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Xplitcit
United States419 Posts
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ZestyPickle
United States104 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:02 gulbanana wrote: that's how the law works, yes. should courts go by the "spirit of an agreement"? it's unworkable. in this case, we're not talking about minor loopholes either, but massive, fundamental problems. Of which you have no knowledge on. You are still wrong.Stop. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:01 najreteip wrote: Why not? Going to university at 18 seems pretty normal to me I was gonna say, I'm at university right now and I'm 17, studying at uni at 18 isn't out of the norm at all.. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:01 Teael wrote: And tbh, unless there comes a surprising turn of events, stephano and mill's reputation amongst the international community is near dirt level anyway. And sure, he can just "hang around" french events, but if one day stephano wants to move on to an international team, NOBODY will be interested in signing him, NOBODY. I don't think this will have much impacts on Stephano itself. Teams are always willing to take good players, pretty much regardless of their background (read Major). | ||
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Marsupian
Netherlands455 Posts
I think we should also forgive Stephano for his mistake and cut him some slag. I'm sure he didn't mean to sign and/or dodge a contract and start this drama. Let the teams resolve the legal issues and let Stephano focus on playing the game which gives us so much enjoyment. | ||
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keioh
France1099 Posts
1) Drama. 2) then stupid and inappropriated nationalism. 3) suddenly, Lawyers. Thousands of them. Everywhere. 4) More drama and nationalism. Expectation : modlocking in 30 min at most. | ||
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Bubulefou
France29 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:54 Insane wrote: Regardless of the result of where Stephano ends up and whether Complexity gets compensated for this, I hope the red things above mean that Millenium doesn't get invited to leagues and people boycott them  . What an absolutely terrible attitude to display from a manager of a team.Yes, Millenium has lost something after this day : a lot of fans. This kind of behaviour is "killing esport" but I think the person responsible of this mess is Stephano. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:55 blade55555 wrote: Wow he really said that? Jesus sounds like a horrible team manager and just lol thats why they don't' care what the international scene thinks because they don't plan on sending him to international tournaments. Another person here said he said the opposite. Do not blindly trust a random person taht writes on a forum lol. | ||
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Kaedeleus
France20 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:01 jarrydesque wrote: Wow Millennium. So bad. Wow CoL. So bad.  | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Common sense. MLG Orlando, and IPL are certainty plus an invite to a yet-to-be-announced tournament. You will eat your words. | ||
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Thurken
961 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:53 Thugtronik wrote: Tbh this is the part that bothers me the most in all of this. Stephano is a fucking amazing player an should be given the opportunity to compete in as many international events as possible Don't worry about that part. This is an english translation of an oral conversation. I heard the opposite (he could go 1-2 month in korea and attend major event like MLG, DH, IPL). Time will tell... | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
On September 20 2011 06:59 Heazy wrote: "He's only 18, he didn't know any better" -- Here in America you're an adult when you turn 18, when do you grow up in France? Apparently never. "He was tired" -- And? How stupid are you French people that you sign contracts at 3AM? This thread is a good example of why the world hates France. Bunch of wussy cry babies. Out of context. But could we have a ban on people spewing nationalist insults like that? It's getting out of hand... On the case of Stephano I just want to know one thing : if he would himself be in trouble or if only Millenium could. My impression is that only Millenium could really be in trouble and most Stephano would be is having to pay ridiculously low tax? | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
Oh wait, Pacquiao didn't sign a contract. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:03 archonOOid wrote: where are the moderators? this thread needs cleaning up. On behalf on sensitive and cautious TL members posting discretion is advised. I thought that Chill was posting, and then said he's not posting anymore (idk if he's looking at it) because he says to wait 2 days before posting or something ... o_o' | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:00 Erythro73 wrote: Legal or not (I won't state of this, I'm a scientist and have no deep-understanding of the laws), I don't care. I just lost all respect from Stephano and Millenium alltogether. This behavior is wrong and unprofessional. When I sign something, I give my words I'm gonna honor it following the terms of the contract. There's no way around it. It's called being adult. Or a man (macho version). I'm with you, and this kind of stuff isn't ever good for eSports, it just puts doubt into the minds of sponsors. Hey Coke wants to sponsor new player X! wait, nm they decided not to for fear of losing face to player X saying "no just kidding" after Coke posts huge announcement on Coke.com. | ||
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Teael
United States724 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:03 Roggay wrote: I don't think this will have much impacts on Stephano itself. Teams are always willing to take good players, pretty much regardless of their background (read Major). I suppose.... But this whole thing just seems reaaallly shady, mostly and especially because mill hasn't made a proper statement... Makes you wonder what really happened... | ||
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
On September 20 2011 07:00 PantsB wrote: So your position is that the team manager already spent a great deal of time explaining everything and even if he didn't explain anything he doesn't care what the international community thinks anyhow? I've seen nothing to suggest that a French National signing an employment agreement with a non-French entity (such a Complexity) would be covered by French Labor Law. If I (as an American) signed a contract to work in Singapore as a factory worker I would not be entitled to a US minimum wage. The work week in France is 35 hours, but if an employee were to work in the United States the expected work week would be 40 (unfortunately). And if a Brazilian were to immigrate to the United States he or she would be subject to US employment law. According to French Wiki, a probationary period is option and must be explicit in order to apply. According to this professional athletes are considered "fixed term employees" under EU law which obviously would seem the closest fit to pro SC2 player. This supports Col's claims about the contract I think Mil doesn't want to lose one of their few (arguably only) relevant players and used personal pressure to convince Stephano to back out and are trying to bluster their way out of the contract. Also it was not an employment contract it was a contractor contract, and different laws apply, im pretty sure the labor laws the french are referring too applies to employment contracts, but this is something entirely different. | ||
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TBK
Jamaica8 Posts
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