• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:23
CET 12:23
KST 20:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage9Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down23
StarCraft 2
General
Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top? Liquibets sc2 season 30 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon
Tourneys
RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament iNu's Battles #22 SC4ALL: II Venue Change Announcement!
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Starcraft 2 Advance [G] How to playtest arcade maps [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool [BW] Looking for Clan Thread! [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy)
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 11799 users

Do you macro like a pro? - Page 24

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 63 Next
proteininja
Profile Joined February 2011
United States57 Posts
September 16 2011 22:27 GMT
#461
I love you. Please, someone make this into an sc2gears plugin.
We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
September 16 2011 22:31 GMT
#462
On September 17 2011 07:04 Tolvinar wrote:
I am a low diamond player. After using this equation for my last 20 games, my average SQ was 71. I went 9-11 in that stretch of 20 games and strangely enough my average SQ for games that I won was 66 and for games that I lost was 74. I seem to play better in the games that I lose.

this is actually an expected result, in games you lose you tend to spend every bit of resources you have to stay alive, but since your income is behind your opponents you lose anyway in the end, but on average your unspent resources was very low.
I'm better today than I was yesterday!
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 16 2011 22:32 GMT
#463
ended up with an sq of 83 over 15 games... TTwTT need to spend money better

it's definitely easier to spend money in mech TvT; i ended up with an SQ of 97 for a 38 minute tvt, so terrans could get a higher SQ based on whether they go bio or mech for tvt
XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
September 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#464
On September 17 2011 07:27 proteininja wrote:
I love you. Please, someone make this into an sc2gears plugin.


Not possible because SC2Gears can't calculate income or unspent resources as that needs the game engine, would be cool thuogh.
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 22:39:05
September 16 2011 22:38 GMT
#465
Great analysis. My only gripe would be that a big part of the reason why Grandmaster have much better macro, is because they are better in all the other area's of the game, like decision making and unit management during battles, which in tern makes their macro better (ie: not losing worker, having to build extra units etc)

The data helps to define "standard" play, but simply macro'ing like a Grandmaster, will not make you a grandmaster.... in fact, unless you have Grandmaster micro and decision making, there is no way you can have grandmaster macro, because your opponent won't let you.

www.KoshkaTV.com
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
September 16 2011 22:45 GMT
#466
Really awesome work can't wait for it to be integrated into sc2gears.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
September 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#467
On September 17 2011 01:23 GowraK wrote:
Holy in-depth analysis batman! I am loving this!


^^ This is absolutely fascinating sir! Thank you so much for taking the time too do this, I'm gonna go see what my SQ is right now!
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
Kovaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada233 Posts
September 16 2011 22:48 GMT
#468
I'm in diamond, and my average SQ is 66.2. Seems about right. Funnily enough, my highest individual SQ (105) was from a game I got 6pooled and lost (didn't count it in the average). Also I had a couple of 40's from 30-40 minute games where I was banking money hard.
softan
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:02:31
September 16 2011 22:52 GMT
#469
To those that dont know how to calculate the standard error of the mean. In the SQCalc.xls document put this into a cell of your choosing =STDEV((E3:E22))/(SQRT(COUNT(E3:E22)))
If you fill the list of 20 games it should work, if you don't fill the list of games you'll have to change e22 to whatever cell you stopped at.
If you have a big discrepency in your SQ from game to game I recommend you to calculate this as it gives you an idea of the margin of error.
Also I suggest you don't pick and chose which games you want on the list, just use the 20 latest games with 600 or above income otherwise you'll end up with skewed results, doing this and instead being aware of the standard error of the mean is a better way to go about it.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
September 16 2011 22:55 GMT
#470
wooow.
that is impressive!!!
should be stickied or put on the news imo
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
September 16 2011 23:01 GMT
#471
Holy shit, this is amazing.

Also, I was expecting Terran to be the lowest amount of workers produced, because of mules.

Interesting.
Zerg delenda est.
Prygleren
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark1 Post
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#472
I made a more 'complete' spreadsheet for you guys to use, took me about an hour.
Enjoy the statistics!

Jeppes SC2 SQ Calc.xlsx
http://www.mediafire.com/?hq6psch8hbkfa2f
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:17:10
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#473
82.6 from my last 20 1on1s
my best was 109, my worst 60

cruising around rank 80-150 in european gm.
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#474
Mid-Master and my average for my last 30 games with over a 600 income was ~70

Not too bad I suppose, now my goal is to be IdrA-like
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#475
Amazing read, very high analysis incorporated and very well written. Thank you very much for this!
C r u m b l i n g
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
September 16 2011 23:13 GMT
#476
Good gawd. SQ is fantastic. It's really friggin' cool to have such a number that in some way relates directly to your skill. Maybe someday we'll have people comparing SQ with their buddies to see where they stand, instead of APM!

Cheers, poster! Thanks for the thread
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9016 Posts
September 16 2011 23:14 GMT
#477
This is so sick, so much analysis and awesome information!
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
September 16 2011 23:16 GMT
#478
Props to OP. Hopefully after taking a break for a few days, there will be continued work/refinement of this project?
Less money for casters, more money for players.
Vronti
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States111 Posts
September 16 2011 23:18 GMT
#479
That was an amazing post, I am very impressed, love the SQ, should help me set a lot more manageable goals. I wasn't able to get a very big sample size (I only have 5 wins in 1v1), but my average ended up being around 60, (I'm platinum league). Seems about right, very encouraging as well. Keep this awesome analysis up (and I submitted a replay to Skillcraft, that is an awesome project).
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." — Confucius
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
September 16 2011 23:18 GMT
#480
On September 17 2011 07:37 XenoX101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 07:27 proteininja wrote:
I love you. Please, someone make this into an sc2gears plugin.


Not possible because SC2Gears can't calculate income or unspent resources as that needs the game engine, would be cool thuogh.

I couldn't calculate it, but it could probably take it from the post-game numbers and just plug those into the equation and keep a running average.
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
Prev 1 22 23 24 25 26 63 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 37m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2594
BeSt 2131
firebathero 1260
Horang2 796
Hyun 374
Jaedong 359
actioN 264
Mini 252
Rush 228
Shuttle 199
[ Show more ]
Leta 195
Soulkey 182
Stork 130
Light 129
Last 126
EffOrt 101
ZerO 95
Zeus 85
Snow 82
Pusan 75
Mind 65
Larva 56
hero 35
ToSsGirL 33
ProTech30
Killer 27
Free 26
Bale 24
Sharp 18
Hm[arnc] 17
soO 16
sorry 16
zelot 15
Movie 12
sOs 10
Dota 2
monkeys_forever169
XcaliburYe64
Counter-Strike
olofmeister827
shoxiejesuss671
Other Games
singsing1093
ceh9495
Lowko303
byalli240
XaKoH 230
Fuzer 173
crisheroes169
B2W.Neo145
Mew2King138
KnowMe84
ArmadaUGS44
Railgan27
ZerO(Twitch)12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick492
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 25
lovetv 6
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 47
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt461
Upcoming Events
INu's Battles
37m
ByuN vs Classic
IntoTheiNu 60
3D!Clan Event
5h 7m
The PondCast
22h 37m
KCM Race Survival
22h 37m
WardiTV Invitational
1d
OSC
1d 11h
Ultimate Battle
2 days
OSC
2 days
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
IPSL
3 days
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
[ Show More ]
BSL
3 days
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
IPSL
4 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
BSL
4 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-09
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 951
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.