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On September 20 2011 23:44 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:35 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 23:27 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:24 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 22:59 Merlimoo wrote:
It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, I was thinking the very same thing about the aw shucks he didn't mean to sign it, he is just a kid, it was late, he didn’t have a good night sleep, he didn’t sign with an EU approved felt pen made in France and dipped in Ink from Portugal so it means nothing apologists  If you want to quote, have the honesty to quote everything or signal that it was cut. Congratz! You've level up in "Mainstream media ninja technic"! I apologize I don't think I edited out anything of importance so here is the complete quote. I will Bold the part I removed as I didn't think it had anything to do with his point. It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, Durp! Durp! Maybe it's because I'm not native and that I'm english is really bad... Too bad then.
I will stop this conversation, before I get banned for being too mean in a try to educate people. (edit for spelling) Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is: A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract. What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable time ? Really ? I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then...
This is a bad example... You are insinuating she works as a sex slave? For one any contract made regarding illegal activity (such as forced prostitution) will not be upheld... And secondly when there is unconscionable dealing ( one party is taking advantage of a disability/disadvantage of another that is not in their best interest) you can argue this and attempt to have the contract void. There are also industry standards such as minimum wages, health insurance ect.
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On September 20 2011 23:48 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:46 Zalithian wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is:
A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract.
What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable moment ?
Really ?
I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then...
Really don't even know how to respond to this. Obviously the point of a contract is to get what you want in writing, so.. what's your point? Once again: the fact that she has signed the contract in a vulnerable time, and that she clearly didn't want that in her real state of mind, automatically void the contract in France. Is this clear enough ? Or what again ?
But is there any kind of indication that such is the case with stephano? Unless there is, your example is just a straw man.
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On September 20 2011 23:48 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:46 Zalithian wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is:
A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract.
What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable moment ?
Really ?
I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then...
Really don't even know how to respond to this. Obviously the point of a contract is to get what you want in writing, so.. what's your point? Once again: the fact that she has signed the contract in a vulnerable time, and that she clearly didn't want that in her real state of mind, automatically void the contract in France. Is this clear enough ? Or what again ?
And it relates to this situation how? Stephano wasn't vulnerable, unless you can prove it otherwise. According to a couple sources, Stephano had offers from several teams and chose to sign with CoL.
Honestly though, probably her fault for not reading the contract. Sure, it would be a bad situation, but that is the point. You're supposed to *gasp* read a contract before signing it. You make sure that you get what you want in and and are okay with what is in it. You don't sign one, then say you don't like it and it doesn't matter. Defeats the entire purpose of a contract.
Not very knowledgeable on legal matters and contracts, but if she were mentally ill when she signed it or under the influence of drugs, maybe it would be able to be voided.
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To be fair, a contract is a contract and i dont care how old you are. you sign to play for someone you shut up and do it. in 12 months, or when complexity decide they don't want you anymore, you can go back to your team.
Man up and honour your contract.
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On September 20 2011 23:51 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:44 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:35 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 23:27 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:24 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 22:59 Merlimoo wrote:
It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, I was thinking the very same thing about the aw shucks he didn't mean to sign it, he is just a kid, it was late, he didn’t have a good night sleep, he didn’t sign with an EU approved felt pen made in France and dipped in Ink from Portugal so it means nothing apologists If you want to quote, have the honesty to quote everything or signal that it was cut. Congratz! You've level up in "Mainstream media ninja technic"! I apologize I don't think I edited out anything of importance so here is the complete quote. I will Bold the part I removed as I didn't think it had anything to do with his point. It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, Durp! Durp! Maybe it's because I'm not native and that I'm english is really bad... Too bad then.
I will stop this conversation, before I get banned for being too mean in a try to educate people. (edit for spelling) Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is: A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract. What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable time ? Really ? I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then... This is a bad example... You are insinuating she works as a sex slave? For one any contract made regarding illegal activity (such as forced prostitution) will not be upheld... And secondly when there is undue influences (due to the power balance one party is taking advantage of another that is not in their best interest) you can argue this and attempt to have the contract void. There are also industry standards such as minimum wages, health insurance ect.
It is a job as a waiter in a specific outfit, and you add health insurance if you want. It does not change the main problem. She was not able to make the decision at that time.
If this kind of case in the not covered by law in your country, I don't really care actually. It is juste to emphasize that you should not be too quick to make a judgment in such complicated case.
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Col announced that they will try to get the advices of a french attorney, but unfortunatly they don't have any chance to win the trial beacause an american contract without retraction clause on the french territory isn't valid in france
And just to clear thing out FRENCH DOESN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO BREAK CONTRACTS, if stephano had start working for CoL he wouldn't have been able to break the contract, And I highly doubt the contract that he sign started yesterday at 4:30AM, so every speculation regarding the assumed ability for french player to break contract is bullshit...
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On September 20 2011 23:55 jib60 wrote:
Col announced that they will try to get the advices of a french attorney, but unfortunatly they don't have any chance to win the trial beacause an american contract without retraction clause on the french territory isn't valid in france
And just to clear thing out FRENCH DOESN'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO BREAK CONTRACTS, if stephano had start working for CoL he wouldn't have been able to break the contract, And I highly doubt the contract that he sign started yesterday at 4:30AM, so every speculation regarding the assumed ability for french player to break contract is bullshit...
The point is, they does not care about that. That are just angry because the big team did not won the big player for once.
To be clear, I totally don't care of Stephano's team. I don't even watch his games.
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On September 20 2011 23:49 jib117 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:44 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:35 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 23:27 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:24 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 22:59 Merlimoo wrote:
It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, I was thinking the very same thing about the aw shucks he didn't mean to sign it, he is just a kid, it was late, he didn’t have a good night sleep, he didn’t sign with an EU approved felt pen made in France and dipped in Ink from Portugal so it means nothing apologists If you want to quote, have the honesty to quote everything or signal that it was cut. Congratz! You've level up in "Mainstream media ninja technic"! I apologize I don't think I edited out anything of importance so here is the complete quote. I will Bold the part I removed as I didn't think it had anything to do with his point. It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, Durp! Durp! Maybe it's because I'm not native and that I'm english is really bad... Too bad then.
I will stop this conversation, before I get banned for being too mean in a try to educate people. (edit for spelling) Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is: A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract. What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable time ? Really ? I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then... First of all that isn't anything like what happened. This contract was discussed for an extended period of time and the decision wasn't made rashly due to a fit of rage or anger. But regardless if the contract was explained to the girl and she still decided to sign it then yes she committed to that job and should follow through with her commitment.
Not that what he said actually has anything to do with the situation regarding Stephano, but what you are advocating is basically indentured servitude.
And it relates to this situation how? Stephano wasn't vulnerable, unless you can prove it otherwise. According to a couple sources, Stephano had offers from several teams and chose to sign with CoL.
Honestly though, probably her fault for not reading the contract. Sure, it would be a bad situation, but that is the point. You're supposed to *gasp* read a contract before signing it. You make sure that you get what you want in and and are okay with what is in it. You don't sign one, then say you don't like it and it doesn't matter. Defeats the entire purpose of a contract.
Not very knowledgeable on legal matters and contracts, but if she were mentally ill when she signed it or under the influence of drugs, maybe it would be able to be voided.
Millions of people sign contracts every day without understanding EXACTLY what is you they are getting in. In fact, I would say a large majority of people even committed this act when they signed the contract with Blizzard to play SC2. How angry would you be in Blizzard banned you, or a friend, from playing SC2 without reason? Because they can do that under ToS you agreed to.
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Guys! Stephano were not even part of the team for 1min.
coL is angry just because of one post on their website. Nobody really care...
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On September 20 2011 23:59 Merlimoo wrote:
Guys! Stephano were not even part of the team for 1min.
coL is angry just because of one post on their website. Nobody really care...
After all your posts, I find it hard to believe that you're not trolling
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On September 20 2011 23:54 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:51 Ryder. wrote:On September 20 2011 23:44 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:35 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 23:27 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:24 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 22:59 Merlimoo wrote:
It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, I was thinking the very same thing about the aw shucks he didn't mean to sign it, he is just a kid, it was late, he didn’t have a good night sleep, he didn’t sign with an EU approved felt pen made in France and dipped in Ink from Portugal so it means nothing apologists If you want to quote, have the honesty to quote everything or signal that it was cut. Congratz! You've level up in "Mainstream media ninja technic"! I apologize I don't think I edited out anything of importance so here is the complete quote. I will Bold the part I removed as I didn't think it had anything to do with his point. It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, Durp! Durp! Maybe it's because I'm not native and that I'm english is really bad... Too bad then.
I will stop this conversation, before I get banned for being too mean in a try to educate people. (edit for spelling) Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is: A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract. What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable time ? Really ? I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then... This is a bad example... You are insinuating she works as a sex slave? For one any contract made regarding illegal activity (such as forced prostitution) will not be upheld... And secondly when there is undue influences (due to the power balance one party is taking advantage of another that is not in their best interest) you can argue this and attempt to have the contract void. There are also industry standards such as minimum wages, health insurance ect. It is a job as a waiter in a specific outfit, and you add health insurance if you want. It does not change the main problem. She was not able to make the decision at that time. If this kind of case in the not covered by law in your country, I don't really care actually. It is juste to emphasize that you should not be too quick to make a judgment in such complicated case.
Well contracts CAN be made void of it is obvious one party took advantage of a disability of another; it is called unconscionable dealing (sorry I mistook it for undue influence in my original post). Also your example is extremely vague; most employment contracts do not have a period of time you are locked in for, unlike teams signing athletes/progamers. And wait so she IS meeting minimum standards such as health insurance and minimum wage? If she isn't then the contract is illegal and will not be enforced, if she is then whats the problem?
As I said most employment contracts don't lock you in for a specific period of time, your example is just ridiculous :/ you cannot compare them in any way.
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Alot of ppl are getting off topic, we shouldn't be getting angry at a nationality for their contract clauses or at ESports teams who give them. The problem here isn't that he is declining a contract, it's that it was signed and then not respected. The problem here is Stephano, who accepted something he shouldn't have after 19 days of negotiation and explanation.
I think it's just rly wasting a lot of CoL's time and setting a poor example for how eSports transactions should be done. These teams are trying to make eSports grow and prosper, they are trying to get financial aid from sponsorship deals. If breaking a contract, no matter where your from, becomes acceptable, how are sponsors like thelittleappfactory or Monster or Intel, whatever, supposed to trust that the team they accept to sponsor won't dissolve at any given second. Or that the player they specifically sponsor chooses not to compete for the team they signed with, what about their contracts, their obligations?
This isn't just about a kid making a stupid decision anymore, it's about eSports becoming what we all want it to be. It's about integrity in a still unstable and new commercial medium. I think Stephano should be penalized, either financially or by being banned from tournaments for a certain amount of time. CoL doesn't want him anymore, they are being very clear about that. All they want is to insure that contracts are respected so that we can grow as a culture without any more of this childish behavior.
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Not the mention that he has previously said to Millenium that he will stay with them.
Even in the US, an oral contract, is a contract. So the Millenium one was beforehand and a work contract is not valid if the employee is already under contract. Case closed.
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On September 20 2011 23:09 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:05 Vul wrote:On September 20 2011 22:59 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 22:55 Vul wrote:On September 20 2011 22:39 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 22:35 rO_Or wrote:On September 20 2011 21:59 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 21:47 Ryder. wrote:On September 20 2011 19:46 Apom wrote:On September 20 2011 13:53 Ryder. wrote:
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As I said, I don't know shit about French law, if they have some dodgy loopholes to help people avoid their contractual obligations good for them.
But in most countries breach of contract IS illegal and you are legally obliged to either fulfill the contract or pay damages.
Of course the severity of the act is nothing close to murder, why the fuck would you try and act like it is? The point is both of these actions are illegal, and you can't just let one of them go unpunished because it is less severe.
As I said I am going by what is law in Australia (as well as a lot of other places). If French law lets you get out of this then fine, but the point I was addressing is that you think it's ok for 18 year olds to renege on their promises because they feel like changing their mind, and that is wrong*.
*excluding gay loopholes in French law
Edit: Just because it is a 'commonplace, unsurprising event' doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences.
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You can bet your ass future, prospective teams won't though... I'm sure it will factor into their decisions in the future. How aren't you banned for this yet ? :/ Also, people who are saying that you can evade contractual obligations under French law are starting to get annoying. As a general rule, you can't. Someone said you have seven days to change your mind about buying a house : that is true, but is an exception. This provision, known as droit de repentir (right to renege ?), only applies to a set of specific contracts, of which buying a house is one, but Stephano's contract certainly is not. A related clause, known as période d'essai (trial period ?), can be specified in employment cotnracts, but it is not mandatory nor implicit. The only way for Stephano to evade his contractual obligations with coL is if the contract is deemed illegal in the first place. While it certainly doesn't qualify as a proper employment contract under French law (for numerous reasons - coL even somewhat admitted to this), it is designed as an international contract, and it may very well be legal as such, especially under Texan law (which it defines as its ruling law). The last issue here is enforceability. If the contract is deemed legal by the Texan judge (which is very likely), and the French judge deems it an illegal employment contract (which is also very likely), then the contract will be null on French soil. What can be done if, and when, Stephano sets foot in the US, is another matter. Lol trust a french poster to insist I should be banned for that... It was clearly a tongue-in-cheek comment, you really think I should be banned about making a snide joke about French law? Particularly since most people in this thread (excluding the French of course) think that this kind of loophole IS stupid due to the way their respective legal system works... Your post is interesting though, there are a lot of posts ( especially from French posters) say that because of French law he IS able to squirm out of the contract due to this '7 day cool-off period' and there is nothing coL is able to do about it. So it is interesting that you (as a French poster) seem to insist that he isn't able to get out of it. Do you have any special knowledge of law that gives you this opinion? Also why would a French judge classify it as illegal employment contract? (Genuine questions, I am just interested as every other French poster has said that Stephano will be able to get out of this contract). Is it a cultural habit to put words in the mouth of others ? Before it get worse, with frenchies vs world none sens, please note that many of "french" posts were just saying that we have some laws that can IN SOME CASES be more protective of the people instead of the corporation, that have an all mighty power in the US culture. And I'm pretty sure that we are not the only ones... Anyway, as such, signing a contract in not the end of the story. Please note, that we (as everybody here) dont know sh** about Stephano's one. So please stop saying that we are sure that he can escape his mistakes. As every balanced human being would think, if everything was done correctly, by no means he can escape this, except the fact that is would be pretty stupid from coL to recrut somebody that does not want to be there. Personal trollish note: + Show Spoiler +
As the US culture is, I think they just want a some financial compensation, for having managed to get a click on a website from a guy far far away...
This has nothing to do with the US and corporations. This has to do with integrity. In the US (not too sure about France) when you sign a contract it is assumed that you did your research beforehand and knew what you were signing to. Once you have given your signature it is confirmation that you have READ, UNDERSTAND, and AGREE to the terms you have signed. This is the way business works, either in a large multimillion dollar corporation or in the smallest independently run store. If you have read the thread until then, please, try to envision the fact that the whole world does not necessarily work like in the US. And by all mean, thanks god. Are you really trying to say that in France, when you sign a contract, it's actually assumed that you didn't read, understand and agree to the terms? In that case, what do you think it means to sign a contract? I'm pretty sure in France it would mean the same thing, unless France is actually some kind of alternate universe. Also not sure why you would 'thanks god' that contracts are apparently meaningless in France. Imagine you signed a housing contract, but right after you move in you get kicked out for no reason. "This isn't the U.S., buddy! Contracts don't mean the same thing here!" But I'm pretty sure things don't work that way in France, either. Would be hilarious if they did. It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, Durp! Durp! Maybe it's because I'm not native and that I'm english is really bad... Too bad then. I will stop this conversation, before I get banned for being too mean in a try to educate people. Hahaha, yea it's because I'm American and not because what you're saying is obviously wrong. If only I were French I would be able to understand the subtle nuances of your enlightening argument. You're just too smart for all of us, man. Just for you  "It's because you are a special little boy, you know ? You are very special..." And maybe because you talk sh** instead of reading what people have said before you woke up.
I've read damn near this entire thread. It's impossible to get a clear story about what French contract law actually is, because people are saying different things, and I don't know that anyone actually knows what they're talking about.
Regardless, it sounds like coL can't/won't sue anyway, so it's a moot point. At this point it's clear that Stephano is going to be playing for M+, but he's lost a lot of international (non-French) fans, that's for sure.
The original point was that when you sign a contract, that should be an expression of your understanding and agreement with the terms. Even if it is legal to back out of a contract right after you sign it, people are still going to look at that negatively. Maybe it doesn't cost coL any actual money, but it is embarrassing, disappointing and totally unnecessary.
You seemed to disagree with that point, which I find weird. You then attributed that to me being American, which I think is blatantly false. If I were Canadian I wouldn't see things any differently.
The second point I was trying to make is that if people actually did this on a regular basis (and again, I'm sure in France, despite what you're saying, this doesn't actually happen) it would be a regular cluster fuck. Imagine that for every contract you sign with anyone, you never know if, on the next day, it will just be terminated.
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On September 20 2011 23:44 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:35 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 23:27 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:24 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 22:59 Merlimoo wrote:
It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, I was thinking the very same thing about the aw shucks he didn't mean to sign it, he is just a kid, it was late, he didn’t have a good night sleep, he didn’t sign with an EU approved felt pen made in France and dipped in Ink from Portugal so it means nothing apologists If you want to quote, have the honesty to quote everything or signal that it was cut. Congratz! You've level up in "Mainstream media ninja technic"! I apologize I don't think I edited out anything of importance so here is the complete quote. I will Bold the part I removed as I didn't think it had anything to do with his point. It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, Durp! Durp! Maybe it's because I'm not native and that I'm english is really bad... Too bad then.
I will stop this conversation, before I get banned for being too mean in a try to educate people. (edit for spelling) Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is: A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract. What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable time ? Really ? I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then...
So through your extreme example you are saying Col was trying to exploit this poor child ?
I would suggest Mil is the one exploiting in this case.
First off all we know about the details of the contract are
#1 He would have been one of the highest paid SC 2 players. So that is hardly $2 a day, and id does not seem like Mil beat that offer so if it is $2 Mil is paying him <$2
#2 He would have the opportunity to travel and train in Korea This would increase his skill/exposure which in the long run which would in turn make him more money. - Mil said stepahno will be focusing on the "French SC2 scene" I don't know of many top players going to France to get better at SC2
#3 He would have the opportunity to compete in large foreign tournaments. This would give him the chance at significant prize money and again increase his name/exposure to make him more money in the long run. - Mil said stepahno will be focusing on the "French SC2 scene" , I don't remember any large prize tournaments the consistently take place in France
So it seems that Stephano is taking less money for salary, has less opportunity to get better with training and will not be able to go to as many foreign touraments losing out on that prize money and exposure with the Mil deal. So now which company is exploiting the player again?
Or to go back to your crude analogy, instead of going off to college on a full scholarship to get an education and countless opportunities your confused 18yr old is staying in their small town with their highschool friends because it is comfortable and maybe she will take a class online and work at the McDonalds down the street for some money. But hey she can hand out with her friends.
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On September 20 2011 23:50 Merlimoo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:49 jib117 wrote:On September 20 2011 23:44 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:35 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 23:27 Merlimoo wrote:On September 20 2011 23:24 mechavoc wrote:On September 20 2011 22:59 Merlimoo wrote:
It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, I was thinking the very same thing about the aw shucks he didn't mean to sign it, he is just a kid, it was late, he didn’t have a good night sleep, he didn’t sign with an EU approved felt pen made in France and dipped in Ink from Portugal so it means nothing apologists If you want to quote, have the honesty to quote everything or signal that it was cut. Congratz! You've level up in "Mainstream media ninja technic"! I apologize I don't think I edited out anything of importance so here is the complete quote. I will Bold the part I removed as I didn't think it had anything to do with his point. It's astonishing to see the amount of US citizen that really can't be open minded and listen/understand to what we say to them. Just because it's not like that at home, Durp! Durp! Maybe it's because I'm not native and that I'm english is really bad... Too bad then.
I will stop this conversation, before I get banned for being too mean in a try to educate people. (edit for spelling) Correct me if I'm wrong. What you are trying to say is: A little girl from nevada, just got 18y old, got kicked out of her home after a fight with her parents. All her dreams seemed compromised and she does not know how to make for a living. She met a guy that propose her a job full of promises, sign a contract that said : "You are going to work in a foreign country for $2 a day in a mini skirt and without health insurance.". Obviously that is not what she wanted in her life and try to void the contract. What you said is, she should honor it, screw her life for a good speech in a vulnerable time ? Really ? I mean: REALLY ??!!?? wtf then... First of all that isn't anything like what happened. This contract was discussed for an extended period of time and the decision wasn't made rashly due to a fit of rage or anger. But regardless if the contract was explained to the girl and she still decided to sign it then yes she committed to that job and should follow through with her commitment. Then, your laws do not protect your citizens. Nothing else to say.
Wrong. Because there is min wages, health and safety procedures and a multitude of other standards that the employer must provide/meet for it to be a valid and not be sued/shut down. None of which your example meets.
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coL could just have waited for the player to actually start playing and get along with the team, before making an early publication. It is like they were bragging.
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On September 21 2011 00:01 Merlimoo wrote:
Not the mention that he has previously said to Millenium that he will stay with them.
Even in the US, an oral contract, is a contract. So the Millenium one was beforehand and a work contract is not valid if the employee is already under contract. Case closed.
Saying you will stay with them does not make it a contract :/ you need an intention to be legally bound, sufficient agreement on all important terms (consensus) and consideration (both parties need to gain something out of it).
Please stop spamming this thread with nonsense :/
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On September 20 2011 23:54 wraggy1234 wrote:
To be fair, a contract is a contract and i dont care how old you are. you sign to play for someone you shut up and do it. in 12 months, or when complexity decide they don't want you anymore, you can go back to your team.
Man up and honour your contract.
Yeah well, you're not in his situation, if you started a job that you thought you would like, signed for 2 years, and realize two weeks later that you hate it, would you say :
1) "I have to man up and honour my contract and loose 2 years of my life"
2) "ffs i have to find away to get the fuck out, let's talk to my manager"
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Millions of people sign contracts every day without understanding EXACTLY what is you they are getting in. In fact, I would say a large majority of people even committed this act when they signed the contract with Blizzard to play SC2. How angry would you be in Blizzard banned you, or a friend, from playing SC2 without reason? Because they can do that under ToS you agreed to.
I wouldn't consider clicking I accept to play a video game on par with signing a life altering contract, but hey. whatever.
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