 00:32 PlaGuE_R wrote: i meant Jinro; MC and HerO. HuK is not in OGS-TL house anymore is he? or at least he'll leave once the EG house is done Yeap, i got it now. As i said, i read your post completely wrong, sorry about that. rofl I'm not sure if HuK is still living there, about his tweets after HerO match, i think he is, but not sure. | ||
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Glurkenspurk
United States1915 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:33 ElusoryX wrote: definitely joining a korean team. ST_NaniWa for sure. He said he doesn't like ST's style of "practice whenever you want" | ||
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:30 ceaRshaf wrote: Well Naniwa does have the EG required attitude so he will fit there nicely. please no, i don't want him to stop winning | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:31 Frankon wrote: So incontrol would be relagated to 3rd string? Ok joking aside. EG has a strong Prottos (HUK) it doesnt need another one. Liquid.... Well it was laking in P department but with Hero Naniwa isnt needed... Col. Tried getting Stephano (aparently failed), picking Naniwa would be wise for them cause their rooster is several lacking of some good and well knows players. FXO. Boss stated that they arent interested. Mouz... MaNa, HasuObs... Do we really need another protoss? New team... All the teamless foreigners in korea create a new super team umm from what FXO.Boss posted I actually got the opinion they didnt come to an agreement not that they didnt want him | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
It sucks that protoss are on such a downswing because it might delay another team picking up a stellar player like Naniwa. Best of luck to him, with a new team and during his continued stay in Korea! | ||
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n00b3rt
Bulgaria890 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:34 cYaN wrote: That's a bit sad. gl to both dignitas and naniwa. Hopefully dignitas manages to pick up someone good to replace him. I hear stephano is between contracts. lol. I'd love it if he signs a third contract <3 | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
I could see Fnatic looking toward a Team House in Korea, especially with their Korean "B-Team" and NaNiWa could stay there as well. I don't think there are any Korean teams that can afford to send him to all the foreign events he wants to attend, but who knows, if he makes the Ro16, he could take an offer from a Korean team and really dedicate himself to the GSL. Huge shocker to me this morning, as with + Show Spoiler + SjoW and SeleCT making it to the Ro16, and NaNiWa poised to do the same coL.MVP might not be bad as well, especially if they sign him to the MVP side rather than the coL side. Regardless of where he ends up, best of luck to NaNiWa, and best of luck to Team Dignitas in the future. | ||
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McDutch
Netherlands184 Posts
almost 100% sure it will be a korean team though =) | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
I can see this going 2 ways. Either all the top players wages get inflated, like what happens in Football when a team like Manchester City starts splashing the cash, or only a few teams can support the new wages, which leaves a multiple tiered system where the best players are on a few teams. Tbh I'm not sure the 2nd system will make ESPORTS at all sustainable in the long run, but if teams can't afford the new wages that is what's going to happen. I don't know how many teams can actually afford the sort of wages that Naniwa is probably looking for. EG can, but I'm not sure they'll want him since they just picked up Huk, Mouz might be able to, they're pretty big, but I doubt any of their current players are paid close to what Naniwa would look for, and Complexity probably can too. I'm not sure who else there is. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Huk was in Code S when he was acquired, Naniwa hasn't proven he can stay in Code A yet. If he manages to win his Ro32 Code A match, I think teams will be less hesitant to recruit him. | ||
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Mekare
Germany393 Posts
Well, good luck to everybody involved, I guess... I'm sure NaNi will do fine and find another good team, and I'm interested to see if Dignitas picks up another Toss to take NaNis place (not that that's really possible imo... NaNi is just one of a kind). | ||
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:35 Lysanias wrote: IM was actualy talking to a foreigner right, might be Naniwa in the end then. Figured it would be SaSe, i think he will pick a korean team or atleast a team that wants him to stay in Korea, IMFenix, nuf said | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:37 VirgilSC2 wrote: I didn't read every post, but I'm really surprised that nobody mentioned Fnatic. I could see Fnatic looking toward a Team House in Korea, especially with their Korean "B-Team" and NaNiWa could stay there as well. I don't think there are any Korean teams that can afford to send him to all the foreign events he wants to attend, but who knows, if he makes the Ro16, he could take an offer from a Korean team and really dedicate himself to the GSL. Huge shocker to me this morning, as with + Show Spoiler + SjoW and SeleCT making it to the Ro16, and NaNiWa poised to do the same coL.MVP might not be bad as well, especially if they sign him to the MVP side rather than the coL side. Regardless of where he ends up, best of luck to NaNiWa, and best of luck to Team Dignitas in the future. people did mention fnatic. the only foreign team that he could possibly sign with that wasn't mentioned was Reign, but they are probably the least likely of all the foreign teams. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
Would be kinda cool tbh | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:35 Tommylew wrote: umm from what FXO.Boss posted I actually got the opinion they didnt come to an agreement not that they didnt want him Nm you are right. | ||
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Noorgrin
Germany116 Posts
GL anyways! | ||
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eNtitY~
United States1293 Posts
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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ReaperX
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Akilleus
Sweden82 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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On September 21 2011 00:34 Odal wrote: He said he doesn't like ST's style of "practice whenever you want" Oh, that explains why Fruitdealer and Tester landed there... and I hoped that they became a little bit more enthusiastic about their training... <.< | ||
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:39 ReaperX wrote: Woah， this makes the situation with SaSe really awesome ! What do you mean? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10614 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:37 Zzoram wrote: Naniwa is not worth what Huk is worth, at least not yet. Huk was in Code S when he was acquired, Naniwa hasn't proven he can stay in Code A yet. If he manages to win his Ro32 Code A match, I think teams will be less hesitant to recruit him. The main diffrence is probably that Huk is "fun" and Naniwa "not" (he's like the embodiment of "serious" :p). Just look at Idra... He's most probably still worth as much as Huk (if not more), just because he brings tons of entertainment/fans. | ||
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Azurues
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
with HuK signing a big deal and Naniwa not far behind, it makes Sase's future deal that much bigger. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:41 zeru wrote: Wonder if thorzain maybe put in a good word for him in the slayers house. The teams im thinking of are definitely Slayers, IM or coL.MVP. He said he didn't like the way ST was ran. I just really hope it isn't EG. If he joins SlayerS he will never play Protoss again, lol. | ||
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United Kingdom1190 Posts
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:40 CptGrackSparrow wrote: with HuK signing a big deal and Naniwa not far behind, it makes Sase's future deal that much bigger. Ah... The thing is that i believe in Sase has well but ......he is yet to show good results | ||
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michielbrands
Netherlands1146 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
naniwa has the talent and dedication to make it big, gl to finding the right team. | ||
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Juanald
United States354 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:38 Gotmog wrote: Wish it is EG.... They need a Protoss of that level for Puma/Idra definitely. dont count out Incontrol and Axslave theyve both been practicing in the EG house there gonna turn some heads next event you heard it hear first. | ||
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LiGhtoftheSwaRm
United States39 Posts
I have tremendous respect for Naniwa as a player, but he just doesn't seem to care about much of anything besides winning tournaments. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it will certainly effect his surroundings and future opportunities. Best of luck to him either way. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
Hopefully he goes to a KR team to get the practice he wants though, gonna miss Dignitas' killer lineup of Nani Select Sjow | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:42 Dac wrote: Ah... The thing is that i believe in Sase has well but ......he is yet to show good results he wont make HuK/Naniwa money, but if he were to make 15k a year before this, he may make 20k now. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
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United States170 Posts
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:42 GrungyMunchy wrote: If he joins SlayerS he will never play Protoss again, lol. 1-1-1 Inc. Man, I'm already feeling bad for SlayerSNani. | ||
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Skuller
United States197 Posts
Dignitas certainly has a wealth of great players, Sjow's a brilliant tactician and SeleCT has insane control. They will certainly be one of the strongest foreigner lineups. Naniwa has the heart and resolve of a champion. Hopefully he finds a team that best suits his goals/methods. Will be looking forward for news about both in the future. | ||
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ticktack
United Arab Emirates874 Posts
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FunnyPicture
Sweden147 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.cadred.org/Images/Articles/a742dc6e7ec94a5be34316d1d2bd3ff7.jpg) Just like old times! | ||
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
Could be that he might join a Korean team? | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
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Mcleod21
Jamaica29 Posts
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petu
Finland81 Posts
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Brazil268 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
If Dignitas isn't renewing, then he must be expecting more money elsewhere. Probably means he's got something lined up... EG and coL are both shopping hardcore, But for EG in particular, there does come a point where you've got enough foreign stars, and there's diminishing returns on adding to it. Reign could be an option, or FXO, who is trying to get a really strong presence but actually doesn't have a huge foreign star by a lot of people's standards. I can't see him really joining a Korean team, and I don't know what other options there are. I'm really surprised Dignitas let him go, as he really is their chief asset, even more so than SeleCT imo. If it was at all possible to match whatever offer he wanted ,they probably should have done it...but I'm thinking this might somehow be connected to Dignitas not going to MLG as well? I'm sure we'll find out very soon, it'll be something cool I bet either way. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:42 LiGhtoftheSwaRm wrote: Naniwa strikes me as a player, even unlike IdrA, that has a totally callous attitude towards the community as a whole, and I could see such an attitude leaking into his interactions with other players/management and his own team. I highly doubt a team like EG or Liquid would pick him up for these reasons alone, and if I had to guess if he doesn't sign with a team like coL or Fnatic, he will likely go teamless for a short period of time before being picked up by another European team (maybe mouz or mym.) I have tremendous respect for Naniwa as a player, but he just doesn't seem to care about much of anything besides winning tournaments. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it will certainly effect his surroundings and future opportunities. Best of luck to him either way. your opinion seems to be dated to pre-Dallas/Dignitas naniwa, back when he was at a very tough time in his life and was pretty angry all the time. having watched two episodes of SotG with nani, i can say he doesnt seem to be like that at all, I think he is incredibly dedicated to winning and if a team is going to give him that oppurtinity then he will likely join them. hes been very manner for a long time now and he seems like a really nice guy, so i think Liquid could be a nice fit for him. I mean Liquid had HuK, and he was/is way more BM then naniwa is right now (although HuK BMs in a cute funny way) | ||
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DexVitality
Hong Kong234 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:38 Gotmog wrote: Wish it is EG.... They need a Protoss of that level for Puma/Idra definitely. Yeah it's not like they have anybody with top 3 control or anything. Someone mentioned SlayerS, and I would imagine that would be a really poor decision, since they're primarily terran. Naniwa should go to TL, just for the oGs-TL house, since they have a really strong style of protoss. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:43 carloselcoco wrote: If he is picked up by EG that would just be too funny due to his rivalry w/ HuK xD Same was told when the rumos about Huk joining EG was speculated all over TL and Reddit xD | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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manloveman
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On September 21 2011 00:45 petu wrote: I don't think this about the money at all. Naniwa has said over and over again that only thing he cares about is becoming the best, and to become that he needs best practice possible. I can see him going to TL, FXO, maybe EG with the future EG-korea house or join korean team. This. Hasnt he been struggleling to find a stable pro-house in korea. I think that is more important to him, than actual money, judging from his general attitude. | ||
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KinQuh
Finland810 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:42 Juanald wrote: dont count out Incontrol and Axslave theyve both been practicing in the EG house there gonna turn some heads next event you heard it hear first. talking about EG protoss and you dont mention Huk? They already have 1/1/1 in korea but I guess Naniwa would be a great addition. | ||
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zeru
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38149 Posts
col definitely seem like they have the clout to do something here, particularly given Nani is in the MVP house now. Long shot option might be SK. | ||
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ravemir
Portugal595 Posts
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TimeFlighT
Australia257 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:47 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Why do people say a korean team is gonna pick him up? No korean team has nearly enough money. Stop saying that. He is not gonna play for food and shelter alone... what about IMFenix? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:48 zeru wrote: I don't think it's about money. I think he wants the best practice environment over money. Yup. You don't go to Korea because their standard of living is so cheap. | ||
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Tomcattomato
Netherlands95 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:47 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Why do people say a korean team is gonna pick him up? No korean team has nearly enough money. Stop saying that. He is not gonna play for food and shelter alone... Judging by his interviews where he hammers on the fact that he would do anything to become the best SC2 player in the world, I could definitely see Naniwa doing just this. | ||
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parazice
Thailand5517 Posts
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
Confusion sucks, so the obvious bet is on the first. Damn you, secretive.NaNiWa. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
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HolydaKing
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DailYLeet
Germany827 Posts
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Kaizoku
Sweden96 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:46 -Archangel- wrote: If he joins Slayers he can practice against best Terran players, joining MvP he can play against best Zerg players, joining IM against best Terran and Zerg players :D Heard IM had this guy MVP supposed to be a good terran but not sure. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:49 Tomcattomato wrote: Judging by his interviews where he hammers on the fact that he would do anything to become the best SC2 player in the world, I could definitely see Naniwa doing just this. I don't think he will. He is a very proud person and pretty well known in the scene. He is gonna play without a salary for food and shelter alone while other foreigners who are far less accomplished get payed and sponsored? | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9012 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:52 GrungyMunchy wrote: I'd say Liquid`Naniwa though I can see Nazgul not wanting to sign him. Other than that I think it would be the best deal for him. o.o Why wouldn't he want to sign him? For the most part, he's just really really really passionate about winning. And he gets access to MC and HerO if he joins~ | ||
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United Kingdom6921 Posts
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:52 GrungyMunchy wrote: I'd say Liquid`Naniwa though I can see Nazgul not wanting to sign him. Other than that I think it would be the best deal for him. stop saying that!! This isnt the same BM Naniwa!! Go on Naz, pleaseeee i want my favorite protoss in TL *__* | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
No players at the next MLG ? And, they didn't say that Naniwa decided to leave, but that they din't make him the offer a consecutive contract. | ||
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Fighter
Korea (South)1531 Posts
Naniwa, which team must I be a fan of now??? I'm guessing some Korean team, though if it were EG.... that would just cement it. I would practically HAVE to be an EG fan then. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:52 Gamegene wrote: o.o Why wouldn't he want to sign him? For the most part, he's just really really really passionate about winning. Liquid usually is very strict in signing players regarding their personality and value to the community. Though Naniwa is undoubtely a great player, I don't know if he fits Liquid profile. I'm not saying he's BM or anything people, I know he's not. I just think Liquid players usually have a great involvement in the community and believe it or not I really think that is very important for TL when they're looking for a player. | ||
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Denmark64 Posts
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obnoxkid
United States23 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:54 GrungyMunchy wrote: Liquid usually is very strict in signing players regarding their personality and value to the community. Though Naniwa is undoubtely a great player, I don't know if he fits Liquid profile. People said the same thing about HuK. Naz gave him a chance and we found out he just has a really raw heart. Think Naniwa does too. | ||
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Korea (South)195 Posts
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China6327 Posts
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:54 GrungyMunchy wrote: Liquid usually is very strict in signing players regarding their personality and value to the community. Though Naniwa is undoubtely a great player, I don't know if he fits Liquid profile. If Liquid couldn't afford to keep Huk why do you think they will be able to afford Naniwa? | ||
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United States443 Posts
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:52 Gamegene wrote: o.o Why wouldn't he want to sign him? For the most part, he's just really really really passionate about winning. And he gets access to MC and HerO if he joins~ I imagine Nazgul looks for strong players with good personality. And Naniwa is just to volitile in terms of personality. As mentioned before i felt that naniwa fit in in Dignitas, its too bad really. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
However he isn't going to want to undersell himself, which is why I think he turned down FXO. To me this leaves Liquid, EG or Complexity. Now I'm not sure Liquid or EG would want him, EG because they have Huk and Liquid because they possibly can't afford him, and he does have a bit of a reputation, even if that's a bit of an outdated reputation and partly caused by the language and culture difference (Naniwa always seems to get along well with Swedes). To me this leaves Complexity. And to further reinforce my view that this is where he's going, he is currently living in the MvP house. *Puts down pipe* | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:54 GrungyMunchy wrote: Liquid usually is very strict in signing players regarding their personality and value to the community. Though Naniwa is undoubtely a great player, I don't know if he fits Liquid profile. troll?? have you ever heard Nani speak? ever? he has like the most awesome personality, watch SotG episode 41, hes hilarious, look at the DH Valencia picture, he has a great sense of humour; look at Thorzain and naniwa TL attacks. nani would be an AWESOME addition to TL. hey, hey, Nazgul...MOAR SWEDES PLZ :D lol | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:55 Blasphemi wrote: If Liquid couldn't afford to keep Huk why do you think they will be able to afford Naniwa? Because I don't think Naniwa is parting ways with Dignitas because of the money. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:56 PlaGuE_R wrote: troll?? have you ever heard Nani speak? ever? he has like the most awesome personality, watch SotG episode 41, hes hilarious, look at the DH Valencia picture, he has a great sense of humour; look at Thorzain and naniwa TL attacks. nani would be an AWESOME addition to TL. hey, hey, Nazgul...MOAR SWEDES PLZ :D lol Wtf stop dropping the "troll" argument every time someone says something you people don't agree with. Also read my edit to the post you quoted. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:56 Eufouria wrote: The more I think about it, the more I can see Naniwa going to live in a Korean pro-gaming house. This means either a Korean team, or a team with a partnership with a Korean team so he can have a stable practice environment. However he isn't going to want to undersell himself, which is why I think he turned down FXO. To me this leaves Liquid, EG or Complexity. Now I'm not sure Liquid or EG would want him, EG because they have Huk and Liquid because they possibly can't afford him, and he does have a bit of a reputation, even if that's a bit of an outdated reputation and partly caused by the language and culture difference (Naniwa always seems to get along well with Swedes). To me this leaves Complexity. And to further reinforce my view that this is where he's going, he is currently living in the MvP house. *Puts down pipe* look at Jinro, nicest guy in the world, he swears so much, remember the group ceremony? Naniwa is basically like Jinro in many ways, incredibly dedicated, funny, swedish(lol) so why wouldnt he fit in TL? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:55 Blasphemi wrote: If Liquid couldn't afford to keep Huk why do you think they will be able to afford Naniwa? Liquid couldn't afford to match EG's offer. | ||
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chaPeL
Germany33 Posts
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MonDeW
Denmark369 Posts
I wish you the best of luck in the future Naniwa, as you are one of my favorite protosses <3 | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:56 PlaGuE_R wrote: troll?? have you ever heard Nani speak? ever? he has like the most awesome personality, watch SotG episode 41, hes hilarious, look at the DH Valencia picture, he has a great sense of humour; look at Thorzain and naniwa TL attacks. nani would be an AWESOME addition to TL. hey, hey, Nazgul...MOAR SWEDES PLZ :D lol Umm... Not showing up to TSL Finals party after losing to Thorzain Complaining about close map position at EU Blizzcon Qualifiers after losing to Ret (and going "hehe" when he scouts the close pos) And those are the recent ones when he was part of Dignitas (not even the ones long before). Just because he's hilarious (just like Idra) doesn't mean he's BM and a bad fit for TL. Also if they were gonna shell out the money for Nani they would've just found a way to keep HuK, I'm pretty sure Naniwa is going to command a salary at a comparable level. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:51 AntiGrav1ty wrote: I don't think he will. He is a very proud person and pretty well known in the scene. He is gonna play without a salary for food and shelter alone while other foreigners who are far less accomplished get payed and sponsored? "If I'm not the best, then I have no reason to play" Paraphrased. He says that all the time in interviews. | ||
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Canada1241 Posts
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clayn
Germany444 Posts
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KingVietKong
United States170 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:56 Dac wrote: I imagine Nazgul looks for strong players with good personality. And Naniwa is just to volitile in terms of personality. As mentioned before i felt that naniwa fit in in Dignitas, its too bad really. I really don't think Nani is all that volatile as far as his public personality goes. Maybe he's nuts behind the scenes but that's impossible to say. I still don't think Liquid is looking to sign more players at the moment and that this whole conversation is kind of moot, but I don't think Nani's personality is particularly against Liquid's principles. | ||
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R3N
740 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:59 FairForever wrote: Umm... Not showing up to TSL Finals party after losing to Thorzain Complaining about close map position at EU Blizzcon Qualifiers after losing to Ret (and going "hehe" when he scouts the close pos) And those are the recent ones when he was part of Dignitas (not even the ones long before). Just because he's hilarious (just like Idra) doesn't mean he's BM and a bad fit for TL. Also if they were gonna shell out the money for Nani they would've just found a way to keep HuK, I'm pretty sure Naniwa is going to command a salary at a comparable level. Wat. Protoss dislike close positions against zerg? Oh my, you learn new things everyday... | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:59 FairForever wrote: Umm... Not showing up to TSL Finals party after losing to Thorzain Complaining about close map position at EU Blizzcon Qualifiers after losing to Ret (and going "hehe" when he scouts the close pos) And those are the recent ones when he was part of Dignitas (not even the ones long before). Just because he's hilarious (just like Idra) doesn't mean he's BM and a bad fit for TL. Also if they were gonna shell out the money for Nani they would've just found a way to keep HuK, I'm pretty sure Naniwa is going to command a salary at a comparable level. im not saying he's BM at all, close positions on shattered temple is ridiculous, not going to the party after getting 2nd place, maybe he was sad? disappointed? tired? hes not BM, and i honestly think hed take a regular salary for a chance to train in a good pro house in kore (OGS-TL) since he wants to be the best above all else. he is always mad at himself when he takes 2nd, THATS how dedicated he is to this game | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:56 PlaGuE_R wrote: troll?? have you ever heard Nani speak? ever? he has like the most awesome personality, watch SotG episode 41, hes hilarious, look at the DH Valencia picture, he has a great sense of humour; look at Thorzain and naniwa TL attacks. nani would be an AWESOME addition to TL. hey, hey, Nazgul...MOAR SWEDES PLZ :D lol This is some quality posting. And judging someone off "pictures" and 1 stog isnt very much to go by. | ||
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whiteLotus
1833 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:00 CanucksJC wrote: If NaNiwa joins EG, I'm gonna be really really really REALLY mad. Hope he joins a Korean team instead. So you want him to join korean team and not go to any lans? Because korean teams doesnt realy send any players anywhere, and if they would why send foreigners on your team lol | ||
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Morale
Sweden1010 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
Other than that, Liquid can use another strong Protoss (sorry Tyler!), so it may be a possibility. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
But on a more serious note he has to be joining a Korean team now, only thing that sounds sensible, maybe ST or IM. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16053 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
col is a very obvious possibility of course after they showed they have some money to spend. Korean team would be nice but as FXOBoss stated most koreans teams dont have that much money as many people think. Not enough to pay Naniwa and send him to various foreign events. | ||
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BlueFlames
Germany1756 Posts
To the people saying he will join a korean team. It would have to be the perfect team for him, because otherwise it would be a really large monetary risk. SC2 is growing fast, but we sadly still dont know how long it can survive, or how long a SC2 player can stay competetive in an enviroment with new talents coming up every other week. Its still very new so there are no previous expiriences. So if he would get a nice deal like HuK i think it would be natural to take the money and be able to plan the future with a little bit less pressure. Lets face it, winning a GSL gives you a lot of money, but other tournaments still lack behind in prizemoney and with the recent partnerships, the competition outside korea is not significantly lower when it comes to the top 5 placings. A fixed salary higher than a korean team could pay + the possible prizemoney seems almost to good to pass up. And if he could get on a team like EG or coL the practice would not be that much worse. As long as he doesn`t join a team like SK everything should work dandy :-) Well unless he joins Slayers, where Jessica would bitchslap anybody who says something mean about him, you cant count the worth of that in money to be honest :-p All the best to you Nani. I will be cheering and anticipating your awkward interviews :-) | ||
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
I hope he joins a korean team, he has a lot of potential to be way better than he is now | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:04 Vindicare605 wrote: My guess is FXO will pick him up. On September 21 2011 00:09 FXOpen wrote: We have spoken to NaNiWa and we will not be recruiting him. Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:02 Apollo_Shards wrote: This is some quality posting. And judging someone off "pictures" and 1 stog isnt very much to go by. im judging him off his playstyle, his attitude, his twitter, his interviews, his SotG appearances, his TL attack appearances, his results, his pictures, his posts on TL. what more do you want? | ||
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
Nevertheless, I'm hoping he joins a strong korean team. | ||
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Karakaxe
Sweden585 Posts
It's not like the korean teams got that kind of money. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:02 PlaGuE_R wrote: im not saying he's BM at all, close positions on shattered temple is ridiculous, not going to the party after getting 2nd place, maybe he was sad? disappointed? tired? hes not BM, and i honestly think hed take a regular salary for a chance to train in a good pro house in kore (OGS-TL) since he wants to be the best above all else. he is always mad at himself when he takes 2nd, THATS how dedicated he is to this game Uhh he was pretty BM before (do you have short memory?). He's an exceptional player but that doesn't mean he's a good fit for TL. | ||
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TheLetterQ
United States65 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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BoomNasty
United States265 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:04 Vindicare605 wrote: My guess is FXO will pick him up. FXO already said they wont pick him up, its in this thread in the first several pages | ||
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:01 zeru wrote: I feel the same way. It would just suck if he joined EG Contradicting most of his previous statements about how he only cares about being the best.LOL he would not be contradicing himself if he joins EG. puma huk idra nani in korean house on korean ladder. | ||
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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xSixGeneralHan
United States528 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Nani went to EG. And whoever said Koreans won't take him because of his BM, where have you been for the past 6 months? | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:06 FairForever wrote: Uhh he was pretty BM before (do you have short memory?). He's an exceptional player but that doesn't mean he's a good fit for TL. people CHANGE, he was bm a long time ago when he was hitting a very rough patch in his life, he said in an interview that he was angry and depressed at life and took it out on his opponents and that he realized that that was the wrong thing to do and that he would behave properly now because of the chances he was given by both Empire and Dignitas User was warned for this post | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:04 Vindicare605 wrote: My guess is FXO will pick him up. FXO already said on Page 2 that they wouldn't sign him. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:02 PlaGuE_R wrote: im not saying he's BM at all, close positions on shattered temple is ridiculous, not going to the party after getting 2nd place, maybe he was sad? disappointed? tired? hes not BM, and i honestly think hed take a regular salary for a chance to train in a good pro house in kore (OGS-TL) since he wants to be the best above all else. he is always mad at himself when he takes 2nd, THATS how dedicated he is to this game Look, the point I was trying to make was that TL would be the best deal for Naniwa in terms of practice conditions, however I don't think TL wants to pick him up. You don't need to break a sweat over your wishful thinking, I too would like to see Naniwa in Liquid the most but I just don't see it happen. | ||
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Bonkarooni
United States383 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:07 VPGeneralHans wrote: Im sure he's joining the Korean team he said he's moving into a team house with. that's very exciting for him. Congrats VPNaniwa? | ||
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Hodgy
United States64 Posts
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zeru
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Dac
Canada538 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:01 KingVietKong wrote: I really don't think Nani is all that volatile as far as his public personality goes. Maybe he's nuts behind the scenes but that's impossible to say. I still don't think Liquid is looking to sign more players at the moment and that this whole conversation is kind of moot, but I don't think Nani's personality is particularly against Liquid's principles. You are right, about liquid not wanting to pick up at this point... but to add to the argument maybe volatile is the wrong word, it comes down to team dynamic, and i feel that liquid wants a good one... | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:08 PlaGuE_R wrote: people CHANGE, he was bm a long time ago when he was hitting a very rough patch in his life, he said in an interview that he was angry and depressed at life and took it out on his opponents and that he realized that that was the wrong thing to do and that he would behave properly now because of the chances he was given by both Empire and Dignitas You really don't understand the point. The fact is he has a history that precedes him. You're crazy if you think TL would want to pick up an expensive player like Naniwa, when they just let a better player (who also isn't nearly as BM) go. I could see him going to other teams but not TL. | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:08 FairForever wrote: OR would they? Think about that!FXO already said on Page 1 that they wouldn't sign him. | ||
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cOoLiD
Canada168 Posts
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VillageBC
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Frostler
United States41 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:10 VillageBC wrote: Team Reign? They have a team house on the way, and ign(?) backing I believe. Might be too big a salary for them though. Assuming he wants money similar to players of his calibre, that kind of limits his team options to the big guys with money. EG, FXO(already said no), TL(?), coL, fnatic, mouz, mill(?). The Team House is in San Francisco I believe. How does this help Nani who wants to stay in Korea? | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:09 FairForever wrote: You really don't understand the point. The fact is he has a history that precedes him. You're crazy if you think TL would want to pick up an expensive player like Naniwa, when they just let a better player (who also isn't nearly as BM) go. I could see him going to other teams but not TL. lol, HuK had a bm history that preceded him as well. And they let a better player (who WAS nearly as BM as Naniwa WAS) go because EG's deal was quite a bit sweeter. | ||
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OminouS
Sweden1343 Posts
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:09 DFDream wrote: Am I really the first one? ZENEXNani? Considering how Zenex has like no sponsors and couldn't even afford to keep Puzzle and Coca, I doubt they'd be able to afford Nani to be honest. | ||
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thenextnight
Canada23 Posts
Naniwa to Korea!! ...O wait | ||
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Nifel
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Bladgrim
Canada179 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:08 Hodgy wrote: Naniwa and Polt should start a team Throw in San as well. I'm going with Naniwa to coLMVP, Polt to a foreign team (going to get less than Naniwa), and San forever teamless until he gets back into the GSL and destroys everyone. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:09 FairForever wrote: You really don't understand the point. The fact is he has a history that precedes him. You're crazy if you think TL would want to pick up an expensive player like Naniwa, when they just let a better player (who also isn't nearly as BM) go. I could see him going to other teams but not TL. they didnt let HuK go, HuK's contract was expiring, HuK decided not to resign the contract with Liquid, Liquid reluctantly agreed to let EG buy off the last few months of the HuK contract. also, lots of people have a history, DIMAGA and (i think) Brat_OK cheated in TSL2 qualifiers and were banned from TSL3, does that mean we should trash them and hate them? history is pointless, we've seen Naniwa evolve as both a player and a person, hes become more mature, he hasnt BMed anyone in months, just because he was BM back when his life was going bad doesnt mean hes going to be BM any time in the future | ||
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Iron.Fist
Brazil268 Posts
Looks like EG/coL MVP. I think he really wants to be the best like he said on interviews but I have a feeling he wants to keep going to MLG and Dreamhack (among other tournaments outside Korea) and stay at Korea to improve. So maybe Dignitas wasn't able to afford all of that cause he seemed to enjoy playing for Dignitas. | ||
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Jomz
United Kingdom117 Posts
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falafelnr1
Sweden444 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:08 PlaGuE_R wrote: people CHANGE, he was bm a long time ago when he was hitting a very rough patch in his life, he said in an interview that he was angry and depressed at life and took it out on his opponents and that he realized that that was the wrong thing to do and that he would behave properly now because of the chances he was given by both Empire and Dignitas User was warned for this post Why was this guy warned ? :/ | ||
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babybell
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
yea but they practice on the ladder so wont make that much of a difference | ||
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Aldin_D2x
Canada55 Posts
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iSTime
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
You despise EG, we get it. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:58 PlaGuE_R wrote: look at Jinro, nicest guy in the world, he swears so much, remember the group ceremony? Naniwa is basically like Jinro in many ways, incredibly dedicated, funny, swedish(lol) so why wouldnt he fit in TL? I'm not saying he wouldn't fit in, just that he might not be that marketable, considering Liquid's reputation. I don't doubt that Naniwa is a nice guy, when I've seen him on SotG and TLattack I thought he was really funny, but I'm not sure he cares that much about what team he is in. He wants to be the best player in the world, and I'm not sure his team factors too much into that (aside from what they provide him what he feels he needs to become the best). | ||
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Kharne
United Kingdom114 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:42 LiGhtoftheSwaRm wrote: Naniwa strikes me as a player, even unlike IdrA, that has a totally callous attitude towards the community as a whole, and I could see such an attitude leaking into his interactions with other players/management and his own team. I highly doubt a team like EG or Liquid would pick him up for these reasons alone, and if I had to guess if he doesn't sign with a team like coL or Fnatic, he will likely go teamless for a short period of time before being picked up by another European team (maybe mouz or mym.) I have tremendous respect for Naniwa as a player, but he just doesn't seem to care about much of anything besides winning tournaments. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but it will certainly effect his surroundings and future opportunities. Best of luck to him either way. Naniwa has a lot of fans, I think people really like that sheer determination in him. That's his appeal, it works and it's kind of unique. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
Um you think that what the guy said isn't true? Because it is. | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
Anyway for me, Dignitas without Nani won't look as it was before... If not Select and Nani I don't realize how it could have been... T_T GOGO NANI! | ||
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Strike_
Netherlands704 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
curious too. does anyone remember carmac talking about some big changes in the future? like regarding a top european? )) | ||
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SoapSC
Netherlands112 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:13 Abrafred wrote: NSHoseoNaniwa lol.. most improbable scenario ever NSHoseo isn't a team, its a clan with players who are able to participate in team leagues without leaving their team | ||
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zeru
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:10 Gamegene wrote: lol, HuK had a bm history that preceded him as well. And they let a better player (who WAS nearly as BM as Naniwa WAS) go because EG's deal was quite a bit sweeter. Not nearly as bad, I'd consider HuK a lot less BM although he hasn't always acted in the smartest way (though I wouldn't call it BM). He was also a contributor to the community and I can't see Naniwa being that. I think TL is going in the direction of signing players with good reputation in the community and with a lot of skill (see: Sheth). And HuK would've stayed on TL had TL offered him similar money, or I believe so (from what TL has said). What makes you think TL can offer Naniwa the salary he wants if they couldn't afford to keep HuK? | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
I hope he finds a new team! | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:16 SoapSC wrote: NSHoseo isn't a team, its a clan with players who are able to participate in team leagues without leaving their team I'm pretty sure it's a team who actually live together, Artosis did a tour of their team house a while back. | ||
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fuzzayy
United States99 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
He might despise EG, but he's right | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:13 Whiteman103 wrote: yea but they practice on the ladder so wont make that much of a difference Having concentrated training sessions, and talking with a specific person is much more productive than hitting the ladder and hoping you get placed against a pro, who may or may not be taking the ladder seriously. You can prepare for specific matchups, maps, builds, etc. when you're playing with teammates. That's why pros have houses in the first place; if they could all be as effective just playing on the ladder, then there would be no reason to put them all in the same location, right? Anyway, everyone has a price. Nani could get picked up by EG, if they reach his selling point, regardless of previous statements. | ||
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SoapSC
Netherlands112 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:18 ZAiNs wrote: I'm pretty sure it's a team who actually live together, Artosis did a tour of their team house a while back. Oops, mixed it up with NSP. You are right | ||
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peekn
United States1152 Posts
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:16 SoapSC wrote: NSHoseo isn't a team, its a clan with players who are able to participate in team leagues without leaving their team No it's a proper team. It's clans are I believe NSP and a few remants of Zenith. | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
edit: although they have hero now... | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
fwiw, I would be pretty disappointed if naniwa joined eg as well.. EG couldn't possibly provide the same practice environment as a korean house, and it would really contradict this whole amazing attitude he's had for the past 8 or so months. I really doubt he'd even consider joining EG tbh. coL on the other hand would be perfectly understandable.. With coL he could have the benefit of living in a korean practice house, and get the salary he deserves plus the opportunity to travel to foreign events. | ||
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Swiftly
Iceland160 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:17 FairForever wrote: Not nearly as bad, I'd consider HuK a lot less BM although he hasn't always acted in the smartest way (though I wouldn't call it BM). He was also a contributor to the community and I can't see Naniwa being that. I think TL is going in the direction of signing players with good reputation in the community and with a lot of skill (see: Sheth). And HuK would've stayed on TL had TL offered him similar money, or I believe so (from what TL has said). What makes you think TL can offer Naniwa the salary he wants if they couldn't afford to keep HuK? ??? So I guess one level of BM is... acceptable as long as it isn't another level of... BM? And... what contributions...? girl blog posts...? And yeah that's the point i was making, TL couldn't match EG's offer. | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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Captain Peabody
United States3094 Posts
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:20 ishboh wrote: hmmm, mouz would make sense...maybe liquid is looking to replace Huk? edit: although they have hero now... Mouz doesn't make much sense. Why would he chose a team that have 0 players in Korea or plans of it (as far as I know)? | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
I honestly have no idea. Anyway, I hope a good team pick him up, he deserves as much. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:10 FairForever wrote: The Team House is in San Francisco I believe. How does this help Nani who wants to stay in Korea? Sometimes you can't always everything you want, sometimes you take the money. SlayerS still needs to bolster their non-Terran lineup IMO and apparently have decent funding. I don't think it would be EG, maybe but they already have an excellent Protoss in Huk (even if I think Naniwa is better) and I just can't see the sponsors shelling out for Idra, Huk, Puma and Naniwa. While not having details on the contracts, I assume are making decent money. | ||
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
the best for nani would probably be coL.MVP since he can stay in the MVP house and some players there can talk a decent english. think of DRG nani teaming up with genius.. what a dream! | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State733 Posts
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aut0mati0n
United States97 Posts
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Exsonic
China124 Posts
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
GOGOGOGO | ||
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Sweden1120 Posts
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ramon
Germany4842 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:18 ZAiNs wrote: I'm pretty sure it's a team who actually live together, Artosis did a tour of their team house a while back. NSHoSeo is a team NSP is a clan (Bomber, Genius, Jiakji come to mind) HoSeo is a University, which sponsors the team, some (if not most?) of the players are also studying there and only a few live in the house, which is in the university iirc really hope nani finds a good team that supports his attitude and enables him to live his dream, I could see him go to a korean team as well as TL/Col/Fnatic | ||
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
he might be right but there is not much of a difference with some practice games with korean team and communication issues and the korean ladder. with EG house in korea with puma, huk, idra. nani will have communication and the korean ladder yea nani will miss the little korean team practice. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:15 hifriend wrote: Naniwa has a lot of fans, I think people really like that sheer determination in him. That's his appeal, it works and it's kind of unique. Me too. NaNiwa is like a more determined and more talented version of HuK IMO. HuK talks big a lot but NaNiwa actually performs. Currently, he does seem to be in a bit of a mental slump regarding the state of Protoss though. | ||
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United Kingdom143 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:35 Tommylew wrote: umm from what FXO.Boss posted I actually got the opinion they didnt come to an agreement not that they didnt want him if they would really want him he would get him... remember Boss bought Fou. Buying Naniwa shouldnt be a problem if he really wanted him | ||
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Gnarfle
Sweden170 Posts
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Blossom
United Kingdom87 Posts
Best of luck to Naniwa. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Did anyone think that Nani would be willing to take a pay cut to stay in Korea? He wants to be the best, not the richest. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:17 FairForever wrote: Not nearly as bad, I'd consider HuK a lot less BM although he hasn't always acted in the smartest way (though I wouldn't call it BM). He was also a contributor to the community and I can't see Naniwa being that. I think TL is going in the direction of signing players with good reputation in the community and with a lot of skill (see: Sheth). And HuK would've stayed on TL had TL offered him similar money, or I believe so (from what TL has said). What makes you think TL can offer Naniwa the salary he wants if they couldn't afford to keep HuK? haypro = old maphacker huk = notorious douche in bw and early sc2 nony = same as above in his early bw days My guess is TL couldn't care less what stupid things these players did when they were younger if they have displayed good sportsmanship/attitude for a long time and if TL think they would fit in with their team. | ||
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slicknav
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:24 tyCe wrote: Me too. NaNiwa is like a more determined and more talented version of HuK IMO. HuK talks big a lot but NaNiwa actually performs. Currently, he does seem to be in a bit of a mental slump regarding the state of Protoss though. HuK is in Code S (and he also got seeded into Code A), while Naniwa hasn't even made it out of the RO32 in Code A. They're pretty close in skill level but I'm not sure how you can say Naniwa is more determined and/or talented when his results are not as impressive as HuK's... (in the GSL, DH Summer, HSC III, etc.) - Naniwa outperformed at Blizzcon Qualifiers but HuK was a quite a bit jetlagged, and both do pretty well at MLGs nowadays. | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:24 tyCe wrote: Me too. NaNiwa is like a more determined and more talented version of HuK IMO. HuK talks big a lot but NaNiwa actually performs. Currently, he does seem to be in a bit of a mental slump regarding the state of Protoss though. He will join MVP and therefore coL.MVP, then he will do what Guillaume Patry couldn't do: + Show Spoiler + Practice really hard. | ||
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ROOTIllusion
United States1060 Posts
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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Poland230 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
On August 10 2011 21:33 Heosat wrote: I apologise for overhyping the event, that was not my intention at all, but what I can say is this: it is the first item of a chain of news items. Liquid´Naniwa yeah :-) I see right through you Matt! | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:54 GrungyMunchy wrote: Liquid usually is very strict in signing players regarding their personality and value to the community. Though Naniwa is undoubtely a great player, I don't know if he fits Liquid profile. I'm not saying he's BM or anything people, I know he's not. I just think Liquid players usually have a great involvement in the community and believe it or not I really think that is very important for TL when they're looking for a player. Yet they have Ret and HayprO on their team who do no interaction with the community. Ret at least posts results. Tyler, TLO, and Sheth have all done community events and podcasts and stuff in addition to having a lot of fans and a few decent results. If TL can justify keeping HayprO, Naniwa would be a no brainer assuming they could afford him. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
He could just join a Korean team but that could limit his ability to travel due to financial constraints. | ||
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Madera
Sweden2672 Posts
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Eyx
England165 Posts
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
Dream team would be thorzain + naniwa + sase + morrow or something. Under which team I don't care :D | ||
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Bamm
Sweden279 Posts
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Benga
Korea (South)471 Posts
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:27 FairForever wrote: HuK is in Code S (and he also got seeded into Code A), while Naniwa hasn't even made it out of the RO32 in Code A. They're pretty close in skill level but I'm not sure how you can say Naniwa is more determined and/or talented when his results are not as impressive as HuK's... (in the GSL, DH Summer, HSC III, etc.) - Naniwa outperformed at Blizzcon Qualifiers but HuK was a quite a bit jetlagged, and both do pretty well at MLGs nowadays. Maybe we should give him a bit of time in korea before we make that judgement? I mean naniwa has been a step above every foreigner that hasn't been in korea for a considerable amount of time for a long time now. I still don't think huk is on a different level than naniwa at this point, and korean practice is undeniably superior to foreign practice on NA/EU. | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:23 Thobrik wrote: SaSe and Nani starting a brotoss only team together? Swedish brotoss in Korea Unite! Honestly knowing those two and how determined they are to remain in Korea it wouldn't surprise me if they remain teamless until they get the offers they want. Nani at blizzcon in casual wear would be kinda hilarious especially with everyone else stuffed into team uniforms. This announcement makes me super sad though, Naniwa just seemed like such a good fit with Dignitas and I really liked the synergy of the team as a whole. Ah well I still support Dignitas and Nani so I hope everyone comes out of this well off. | ||
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Striding Strider
United Kingdom787 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:33 Striding Strider wrote: His gonna join a Korean team. 100%. We could only hope this is true. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
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WhiteraCares
Sweden339 Posts
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Bladgrim
Canada179 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:33 Striding Strider wrote: His gonna join a Korean team. 100%. Or, more likely, I think, a foreign team with a partnership with a Korean team (Liquid/coL). | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:29 Zzoram wrote: Yet they have Ret and HayprO on their team who do no interaction with the community. Ret at least posts results. Tyler, TLO, and Sheth have all done community events and podcasts and stuff in addition to having a lot of fans and a few decent results. If TL can justify keeping HayprO, Naniwa would be a no brainer assuming they could afford him. Ret and Haypro were brought in more than a year ago and were part of a tight group in the form of TL which in order to stay tight I'm guessing Nazgul has been since then much more careful as to who they would bring to that group. It took TL a whole 10 months before they would bring in other players, and you can tell Sheth's and Hero's additions were very carefully planned and thought. They've raised their standards if you will. | ||
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unsaintly
Germany687 Posts
So either coL.MVP/TL or IM. Wherever he might end up, I hope he keeps his great mentality and doesn't fall back into his old behaviour. | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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NasKe_
Brazil570 Posts
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:28 crocodile wrote: Anyone else noticing a trend where foreign players convince their teams to let them go to Korea, then leave that team? ... What? Jinro - > Still TL HuK - > Was in Korea for a long time before going to EG Sheth - > Didn't like the Korean experience, switched to Liquid SaSe - > Won Road to Korea, no team support in that Fenix - > MLG invite, Fnatic didn't have to pay much of it (stay covered by MLG) ThorZain - > 1 month, still on Mouz SeleCT - > Same as Thorzain but with Dignitas SjoW - > Same as Select NaNiwa - > MLG invite, same as Fenix Fenix and NaNiwa wanted to stay for a long time in Korea but their teams either didn't have the financials to go ahead with it (plus travel to events), or didn't feel that it was in the sponsor's best interests. | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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gehgrfhgrh
Germany294 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:33 Striding Strider wrote: His gonna join a Korean team. 100%. No HE IS not. Korean teams have no money and NaNi woudn't leave Dignitas if it wasn't about the money. | ||
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motiust
Australia97 Posts
im srs! IM has no good Protoss however coL.MvP would be a lesser choice but still good one. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:38 ptrpb wrote: I believe Sheth said on SotG or something (maybe TL Attack?) that he actually wants to return to Korea, but he wants a place of his own. He said something like he wanted go go to his own place to sleep, wake up and chill. I might be totally wrong here, but I'm quite certain I heard him say something like that.Sheth - > Didn't like the Korean experience, switched to Liquid | ||
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mengsk83
Germany519 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:39 gehgrfhgrh wrote: No HE IS not. Korean teams have no money and NaNi woudn't leave Dignitas if it wasn't about the money. Its not the money. He wants to be the best, and frankly, he would have a better chance being the best by joining a Korean team, regardless of the EG house in Korea. | ||
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
Unless he really wants to focus on getting better, and not on the money. But even then EG seems a decent choice with their incoming house.. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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hTRen
Canada55 Posts
Regardless, best of luck to NaNi and Dignitas. NaNiwa hwaiting! Dignitas hwaiting! :D | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:39 gehgrfhgrh wrote: No HE IS not. Korean teams have no money and NaNi woudn't leave Dignitas if it wasn't about the money. Think about it for a second, what does NaNiwa gain from a Korean team? +Solid practice structure +Higher level practice partners +Shelter in Korea and access to the Korean ladder -Less pay Given that he's explicitly said many times that he wants to stay in Korea and he wants to be the best, what option looks more likely? | ||
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MiLesRP
Germany68 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:35 Bladgrim wrote: Or, more likely, I think, a foreign team with a partnership with a Korean team (Liquid/coL). I think I'd like to see him with FXO (or FXOKorea). They definitely have the means to support a talented player, and the dedication to being in the korean scene to keep him around. If they're maintaining two team houses, I don't know how big they're looking to get... But Nani would make a nice addition to OZ/Choya on their protoss lineup. It might be nice to see him go oGs; MC hasn't been quite as fierce in recent months, and the team is shallow enough that we could really see nani shine there... plus there's the liquid partnership. Liquid'Nani or oGsNaniwa would be pretty baller. If he's going to go to an ALL Korean team, I want to see him on TSL though. They're so small, but there's not a guy on the team where you don't say "oh, yeah, he's pretty damn good" (except the two zergs I've never seen play) and Nani would benefit, imo, from some of the play styles those players exhibit. | ||
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moofang
508 Posts
So... since there's no mysterious countdown timer and disturbing twisted audio clips being released in time increments, can we safely conclude that it isn't EG this time? | ||
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HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:43 Novalisk wrote: Maybe that means Dignitas will add someone a little more mature to their roster. I'm curious, what do you mean by this? Naniwa appeared to act in a mature fashion in all the interviews I've seen.. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:15 GrungyMunchy wrote: Um you think that what the guy said isn't true? Because it is. Better skill-wise? Yes. Better for NaNiWa? No. Unless NaNiWa is going to commit himself 100% to the GSL, a Korean team is NOT the ideal team for him, and he'd be much better off with coL.MVP or EG. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:08 PlaGuE_R wrote: people CHANGE, he was bm a long time ago when he was hitting a very rough patch in his life, he said in an interview that he was angry and depressed at life and took it out on his opponents and that he realized that that was the wrong thing to do and that he would behave properly now because of the chances he was given by both Empire and Dignitas User was warned for this post Was he really warned for that post? That's weird. | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:39 gehgrfhgrh wrote: No HE IS not. Korean teams have no money and NaNi woudn't leave Dignitas if it wasn't about the money. You think Naniwa gives a shit about money? All Naniwa cares about is winning. He's said that countless times. He doesn't even play his consolation matches at MLG when they're for money. Because all he cares about is that he hasn't won. He'll join a team which gives him the best chance at becoming the best he can be. Which will either be a Korean team or a Foreigner team with a Korean partnership. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:44 phyre112 wrote: I think I'd like to see him with FXO (or FXOKorea). They definitely have the means to support a talented player, and the dedication to being in the korean scene to keep him around. If they're maintaining two team houses, I don't know how big they're looking to get... But Nani would make a nice addition to OZ/Choya on their protoss lineup. It might be nice to see him go oGs; MC hasn't been quite as fierce in recent months, and the team is shallow enough that we could really see nani shine there... plus there's the liquid partnership. Liquid'Nani or oGsNaniwa would be pretty baller. If he's going to go to an ALL Korean team, I want to see him on TSL though. They're so small, but there's not a guy on the team where you don't say "oh, yeah, he's pretty damn good" (except the two zergs I've never seen play) and Nani would benefit, imo, from some of the play styles those players exhibit. FXOBoss has already stated in this thread that they have no intention of acquiring NaNi. | ||
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ragealot
432 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:44 ptrpb wrote: Think about it for a second, what does NaNiwa gain from a Korean team? +Solid practice structure +Higher level practice partners +Shelter in Korea and access to the Korean ladder -Less pay Given that he's explicitly said many times that he wants to stay in Korea and he wants to be the best, what option looks more likely? It's always about the money. | ||
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HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
No it's not. -___- | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
He behaved much better while on dignitas so it can't be because of his manners | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
Even when the player consistently states that he is willing to sacrifice everything to be the best? I would assume everything includes money. | ||
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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Scribble
2077 Posts
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Mr.Brightside
Australia317 Posts
I hope another team, preferably a Korean one acquires him so that he may continue to train in Korea, I hope that one day he can be the best. | ||
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Baituri
Netherlands1501 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
That was after Fenix .... so not really. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:44 HackBenjamin wrote: I'm curious, what do you mean by this? Naniwa appeared to act in a mature fashion in all the interviews I've seen.. That depends on your point of view. For example, I for one don't like it when a player consistently talks down on the European scene from which he originates. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:47 zeru wrote: If you are working your ass off in esports with the main motivation being money, then you are doing something wrong. If you are one of the best foreigners in the world and play for literally no money when other far weaker players get 5 times your money then you are doin somethin wrong as well. He is gonna be lookin for a team that can provide him with an opportunity to stay in korea but also pay good money. Most korean teams cant do that. If he joins a Korean team its only going to be temporarily. Naniwa is a smart person. I think he knows his market value. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
Except that EG haven't been announcing any announcements lately | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
Then again, most of that is true for EG as well, at least in theory. You'd think maybe they'd be ahead of the likes of Liquid when it comes to willingness (and ability?) to spend a lot of money too, but then they just spent reportedly a large amount of money on getting HuK, would they want to do that again? Shame, though.. I quite like Dignitas. Now 1/3 of the reason I do is gone. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:51 hugman wrote: The more I think about it.. it's EG.Naniwa Except that EG haven't been announcing any announcements lately Yeah, if EG was acquiring a player we would've seen the everlasting chain of announcements begin in November '97. :D | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:45 how2TL wrote: Was he really warned for that post? That's weird. Yeah, I'm thoroughly confused as per why he was warned for that post, everything he posted is pretty accurate. I read an article where Naniwa commented on his BM past and he has changed. What the hell? | ||
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AJMcSpiffy
United States1154 Posts
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
My Dignitas jersey was bought beacuse of Naniwa, his new team can expect the same. This time I will follow the player, not the team. But I still wich Dignitas the best of luck! Naniwa is the biggest free agent out there right now, I guess every team is at least talking to him. | ||
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TurbineBlade
United States117 Posts
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:50 Novalisk wrote: That depends on your point of view. For example, I for one don't like it when a player consistently talks down on the European scene from which he originates. But it's true? I'm pretty sure most progamers would agree that the korean ladder is the hardest ladder. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:52 Chargelot wrote: Yeah, if EG was acquiring a player we would've seen the everlasting chain of announcements begin in November '97. :D NaNiwa Nukem Forever | ||
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
Hmm, wasn't there some famous foreign team that their great protoss player recently? Hmm, nope drawing a blank. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
BAD DECISION BY DIGNITAS WHATEVER REASON THEY HAD IT WAS BAAAAAAAAAD | ||
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ronpaul012
United States769 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:59 sVnteen wrote: hope its gonna be like mouz nani or reign nani BAD DECISION BY DIGNITAS WHATEVER REASON THEY HAD IT WAS BAAAAAAAAAD when you can't afford to pay a player, which I'm assuming that naniwa wants the big $, then its not really a decision you can debate. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:59 sVnteen wrote: hope its gonna be like mouz nani or reign nani BAD DECISION BY DIGNITAS WHATEVER REASON THEY HAD IT WAS BAAAAAAAAAD You know it might have been Naniwa's choice or a mutual one? Maybe they couldn't afford to keep him in Korea for as long as he wanted (just an example). | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:58 gullberg wrote: But it's true? I'm pretty sure most progamers would agree that the korean ladder is the hardest ladder. There's a difference between saying "The korean ladder is the best ladder" and saying "I haven't learned anything from Europeans in a long time, because they suck". | ||
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:03 Novalisk wrote: There's a difference between saying "The korean ladder is the best ladder" and saying "I haven't learned anything from Europeans in a long time, because they suck". AFAIK, NaNiwa insulted the European scene during a HomeStoryCup 3 interview because he Koreans were dominating Europeans left and right during the period. NaNiwa said something along the lines of "There isn't anymore I can learn from the Europeans" and stated he had plans on going to Korea. | ||
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LunaSaint
United Kingdom620 Posts
Regardless, Naniwa probably doesn't give a damn when it comes to salary. A team that can send him overseas and provides him good practise is all he would care about. | ||
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SgtPepper
United States568 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:50 Novalisk wrote: That depends on your point of view. For example, I for one don't like it when a player consistently talks down on the European scene from which he originates. When have he done that? | ||
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Bedward
United States28 Posts
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Murdock
Poland490 Posts
Blizz will have to put some kind of player transfer tool on bnet 2.0, cos it's more popular than the actual game. | ||
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Destro
Netherlands1206 Posts
they havent made an announcement to announce the forewarned announcement. If they do make a announcement of an announcement, they will have to announce their intention to do so. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
I guess when he said that he couldn't learn from the EU anymore, the truth hurts sometimes. | ||
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
Also, is it truly good for him to join a korean team... language barrier and all that ? | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:59 sVnteen wrote: hope its gonna be like mouz nani or reign nani BAD DECISION BY DIGNITAS WHATEVER REASON THEY HAD IT WAS BAAAAAAAAAD They agreed to not extend it. They didnt drop him so its probably him asking for them to let him go. Although I'm sad that this happened to dignitas who supported him so long ago, I take solace in that they have other amazing players like Sjow and Select, as well as up and coming players like Merz. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
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Sablar
Sweden880 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:05 ptrpb wrote: AFAIK, NaNiwa insulted the European scene during a HomeStoryCup 3 interview because he Koreans were dominating Europeans left and right during the period. NaNiwa said something along the lines of "There isn't anymore I can learn from the Europeans" and stated he had plans on going to Korea. Since when was speaking his mind, and probably the truth, the same as insulting a scene. It's just how it is, deal with it. But it will be interesting to see where he ends up. | ||
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Cow
Canada1104 Posts
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Vansetsu
United States1452 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:09 Murdock wrote: Another drama... Blizz will have to put some kind of player transfer tool on bnet 2.0, cos it's more popular than the actual game. I don't really see any drama here, unless people want to turn this situation into some unnecessary side-story to the other pieces of drama we have going on right now. His contract ended, he didn't want to renew it, Dignitas didn't want to renew it. The end. | ||
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Darksteel
Finland319 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:12 Sablar wrote: Since when was speaking his mind, and probably the truth, the same as insulting a scene. It's just how it is, deal with it. But it will be interesting to see where he ends up. Naniwa is far less BM nowadays than he was earlier and he doesn't insult players personally, unlike some other prominent SC players. I hope he finds a team that's goals meet his and keeps improving. | ||
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jkl93
Sweden47 Posts
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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QuanticGaming
United States36 Posts
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
I'm excited to see where he ends up now. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:08 PlaGuE_R wrote: people CHANGE, he was bm a long time ago when he was hitting a very rough patch in his life, he said in an interview that he was angry and depressed at life and took it out on his opponents and that he realized that that was the wrong thing to do and that he would behave properly now because of the chances he was given by both Empire and Dignitas User was warned for this post Someone is feeling a wee bit moody I see. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
We can fangirl over him joining Liquid or EG as much as we want, its pretty clear to me he will be teamless or Col. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
but in sc2, im inclined to think this is not the reason as that is incredibly petty reasoning for giving up possibly the best player on your roster. I have a feeling that due to his great performance, both the team and him recognize how much more naniwa is worth than when he was signed one year ago. Dignitas can't afford him (if you look at their roster it certainly makes sense) making it simply impossible for naniwa to stay perhaps without a significant salary cut. If this is how it was, then much respect owed to dignitas and only the best wishes for naniwas getting what he deserves as a player. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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ForeverAzerG
United Kingdom101 Posts
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[KGS]Slacker
Denmark82 Posts
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pStar
996 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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FluidKMC
United States45 Posts
. it just doesn't feel the same as a foreigner winning. I would look at him as a KoreanEdit: grammer | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:19 [KGS]Slacker wrote: Isn't/wasn't he staying at the Startale house? Would make sense to join ST! I think he's staying at the MVP house now. It doesn't make sense for him to join a Korean team, he'd want to travel to foreign tournaments. Col.MVP sounds like a decent bet, but I'm thinking maybe SK. | ||
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Chvol
United States200 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:21 Panthae wrote: Anyone else more excited about SotG tonight? :D Or Inside the game. IF EG is involved, they will be doing some kind of statement on that show | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
There's hasnt been much EG drama lately. | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:19 zarepath wrote: EDIT: nm, made into its own post because it was too long SPOTLIGHT THIS HAHAHAHA BEST TL POST IN AGES | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:24 Jiddra wrote: Or Inside the game. IF EG is involved, they will be doing some kind of statement on that show I honestly have never watched that show... Is it better than SotG? | ||
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2904 Posts
Oh wells, Naniwa will find something better! | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:24 pStar wrote: SPOTLIGHT THIS HAHAHAHA BEST TL POST IN AGES way to be a dick. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:25 Panthae wrote: I honestly have never watched that show... Is it better than SotG? Nope | ||
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ImmortalTofu
United States1254 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I wonder if Dignitas no longer wanted him? or Naniwa wanted to be a free agent? Anyways, teams would be fucking stupid not to pick up this fucking beast of a player. EGNaniwa??? :O | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
who was it that said there was gonna be some big news about a big EU player or something? | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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CoFran
Canada342 Posts
nah, probly slayers | ||
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gulati
United States2241 Posts
Terrible, terrible loss. I am so sad to hear this. On the bright side, Naniwa is now free to join any Korean progaming team he wants. He has more raw skill in my opinion than 80% of the Korean progaming Protosses in GSL. Best of luck Naniwa. You are truly amazing. | ||
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Firewood
Sweden49 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:05 LunaSaint wrote: "We agreed" implies it was mutual. It was probably too expensive to send everyone between Korea and NA and Dreamhack so often. Regardless, Naniwa probably doesn't give a damn when it comes to salary. A team that can send him overseas and provides him good practise is all he would care about. "We agreed" implies nothing. It's simply a phrase used for PR. However we'll never know since it's not smart of either part to trash talk the other. I guess coL.MVP is the perfect fit, and probably the only team who can afford him. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:50 Novalisk wrote: That depends on your point of view. For example, I for one don't like it when a player consistently talks down on the European scene from which he originates. ?? lol he's not talking down on it, he's just telling the absolute truth, which is that korean scene/ladder/etc is miles better than europe, which I'm pretty sure is a common knowledge fact Naniwa has been extremely manner and mature for quite some time now, no need to be a hater. Also as for this situation, my best guess would be that naniwa wanted to stay in korea permanently for the foreseeable future, and dignitas wasn't willing to pay for him to do that while still paying him to fly around to foreign tournaments, which the team would obviously want. Conflict of interest I guess, and I wouldn't be surprised at all (in fact, I would be surprised if it didn't happen) if naniwa got picked up by a korean team or a foreign team with a korean partnership (FXO Liquid or coL) to get his wish of staying in korea. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:21 HaXXspetten wrote: It's not ok Well played. | ||
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Hellmutt
25 Posts
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:33 Cassel_Castle wrote: Guessing he hasn't found a team yet since he's not going to mlg orlando. Irrelevant. He isn't going MLG because he is in Code A, just like Select and Sjow who funnily enough are also Dignitas players. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:32 Whitewing wrote: EG.Naniwa? NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! don't make it so I can't root for Naniwa too | ||
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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + jk | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
Poll: Where is NaNi headed next? Team Complexity / MVP (93) Team Evil Geniuses (60) Team DUCKLOAD!? (35) Team Incredible Miracle (24) Team SlayerS (19) Team Liquid (16) Team Startale (12) Team Sixjax (9) Team Mousesports (6) Team ReIGN (4) 278 total votes Your vote: Where is NaNi headed next? (Vote): Team Evil Geniuses I like the last one. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
Logic points to Team coL or a Korean team. Fanvote goes to: Liquid`NaNiWeR Wildcard: TT.Naniwa or Grubby.Naniwa GL TO NANIWA! | ||
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:32 ffadicted wrote: ?? lol he's not talking down on it, he's just telling the absolute truth, which is that korean scene/ladder/etc is miles better than europe, which I'm pretty sure is a common knowledge fact Naniwa has been extremely manner and mature for quite some time now, no need to be a hater. I already responded to this (p.27). | ||
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CrivE
Sweden45 Posts
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:35 Pyo wrote: NOOOOOOO!!!!!!! don't make it so I can't root for Naniwa too Does it seriously determine whether or not you like someone based on what team they're on? Players are players, and they always will be. Huk is still Huk, Sheth is still Sheth. Quit whining about EG. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
Can't even imagine nani and his shaggy face in the military o: | ||
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kota
Denmark84 Posts
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leeches
Canada22 Posts
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:25 Panthae wrote: I honestly have never watched that show... Is it better than SotG? nope but still good | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:39 Panthae wrote: Poll: Where is NaNi headed next? Team Complexity / MVP (93) Team Evil Geniuses (60) Team DUCKLOAD!? (35) Team Incredible Miracle (24) Team SlayerS (19) Team Liquid (16) Team Startale (12) Team Sixjax (9) Team Mousesports (6) Team ReIGN (4) 278 total votes Your vote: Where is NaNi headed next? (Vote): Team Evil Geniuses I like the last one. No SK-gaming? They're a pretty major team | ||
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Entroph
Ireland33 Posts
But possibly Incredible Miracle might have an interest too. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:43 hugman wrote: No SK-gaming? They're a pretty major team Forgot! Sry, spur of the moment thing. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
That is seriously a terrible poll. I'm pretty sure Duckload isn't around anymore, and Sixjax has definitely disbanded. | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1835 Posts
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Vaeila
Netherlands336 Posts
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:27 ThatGuy89 wrote: EGNaniwa who was it that said there was gonna be some big news about a big EU player or something? I think it was the Stephano thing was the big news. Still, if it had something to do with EG.Naniwa we would probably have lots of unecessary hype and misleading information both pro- and anti-EG flying around already. | ||
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Moldwood
United States280 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11037 Posts
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
my bet is on one of the kroean teams, which said they want to expand into the foreigner scene. that would make either ST_nani or IMnani imo. well... IM already took in fenix, so my money is on ST_ | ||
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naux
Canada738 Posts
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:48 Moldwood wrote: wow.... ; ( he better not be going to FXO screw that. worst idea ever. For the umpteenth time, he won't be joining FXO. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:46 Vaeila wrote: Mill.Naniwa, heard it here first If Stephano is staying with Mil. and they are paying him what CoL was going to, I'm pretty sure they don't have the capital for that right now. They also wouldnt be so spent on keeping Stephano if a big name like NaNi was on his way. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:50 Panthae wrote: If Stephano is staying with Mil. and they are paying him what CoL was going to, I'm pretty sure they don't have the capital for that right now. They also wouldnt be so spent on keeping Stephano if a big name like NaNi was on his way. Stephano and NaNiWa to EG. | ||
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:10 talismania wrote: None of the korean teams can afford naniwa... he will want foreign travel, etc. He is going to look to value himself around where Huk is. the difference is that nani has only won 1 thing | ||
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TG_Lelouch
United States134 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:47 Sbrubbles wrote: I think it was the SaSe thing was the big news. Still, if it had something to do with EG.Naniwa we would probably have lots of unecessary hype and misleading information both pro- and anti-EG flying around already. What SaSe thing? | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:51 striderxxx wrote: the difference is that nani has only won 1 thing Well, he won a decently sized LAN in the UK as well and then 2nd HSC3, 2nd EU Blizzcon inv. He won BDL too | ||
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Kaizoku
Sweden96 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:49 sCuMBaG wrote: won't be EG. and it won't be mouz either... trust me. my bet is on one of the kroean teams, which said they want to expand into the foreigner scene. that would make either ST_nani or IMnani imo. well... IM already took in fenix, so my money is on ST_ Would love to see nani wear those pants. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
Nah. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:51 striderxxx wrote: the difference is that nani has only won 1 thing If you can't count maybe. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
I agree, he will be priced at about what HuK is worth. Which is why I don't see him going to a korean team... :S | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
Poll: Where is NaNi headed next? Team Complexity / MVP (93) Team Evil Geniuses (60) Team DUCKLOAD!? (35) Team Incredible Miracle (24) Team SlayerS (19) Team Liquid (16) Team Startale (12) Team Sixjax (9) Team Mousesports (6) Team ReIGN (4) 278 total votes Your vote: Where is NaNi headed next? (Vote): Team Evil Geniuses | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
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Hellmutt
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On September 21 2011 03:03 FryktSkyene wrote: Why are people picking sixjax lol. Not even a team anymore You actually named the exact reason. | ||
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R4iD
Canada142 Posts
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
It may take him years, but at least he is giving it his best. Hope he goes deep every now n then to keep his spirits up and eventually win THE championship (like Jangbi). Need to be able to fight through the slumps and long losing streaks. Jinro, mad respect to you. Good luck to Sase and Fenix as well! Naniwa fighting! Hope Sase or Naniwa join IM then they will send Nestea, MVP, Losira, Fenix and Naniwa to foreign tournaments to consistently aim for top 3 placing. ^^ | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2904 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
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Muffinman53
571 Posts
Or maybe Nani wasn't really interested in staying. Who knows. | ||
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Zolis
Australia29 Posts
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NotTheMonker
United States131 Posts
Also, OGS-TL has great Protosses such as MC and Hero to practice with and learn from. | ||
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Laneir
United States1160 Posts
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dubRa
2165 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:59 Panthae wrote: I agree, he will be priced at about what HuK is worth. Which is why I don't see him going to a korean team... :S Nani said he doesn't care about foreign competitions. He stated numerous times that his only goal is to be the best. Further more, he said he doesn't care about money when he finished second at homestory cup. | ||
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:11 NotTheMonker wrote: I think Team Liquid actually makes the most sense. He gets a decent amount of money from a foreign team, and he gets to live in the OGS-TL house to practice with real Koreans. Also, OGS-TL has great Protosses such as MC and Hero to practice with and learn from. Good point. It's a bidding war between EG, CoLMvP and OGS-TL. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
anyway - sad news for dignitas | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
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Panthae
Canada205 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:13 JiYan wrote: mouz not in the discussion for anyone else? They have the same $$ that Dignitas has. Which isn't much for a player like NaNi. | ||
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
I meant Stephano. Oooops! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43947 Posts
I can only assume Naniwa's moving up in the world... to a better team. On September 21 2011 03:16 MrMotionPicture wrote: SixJax Naniwa for sure! Hahahahahaha | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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eohs
United States677 Posts
Team Dignitas I think needs to re-write what you just said. His contract is up and Naniwa wants to sign with a Korean team or a "bigger" team. Lets be honest here, why would Dignitas not want to sign the next big protoss... come on now :D | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:10 Zolis wrote: Hasn't he been training in Star Tale house ever since he went to Korea? No he's been moving around, he was only there for like a week. I think he's in the MVP house at the moment | ||
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Clazziquai10
Singapore1949 Posts
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tGFuRy
United States537 Posts
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SayHello
Czech Republic147 Posts
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Perfect
United States322 Posts
These sort of threads are going to be popping up more and more over the next few months. Now that SC2 has been out for just over a year all of these pros with 1 yr contracts will be up for negotiation. | ||
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GoStyle
United Kingdom95 Posts
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Namu
United States826 Posts
I mean Naniwa is definitely one of the best players on their team with a very strong character. His determination has been showing through all his recent interviews, I can't imagine why Dignitas wouldn't renew the contract. I'm guessing it was Naniwa that didn't want to renew the contract? I hope he finds a solid Korean team to join. Best of luck to dignitas as well. | ||
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Mike15xp
United States595 Posts
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
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myzael
Poland605 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:24 GoStyle wrote: The most sense would be for coL to take him on, that way he can stay in KR whilst having the crazy $$$ the top orgs can offer. It will defo but this stephano bullcrap to bed as well, seeing as nani is like 10x the player I wouldn't be too sure of that. Stephano is a monster. He's got potential through the roof. | ||
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Destructicon
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I wish Nani the best of luck, he has real fighting spirit and I hope it burns bright forever. | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
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soulist
United States932 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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Clues
United States186 Posts
A: Dignitas and Naniwa have a strained relationship and after talks Dignitas wasn't even going to look to renew his contract B: Naniwa is also fairly far along with a few teams he is more interested in, and with diverging interests it just doesn't make sense for Dignitas to throw their offer onto the table. My money is on B. And from there I think CoL.MVP is his best fit as they should have the money and intent to send him to international events as well as support from within Korea. | ||
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r0x0r
Germany293 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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On September 21 2011 03:31 soulist wrote: I think he will either join a korean team or a team that has partnerships in korea (liquid, col, eg, fxo??) you narrowed it down pretty neatly, given he stated he wants to stay there the only option you did not cover was self-sponsoring | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:32 Clues wrote: As others have pointed out, the wording might indicate one of two things: A: Dignitas and Naniwa have a strained relationship and after talks Dignitas wasn't even going to look to renew his contract B: Naniwa is also fairly far along with a few teams he is more interested in, and with diverging interests it just doesn't make sense for Dignitas to throw their offer onto the table. My money is on B. And from there I think CoL.MVP is his best fit as they should have the money and intent to send him to international events as well as support from within Korea. or C: Dignitas talked to Naniwa about the future, his plans and the teams. They couldn't find a way to keep the teams budget and plans to fit Naniwas wishes. They both realised Naniwa would be able to find this somwhere else, so the parted and there was no new contract. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:32 Clues wrote: As others have pointed out, the wording might indicate one of two things: A: Dignitas and Naniwa have a strained relationship and after talks Dignitas wasn't even going to look to renew his contract B: Naniwa is also fairly far along with a few teams he is more interested in, and with diverging interests it just doesn't make sense for Dignitas to throw their offer onto the table. My money is on B. And from there I think CoL.MVP is his best fit as they should have the money and intent to send him to international events as well as support from within Korea. Well, to be fair, he could ask for quite a bit of money now (not just raw cash, but hotel fees, flights, room and board in korea), considering hes getting alot better, and alot more recognized. Its possible that they dropped him because they couldnt afford to make an offer that he could get on other teams? I mean, I dont know how big dignitas is, but in all honesty, they dont seem like a Col or an EG or whatever. Maybe Im just ignorant? | ||
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Spain622 Posts
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XastoC
Canada59 Posts
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:32 Clues wrote: As others have pointed out, the wording might indicate one of two things: A: Dignitas and Naniwa have a strained relationship and after talks Dignitas wasn't even going to look to renew his contract B: Naniwa is also fairly far along with a few teams he is more interested in, and with diverging interests it just doesn't make sense for Dignitas to throw their offer onto the table. My money is on B. And from there I think CoL.MVP is his best fit as they should have the money and intent to send him to international events as well as support from within Korea. I thought this exactly! | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:39 SeriouR wrote: Nani to replace Huk? hero replaced huk. i dont think nani has the manner that liquid looks for in its players. i love naniwa though and hope to see him on a top flight team soon. Hopefully its a team that supports his korean adventures and still allows him to hit the major NA/EU events. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Tonttu
Finland606 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:47 crms wrote: hero replaced huk. i dont think nani has the manner that liquid looks for in its players. i love naniwa though and hope to see him on a top flight team soon. Hopefully its a team that supports his korean adventures and still allows him to hit the major NA/EU events. Not to mention with Liquid recently acquiring Sheth AND HerO, I don't think they're looking to recruit any new players in the immediate future. | ||
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Mexico1605 Posts
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PresenceSc2
Australia4032 Posts
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iYiYi
United States489 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
he cant just go off and join a korean team all by his lonesome. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Mordiford
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Naniwa has been staying at the GOM house recently I believe along with Drewbie(while Team MVP was on break) and the two are pretty good friends if I'm not mistaken. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up on Complexity and would actually pretty happy if that was his decision. I feel like they'd have no problem leaving him in the Korean MVP house for as long as he'd like with the option of flying him to events as well. | ||
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Netherlands87 Posts
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Australia4032 Posts
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Chile843 Posts
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:02 OrchidThief wrote: The more I'm thinking about it, the more I realise TL is a real possibility, since HuK left, Hero is the only one, and naniwa is as good a replacement as you can get. I'm pretty sure TL picked up Hero specifically to replace Huk. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
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United Arab Emirates137 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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On September 21 2011 04:04 Mordiford wrote: I'm pretty sure TL picked up Hero specifically to replace Huk. except they stated they wanted to be the first foreigner team with a Korean on it (which they didnt achieve) and were planning to sign a Korean since long, and been in discussion with Hero for months | ||
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itstheTB
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What Korean team would want to pick up a player who is not humble and thinks he is smarter than the whole world? IM coach has explicitly said IdrA is the last person on earth he would invite to the IM-house, and Naniwa + IdrA have the sameish attitude. | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On September 21 2011 03:51 -Strider- wrote: EGNaniwa, EGHuk, EGPuma, EGIdra... Training together... imagine that boy. that would be insane. | ||
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makesomenoiiise
United Kingdom78 Posts
And EGThorzain for that matter? | ||
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
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Matkap
Spain627 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:02 OrchidThief wrote: The more I'm thinking about it, the more I realise TL is a real possibility, since HuK left, Hero is the only one, and naniwa is as good a replacement as you can get. Tyler? | ||
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Sackings
Canada457 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:09 itstheTB wrote: Good news, that's the consequences of having a bad mouth and being arrogant... What Korean team would want to pick up a player who is not humble and thinks he is smarter than the whole world? IM coach has explicitly said IdrA is the last person on earth he would invite to the IM-house, and Naniwa + IdrA have the sameish attitude. naniwa and idra are nothing alike, naniwa has an eye of the tiger when it comes to winning, can u say the same about idra? please dont make up bullshit | ||
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FarbrorAbavna
Sweden4856 Posts
Either way gl Naniwa! | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
once u go to korea, u leave the team. ex. sheth, huk, and many others. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:09 itstheTB wrote: Good news, that's the consequences of having a bad mouth and being arrogant... What Korean team would want to pick up a player who is not humble and thinks he is smarter than the whole world? IM coach has explicitly said IdrA is the last person on earth he would invite to the IM-house, and Naniwa + IdrA have the sameish attitude. IdrA and Naniwa's attitude hardly the same, or even similar. IdrA blames his failures on his opponents and the state of the game, Naniwa generally responds with, "I suck, I need to get better". Furthermore, he doesn't actively bad manner his opponents either. I don't see how you can compare them at all. Unless you're talking pre-Dignitas Naniwa, he seems to have grown a fair bit since then. His hyperbolic statements regarding the EU scene is really all I can think of. | ||
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Substandard
Italy270 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:04 Mordiford wrote: I'm pretty sure TL picked up Hero specifically to replace Huk. No, they didn't. I think Nazgul stated specifically that they were talking to ogs about acquiring Hero long before EG contacted them about acquiring Huk. | ||
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:18 RusHXceL wrote: I knew this was coming. once u go to korea, u leave the team. ex. sheth, huk, and many others. umm he was there for many months that doenst count at all. | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
BUT whoever does pick up naniwa is certainly going to be doing their team a favour! | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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w.s
Sweden850 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:06 SenorChang wrote: Hope he joins a Korean team, since he intends to stay there for so long :D he said he wishes to stay permanently already, lol | ||
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Merany
France890 Posts
Anyway, good luck to you and to Dignitas ! | ||
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Sweden185 Posts
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w.s
Sweden850 Posts
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mantower
Sweden131 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:27 MyXoMoPBL wrote: I want slayers_nani I was just about to write that too ^^. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:20 Substandard wrote: No, they didn't. I think Nazgul stated specifically that they were talking to ogs about acquiring Hero long before EG contacted them about acquiring Huk. Thanks for clearing that up, if you could source that it'd be awesome. I figured the timing of Huk leaving and Hero joining lined up well enough for him to be picked up as a replacement, my mistake. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:20 Whiteman103 wrote: umm he was there for many months that doenst count at all. he was still living at korea so yes it does son. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
The way the statement was worded it sounded like dignitas didnt want naniwa back (and vice versa). | ||
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marxgarza
United States373 Posts
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TVUmK
United States91 Posts
You guys know its coming. Come on. You know it. | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
Personally, I felt like SelecT and Naniwa made Team Dignitas. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On September 21 2011 04:59 Arterial wrote: oh wow!!! Personally, I felt like SelecT and Naniwa made Team Dignitas. Sjoooooooow dude | ||
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minimalistic
Hungary157 Posts
SjoW does not count for the noobs because he has low apm... (jk) | ||
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Fix637
United States256 Posts
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dre2k
Netherlands215 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:05 Fix637 wrote: I'd like to see Liquid pick him up. He'd be a perfect addition =) FXO can't afford him but liquid can.... uh yeah.... no | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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Clicker
United States1012 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:11 dre2k wrote: FXO can't afford him but liquid can.... uh yeah.... no Sadly yeah this is more than likely the case. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:11 dre2k wrote: FXO can't afford him but liquid can.... uh yeah.... no why is it that people assume TL is some 2nd tier team that cant afford top players? what about Sheth? he was in FXO... why is it that people assume that money is the only thing that causes a contract to fall through when there are a billion possibilities ranging from travel expenses to foreign events(which TL has managed to cover just fine for all its players) to living arrangements in a top tier korean house (which TL also has) people need to remember that TL has people like Ret and Sheth and TLO and Jinro who are top foreign players with a huge marketability. Stop assuming that they're broke. They ARE sponsored by one of the biggest hardware companies out there (Razer) | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
What I do know, however, is that he isn't going to EG at least anytime in a near future. It's obviously up to you whether to believe me or not. | ||
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Kerwinius
United States58 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:17 PlaGuE_R wrote: why is it that people assume TL is some 2nd tier team that cant afford top players? what about Sheth? he was in FXO... why is it that people assume that money is the only thing that causes a contract to fall through when there are a billion possibilities ranging from travel expenses to foreign events(which TL has managed to cover just fine for all its players) to living arrangements in a top tier korean house (which TL also has) people need to remember that TL has people like Ret and Sheth and TLO and Jinro who are top foreign players with a huge marketability. Stop assuming that they're broke. They ARE sponsored by one of the biggest hardware companies out there (Razer) Lol, like every team is sponsored by Razer or some other hardware company... And i don't think the sponsorship dollar amounts are publicly announced, so why do you assume TL can afford to pay Naniwa? Edit: And besides, Naniwa was already on one of the best foreign teams anyways, so I'm gonna assume he's joining a korean team. | ||
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United States33128 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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PoopLord
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Sad to see him leave Dignitas Really hoping he joins a Korean team. | ||
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dre2k
Netherlands215 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:17 PlaGuE_R wrote: why is it that people assume TL is some 2nd tier team that cant afford top players? what about Sheth? he was in FXO... why is it that people assume that money is the only thing that causes a contract to fall through when there are a billion possibilities ranging from travel expenses to foreign events(which TL has managed to cover just fine for all its players) to living arrangements in a top tier korean house (which TL also has) people need to remember that TL has people like Ret and Sheth and TLO and Jinro who are top foreign players with a huge marketability. Stop assuming that they're broke. They ARE sponsored by one of the biggest hardware companies out there (Razer) Maybe you should've read through the topic a bit more. Naniwa parted with dignitas also because they couldn't match his needs financially. Whether that was his salary, his travelling expenses or whatever. If a team like FXO can't pay him and even comments most teams won't be able to except for CoL or EG you can logically conclude naniwa has pretty high demands (which is reasonable imo) that liquid can't meet. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
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Kerwinius
United States58 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:21 dre2k wrote: Maybe you should've read through the topic a bit more. Naniwa parted with dignitas also because they couldn't match his needs financially. Whether that was his salary, his travelling expenses or whatever. If a team like FXO can't pay him and even comments most teams won't be able to except for CoL or EG you can logically conclude naniwa has pretty high demands (which is reasonable imo) that liquid can't meet. Also, it can be assumed that Huk left Liquid because EG made him a deal that Liquid could not or would not. I doubt Huk would have left Liquid for the same money / benefits. So one can assume that Liquid obviously has some low to mid financial limitations. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:18 Kerwinius wrote: Lol, like every team is sponsored by Razer or some other hardware company... And i don't think the sponsorship dollar amounts are publicly announced, so why do you assume TL can afford to pay Naniwa? who says that they cant? im not assuming either way. Im just saying, everyone and their mother assumes that TL cant afford star players. which is totally false, sure they cant compete with a multi team, super old(in terms of eSports) organization like EG. BUT who's to say they cant compete with organizations like FXO and Dignitas? I'm just thinking we should stop just shutting possibilities down because of our assumptions of the budget of teams (which we have no idea of) this entire thread I've only presented my opinion that Nani should join TL and defended my opinion (as well as defending nAni from people who decided to bring up his past bm) but people seem to resort to the minimalistic argument of 'Money Rawr' or 'No Money rawr' to describe this situation in terms of teams possibly picking up Naniwa when human beings have much much more motivations then just money. maslow's hierarchy of needs states that only the bottom 2 parts of the pyramid that is the needs of a human being for a happy and fulfilled life can be solved through monetary gain only. | ||
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United States6429 Posts
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:24 tuho12345 wrote: CoL is most likely gonna pick him. They just missed Stephano and Nani is just pretty awesome make up for them. And btw CoL is rich as hell, they could pay Nani easily coL haven't missed out on Stephano at all. Back on topic, my guess is he'll join a Korean team, or possibly Liquid`. Either way, he'll be staying in Korea. | ||
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ChewSenTv
United States99 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:39 Panthae wrote: Poll: Where is NaNi headed next? Team Complexity / MVP (93) Team Evil Geniuses (60) Team DUCKLOAD!? (35) Team Incredible Miracle (24) Team SlayerS (19) Team Liquid (16) Team Startale (12) Team Sixjax (9) Team Mousesports (6) Team ReIGN (4) 278 total votes Your vote: Where is NaNi headed next? (Vote): Team Evil Geniuses I like the last one. The people have spoken. | ||
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Lt.Roosevelt
Sweden84 Posts
After reading what FXO said about it and all I guess CoLMVP seems like the most probable alternative, but I don't really like it. I'd understand it considering they all have to make money, but I think if Nani wants to reach his full potential IM is the way to go. Whatever his choice is though I wish him the best and good luck in Korea. | ||
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Grackodile
United States263 Posts
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:34 Grackodile wrote: EG.NANIWA ♥ SCOOTS MAKE IT HAPPEN Actually, for once I feel that EG really would be the best place for a player But I can't see EG having the money for one more player with that kind of pricetag, how deep pockets can they have compared to everyone else. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:40 Jiddra wrote: Actually, for once I feel that EG really would be the best place for a player But I can't see EG having the money for one more player with that kind of pricetag, how deep pockets can they have compared to everyone else. I feel Complexity or Team Liquid would be a better fit, Complexity already has a top tier teamhouse to put him in. | ||
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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KneeDeeP
United States256 Posts
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idkju
Canada51 Posts
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Huge O
Great Britain95 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:41 Mordiford wrote: I feel Complexity or Team Liquid would be a better fit, Complexity already has a top tier teamhouse to put him in. EG is going to have a Korean team house, and an extra top tier foreigner would be a good addition, not to mention Naniwa and Huk may soon be the best protoss in Korea. | ||
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Retgery
Canada1229 Posts
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AnxiousHippo
Australia1451 Posts
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xajukx
Canada325 Posts
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Bedrock
United States395 Posts
WHERE ARE YOU GOING?? D: | ||
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Kentakky
Sweden1272 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:44 Huge O wrote: EG is going to have a Korean team house, and an extra top tier foreigner would be a good addition, not to mention Naniwa and Huk may soon be the best protoss in Korea. EG not gonna have no house they been saying they gonna have a teamhouse in Korea since the start of SCII and instead they invest on one in America. If Naniwa is smart, he'll go to coL instead of EG. In EG he'll have to do commentary, visit all the shows do many more interviews and just be a market puppy in coL I think he can focus on becoming the best player which is what he seems to want. MVP house helps. | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:20 Waxangel wrote: Omg, Liquid`Naniwa please! I'll give up my birthday and christmas presents T_T We all know Hot_Bid is the master of all ESPORTS. Put in agood word with him and he'll make it happen. | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:53 Kentakky wrote: EG not gonna have no house they been saying they gonna have a teamhouse in Korea since the start of SCII and instead they invest on one in America. If Naniwa is smart, he'll go to coL instead of EG. In EG he'll have to do commentary, visit all the shows do many more interviews and just be a market puppy in coL I think he can focus on becoming the best player which is what he seems to want. MVP house helps. uhh...EG is going to have a teamhouse in Korea. Ever heard of Huk and Puma? | ||
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:43 Whitewing wrote: FXO.Naniwa EG not gonna have no house they been saying they gonna have a teamhouse in Korea since the start of SCII and instead they invest on one in America. If Naniwa is smart, he'll go to coL instead of EG. In EG he'll have to do commentary, visit all the shows do many more interviews and just be a market puppy in coL I think he can focus on becoming the best player which is what he seems to want. MVP house helps. FXOBoss already stated that they won't be signing Naniwa. And EG will have a house in Korea, the 1st three players there will be Idra, Huk and Puma I believe. | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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robopork
United States511 Posts
GL to dignitas and Naniwa, can't wait to see awesome things out of both. I hope he gets in with a Korean team, but before long it'll be him that's whipping Korean toss into shape. I love EG, but if they picked up Naniwa it would feel like they had more than their fair share of the strong players outside of Korean teams. coL/MVP seems intuitive, IM would make his PvZ unstoppable...+ Show Spoiler + not that it matters in the GSL | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:01 Slider954 wrote: FXOBoss already stated that they won't be signing Naniwa. And EG will have a house in Korea, the 1st three players there will be Idra, Huk and Puma I believe. I imagine the whole MVP house will be a far better for practice than Huk, Puma and temporarily Idra. I also can't see Idra and Naniwa getting along too well, but who knows. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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Trell
United States60 Posts
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Hellmutt
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:06 ZAiNs wrote: I imagine the whole MVP house will be a far better for practice than Huk, Puma and temporarily Idra. I also can't see Idra and Naniwa getting along too well, but who knows. They all practice with each other regardless of what team they are on or where they stay. The main difference between people in your house is who you get to talk to for advice in person. It would be a lot easier for naniwa if he were with HuK because they both speak english for example, and therefore would get a lot out of working together. | ||
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justsayinbro
307 Posts
If a foreigner can win in Korea it's Naniwa | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:10 Hellmutt wrote: As someone stated, EG could just sell the HoN team and get nani since hon is hangin' by the neck anyways Or just get rid of Incontrol/Axslave/Lzgamer. | ||
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Fox116
United States409 Posts
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Hellmutt
25 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:11 Bashion wrote: Or just get rid of Incontrol/Axslave/Lzgamer. Not to mention StrifeCro who i have seen outside of 2v2's once | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
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cactusjack914
United States183 Posts
I've been staying in GomTV house for about a week now, but I'm going to the MVP team house when I come back from Valencia Hmmmm....So he really might be going to coL. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:39 Panthae wrote: Poll: Where is NaNi headed next? Team Complexity / MVP (93) Team Evil Geniuses (60) Team DUCKLOAD!? (35) Team Incredible Miracle (24) Team SlayerS (19) Team Liquid (16) Team Startale (12) Team Sixjax (9) Team Mousesports (6) Team ReIGN (4) 278 total votes Your vote: Where is NaNi headed next? (Vote): Team Evil Geniuses I like the last one. Why are sixjax and duckload even on the list...  | ||
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UnderDuck
Germany5 Posts
epic :-D | ||
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rockerman101
United States85 Posts
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ReboundEU
508 Posts
Anyway...i see him as a bad investment also. He has been some time in Korea now...and yet...in every tournament i see him go out in first round...so..were does the money go? chicken wings? | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:10 Hellmutt wrote: As someone stated, EG could just sell the HoN team and get nani since hon is hangin' by the neck anyways More like drop strifecro >_> They are essentially paying him to play 2v2's in EGMC | ||
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ThatGuyDoMo
Australia516 Posts
I have a feeling he will be signed by a korean team or FXO | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:09 Trell wrote: I forsaw it happening lol. I have a feeling it will be like EG or somebody interested in the Korean scene. Naniwa is NOT going to EG. | ||
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543 Posts
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EriMus
United States11 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:10 Hellmutt wrote: As someone stated, EG could just sell the HoN team and get nani since hon is hangin' by the neck anyways Let's start with that, EG doesn't even have a HoN team anymore. They used to though. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
ok ty for that info kind sir naniwa | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
They JUST got huk (and sounded like they spent a lot of money to do so). Why would they get another protoss player.. Hope naniwa goes to MVP/coL | ||
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
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FluXen
Canada210 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
And you guys need a new default team to assume people are going to. | ||
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PopcornColonel
United States769 Posts
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
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Huge O
Great Britain95 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:11 Bashion wrote: Or just get rid of Incontrol/Axslave/Lzgamer. They should keep Incontrol as a coach and PR guy, and he can ever get out of his slump return to pro gaming. They should dump Machine. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:36 inamorato wrote: Great move on Dignitas. Decide to not sign their only player whose put out any results. Maybe they will make xeris captain next. Unless, you know, Nani was the one who made the decision or Dignitas didn't have the money. Plus, Nani is not the only Dignitas player with results. Come on. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:31 jinixxx123 wrote: from my guess, since nani always mentions startale house, i'd say its probably going to be Startale Nani He said he was moving into the MVP house after Valencia. Someone posted a quote earler. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:27 r!pp!n wrote: Maybe he makes a team with Destiny? (loljokes) I have a feeling he will be signed by a korean team or FXO For all the people who keep saying FXO will sign him On September 21 2011 00:09 FXOpen wrote: We have spoken to NaNiWa and we will not be recruiting him. Given the financial requirements for a player such as Naniwa, the only korean team who 'may' purchase him would be coL.MvP, but it would be a big investment for them. My guess would be another foreign team. | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:22 ReboundEU wrote: The message was so strong simple and in your face with 0 emotion..this makes me feel like Dignitas couldn't be happier to kick out Naniwa... To me the message sounded like "Contract expired..he's out..glhfgg bro we don't need ya, waste of money" No remorse no tears...no nothing. They were practically waiting for his contract to be finished so they can get rid of him. Anyway...i see him as a bad investment also. He has been some time in Korea now...and yet...in every tournament i see him go out in first round...so..were does the money go? chicken wings? While the parting message was certainly emotionless I don't think they are thrilled to see him go. A little over a month ago he earned his way to blizzcon, taking out Strelok, Nerchio, Tarson and Thorzain for a well deserved second place, a ticket to blizzcon and 5k. He's been training in Korea since the 9th of august, not including time off to traveling to MLG Raleigh and DH Valencia. So no he really hasn't been there that long and no one should be surprised if he struggles for a while while rebuilding his playstyle. Nani has made approximately 10k in winnings in the last 4 months and has been a fairly consistent player overall. How precisely is that a bad investment? | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:37 hmunkey wrote: Unless, you know, Nani was the one who made the decision or Dignitas didn't have the money. Plus, Nani is not the only Dignitas player with results. Come on. Seriously, they do have a player named Select, you might have heard of him. | ||
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:37 hmunkey wrote: Unless, you know, Nani was the one who made the decision or Dignitas didn't have the money. Plus, Nani is not the only Dignitas player with results. Come on. The only mentionable players in Dignitas next to Nani are Select and Sjow and Nani's results pretty much run theirs through the dirt. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
Thanks for the sarcasm, but you don't have to be Naniwa himself to know this. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:43 FlamingForce wrote: The only mentionable players in Dignitas next to Nani are Select and Sjow and Nani's results pretty much run theirs through the dirt. That's a massive hyperbole. | ||
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Nosforit
Canada260 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:36 inamorato wrote: Great move on Dignitas. Decide to not sign their only player whose put out any results. Maybe they will make xeris captain next. Remind me which Dignitas members are on to the Ro16 of GSL Code A? | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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FlamingForce
Netherlands701 Posts
No, that's an opinion. | ||
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Xenogears
France87 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:43 FlamingForce wrote: The only mentionable players in Dignitas next to Nani are Select and Sjow and Nani's results pretty much run theirs through the dirt. SeleCT and Sjow are mentionable? Hahahaha Good one bro. | ||
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IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
OKNaniwa: Its ok | ||
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OrchidThief
Denmark2298 Posts
Fuck me, can't believe I forgot Tyler. Although he isn't exactly playing at the same level HuK, Naniwa and Hero is. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:44 Sein wrote: Thanks for the sarcasm, but you don't have to be Naniwa himself to know this. You cannot be certain about anything without information, you deserve the sarcasm. Your guess is as good as anyones. | ||
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:47 Xenogears wrote: SeleCT and Sjow are mentionable? Hahahaha Good one bro.Uhhh Select is definitely on par with Naniwa in terms of performance/achievements. Not to mention Select actually made it to Code A Ro 16? | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:51 Badfatpanda wrote: You cannot be certain about anything without information, you deserve the sarcasm. Your guess is as good as anyones. And what makes you think that I'm making a guess? | ||
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Yiska
141 Posts
>Dignitas doesn't have enough money Lol'd. ODEE had to actually send sponsors to other organisations because, get this, there is no room for more on the jersey. No joke. >Decides to not sign. Dignitas would never give up on a player unless he absolutely lost his face in the community (cheating etc.) Never would Dignitas kick a player for the lack of performance for instance. >The only mentionable players in Dignitas next to Nani are Select and Sjow and Nani's results pretty much run theirs through the dirt. SelecT is a lot more consistent. ALL of them are champions. >That's an opinion. Not every factually wrong point can be protected by the shield of "opinion" | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:53 Sein wrote: And what makes you think that I'm making a guess? The fact that you aren't Naniwa and plus if you are privy to some inside info from Naniwa himself, it's pretty shitty of you to come on here and speak for him when he obviously isn't ready to make a statement yet. | ||
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Hellmutt
25 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:52 Nayl wrote: Uhhh Select is definitely on par with Naniwa in terms of performance/achievements. Not to mention Select actually made it to Code A Ro 16? SeleCT is terran, not to hate on the balance, but if you look at winrates and the fact that 20/32 players in code S play terran it's bound to mean something | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:53 Sein wrote: And what makes you think that I'm making a guess? Because no one with inside information would divulge it in the manner you just did. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:55 Hellmutt wrote: SeleCT is terran, not to hate on the balance, but if you look at winrates and the fact that 20/32 players in code S play terran it's bound to mean something Dude, don't start a balance whine in this thread. It won't be looked on favorably, the mods show very little leeway when it comes to balance whine. | ||
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:55 Hellmutt wrote: SeleCT is terran, not to hate on the balance, but if you look at winrates and the fact that 20/32 players in code S play terran it's bound to mean something Right, Select wins things because he plays Terran. Nothing to do with him being a good player. | ||
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smallerk
897 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:57 Slider954 wrote: Dude, don't start a balance whine in this thread. It won't be looked on favorably, the mods show very little leeway when it comes to balance whine. Where did he whine about balance?He simply suggested the current state of the game favours the terran race, which is true, protosses are doing terribly at the moment. You dont need to backseat mod every post you know. | ||
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ZOMGitsTHEEND
Canada202 Posts
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Nayl
Canada413 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:01 smallerk wrote: Where did he whine about balance?He simply suggested the current state of the game favours the terran race, which is true, protosses are doing terribly at the moment. You dont need to backseat mod every post you know. Select was doing well before current state of the game. People like him just undervalues anybody's achievement by bringing balance to the table when it had very little impact in this case. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:55 Slider954 wrote: The fact that you aren't Naniwa and plus if you are privy to some inside info from Naniwa himself, it's pretty shitty of you to come on here and speak for him when he obviously isn't ready to make a statement yet. I haven't said anything about which team Naniwa is going, because I have no idea myself. I merely said that EG isn't signing him, which I don't see anything wrong with. Would you say the same thing you just told me ("it's pretty shitty of you") to FXOBoss, who came in here and said that he's not signing Naniwa? I doubt it. I apologize if my previous post seems a bit standoffish, but I do have credible sources. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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kilergrunt
United States263 Posts
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Noxblood
Norway374 Posts
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tGFuRy
United States537 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:06 itkovian wrote: Hmm, sad news, I wonder where he will end up. Seeing as nothing has been said about why, I can only assume they did not agree on a contract? Was dignitas not able to match what he was asking for? I'm wondering the same thing. You'd think they would want to keep him. Possibly he asked for something they couldn't offer. | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:05 Sein wrote: I haven't said anything about which team Naniwa is going, because I have no idea myself. I merely said that EG isn't signing him, which I don't see anything wrong with. Would you say the same thing you just told me ("it's pretty shitty of you") to FXOBoss, who came in here and said that he's not signing Naniwa? I doubt it. I apologize if my previous post seems a bit standoffish, but I do have credible sources. No I wouldn't say that to FXOBoss because he is actually affiliated with FXO and as such can speak for them, you are just a random poster on TL who says he has credible sources which may or may not be true. You aren't a spokesperson for Naniwa or EG so even if you are correct, again it's not right for you to come on here and speak for him or EG. | ||
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RAPiDCasting
Korea (South)594 Posts
I was actually pretty surprised about this since it really impressed me that Dignitas had 3 players in CODE-A. I would have thought they'd ride the wave of publicity, but I guess not. There goes all of SeleCT's protoss practice... | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:59 Astro-Penguin wrote: RatzNaniwa in your dreams buddy. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:59 Astro-Penguin wrote: RatzNaniwa I laughed out loud at that comment :D | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:09 Noxblood wrote: I am sure Naniwa will find a good team, my bet is on EG! So the EG house inn korea will be better. will be a monster toss house with Naniwa, Hero and Huk, only need a really solid terran with idra coming and the house would start to look really good Puma's going to be in there, and not hero . But naniwa going into the EG house would be interesting ^^. | ||
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Faranth
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
Hope it's IMNaniwa | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:13 Cloud9157 wrote: IMNaniwa No you're not | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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Xenogears
France87 Posts
On September 21 2011 06:52 Nayl wrote: Uhhh Select is definitely on par with Naniwa in terms of performance/achievements. Not to mention Select actually made it to Code A Ro 16? Sorry if I was unclear : I agree 100% with you. They are MORE than mentionable. Not to say Sjow was the most cash winning player in europe only couple months ago. | ||
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Nortac
United States375 Posts
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Sandro
897 Posts
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dontnerfterranagain
United States50 Posts
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:19 dontnerfterranagain wrote: I dont think any teams will pick him up because hes gotten alot worse lately How? Cause he lost in code A after a flight, didn't make it out of the hardest group in MLG history and lost to Rain in the hardest matchup atm? | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
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cscarfo1
United States307 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:19 dontnerfterranagain wrote: I dont think any teams will pick him up because hes gotten alot worse lately Don't talk until you're his skill level buddy | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Chrill
Sweden91 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:19 dontnerfterranagain wrote: I dont think any teams will pick him up because hes gotten alot worse lately Really?? He's probably the most talented foreigner in the world. Stop posting. -__- | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
ic wat u did dere | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:24 cscarfo1 wrote: Don't talk until you're his skill level buddy "i think the the lord of the rings sucks ass" "Make your own movie and then haven an opinion asshole!" Yeah i think we all need to be directors to review a movie, or a writer for a book. Hmm lets just forget our ability to compare and review our own experiences.. | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:11 ChrisXIV wrote: oGs.Naniwa and then after a few months...Liquid'Naniwa. I seriously have no idea, but good luck to him! NaNiwa joining oGs would actually really make my day. oGsNaNiwa <-- just look! | ||
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CaptainCool
United States1 Post
On September 21 2011 07:39 Loxley wrote: "i think the the lord of the rings sucks ass" "Make your own movie and then haven an opinion asshole!" Yeah i think we all need to be directors to review a movie, or a writer for a book. Hmm lets just forget our ability to compare and review our own experiences.. You can't compare reviewing a movie to trashing a players skill. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Shuray
Brazil642 Posts
good luck to Dignitas and Naniwa | ||
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havox_
Germany442 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:33 MooMooMugi wrote: ST_Naniwa? I think he was practicing in their practice house for a long time Was mentioned several times before, but he wasn't really happy there: TL.net DH Valencia Iview: I expected a lot more strict practice, but Startale is from what I've heard is kind of a relaxed team in that regard, they play when they want. So that was something I didn't realise until I got there, but I hope MVP will be alot more strict and play more SC2. MVP -> coL...^^ | ||
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dontnerfterranagain
United States50 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:34 Chrill wrote: Really?? He's probably the most talented foreigner in the world. Stop posting. -__- nah, thorzain and kas are better | ||
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Shichoo
Canada118 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:24 cscarfo1 wrote: Don't talk until you're his skill level buddy That's really not a valid point... | ||
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duk3
United States807 Posts
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starrrrlight
Denmark18 Posts
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Maxtor
United Kingdom273 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:19 Sandro wrote: How is he gonna travel to foreign tournaments now? If he joins a Korean team they probably cant even afford to send him around the world. it always seemed to me that naniwa cared more about being the best rather than winning foreign tournaments, if he joins a korean team he can fulfil that wish. Anyway gl to him! | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:50 starrrrlight wrote: Naniwa to oGs, its about time they get a decent protoss player imo. are you angry? | ||
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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ClysmiC
United States2192 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:48 duk3 wrote: Crazy news, Naniwa to join a Korean team? Or to team up with EG? If Naniwa joins EG I will be super super sad. I'm sick of EG getting all these new all-stars. | ||
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Sandro
897 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:51 Maxtor wrote: it always seemed to me that naniwa cared more about being the best rather than winning foreign tournaments, if he joins a korean team he can fulfil that wish. Anyway gl to him! Regardless, what tournaments is he going to play in now? Just Code A and maybe the Korean weekly? | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
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ZachFreeman
Australia484 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:17 Catroa wrote: RatzNaniwa We can only dream, my friend. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:19 dontnerfterranagain wrote: I dont think any teams will pick him up because hes gotten alot worse lately if thats getting a lot worse...then fuck, i wanna get a lot worse too! :D | ||
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aethereality
Canada62 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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iblink
Netherlands36 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:31 PlaGuE_R wrote: if thats getting a lot worse...then fuck, i wanna get a lot worse too! :D everytime you feed a troll, a kitten dies | ||
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Togana
United Kingdom74 Posts
We have made a fantastic new signing we will announce that at 6pm CET tomorrow | ||
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ggahSoO
United States191 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:47 Togana wrote: From Dignitas' Twitter: We have made a fantastic new signing we will announce that at 6pm CET tomorrow d.Stephano? | ||
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sLBraemar
Canada285 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:47 Togana wrote: From Dignitas' Twitter: We have made a fantastic new signing we will announce that at 6pm CET tomorrow I bet it will be Stephano! xD EDIT: Ninja'd | ||
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Glenwoodian
United States28 Posts
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Togana
United Kingdom74 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:51 BionicSC wrote: I bet it will be Stephano! xD EDIT: Ninja'd I'm thinking either: d.SaSe d.VIBE d.DDE or... *gags* d.Major? | ||
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quirky2000
Australia50 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:52 Togana wrote: I'm thinking either: d.SaSe d.VIBE d.DDE or... *gags* d.Major? No offense to the players u listed cuz they sure are good. But I wouldn't announce them as 'fantastic signings'. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:47 Togana wrote: From Dignitas' Twitter: We have made a fantastic new signing we will announce that at 6pm CET tomorrow Is it Naniwa? xD | ||
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Cassel_Castle
United States820 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:52 Togana wrote: or... *gags* d.Major? Really now, how is that a worse signing than Naniwa one year ago? | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
d.Stephano | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:00 Jakkerr wrote: No offense to the players u listed cuz they sure are good. But I wouldn't announce them as 'fantastic signings'. They might consider SaSe a "fantastic signing". He is in Korea after all. | ||
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LXR
357 Posts
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Togana
United Kingdom74 Posts
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drdreggor
Sweden207 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:00 Jakkerr wrote: No offense to the players u listed cuz they sure are good. But I wouldn't announce them as 'fantastic signings'. Yeah do you really think any team WOULDN'T announce any player signing as "fantastic"? "Hey guys we've gotten ourselves a mediocre signing for dignitas!!" They kinda have to think about a thing called PR you know.. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Togana
United Kingdom74 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:15 radiantshadow92 wrote: PLEASE LET IT MAJOR! *2 months later* Dignitas disbands... | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:15 radiantshadow92 wrote: PLEASE LET IT MAJOR! Can't believe people are still cheering for Major, Dignitas wouldn't stoop so low to pick him up. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:16 Bagi wrote: Can't believe people are still cheering for Major, Dignitas wouldn't stoop so low to pick him up. yeah i mean he left a dying team with a shady-ass sponsor, less than a week before it disbanded...so terrible amirite? he does stupid shit but he is good enough to get accepted by korean teams without ever training in korea LOL (NSHeoSeo accepted him into their practice house, but SJ wouldn't send him there so he couldnt go) | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
That would hilarious lol | ||
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SuperStyle
United States976 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:26 SuperStyle wrote: Noooooooooo, Nani, my favorite player is no longer in my favorite team. My SC2 world is at its end. ... | ||
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Archile
United States403 Posts
i mean, it would be a decent troll and with all seriousness it would be legal seeing as his contract just got removed think about it.... | ||
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Togana
United Kingdom74 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:36 Archile wrote: i wouldnt be suprised if the new signing actually IS nani.... i mean, it would be a decent troll and with all seriousness it would be legal seeing as his contract just got removed think about it.... His contract doesn't run out until the end of the month. Still got a week or so to go. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:16 Bagi wrote: Can't believe people are still cheering for Major, Dignitas wouldn't stoop so low to pick him up. Where was Naniwa when dignitas picked him up last year? He was the BM to almost everyone. Idra even called him out to be the person he (idra) would like to punch into the face for real (in one of the earlier interviews w/ Artosis, when Idra was still in Korea). Naniwa was also really unreliable. He was kicked out of EPS, because of this (too many penalty points). He was kicked from MYM, because of this. Everyone was like "who would sign such a bm, unreliable person?". Guess what - dignatas did. And he (his behaviour) improved a lot under dignitas. But since this is a Naniwa thread: I predict a foreigner team with ties to a Korea. He always wanted to play in Korea and play against the best of the best. But most Korean teams arent really blessed with money. And why should they fly out the foreign Code A player to foreign events, when they cant even fly out their Code S players? So a normal Korean team probably isnt the case (maybe FXO but FXOBoss already denied that). A normal foreigner team (mouz, ... ) not going to happen. I doubt they would allow him to stay in Korea and they dont have ties to arrange a practice regime for him. So a foreign team with strong ties to Korea (EG with their own house, TL with oGs, coL with MVP) is my bet. Probably coL. If those rumours are wrong with him wanting big money I can see alot of other Korean teams becoming viable (basically everyone^^) | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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JaBrOnI
Philippines59 Posts
Read it here first Seriously hope that this is just a troll from Dignitas because Nani is one of my fave players. Hope the announcement of the newly signed player would still be Nani. | ||
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KingPaddy
1053 Posts
But I believe it'll be SaSe; they lost a swedish P living in Korea, so they want one back.. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
They are now lacking a stand-out Protoss, no offense to Bischu but he doesn't quite compare to Naniwa. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
I'll continue to support both Dignitas and Naniwa, love em both. | ||
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Neoattitude
Guam172 Posts
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + they wish | ||
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Standby
United States38 Posts
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iinsight
Canada293 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
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Stijx
United States804 Posts
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:30 iinsight wrote: Liquid definitely needs some new protoss blood! :D HerO???? | ||
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clownzim
Brazil267 Posts
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:34 clownzim wrote: ogsNani ? Did nani play bw? I thought he played war3? ogs is all bw players. Hence the name.. (Old generation starcrafters) | ||
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Rorra
Australia1066 Posts
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IMBAkorean
Canada835 Posts
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TheRealFluid
United States501 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36939 Posts
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT GO TO EG!!! | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
So little details.... | ||
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
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MildSeven
Canada311 Posts
On September 21 2011 09:56 Mordiford wrote: I wouldn't see the point in picking up Major when they already have two incredible Terran players on their roster. They are now lacking a stand-out Protoss, no offense to Bischu but he doesn't quite compare to Naniwa. Absolutely no way they would pick up Major considering Dignitas' one of the more prestigous teams, Major would only ruin its rep. | ||
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Incursus
United States415 Posts
On September 21 2011 10:45 FryktSkyene wrote: Did nani play bw? I thought he played war3? ogs is all bw players. Hence the name.. (Old generation starcrafters) Zenio was a War3 player actually. I doubt oGs would be picky about someone that good. I mean, Naniwa has not blown the Korean's socks off yet, but they have to see his potential. Also, more foreigners = more exposure | ||
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Jushyfruit
United States67 Posts
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
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Megakenny
Canada829 Posts
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Kentakky
Sweden1272 Posts
On September 21 2011 05:56 blooblooblahblah wrote: uhh...EG is going to have a teamhouse in Korea. Ever heard of Huk and Puma? 2-3 players doesn't make a teamhouse... | ||
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UnknownReclaimer
United States146 Posts
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Thugtronik
New Zealand452 Posts
On September 21 2011 11:36 Kentakky wrote: 2-3 players doesn't make a teamhouse... EG have announced they're starting a teamhouse in Korea. Why are you trying to argue against this? | ||
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Kentakky
Sweden1272 Posts
On September 21 2011 11:46 Thugtronik wrote: EG have announced they're starting a teamhouse in Korea. Why are you trying to argue against this? Because it was announced a year ago and nothing came of it. and if you mean this new announcement or whatever it's basically just finding a place to stay for 2 players nice teamhouse dood. EG and their announcements are worth nothing. | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 11:22 MildSeven wrote: Absolutely no way they would pick up Major considering Dignitas' one of the more prestigous teams, Major would only ruin its rep. Naniwa didn't actually have the best reputation either when he joined Dignitas, he turned it all around in this last year. But still, I doubt they'd pick up Major. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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Icectar
United States99 Posts
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Tx3Jorge
United States32 Posts
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On September 21 2011 12:07 Icectar wrote: people keep saying Naniwa will join a korean team, but what if he teams up with Polt instead and builds a team?? i like that idea Polt.Naniwa and Polt.Polt? O.o | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
... No way... | ||
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Jona
2 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
I'm still enjoying some of the amazingly left-field posts here. | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
Thus EG/Col are more likekely destinations. | ||
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Xaerkar
United States230 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
that could work out well I think. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
Calling it. | ||
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Str1keFreedom
United States112 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
On September 21 2011 13:52 Str1keFreedom wrote: I bet Polt is gonna go to Dignitas !!!! Oh man! I did not even think about that! PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN | ||
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NaldoR
Singapore2198 Posts
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ObliviousNA
United States535 Posts
On September 21 2011 13:05 Irrational_Animal wrote: When people mention that he doesn`t care about the money and just wants to join a Korean team you need to be aware that this would mean that he would be unable to visit MLGs/Dreamhack etc. as those teams do not have the financial background to send him and those that might have enough funding like Slayers and IM already posess bigger stars that rank way above him in the pecking order to get paid the required expenses. So he would have soley the GSL to focus on which is a risky move. Thus EG/Col are more likekely destinations. The logic is strong in this one. My money's on Complexity, especially after the Stephano fiasco... since Nani's contract doesn't run out for another month or so, this seems like a solid move for them on quick notice, plus they have the Korean infrastructure with MVP. | ||
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
And for MVP, well they are korean team, for sure the practice will be better then at dignitas.. but still dont like the col.. I`ll be happier if he join OGS or IM or Slayers. IM dont think they need a foreigner and even if nani is one of the best foreigner.. he still cant be top 5 at IM. i also was surprized they took Fenix. Anyhow.. I root for nani to Slayers (they also have money for foreign tourneys - > look MLG) or to OGS - most user friendly to foreigners team. EG dont think that they still want to invest in another toss after HUK (who as far as i know was expensive). Hope we will see this soon, and nani can settle to a training house and practice practice practice. | ||
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Postman
United States269 Posts
On September 21 2011 15:13 jarod wrote: i DO NOT want nani to col MVP. really now.. the only top player from there is DRG and maybe genius. As a foreign team col has the money but not the player. They have not 1 top foreign player, they cannot compare to Dignitas, mouz, liquid or EG... really now. even Fnatic are better then them. And for MVP, well they are korean team, for sure the practice will be better then at dignitas.. but still dont like the col.. I`ll be happier if he join OGS or IM or Slayers. IM dont think they need a foreigner and even if nani is one of the best foreigner.. he still cant be top 5 at IM. i also was surprized they took Fenix. Anyhow.. I root for nani to Slayers (they also have money for foreign tourneys - > look MLG) or to OGS - most user friendly to foreigners team. EG dont think that they still want to invest in another toss after HUK (who as far as i know was expensive). Hope we will see this soon, and nani can settle to a training house and practice practice practice. Col is showing that they have the budget and vision to build the best possible team they can. This time next year, if things keep going the way they've been going, Complexity will be one of the top foreign teams. I would love to see Nani be part of that. | ||
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pigtheman
United States333 Posts
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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hp.Shell
United States2527 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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JustinMartin
159 Posts
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
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soulist
United States932 Posts
he is my favorite player | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 21 2011 18:28 soulist wrote: Naniwa has not been playing well at all lately. WHen is the last time he has even won? Crushes my heart he is my favorite playerBlack Dragon League? It was this summer 2nd HSC 3, 2nd EU Blizzcon qualifier Top3 foreigner at every MLG this year except one Don't think he's doing poorly, but he's lost vs a lot of koreans | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
On September 21 2011 18:28 soulist wrote: Naniwa has not been playing well at all lately. WHen is the last time he has even won? Crushes my heart he is my favorite playerWhen did any Protoss last win? I'm sure people in charge of recruiting for teams etc... know the difference between him not performing well personally, and the Race itself being at a disadvantage. Naniwa is still Naniwa, and you'll see him return to being competitive when it becomes possible for any Protoss to be competitive again. He's a good player, nothing indicates to me he's performing any worse than his peers. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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Paladia
802 Posts
On September 21 2011 00:37 VirgilSC2 wrote: I didn't read every post, but I'm really surprised that nobody mentioned Fnatic. I could see Fnatic looking toward a Team House in Korea, especially with their Korean "B-Team" and NaNiWa could stay there as well. Naniwa was already in fnatic but was kicked due to disputes. So it is highly unlikely they would recruit him again. Judging from the Code A match that Naniwa played today, the MVP coach was there to coach him. Suggesting he is at least taking an interest and helping Naniwa (Naniwa also plays with them). | ||
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iNbluE
Switzerland674 Posts
Sad news... | ||
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Loire
Singapore1358 Posts
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vijeze
Netherlands719 Posts
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xza
Singapore1600 Posts
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turkit
Ireland67 Posts
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FreedonNadd
Austria573 Posts
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MasterKush
United Kingdom568 Posts
Could quite easily be the new Dignitas signing. | ||
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drdreggor
Sweden207 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:00 MasterKush wrote: Just thinking... isn't Socke without a team right now? Could quite easily be the new Dignitas signing. Dignitas stated on their twitter that they're not announcing a sc2 player. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On September 21 2011 07:17 Xenogears wrote: Sorry if I was unclear : I agree 100% with you. They are MORE than mentionable. Not to say Sjow was the most cash winning player in europe only couple months ago. he actualy has like the most winning in sc2 out of every foreigner or maybe he's second | ||
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Loxley
Netherlands2480 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:08 cilinder007 wrote: he actualy has like the most winning in sc2 out of every foreigner or maybe he's second http://sc2earnings.com/ Global position 24 Position 5 in europe position 6 NA/europe Not quite 1st or 2nd but he's doing great | ||
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MasterKush
United Kingdom568 Posts
Dignitas stated on their twitter that they're not announcing a sc2 player. Ah I didn't see that update, my bad then. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On September 21 2011 20:17 turkit wrote: i thought he would have rejected a contract, but for them not to offer one, now that surprises me, i cant wait for more info Maybe they did talk and quickly found that they wouldn't be able to offer a contract that would meet Naniwa's desires so there was no point in offering him one? He seems to be set on staying in Korea for a long time and maybe Dignitas couldn't offer an appropriate solution. This is purely speculations on my part but I can think of multiple scenarious where Naniwa finding a new team would be better for both parties. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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DiamondTear
Finland165 Posts
Maybe they see protoss as hopeless | ||
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
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Sairon
47 Posts
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DerBeefman
Germany226 Posts
On September 21 2011 21:00 MasterKush wrote: Just thinking... isn't Socke without a team right now? Could quite easily be the new Dignitas signing. Socke still plays for alternate and I don't think he's going to switch teams, maybe you meant SaSe he's atm teamless. | ||
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nimiedad
Germany11 Posts
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
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Jongl0
631 Posts
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Joseph123
Bulgaria1144 Posts
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On September 22 2011 00:14 nimiedad wrote: I think it'll be EG, it really fits into their philosophy imo Doubt it would fit into his.....If he thought mvp(i think?) didn't; have a serious enough practice regimen, I doubt he will like what EG is doing. | ||
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Luisa_2
Germany200 Posts
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AIOL!
France962 Posts
On September 22 2011 01:07 Luisa_2 wrote: EGNaniwa most likely I doubt EG got enough money now They clearly got a full line up and don't need an adition. And i doubt this will be this easy for him to find a new team as he is so bm and verry expensive (in terms of salary i mean), he basicaly been in all top european team and fucked'em just after to find a one with more salary (yeah we speak a lot about stephano but forget this guy...). I hope he will try very hard to find a new one as i don't understand the hipe he got being so bm, even if he has a good level | ||
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IMABUNNEH
United Kingdom1062 Posts
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
On September 22 2011 00:49 sekritzzz wrote: Doubt it would fit into his.....If he thought mvp(i think?) didn't; have a serious enough practice regimen, I doubt he will like what EG is doing. and that would be?? | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
Forming a pro house in Korea. Naniwa would definitely be against that..... wait... | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
Getting a sweet house in Arizona so everyone can practice together in wife beaters and bad facial hair, and lose to Koreans at big tourneys. =) | ||
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Whiteman103
United States1070 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:35 Shellshock1122 wrote: Forming a pro house in Korea. Naniwa would definitely be against that..... wait... Getting a sweet house in Arizona so everyone can practice together in wife beaters and bad facial hair, and lose to Koreans at big tourneys. =) ROFL u too i know what they are doing 8 hours a day Nani didnt like ST house cuzz it was practice when you want EG has a schedule | ||
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Manlots
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Iron.Fist
Brazil268 Posts
On September 22 2011 02:34 darkest44 wrote: Well his recent results and the spanking he just got in code A probably won't help him if hes trying to secure a higher paying contract or get on one of the best korean teams tbh. I think hes too stuck in the deathball protoss days so he's struggling even more than most tosses now. Honestly, the best thing that could happen for him is to join TL so he can practice with Hero.. Hero's playstyle is the future of protoss, turtling and making a deathball then A moving to victory is not. He actually played well last night. Well you could say his strat was kinda bad or w/e... anyway I agree that Naniwa practicing with oGs/Liquid would be godly but I think Morrow said something about TLO not liking Nani and that make things hard. | ||
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Inertia_EU
United Kingdom513 Posts
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WhiteraCares
Sweden339 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 22 2011 05:35 WhiteraCares wrote: My bet is that Naniwa couldnt keep his shit togheter and Dignitas got fed up. Team #7 coming soon. What has he done that was bad PR while he was at Dignitas? | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On September 22 2011 05:35 WhiteraCares wrote: My bet is that Naniwa couldnt keep his shit togheter and Dignitas got fed up. Team #7 coming soon. What? Naniwa truly did changed (atleast in public) since he joined Dignitas. I don't think this had anything to do with it. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On September 22 2011 05:37 ZAiNs wrote: What has he done that was bad PR while he was at Dignitas? Nothing in terms of bad PR. The problem may lie internally, as suggested on SToG. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On September 22 2011 01:22 AIOL! wrote: I doubt EG got enough money now They clearly got a full line up and don't need an adition. And i doubt this will be this easy for him to find a new team as he is so bm and verry expensive (in terms of salary i mean), he basicaly been in all top european team and fucked'em just after to find a one with more salary (yeah we speak a lot about stephano but forget this guy...). I hope he will try very hard to find a new one as i don't understand the hipe he got being so bm, even if he has a good level Dude you seriously need to update your intel. Naniwa hasn't been BM in any way the past 10 months or so. You can't really go about judging a player for what he did and said so long ago. Afaik he hasn't done anything bad during his time with dignitas. Stop talking a shit about players when you have no clue. On September 21 2011 14:08 Slider954 wrote: Hmm Incontrol just said something interesting on SOTG, in that while Naniwa has cleaned up act somewhat in public and is less BM, apparently he's not that easy to get along with as a teammate and the Dignitas has some problems with him in that regard. I wonder if that has any bearing on not resigning him and if it will affect what team does sign him. That's such a strange statement though. What does he know about that at all? I've got a feeling he picked it up from dignitas apollo in the DH tournament who was talking about Naniwa not being able to be friendly to koreans and basically made it sound like he was some kind of axe murder rapist in terms of social skills. My bet is that when he made it clear that he wasn't going to go to tournaments and whatnot (mlg for instance) and decided to practise instead to get better, dignitas kind of lost interest in him as they probably need players to participate in western tournaments for their sponsors. Also this kind of screams 'looking for korean team' to me. Just my speculations ofcourse. I really don't believe in apollo's hint of Naniwa being a murderous ape in disguise though. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
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wraggy1234
United Kingdom135 Posts
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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delo
United States333 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On September 22 2011 00:49 sekritzzz wrote: Doubt it would fit into his.....If he thought mvp(i think?) didn't; have a serious enough practice regimen, I doubt he will like what EG is doing. It was Startale who he thought was a bit lax. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 22 2011 07:57 delo wrote: Hmm...col.MVP.Naniwa? Wonder what Bass/DRG are announcing tonight on LO3. Guess we'll find out soon enough. Erm... Bass is specified as being there to discuss the Stephano situation and DongRaeGu is there to discuss his Valencia victory. It would be cool if Bass suddenly busted out a, "By the way, we're picking up motherfucking Naniwa!". But I doubt that's what he's there for. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
www.onemoregame.tv http://www.justin.tv/OneMoreGameTV compLexityLive compLexity Gaming We will have some big announcements today on @LiveOnThree watch @JasonBass and @MVPDongRaeGu in 15 minutes. | ||
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GigaFlop
United States1146 Posts
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delo
United States333 Posts
On September 22 2011 08:03 Mordiford wrote: Erm... Bass is specified as being there to discuss the Stephano situation and DongRaeGu is there to discuss his Valencia victory. It would be cool if Bass suddenly busted out a, "By the way, we're picking up motherfucking Naniwa!". But I doubt that's what he's there for. Yep, and that's exactly what happened. | ||
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ellirc
Sweden3286 Posts
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unsaintly
Germany687 Posts
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Vadrigar
Bulgaria2379 Posts
p.s. fuck dignitas! | ||
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