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Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:09:46
September 18 2011 13:07 GMT
#861
Pretty worrying how few strong foreigners are attending this MLG and how many Koreans are. Very little non-North America/Korean representation, unless a bunch of them are turning up for the open bracket.

Ret's probably Europe's best hope. Socke's great but thats a horrible group to fight through. Maybe the liquids TLO, Haypro and Jinro (presuming he attends through open) can raise there game. And theres always hope demuslim can blitz his way into pool play.


akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
September 18 2011 13:07 GMT
#862
i can't see bomber losing to anyone
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
September 18 2011 13:08 GMT
#863
I think MKP will be in open bracket :D
ssartor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States129 Posts
September 18 2011 13:10 GMT
#864
hopefully we can get a better mixture of races in the final 8 this MLG
"If you don't know, the thing to do is not to get scared, but to learn." — Ayn Rand (Atlas Shrugged)
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
September 18 2011 13:14 GMT
#865
Kinda intrigued to see how the July vs DongRaeGu match goes.

Both these players are renowned for there ZvT and aggressive playstyle, but neither of them have shown to be particuarly stellar in ZvZ

HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:22:35
September 18 2011 13:18 GMT
#866
Who the hell decides that 3 Koreans, a code S foreigner and one of the top foreigner get in one pool, while pool A is a guy recovering from an injury, someone in a total slump, one fan favorite Korean, a guy with no results in SC2 at all and drewbie who hasn't performed since 2010?

Seriously, I want to know why this is so retardedly stacked. I feel like the people from MLG need someone with a better feel for current player level when they decide on these groups. Especially since the pools still meet eachother later in the bracket, without ever meeting people from the other pools unless they make it to top 6+ (A faces D exclusively and C faces B exclusively, right?)
two.watup
Profile Joined March 2011
United States371 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:21:07
September 18 2011 13:19 GMT
#867
The fact that more and more Koreans are showing up means that the competition is getting that much more serious.

Not to call out any names, but when pretty much non-competitive players were being seeded into pool play, it just made the games look terrible. Now we can expect everyone to pretty much play well, and anyone who doesn't is in danger of losing their spot to someone noticably better.

Look at these brackets and tell me it isn't hard to pick a top 8. You've got Bomber, DRG, Puma, MC, July, HuK, Boxer, Rain, HongUn, Ret, Socke, Kiwi, IdrA, and everyone else who consistently places well.

I definitely think the skill gap is closing, would have loved to have Thorzain back, after how amazing he played at Dreamhack. It's inspiring to see foreigners play that well, after an age of Korean isolationism.


On September 18 2011 22:18 HoldenR wrote:
Who the hell decides that 3 Koreans, a code S foreigner and one of the top foreigner get in one pool, while pool A is a guy recovering from an injury, someone in a total slump, one fan favorite Korean, a guy with no results in SC2 at all and drewbie who hasn't performed since 2011?

Seriously, I want to know why this is so retardedly stacked. I feel like the people from MLG need someone with a better feel for current player level when they decide on these groups. Especially since the pools still meet eachother later in the bracket, without ever meeting people from the other pools unless they make it to top 6+ (A faces D exclusively and C faces B exclusively, right?)

They're decided by seed. Have you never watched an MLG before?
AWakefield
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada420 Posts
September 18 2011 13:21 GMT
#868
Holy group D batman. Im scared for all involved.
HoldenR
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands256 Posts
September 18 2011 13:25 GMT
#869
On September 18 2011 22:19 two.watup wrote:
The fact that more and more Koreans are showing up means that the competition is getting that much more serious.

Not to call out any names, but when pretty much non-competitive players were being seeded into pool play, it just made the games look terrible. Now we can expect everyone to pretty much play well, and anyone who doesn't is in danger of losing their spot to someone noticably better.

Look at these brackets and tell me it isn't hard to pick a top 8. You've got Bomber, DRG, Puma, MC, July, HuK, Boxer, Rain, HongUn, Ret, Socke, Kiwi, IdrA, and everyone else who consistently places well.

I definitely think the skill gap is closing, would have loved to have Thorzain back, after how amazing he played at Dreamhack. It's inspiring to see foreigners play that well, after an age of Korean isolationism.


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On September 18 2011 22:18 HoldenR wrote:
Who the hell decides that 3 Koreans, a code S foreigner and one of the top foreigner get in one pool, while pool A is a guy recovering from an injury, someone in a total slump, one fan favorite Korean, a guy with no results in SC2 at all and drewbie who hasn't performed since 2011?

Seriously, I want to know why this is so retardedly stacked. I feel like the people from MLG need someone with a better feel for current player level when they decide on these groups. Especially since the pools still meet eachother later in the bracket, without ever meeting people from the other pools unless they make it to top 6+ (A faces D exclusively and C faces B exclusively, right?)

They're decided by seed. Have you never watched an MLG before?


Yes, I have. But the way they've decided their seeds makes no sense. Scroll up to see the A1 > B2 > C3 > D4 > D5 > C6 > B7 > A8 one.

Either way, the MLG seeding system is completely broken. This is destroying pool play, because the fact is the games in group D are two levels above group A.
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 13:38:44
September 18 2011 13:36 GMT
#870
On September 18 2011 20:56 akalarry wrote:
how were the pools created? i looked at the seeding, and if they based it off that, it looks kind of random... then again i'm not too familiar with different kinds of ways you can create pools from rankings.


There is nothing random in the seeds.

RowA: 3 4 5 8
RowB: 13 11 10 9
ETC.

A normal seed by Ranking Position. You must quit the player that dont participate (1 Naniwa, 2 MMA, 6 Sjow, 7 Select, 12 MVP, etc.).

So each group have one player from 3-8 ranking, one player from 9-13 ranking, etc. In both directions for a equally difficult.
choopakabra
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
September 18 2011 13:39 GMT
#871
Goup A (idra,boxer) and C(Machine) are the easiest ones.
Choopakabra EU
Gh86
Profile Joined June 2011
646 Posts
September 18 2011 13:39 GMT
#872
On September 18 2011 22:36 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:56 akalarry wrote:
how were the pools created? i looked at the seeding, and if they based it off that, it looks kind of random... then again i'm not too familiar with different kinds of ways you can create pools from rankings.


There is nothing random in the seeds.

RowA: 3 4 5 8
RowB: 13 11 10 9
ETC.

A normal seed by Ranking Position. You must quit the player that dont participate (1 Naniwa, 2 MMA, 6 Sjow, 7 Select, 12 MVP, etc.).

So each group have one player from 3-8 ranking, one player from 9-13 ranking, etc. In both directions for a equally difficult.


Also, separate the Korean invites, they are seeded via GSL points, A to D, lowest to highest respectively.
decotta
Profile Joined August 2011
Argentina43 Posts
September 18 2011 13:42 GMT
#873
Group D is so hard!
voy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland348 Posts
September 18 2011 13:42 GMT
#874
inControl again 0 wins? well, probably ;p

we gonna see korean bracket again though
I'm a man with a dream. And I look good in jeans. graphic designer looking for freelance work.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
September 18 2011 13:45 GMT
#875
The ranking is a joke.. the pools so unevenly distributed due to that... I mean look at group A with TLO, Haypro, Idra and Drewibie??? somehow I see post-korea Drewbie winning that group handily, but he wouldn't take a game off a single player in group D.. quite unfair imho.
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
September 18 2011 13:47 GMT
#876
Well on one hand no SeleCT, SjoW and nAni makes me sad, but on the other hand really happy, 'cause they're practizing their asses off in Korea ^_^
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
September 18 2011 13:59 GMT
#877
On September 17 2011 08:57 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 08:56 ninjamyst wrote:
On September 17 2011 08:52 Demoe wrote:
On September 17 2011 08:47 MooLen wrote:
dont misunderstand me but why is incontrol still in the pools???

Because he is on EG


EG = $$$

because EG's money has anything to do with MLG's point system



How does sending your whole roster to every event to pick up valuable seeding points (when there are no koreans), in a system that rewards consistent attendence, not equate a team's wealth to MLG points?
Socke Fighting!!!!
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-18 14:10:14
September 18 2011 14:05 GMT
#878
On September 18 2011 22:36 haitike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 20:56 akalarry wrote:
how were the pools created? i looked at the seeding, and if they based it off that, it looks kind of random... then again i'm not too familiar with different kinds of ways you can create pools from rankings.


There is nothing random in the seeds.

RowA: 3 4 5 8
RowB: 13 11 10 9
ETC.

A normal seed by Ranking Position. You must quit the player that dont participate (1 Naniwa, 2 MMA, 6 Sjow, 7 Select, 12 MVP, etc.).

So each group have one player from 3-8 ranking, one player from 9-13 ranking, etc. In both directions for a equally difficult.


well incontrol is rank 12/seeded 8 (while haypro is rank 13/seeded 9). by what you're saying, incontrol should be in row b, and not row c

in addition sheth, seeded 11th (rank 16 mlg) is in the fourth row, which I would think goes to ppl seeded 13-16th

that's why it looks random to me
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
September 18 2011 14:06 GMT
#879
On September 18 2011 22:39 Gh86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 22:36 haitike wrote:
On September 18 2011 20:56 akalarry wrote:
how were the pools created? i looked at the seeding, and if they based it off that, it looks kind of random... then again i'm not too familiar with different kinds of ways you can create pools from rankings.


There is nothing random in the seeds.

RowA: 3 4 5 8
RowB: 13 11 10 9
ETC.

A normal seed by Ranking Position. You must quit the player that dont participate (1 Naniwa, 2 MMA, 6 Sjow, 7 Select, 12 MVP, etc.).

So each group have one player from 3-8 ranking, one player from 9-13 ranking, etc. In both directions for a equally difficult.


Also, separate the Korean invites, they are seeded via GSL points, A to D, lowest to highest respectively.


koreans are seeded via mlg points, except for july/hongun as they came through invites and don't have high enough mlg points.
MonDeW
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark369 Posts
September 18 2011 14:06 GMT
#880
I really hope that TLO can do good in this group. Group D Seems to be the group of death this time around. This seems to be decent groups nethertheless :D
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