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proteininja
Profile Joined February 2011
United States57 Posts
September 16 2011 22:27 GMT
#461
I love you. Please, someone make this into an sc2gears plugin.
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Roblin
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden948 Posts
September 16 2011 22:31 GMT
#462
On September 17 2011 07:04 Tolvinar wrote:
I am a low diamond player. After using this equation for my last 20 games, my average SQ was 71. I went 9-11 in that stretch of 20 games and strangely enough my average SQ for games that I won was 66 and for games that I lost was 74. I seem to play better in the games that I lose.

this is actually an expected result, in games you lose you tend to spend every bit of resources you have to stay alive, but since your income is behind your opponents you lose anyway in the end, but on average your unspent resources was very low.
I'm better today than I was yesterday!
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 16 2011 22:32 GMT
#463
ended up with an sq of 83 over 15 games... TTwTT need to spend money better

it's definitely easier to spend money in mech TvT; i ended up with an SQ of 97 for a 38 minute tvt, so terrans could get a higher SQ based on whether they go bio or mech for tvt
XenoX101
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia729 Posts
September 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#464
On September 17 2011 07:27 proteininja wrote:
I love you. Please, someone make this into an sc2gears plugin.


Not possible because SC2Gears can't calculate income or unspent resources as that needs the game engine, would be cool thuogh.
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 22:39:05
September 16 2011 22:38 GMT
#465
Great analysis. My only gripe would be that a big part of the reason why Grandmaster have much better macro, is because they are better in all the other area's of the game, like decision making and unit management during battles, which in tern makes their macro better (ie: not losing worker, having to build extra units etc)

The data helps to define "standard" play, but simply macro'ing like a Grandmaster, will not make you a grandmaster.... in fact, unless you have Grandmaster micro and decision making, there is no way you can have grandmaster macro, because your opponent won't let you.

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Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
September 16 2011 22:45 GMT
#466
Really awesome work can't wait for it to be integrated into sc2gears.
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
September 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#467
On September 17 2011 01:23 GowraK wrote:
Holy in-depth analysis batman! I am loving this!


^^ This is absolutely fascinating sir! Thank you so much for taking the time too do this, I'm gonna go see what my SQ is right now!
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
Kovaz
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada233 Posts
September 16 2011 22:48 GMT
#468
I'm in diamond, and my average SQ is 66.2. Seems about right. Funnily enough, my highest individual SQ (105) was from a game I got 6pooled and lost (didn't count it in the average). Also I had a couple of 40's from 30-40 minute games where I was banking money hard.
softan
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:02:31
September 16 2011 22:52 GMT
#469
To those that dont know how to calculate the standard error of the mean. In the SQCalc.xls document put this into a cell of your choosing =STDEV((E3:E22))/(SQRT(COUNT(E3:E22)))
If you fill the list of 20 games it should work, if you don't fill the list of games you'll have to change e22 to whatever cell you stopped at.
If you have a big discrepency in your SQ from game to game I recommend you to calculate this as it gives you an idea of the margin of error.
Also I suggest you don't pick and chose which games you want on the list, just use the 20 latest games with 600 or above income otherwise you'll end up with skewed results, doing this and instead being aware of the standard error of the mean is a better way to go about it.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
September 16 2011 22:55 GMT
#470
wooow.
that is impressive!!!
should be stickied or put on the news imo
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PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
September 16 2011 23:01 GMT
#471
Holy shit, this is amazing.

Also, I was expecting Terran to be the lowest amount of workers produced, because of mules.

Interesting.
Zerg delenda est.
Prygleren
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark1 Post
September 16 2011 23:03 GMT
#472
I made a more 'complete' spreadsheet for you guys to use, took me about an hour.
Enjoy the statistics!

Jeppes SC2 SQ Calc.xlsx
http://www.mediafire.com/?hq6psch8hbkfa2f
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 23:17:10
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#473
82.6 from my last 20 1on1s
my best was 109, my worst 60

cruising around rank 80-150 in european gm.
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
September 16 2011 23:05 GMT
#474
Mid-Master and my average for my last 30 games with over a 600 income was ~70

Not too bad I suppose, now my goal is to be IdrA-like
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
September 16 2011 23:12 GMT
#475
Amazing read, very high analysis incorporated and very well written. Thank you very much for this!
C r u m b l i n g
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
September 16 2011 23:13 GMT
#476
Good gawd. SQ is fantastic. It's really friggin' cool to have such a number that in some way relates directly to your skill. Maybe someday we'll have people comparing SQ with their buddies to see where they stand, instead of APM!

Cheers, poster! Thanks for the thread
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
September 16 2011 23:14 GMT
#477
This is so sick, so much analysis and awesome information!
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
September 16 2011 23:16 GMT
#478
Props to OP. Hopefully after taking a break for a few days, there will be continued work/refinement of this project?
Less money for casters, more money for players.
Vronti
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States111 Posts
September 16 2011 23:18 GMT
#479
That was an amazing post, I am very impressed, love the SQ, should help me set a lot more manageable goals. I wasn't able to get a very big sample size (I only have 5 wins in 1v1), but my average ended up being around 60, (I'm platinum league). Seems about right, very encouraging as well. Keep this awesome analysis up (and I submitted a replay to Skillcraft, that is an awesome project).
"By three methods we may learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; and third by experience, which is the bitterest." — Confucius
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
September 16 2011 23:18 GMT
#480
On September 17 2011 07:37 XenoX101 wrote:
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On September 17 2011 07:27 proteininja wrote:
I love you. Please, someone make this into an sc2gears plugin.


Not possible because SC2Gears can't calculate income or unspent resources as that needs the game engine, would be cool thuogh.

I couldn't calculate it, but it could probably take it from the post-game numbers and just plug those into the equation and keep a running average.
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