EPTEverything we say are not assumption but simple retranscription of millenium version , wich doesnt seems less credible than the team who make people signs contract overnight.
Statement of Millenium on the Stephano situation - Page 10
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daviday
Hong Kong33 Posts
Everything we say are not assumption but simple retranscription of millenium version , wich doesnt seems less credible than the team who make people signs contract overnight. | ||
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Tryxtira
Sweden572 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:57 Medrea wrote: As far as we can tell Complexity did everything by the book and in front of Mill. How far do you have to go? this could have happened to Liquid EZPZ As far as I know, Liquid is far less aggressive about recruiting, they make sure everyone is okay with it. But I could be wrong. | ||
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
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Fushin
France193 Posts
Let them fix this between themselves and stop this pointless drama. | ||
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zJayy962
1363 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:00 Benkestok wrote: Honestly, how dumb do you think we are? That form of typical bla bla might work, with the people around, to me, and to the rest of TL its basicly like waving a red flag. Man, french arrogance on mighty display once again. Please keep these national remarks out of this thread or you will start a shitstorm like the last game. | ||
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
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AzurewinD
United States569 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:25 Ylrahc wrote: Damn, what baffled me more was the fact that coL didn't even contact M (no, they didn't, reread statements carefully, they contacted Stephano only) As mentioned previously, as of the time of this post both Millenium and Stephano have refused to answer our emails requesting a discussion of this serious matter. Okay. I re-read it carefully. I'm not sure if you're selectively ignoring some critical words in the above sentence, or genuinely missed them, but either way you're wrong. Anything else? | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:59 Tryxtira wrote: I feel absolutely sure that neither Millenium nor coL has made any big errors in this drama. I believe Stephano himself fucked up. I hope he gets to pay for that. Seems silly to be signing contracts worth this much without thinking twice. I would have been willing to agree but Millenium's PR fuck-ups yesterday sort of change all that. Neither Millenium, nor Stephano have really explained what happened and all Millenium has done is slung mud and said they don't give a fuck because they're protected by French law. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:58 daviday wrote: Im sorry that you guys dont ear millenium side of the story , but we french all have. Since they took alot of time explaining it last night. The first time with stephano himself , and the second time with lewelys alone. Everything we say are not assumption but simple retranscription of millenium version , wich doesnt seems less credible than the team who make people signs contract overnight. You mean over 18 nights. Why are so many people forgetting this? Its critical! | ||
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Snorkle
United States1648 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:57 Apom wrote: While I do not think this is relevant (as he negotiated with half the planet), I have amended my post to reflect this. What you have included is not the fact that is pertinent to the case so I can see why you thin it doesnt matter. There were 18 days of contract negotiations specifically between Mil Col and Stephano. Your first point makes it sound like out of nowhere they suddenly decided to poach Stephano in the middle of the night... which is incorrect. | ||
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SwEEt[TearS]
Canada1575 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:58 daviday wrote: Im sorry that you guys dont ear millenium side of the story , but we french all have. Since they took alot of time explaining it last night. The first time with stephano himself , and the second time with lewelys alone. Everything we say are not assumption but simple retranscription of millenium version , wich doesnt seems less credible than the team who make people signs contract overnight. why do you keep bringing out this argument? what difference does it make that the contract was signed at 3am french time? Stephano was still awake. if [M]'s management was so scared of losing Stephano they should've made offers as long as Stephano was up. | ||
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Incursion
Canada13 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:58 daviday wrote: Im sorry that you guys dont ear millenium side of the story , but we french all have. Since they took alot of time explaining it last night. The first time with stephano himself , and the second time with lewelys alone. Everything we say are not assumption but simple retranscription of millenium version , wich doesnt seems less credible than the team who make people signs contract overnight. How do you make someone sign a contract. I'm going to assume they didn't hold a gun to his head. People need to grow up and take responsibility for their actions. All this drama could be avoided if teams waited a few days for things to settle down before making announcements. | ||
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Apom
France656 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:57 zJayy962 wrote: For the Millenium side of the story, I am merely retranscripting (and translating for some parts, as not everything that has been publicized in French has also been publicized in English) what can be found on their website, or what they said during yesterday's streamed shows.Congrats on "making it simple" with zero knowledge of either team's internal affairs. Stop making rumors/assumptions and wait for Millenium's next "official statement" and hopefully it will actually have content. If you are referring to Complexity, a late statement reads, "[they] evaluate [their] legal options with French counsel.", a notion which was completely absent before. He also admitted on these very forums that there may be holes in Stephano's contract, in regards of French law. | ||
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Gwal
Spain20 Posts
On September 21 2011 01:57 Medrea wrote: As far as we can tell Complexity did everything by the book and in front of Mill. They didn't. Llewellys (Mill Manager) said on Millenium TV Stream that he was aware of various teams speaking with Stephano. That's all. According to him, there wasn't any offer / counteroffers bidding war, because coL didn't even bother to speak with Millenium staff ... They just spoke with Stephano (for many days), and convince him to sign during night time in EU If that's going by the book ... | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
You didn't say anything in this OP | ||
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Sighstorm
Netherlands116 Posts
coL would have likely been the best team for Stephano to shine as a Sc2 star, but i can imagine it's quite a hard decision to go full time pro and sacrifice other stuff in life. Especially if his parents aren't supportive of his decision (= speculation)(and don't understand the potential Stephano has to win a lot (of money)), they probably had another future in mind for him. We need to remember that eSports is not a long term career and this kid is still 18. (I'm not saying that signing a contract and than changing his mind was smart, but i have a feeling this wasn't completely his own decision. Ultimately i just hope Stephano will be happy with whatever decision he makes, and for my personal interest i hope that decision will be to persue progaming so that i can see this amazing player play.) | ||
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SgtPepper
United States568 Posts
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SwEEt[TearS]
Canada1575 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:02 skYfiVe wrote: Why does almost every french poster on Mill's side have less than 15 posts? Do they only post on Millenium's posts because of some sort of national pride issue or what... They haven't told the public anything yet, so whatever they are telling the French isn't really helping. having only slightly messed with the french scene I can only say this: they're keeping it to themselves. when you hear them talk about the "french esports scene", it's tournaments that have at least 95+% french players and is only casted in french. they make no effort to reach out or go international. so it's quite obvious TL means nothing to them and they just post on french sites. My guess is someone posted "hey, they're bashing [M] and Stephano, go support them by making an account on TL and defend them" on all french sites. that'd be why most of what they say makes no sense | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 21 2011 02:08 Gwal wrote: They didn't. Llewellys (Mill Manager) said on Millenium TV Stream that he was aware of various teams speaking with Stephano. That's all. According to him, there wasn't any offer / counteroffers bidding war, because coL didn't even bother to speak with Millenium staff ... They just spoke with Stephano, and convince him to sign during night time in EU If that's going by the book ... Simply put. I don't believe them. Complexity came right out with their side of the business. Millenium has yet to make a statement outside of this hippy-dribble they call a statement. | ||
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