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Lack of content, flaming (of the French or anyone) and useless posts will be punished. Please keep it from being too inflammatory and keep discussion on-topic. -semioldguy (p.103)

Update: Please read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267506#1 and continue the discussion there.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#881
Poll: What is the ethical choice for Stephano to make?

Side with EG (76)
 
48%

Side with coL (47)
 
30%

Side with Mill (35)
 
22%

158 total votes

Your vote: What is the ethical choice for Stephano to make?

(Vote): Side with coL
(Vote): Side with Mill
(Vote): Side with EG

memes are a dish best served dank
MuB
Profile Joined November 2010
United States95 Posts
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#882
On September 20 2011 05:06 ravemir wrote:
Can anyone who understands fluent French listen to the stream and report what the guy is saying?

http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv


In short he finds it very funny that they wanna sue.
MandoRelease
Profile Joined October 2010
France374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:11:46
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#883
On September 20 2011 05:01 Macpo wrote:
Apparently, French law allows any worker to retract from a contract within 30 days.

To give my 2 pence opinion, why couldn't someone change his mind? Every one does. and here it does not have any serious consequences. There isn't much at stake, no big deal, no money loss... just promises and business honour (i.e. nothing). Of course, Col are disappointed, but no one is dead.


In the case of a buying contract, it is my understanding that it is only 7 days.
But I don't really understand all that legal business, so I don't care.

I find Stephano's behaviour shameful, I'm completely on Col's side. Never been a Stephano fanboy, even though I'm french, and that sure is not going to happen now. Millenium also seems to have a very questionnable behaviour in the matter.
When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground. Huge IMLosirA fan.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#884
Millenium and Stephano are completely in the wrong here. One more than the other perhaps, though I wouldnt know whom. Either way I didnt really care much for mill before coz I only have that much time in a day and now I never will. Stephano on the other hand I did care about to the extent I could but now meh, just another player. Talented he is though, such a shame it had to go down like this.
Do you really want chat rooms?
IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#885
On September 20 2011 05:06 danson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:04 Koorb wrote:
BTW, Millenium's manager is saying on stream right now that he doesn't intend to send Stephano in international event more than he used to, and will focus on the french scene.



yeah that booming french scene, where players grow and prosper.


ya it is quite sad... from what ive seen he has tremendous talent and potential. missing out on becoming a true top level international player and growing in korea will be a huge missed opportunity. Not only that, the incident with the contract will certainly be a black mark on his career in the future.

However, as the french would say... c'est la vie
"Get your shit done... THEN party" - NonY
Benga
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)471 Posts
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#886
Good news.I really wished Stephano to stay in a french team.
Millenium had to sign a contract if they were that rich before complexity intervened.
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Tehs Tehklz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States330 Posts
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#887
On September 20 2011 05:08 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 04:51 Megiddosc wrote:
If what the coL site posted is true, then Stephano and Millennium lost a lot of fans. Despicable.


I dont care what contract stuff happens, i like Stephano for his PLAY and his personality.
why do such things affect ppl so much, i dont get it


Because this reflects on his personality. Like this:

On September 20 2011 05:09 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
The fact that they're trying to hide behind the fact that it is non-binding at all doesn't even matter to me. A man's word should be his bond. Obviously, this doesn't work in the legal world and I understand if he finds a way to get out of the contract, that doesn't mean he'll regain me as a fan.


If he really signed a contract and then just decided "eh, I don't wanna" that shows he is immature and can't be trusted. Not exactly the kind of personality that is very likable.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-19 20:13:27
September 19 2011 20:11 GMT
#888
On September 20 2011 05:10 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:04 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 05:03 XRaDiiX wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:58 Medrea wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:55 XRaDiiX wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:52 SnoLys wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:34 gullberg wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:33 Lunas wrote:
On stephano´s Stream they sayd no contract had been signed and Millinium made 1 last offer in the last minut and comlexity was to fast to anounce it

Yeah and Stephano/his fans aren't biased at all.

Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano.

So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe?


Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity.

Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity.



3rd times the charm


I dont think you have any idea what you are talking about. Just take a break, cold shower, fap if necessary, then come back and see what happens.



Stephano Changed his mind the next day... or soon after..

This probably means he was pressured into signing and if multiple people who posted here are right about French law then CoL. cannot sue Stephano and/or Millenium for Changing his mind because there is a 1 month grace period since the beginning of contract initiation. If he did indeed bind himself to a Contract.

And if CoL wants to take Legal action against Millenium they have bad intentions in mind since Stephano probably never wanted to be on Team Complexity.. reason being he ended up choosing to stay with Millenium...


I think you keep missing the part where he had 18 nights, 18 cold showers, 18 fap sessions to think it over. That is not what we call "pressured"


All that is fine.... right up until a binding contract is executed, which it was.

Totally Uncalled for 18 Fap Sessions? -_- Not cool

This is Stephano's Choice he wants to stay with his French Team millenium Maybe he got scared and changed his mind because he would be Home Sick


Thats fine up until they sign a binding contract, which he did.


User was temp banned for this post.
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marcmtlca
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada15 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#889
I don't quite see why everyone is up in arms. If his actions were legal under french law then we shouldn't blame him for making a decision which is legal and which he thinks is best for him. Obviously it's a less than ideal situation, but it seems as though Stephano was allowed to change his mind about signing with Complexity and did and that's all there is to it.

If anything, Complexity should have looked into the legal implications of signing a contract with a French citizen and been more discrete about the possible move. If they hadn't jumped the gun and announced that he was joining right away, this could have been avoided.

You can't fault an 18yr who is being pulled from both sides for changing his mind, if said change is completely legal according to the law he is familiar with.

Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#890
On September 20 2011 05:08 gullberg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 05:02 Megiddosc wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:59 XRaDiiX wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:57 Fionn wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:55 XRaDiiX wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:52 SnoLys wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:34 gullberg wrote:
On September 20 2011 04:33 Lunas wrote:
On stephano´s Stream they sayd no contract had been signed and Millinium made 1 last offer in the last minut and comlexity was to fast to anounce it

Yeah and Stephano/his fans aren't biased at all.

Who isn't? CoL will be biased to CoL, Mil will be biased to Mil, Stephano will be biased to Stephano.

So far CoL has a history of contract "misfortunes", with Destiny, vvvTitan and now Stephano. So who to believe?


Exactly my thoughts and people thought i was crazy for Calling CoL a sneaky snake when this is the 3rd time this 'Situation' has Happened with Complexity.

Stephano was probably pressured into signing .. This is obviously apparent when Stephano so quickly changed his mind and/or didn't feel the contract was what he agreed to and/or was deceived by Complexity.



3rd times the charm


What misfortunes with Destiny? He didn't want to be on the team, they were cool with it, and they went their separate ways. Did they force Destiny to give them money to get out of his contract?


Stephano Doesn't want to be on the Team and it appears with the laws in France... Stephano can legally breach/break his contract within 1 month of the legally binding day.

Right, but Destiny didn't use his contract with Complexity as leverage to sign with another team.

THAT is the despicable thing done by Stephano. He simply used coL

Nothing wrong with trying to get a higher salary, which was the situation beforehand with all the counter offers. It's the whole signing part that's fucking stupid.

Exactly. Hence the "using his contract with Complexity as leverage".
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#891
On September 20 2011 03:34 Naniwa wrote:
funny that people even discuss whether its right or wrong by stephano, he broke the contract to get more money from millenium. its that simple ; )


hahaha nani is sooo right. i wonder how much stephano got...
Daeno
Profile Joined June 2007
Canada76 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#892
Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, yet another black eye for sc2 "esports". Way to make us look good you selfish pricks.
eauxlune
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
43 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#893
If Mill has the audacity to hide behind the borders of their country instead of approach the community and the coL team with respect, it would be absolutely appalling. They're sitting on a stream spewing slander about this whole incident.

This is hands down one of the most unprofessional teams on the eSports scene.
Koorb
Profile Joined March 2011
France266 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#894
On September 20 2011 05:06 ravemir wrote:
Can anyone who understands fluent French listen to the stream and report what the guy is saying?

http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv


Lwl states again that there is a signed contract between Stephano and coL, but that the contract wasn't complying with french labor law, that millenium staff showed the loopholes of the contract to stephano, and that stephano therefore decided to cancel his agreement.
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Erectum
Profile Joined August 2010
France194 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#895
Basicly it's impossible to go to trial for this kind of stuff from USA to France.
ArnaudF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France993 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#896
Btw it's Millenium not Millennium, god damnit!
My heart aches with pain, When I see you I vomit, Die away from me
piknic
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada59 Posts
September 19 2011 20:12 GMT
#897
This is why you don't do business with the french.

User was warned for this post
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
September 19 2011 20:13 GMT
#898
I'm just curious, does Stephano live at home? If so maybe his parents talked him into it or something.

Makes sense that they don't want him flying around the world playing if they are the usual protective parents that don't really know what SC2 is ^^.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
September 19 2011 20:13 GMT
#899
The more I hear from Millenium's managers the more I understand why ToD decided to go for FnaticMSI.
/commercial
FaRess
Profile Joined September 2010
Tunisia937 Posts
September 19 2011 20:13 GMT
#900
Live Report : The manager stated that this is not happening because stephano was trying to get the best offer
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