On September 14 2011 15:07 JunkkaGom wrote: Here's full translation of TIG article(I'll leave Korean names untranslated, as it's pain in the ass to write them in English) :
The Super Tournament Champion 최성훈 will leave OptimusPrime behind and return to Polt.
Prime coach, 박외식(GerradPrime) announed on 14th that 최성훈 is leaving Prime and will act as an indepedant player.
최성훈 has been consistently participating GSL since Open Season 1, and won first chapionship for Prime in LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament and was presented the name OptimusPrime.
최성훈 who's been in Prime for about a year, left the team expressing he wants changes and will act as an independant player.
Prime coach 박외식 said "I am thankful to 최성훈 who has been with Prime since Open Seasons, and as he's a player who is dilligent in everything, I have faith that he will continue to be competitive even after he leaves the team" and added “For now I have made this decision believing that respecting 최성훈's opinion is more beneficial, but I hope to keep good relationship withi him and have him back in Prime in the future"
As result 최성훈 will not be part of Prime in upcoming 2011 GSL Season 6 Code S which will hold group nomination on 15th.
I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
As far as what I'm hearing he's going to remain teamless for a while. No transfers as far as I know. He has a semester left in college so perhaps he's trying to finish that up.
Wow that's pretty surprising, I guess that finishing up college will be his priority for awhile and then once he finishes that he can get onto whatever team he wants?
On September 14 2011 14:06 Milkis wrote: As far as what I'm hearing he's going to remain teamless for a while. No transfers as far as I know. He has a semester left in college so perhaps he's trying to finish that up.
given he's won 100 million won i'd do the same thing in his shoes lol
The article does say he cited 'a need for change' as reason for leaving. I mean, he's got the money and the education to fall back on, so it doesn't really surprise me that he left. I don't see him joining another team for a while.
NO. One of my favorite players leaving my favorite team and changing back his ID after I finally got used to calling him Optimus.
This is crazy, though. First really huge free agent in a long time. Best TvP'er in the world, Super Tournament champion, and some of the best micro, too. If he gets picked up by a team with terrans that can teach him to get better in mech and expand his macro, he could become like MVP.
Dear god, Polt on Slayers with MMA would be frightening.
NOOOOOO!!!! The prime brother trio of manlove has been BROKENN TT HOW COULD POLT BETRAY HIS BROMANCERS!??? MakaPoltKing I will miss the harmony and tournament results whenever you guys entered together!!
Whoa, Prime just lost its best player. Pretty shocking.
It'd take kind of a morbidly funny turn if he joined either SlayerS or EG... But based on the timing I'd guess he's planning to focus less on the scene due to school. As a spectator, that's a shame, but it's good that he's defined his priorities and not half-assing anything.
I was hoping MMA would finally overcome his white whale, but I suppose Polt's break may let him grow his confidence to the point where he won't be read like a book.
Seems like he's going the gg99slayer route and he wants to use his prize money to support himself in school. Great for him, I hope his future goes well, whether it's SC related or not.
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
Yea - Chinese casters at NeoTV are pretty quick to point out Polt is not your average joe in intellect. He gets A+'s and is top of Korea in terms of his academic achievements. Big brain inside that creature with a great smile. All the best to Polt!
that's my take on the situation. it personally believe that more koreans are getting involved in the foreign scene and are seeing money in foreign teams.
On September 14 2011 14:09 Xxavi wrote: Never was fan of any Prime player in general and Polt in particular. They seem all cheesy to me. Even MKP has a lot of games that finish too soon.
Still though, props for doing well in SC2 while studying. Hopefully, it is not detrimental to his school.
playing aggressive and having top notch control does not make one cheesy. you dont 4-0 a gsl finals with cheese.
On September 14 2011 14:19 Swad1000 wrote: Polt was the only GSL winner who was not picked for the all star match. I wonder how much his fan support has to do with this.
Never liked him or Mkp for the playstyles no matter who or how many games they won.
Polt had more votes than FruitDealer. Polt declined the all-star match like Nada, Bomber, DRG and Leenock. FD only got to go due to them declining. Also a lot of people thought he was gonna make the final, so voting for him would have been, well, useless.
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
Yea - Chinese casters at NeoTV are pretty quick to point out Polt is not your average joe in intellect. He gets A+'s and is top of Korea in terms of his academic achievements. Big brain inside that creature with a great smile. All the best to Polt!
It must a lot of fucking skill to manage being a top student and starcraft 2 pro. I can barely manage being an average student while being a less than average starcraft player.
On September 14 2011 14:20 Engore wrote: Liquid'Polt Let the speculation begin ladies and gentlemen. Good luck to Polt and all valiant teams who wish for his arrival to their brand!
Unless he just creates a new team in his own image. PoltPolt
On September 14 2011 14:19 Swad1000 wrote: Polt was the only GSL winner who was not picked for the all star match. I wonder how much his fan support has to do with this.
Never liked him or Mkp for the playstyles no matter who or how many games they won.
I hate to label him like this, but he is literally Korean Terran #52.
There are so many Terran players like him in Korea, he just doesnt stand out to many people, other than the fact that he won the Super Tournament, and even then, people talk more about MMA then Polt.
On September 14 2011 14:09 Xxavi wrote: Never was fan of any Prime player in general and Polt in particular. They seem all cheesy to me. Even MKP has a lot of games that finish too soon.
Still though, props for doing well in SC2 while studying. Hopefully, it is not detrimental to his school.
playing aggressive and having top notch control does not make one cheesy. you dont 4-0 a gsl finals with cheese.
Agreed, polt and mkp get way to much shit for not playing "standard" and waiting for that cute 200/200 army before attacking mech in TvT matchups.
"wanting to give/new change" sounds like a reason for switching to a new team, not a reason for playing less sc2 for studies, if that were the case then he would have said "i need to spend more time on my studies"
On September 14 2011 14:19 Swad1000 wrote: Polt was the only GSL winner who was not picked for the all star match. I wonder how much his fan support has to do with this.
Never liked him or Mkp for the playstyles no matter who or how many games they won.
I hate to label him like this, but he is literally Korean Terran #52.
There are so many Terran players like him in Korea, he just doesnt stand out to many people, other than the fact that he won the Super Tournament, and even then, people talk more about MMA then Polt.
The fact that he won Super tournament is kinda important, seeing as how there is only one other Terran with better results than him. Plus he has done better than MMA at every single GSL afaik
On September 14 2011 14:19 Swad1000 wrote: Polt was the only GSL winner who was not picked for the all star match. I wonder how much his fan support has to do with this.
Never liked him or Mkp for the playstyles no matter who or how many games they won.
I hate to label him like this, but he is literally Korean Terran #52.
There are so many Terran players like him in Korea, he just doesnt stand out to many people, other than the fact that he won the Super Tournament, and even then, people talk more about MMA then Polt.
What? MMA is more talked about because he's been to America, on a more popular team, and has more foreign exposure.
Just because MMA is talked about more doesn't mean MMA is better. Polt has the best TvP in the world with Bomber, great micro control, and some of the sickest bio play in the world. If he got on a team with a terran who played a more macro style, he could become a MVP type like player. His macro isn't terrible, it's quite good, but isn't up to snuff with terrans such as Bomber, TOP or MVP.
Send Polt to a MLG, and if he wins, his foreign fanbase will double.
On September 14 2011 14:19 Emporio wrote: He probably has a gf now.
Academics SC2 Girlfriend
Pick two
(But if you are a ubermensch like Polt, you get 2.5 picks)
You're pretty much on the ball with this one.
Polt had a girlfriend back when he won the Super Tournament. I remember in an interview he wished her good luck on exams.
He also didn't live in the team house and has his own place, so the change isn't going to be that difficult if he switches teams. We should find out more at the GSL selections tonight.
now we just have to see where he ends up after school. I don't think that if he was happy with prime he'd leave the team, just ask for a leave of absence due to schoolwork.
The guy is a gosu and a super committed student. He's studying Law and probably wants to be on a more relaxed schedule so he does well in his final exams. Also he has a big decision ahead of him regarding whether or not he continues to play competitively given that he's got a great career ahead of him potentially. I have to respect him for making the choice that was right for him. I don't know if that means he won't rejoin Prime.We if he makes a decision, but you never know.
This is kind of a crazy time of the year given that it's roughly 1 year after SC2 got started. Especially at the moment there would have been a lot of players on 1 year deals or close enough that a lot of them are reevaluating their options, as there teams also probably are as well. It's not surprising to see so many switches and dismissals at this point given how young the game is. I think that at this time next year it might be somewhat similar (or possibly a little crazier), but as the scene evolves and players are more tied to their contracts/teams the craziness might subside and there will be fewer moves going on.
i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's you face are twice as good as your practice partners.
Hope he doesn't become less gosu for not having a team. Good luck to him. Man.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
Are you kidding me? Polt has the best TvP in the world. The only "average" match-up he has is TvZ.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
Actually Check is a really good zerg now, beasting it up on ladder and did amazing in the up and downs. BboongBboong is pretty good too, but for protoss they are kinda weak (MKP is their strongest toss LOL)
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
Not only did you not finish this post, it wasn't even right. Polt's TvP is unarguably top 2, arguably the best in the world.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
Actually Check is a really good zerg now, beasting it up on ladder and did amazing in the up and downs. BboongBboong is pretty good too, but for protoss they are kinda weak (MKP is their strongest toss LOL)
They have HongUn! The eternally underrated protoss
On September 14 2011 14:09 Xxavi wrote: Never was fan of any Prime player in general and Polt in particular. They seem all cheesy to me. Even MKP has a lot of games that finish too soon.
Still though, props for doing well in SC2 while studying. Hopefully, it is not detrimental to his school.
So how come when Major left/was released from SixJax it wasn't on the headlines on TL's front page but when Polt left Prime, then it was listed? I know Major doesn't have the best of reputations but I'm not sure why this double standard/preferential treatment exists.
On September 14 2011 14:46 BryanSC wrote: So how come when Major left/was released from SixJax it wasn't on the headlines on TL's front page but when Polt left Prime, then it was listed? I know Major doesn't have the best of reputations but I'm not sure why this double standard/preferential treatment exists.
Polt is part of a bigger team and is much better and this is much more shocking.
On September 14 2011 14:46 BryanSC wrote: So how come when Major left/was released from SixJax it wasn't on the headlines on TL's front page but when Polt left Prime, then it was listed? I know Major doesn't have the best of reputations but I'm not sure why this double standard/preferential treatment exists.
1. Major leaves every team anyways 2. Polt is a top player on a top team
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
On September 14 2011 14:46 BryanSC wrote: So how come when Major left/was released from SixJax it wasn't on the headlines on TL's front page but when Polt left Prime, then it was listed? I know Major doesn't have the best of reputations but I'm not sure why this double standard/preferential treatment exists.
1. Prime is a bigger team 2. Polt won a GSL and just got to the semifinals of the last GSL 3. Major leaves a team every six months
On September 14 2011 14:46 BryanSC wrote: So how come when Major left/was released from SixJax it wasn't on the headlines on TL's front page but when Polt left Prime, then it was listed? I know Major doesn't have the best of reputations but I'm not sure why this double standard/preferential treatment exists.
Even though he stated that he'll remain teamless for a while, no doubt many would be eying a player of such caliber. I wonder what kind of offers that he'll get.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
Z/P in GSL?
LOL.
Yeah but regardless, Polt is a TvPROTOSS monster, not nearly so much TvT or TvZ
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
I hit post by accident and couldn't finish. the rest.
His TvP isn't bad obviously. But when better Protoss players, such as Sage, HuK, Hero, YW. play him he usually loses pretty bad. Hes good against MC, but that is usually because MC cuts a lot of corners and polt is good at punishing for that.
Again im not saying his TvP is bad, obviously it could be a lot better, and given his daily practice partners its not a shock he left.
Check is a good Z, but a bad practice partner because he has his own style.
Im not hating on the Prime Team, it just makes a lot of sense why he would leave though. Thats all im saying. Smart decision on Polt's part.
Well, he has certainly left his mark in the esports world. With his tournament winnings he should be able to go through university without being financially stressed.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
I hit post by accident and couldn't finish. the rest.
His TvP isn't bad obviously. But when better Protoss players, such as Sage, HuK, Hero, YW. play him he usually loses pretty bad. Hes good against MC, but that is usually because MC cuts a lot of corners and polt is good at punishing for that.
Again im not saying his TvP is bad, obviously it could be a lot better, and given his daily practice partners its not a shock he left.
Check is a good Z, but a bad practice partner because he has his own style.
Im not hating on the Prime Team, it just makes a lot of sense why he would leave though. Thats all im saying. Smart decision on Polt's part.
Wait whaaat? When did polt ever lose to these guys?
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
Z/P in GSL?
LOL.
Yeah but regardless, Polt is a TvPROTOSS monster, not nearly so much TvT or TvZ
On September 14 2011 14:50 renaissanceMAN wrote: maybe he realized everybody hates him for inventing the 1/1/1?
marineking invented it afaik
You certain? It was called the polt timing attack even in Beta.
It was actually named Polt's Timing Attack after he had used it to kill MC in GSL Open 1. You can say that it is a subset of 1/1/1 build, since 1/1/1 is an extremely broad terminology for a build
After that it faded away for awhile before it got modified into today 1/1/1 builds.
On September 14 2011 14:50 renaissanceMAN wrote: maybe he realized everybody hates him for inventing the 1/1/1?
marineking invented it afaik
Polt didn't strictly invent it in the form it's seen in today, but it's most definitely his bastardized grandchild. He's the one that threw the banshee/raven into the mix, IIRC.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
I hit post by accident and couldn't finish. the rest.
His TvP isn't bad obviously. But when better Protoss players, such as Sage, HuK, Hero, YW. play him he usually loses pretty bad. Hes good against MC, but that is usually because MC cuts a lot of corners and polt is good at punishing for that.
Again im not saying his TvP is bad, obviously it could be a lot better, and given his daily practice partners its not a shock he left.
Check is a good Z, but a bad practice partner because he has his own style.
Im not hating on the Prime Team, it just makes a lot of sense why he would leave though. Thats all im saying. Smart decision on Polt's part.
Wait whaaat? When did polt ever lose to these guys?
Going to venture a guess that it's probably a teamfinancial situation. Probably quite demotivating to see other korean teams send people to foreign events and look at your own team who is struggling for financial stability.
I see this happening more and more in the future, people want their cake and eat it too.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
I hit post by accident and couldn't finish. the rest.
His TvP isn't bad obviously. But when better Protoss players, such as Sage, HuK, Hero, YW. play him he usually loses pretty bad. Hes good against MC, but that is usually because MC cuts a lot of corners and polt is good at punishing for that.
Again im not saying his TvP is bad, obviously it could be a lot better, and given his daily practice partners its not a shock he left.
Check is a good Z, but a bad practice partner because he has his own style.
Im not hating on the Prime Team, it just makes a lot of sense why he would leave though. Thats all im saying. Smart decision on Polt's part.
Uh Polt is 19-5 TvP in Liquipedia . In fact he has only dropped 1 game on LAN ( GSL) and that's to SangHo. The other 4 losses came in online tournaments.
So unless you manage to spy on his custom game sessions or something , i have no idea how you can conclude that he "usually loses pretty bad" to those people you mentioned. Online is usually a different story from real GSL.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
I hit post by accident and couldn't finish. the rest.
His TvP isn't bad obviously. But when better Protoss players, such as Sage, HuK, Hero, YW. play him he usually loses pretty bad. Hes good against MC, but that is usually because MC cuts a lot of corners and polt is good at punishing for that.
Again im not saying his TvP is bad, obviously it could be a lot better, and given his daily practice partners its not a shock he left.
Check is a good Z, but a bad practice partner because he has his own style.
Im not hating on the Prime Team, it just makes a lot of sense why he would leave though. Thats all im saying. Smart decision on Polt's part.
Wait whaaat? When did polt ever lose to these guys?
He lost 0-2 against HerO in the IPL 3 qualifiers.
Hate to be one of those guys, but it's not LAN, and he probably wasn't practicing too much for it. (Especially if he was playing it while the GSL was still ongoing.) Everyone knows Polt plays far better with preparation.
Here's full translation of TIG article(I'll leave Korean names untranslated, as it's pain in the ass to write them in English) :
The Super Tournament Champion 최성훈 will leave OptimusPrime behind and return to Polt.
Prime coach, 박외식(GerradPrime) announed on 14th that 최성훈 is leaving Prime and will act as an indepedant player.
최성훈 has been consistently participating GSL since Open Season 1, and won first chapionship for Prime in LG Cinema 3D Super Tournament and was presented the name OptimusPrime.
최성훈 who's been in Prime for about a year, left the team expressing he wants changes and will act as an independant player.
Prime coach 박외식 said "I am thankful to 최성훈 who has been with Prime since Open Seasons, and as he's a player who is dilligent in everything, I have faith that he will continue to be competitive even after he leaves the team" and added “For now I have made this decision believing that respecting 최성훈's opinion is more beneficial, but I hope to keep good relationship withi him and have him back in Prime in the future"
As result 최성훈 will not be part of Prime in upcoming 2011 GSL Season 6 Code S which will hold group nomination on 15th.
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
I hit post by accident and couldn't finish. the rest.
His TvP isn't bad obviously. But when better Protoss players, such as Sage, HuK, Hero, YW. play him he usually loses pretty bad. Hes good against MC, but that is usually because MC cuts a lot of corners and polt is good at punishing for that.
Again im not saying his TvP is bad, obviously it could be a lot better, and given his daily practice partners its not a shock he left.
Check is a good Z, but a bad practice partner because he has his own style.
Im not hating on the Prime Team, it just makes a lot of sense why he would leave though. Thats all im saying. Smart decision on Polt's part.
Wait whaaat? When did polt ever lose to these guys?
He lost 0-2 against HerO in the IPL 3 qualifiers.
Hate to be one of those guys, but it's not LAN, and he probably wasn't practicing too much for it. (Especially if he was playing it while the GSL was still ongoing.) Everyone knows Polt plays far better with preparation.
Were they both playing on NA server from Korea? Because otherwise, if they're both on KR server, it's essentially the same connection as GSL "LAN".
Polt has a top 3 if not the best TvP in the world, what are you talking about? and hero beat him 2-0 because hero is insanely good and has one of the top and most innovative pvts out there.
This was surprising, bummer for prime, hopefully polt will join a godo team once he's done with university
On September 14 2011 14:42 GMonster wrote: i'd leave Prime too, the only thing hes really good at is TvT, and thats because he has MKP as a practice partner. Kind of hard to excel at the game when the Z/P's your face
What? His TvP with Bomber is head and shoulders above everyone else.
I hit post by accident and couldn't finish. the rest.
His TvP isn't bad obviously. But when better Protoss players, such as Sage, HuK, Hero, YW. play him he usually loses pretty bad. Hes good against MC, but that is usually because MC cuts a lot of corners and polt is good at punishing for that.
Again im not saying his TvP is bad, obviously it could be a lot better, and given his daily practice partners its not a shock he left.
Check is a good Z, but a bad practice partner because he has his own style.
Im not hating on the Prime Team, it just makes a lot of sense why he would leave though. Thats all im saying. Smart decision on Polt's part.
Wait whaaat? When did polt ever lose to these guys?
He lost 0-2 against HerO in the IPL 3 qualifiers.
Hate to be one of those guys, but it's not LAN, and he probably wasn't practicing too much for it. (Especially if he was playing it while the GSL was still ongoing.) Everyone knows Polt plays far better with preparation.
Were they both playing on NA server from Korea? Because otherwise, if they're both on KR server, it's essentially the same connection as GSL "LAN".
Same connection, yes, but online results != offline results. This would be like saying that beating players in the Korean Weekly means the same as beating them in the GSL, and that's completely untrue. (Though yes, the Korean Weekly is often a good indicator of skill.)
This was... entirely unexpected. I'm saddened that he left Prime, but if he has one semester left for university I can understand where he is coming from. The future of Polt is uncertain and a little bit startling... I hope he will stay around in the scene longer before he pursues his other goals after post-secondary.
Sounded as whatever change he wanted may involve joining a foreigner team or a team that has some capability of sending their players overseas. To be honest Prime hasn't really sent anyone overseas. They've done it multiple of times for MarineKing but he's always had to cancel them and they never send Polt (though not like he has the schedule to be sent).
On September 14 2011 15:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: MarineKing is better then Polt.....
Unfortunately until MarineKing can actually win a gold... I don't think so.
Speaking by results, anyways.
if you go by results MarineKing has been a lot more consistent. I don't think MarineKing is better than Polt(not recently), but he was in the finals 3 times against two players who are to this day the by far best players in world.
Anyway a bit sad Polt left Prime, I always thought the members were pretty loyal to their team especially since the interview about MarineKing being able to join IM when he was at his best. I just hope he doesn't join SlayerS and gets a good overall team.
I always kind of got the feeling that Prime and SlayerS didn't particularly like each other, so I doubt Polt will join SlayerS. I remember half of SlayerS' top terrans were practicing with MVP before the World Championships (where he beat MKP). Then MKP's sad loss to MMA in the ST ro4, followed by Polt's somewhat casual response, "MMA, ezpz" (not just the results but how he talked about them) plus MKP being able to sleep at night. Of course, this is mostly just hollow speculation.
On September 14 2011 15:12 LolitsPing wrote: I think he wants to focus on his studies. Idk, uni is intense and him going back and forth is pretty intense.
On September 14 2011 15:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: MarineKing is better then Polt.....
Unfortunately until MarineKing can actually win a gold... I don't think so.
Speaking by results, anyways.
if you go by results MarineKing has been a lot more consistent. I don't think MarineKing is better than Polt(not recently), but he was in the finals 3 times against two players who are to this day the by far best players in world.
Anyway a bit sad Polt left Prime, I always thought the members were pretty loyal to their team especially since the interview about MarineKing being able to join IM when he was at his best. I just hope he doesn't join SlayerS and gets a good overall team.
Well, I'll have to agree with you on that I suppose. MarineKing has been more consistent, though he has been slumping pretty hard up until recently. Overall I hate to compare both of them, as both are obviously the best and ace players on Prime.
And I have to also agree with the Slayers statement, please for the love of god don't join Slayers. There's nothing wrong with Slayers, but they've been recently acquiring new talents (Puzzle and Coca) and their Terran lineup is already very strong.
On September 14 2011 15:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: MarineKing is better then Polt.....
Unfortunately until MarineKing can actually win a gold... I don't think so.
Speaking by results, anyways.
if you go by results MarineKing has been a lot more consistent. I don't think MarineKing is better than Polt(not recently), but he was in the finals 3 times against two players who are to this day the by far best players in world.
Anyway a bit sad Polt left Prime, I always thought the members were pretty loyal to their team especially since the interview about MarineKing being able to join IM when he was at his best. I just hope he doesn't join SlayerS and gets a good overall team.
I'd actually say that Polt was definitely Prime's best player. Maybe not in the past when he was in school, but for the past few months? Definitely. His results lately have been consistently great minus July, where he ran into Bomber in the Ro16. MKP meanwhile has a Ro4 in the ST (getting knocked out by MMA who got easily 4-0'd by Polt), Ro32 in Code S, and second in Code A? One gold beats multiple silvers. Polt's shown he has what it takes to get 1st. MKP, not so much in the GSL What MKP has shown is that he can have deep runs in non-Code S tournaments (e.g. WC, ST, Code A), but since January, MKP's never been able to get out of the group stages.
Polt plays a similar style to MKP, but I'd say he's overall a better player because a.) he has the mental toughness required to be a champion (i.e. he doesn't choke), and b.) he has a better TvP and TvT.
On September 14 2011 15:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: MarineKing is better then Polt.....
Unfortunately until MarineKing can actually win a gold... I don't think so.
Speaking by results, anyways.
if you go by results MarineKing has been a lot more consistent. I don't think MarineKing is better than Polt(not recently), but he was in the finals 3 times against two players who are to this day the by far best players in world.
Anyway a bit sad Polt left Prime, I always thought the members were pretty loyal to their team especially since the interview about MarineKing being able to join IM when he was at his best. I just hope he doesn't join SlayerS and gets a good overall team.
I'd actually say that Polt was definitely Prime's best player. Maybe not in the past when he was in school, but for the past few months? Definitely. His results lately have been consistently great minus July, where he ran into Bomber in the Ro16. MKP meanwhile has a Ro4 in the ST (getting knocked out by MMA who got easily 4-0'd by Polt), Ro32 in Code S, and second in Code A? One gold beats multiple silvers. Polt's shown he has what it takes to get 1st. MKP, not so much in the GSL What MKP has shown is that he can have deep runs in non-Code S tournaments (e.g. WC, ST, Code A), but since January, MKP's never been able to get out of the group stages.
Polt plays a similar style to MKP, but I'd say he's overall a better player because a.) he has the mental toughness required to be a champion (i.e. he doesn't choke), and b.) he has a better TvP and TvT.
He has also shown he can have deep runs in Code S? There's not a lot of difference between #1 and #2, you're both in the finals and even though #1 is better.. getting there 3 times shows you can become #1(even if you lose to the then best TvTer in the world and barely lose to the best Zerg in the world). Not that it was a fluke run like many other finalists.
Anyway this thread isn't about MarineKing so I'll leave it at that.
On September 14 2011 15:18 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: MarineKing is better then Polt.....
Unfortunately until MarineKing can actually win a gold... I don't think so.
Speaking by results, anyways.
if you go by results MarineKing has been a lot more consistent. I don't think MarineKing is better than Polt(not recently), but he was in the finals 3 times against two players who are to this day the by far best players in world.
Anyway a bit sad Polt left Prime, I always thought the members were pretty loyal to their team especially since the interview about MarineKing being able to join IM when he was at his best. I just hope he doesn't join SlayerS and gets a good overall team.
I'd actually say that Polt was definitely Prime's best player. Maybe not in the past when he was in school, but for the past few months? Definitely. His results lately have been consistently great minus July, where he ran into Bomber in the Ro16. MKP meanwhile has a Ro4 in the ST (getting knocked out by MMA who got easily 4-0'd by Polt), Ro32 in Code S, and second in Code A? One gold beats multiple silvers. Polt's shown he has what it takes to get 1st. MKP, not so much in the GSL What MKP has shown is that he can have deep runs in non-Code S tournaments (e.g. WC, ST, Code A), but since January, MKP's never been able to get out of the group stages.
Polt plays a similar style to MKP, but I'd say he's overall a better player because a.) he has the mental toughness required to be a champion (i.e. he doesn't choke), and b.) he has a better TvP and TvT.
He has also shown he can have deep runs in Code S? There's not a lot of difference between #1 and #2, you're both in the finals and even though #1 is better.. getting there 3 times shows you can become #1(even if you lose to the then best TvTer in the world and barely lose to the best Zerg in the world). Not that it was a fluke run like many other finalists.
Anyway this thread isn't about MarineKing so I'll leave it at that.
No, MKP hasn't shown he can have deep runs in Code S minus the first Code S tournament where he got second to MVP. Past January, he has never gotten out of a Code S group stage. This is fact. I am not making this up, and you can check Liquipedia for his record.
All MKP has shown is that he can get 2nd in non-Code S GSL tournaments for the most part. Polt has meanwhile shown that he can actually win a non-Code S GSL tournament and also consistently make it out of the Code S group stages. MKP has been in a slump for the past few months and is still recovering his form; this is not a secret. A Polt-who-is-on-fire (i.e. Optimus) > a slumping MKP. I don't know how anyone could dispute that.
In any case, I hope Polt finishes up his studies in good time and with good scores (good enough to exempt him from military service? ) and gets picked up by a strong team that can help him brush up on his macro. Hopefully not SlayerS, because some diversity would be nice.
Why do people think Polt is going to SlayerS? That's like the least likely outcome. With a deep T lineup already SlayerS has very little to gain by picking up another T, even a skilled T like Polt.
I hope Polt is going teamless, deciding that Prime responsibilities (modeling for zzang? in-house practice requirements) cut into school time too much and he continues to play in GSL while finishing school.
Heck, might even be the case if the Prime coach thinks he may return. University Terran Hwaiting!
No more optimusprime jokes from tastosis in the october season Oh well if I had 100 million won I'd probably quit the game, finish school and than come back, he still does both, it just seems he doesn't have the time to be part of a team and finish school.
On September 14 2011 16:19 etrensce wrote: Why do people think Polt is going to SlayerS? That's like the least likely outcome. With a deep T lineup already SlayerS has very little to gain by picking up another T, even a skilled T like Polt.
This is so true!! Honestly whatever team picks him up better have some deep pockets because this guy is one of the best, Liquid could be cool but i dont see them having enough cash for polt if they couldnt keep huk. Maybe EG if their balance sheet can afford it but i honeslty believe FXO or Dignitas or MOUZ will pick him up if they are foreign since they are the ones with pockets deep enough to afford a player like polt maybe even Col.MvP
To the people saying Polt should go to Slayers, that would be really weird IMO. Polt has been a thorn in the Slayers side for a while. He beat MMA in the finals of ST, and in the most recent Code S. He's eliminated Alicia, and Boxer from GSL runs. And he's eliminated Min twice and Puzzle once from the IPL qualifiers.
I would much rather see some Slayers start taking him down, than for him to join the team. And Slayers has enough terrans as it is.
This is quite unfortunate for the Prime team, losing one of the most successful players. Hopefully Polt continues to be competitive and practice while he is independent. Would not mind seeing him on a foreign team in the future if the right opportunity were to arise for him. Well hope for the best for both Prime and Polt and see how this progresses in the future.
polt to MVP is my pick. EG have bought big already this year with HuK and puma and have idra on the pay role to not sure how much money they have but thats 3 top players already. I dnt think slayers as they have a lot of terrans already Im have MVP and startale has Bomber. oGs could be another option but less likly with top and supernova and im sure he got asked by another team first. its interesting and will look forward to seeing where he goes
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
This is huge oO Would never have thought he "would leave his best friend MKP "behind". Any news which team will pick him up? Does SlayerS need another Terran? Is TSL still recruiting? ^^
He's totally being bought by a foreign team. I just hope he doesn't join one of the few foreign teams that I like since I have hated polt ever since he showed the world what a handful of stimmed marauders can do to a nexus in 3 seconds.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
He won a title, made the Ro16 (lost to Bomber) and then made the semifinals this season. That's better than Nestea (Ro16, Winner, Ro16) and MVP (Ro32, Ro32, Winner) in their last three tournaments. The guy is consistent.
I wouldn't be surprised if he bombs out of this GSL though if he is really putting all his efforts into school. His results only started to get as good as they are now when summer started and he didn't need to worry about university as much.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
MMA prior to the super tournament finals was the most overrated player ever. Somehow beating July, Losira and a bunch of foreigners convinced people that MMA was the best terran in the world.
Im surprised he outright left the team. I expected some kind of limited participation due to school (SU is REAL serious buisness). I doubt he joins another team. PoltPrime will return. For now its just gonna be Polt.
Hmm, but we still dont have info what he means by bigger chalenge? Does he mean irl aka university, or in starcraft? Alot of interesting guessings and comments in this topic i must admit. He is really specific player, one could say underrated, with big lack of fans, does he care about that? Id personaly like to know.
i d be worry for the bottom skill players of eg such as incontrol or idra because if eg keeps hiring good players they might think the release the less skilled ones coL Idra inc
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
Polt is my favorite Terran by far, Jinro in 2nd place, and I found the trash talk funny and cute. Too bad to see him leave Prime.WE, hopefully he will join another team right away and continue playing I'd hate to see him stop playing and get behind.
i dont think he is brave (or anything like that) enough, to pull of a EU/NA-Team. but the news and his statement sounds quite like that! so i go for EG.Polt
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
gotta agree with this, he's very under rated and people call him bad.
On September 14 2011 18:06 MooMooMugi wrote: Is this news saying hes leaving Code S entirely or just leaving his team but still in GSL as a independent player?
Independent player in GSL
The best prime player at anyone time would have the optimus name, not just a one off thing.
I've never really been a fan, hope he does okay somewhere else, his play has seemed dated recently, a bit like MKP, a little lost perhaps.
On September 14 2011 18:06 MooMooMugi wrote: Is this news saying hes leaving Code S entirely or just leaving his team but still in GSL as a independent player?
Independent player in GSL
The best prime player at anyone time would have the optimus name, not just a one off thing.
I've never really been a fan, hope he does okay somewhere else, his play has seemed dated recently, a bit like MKP, a little lost perhaps.
Get to semi-finals = play seems dated. Oh poor Polt
On September 14 2011 18:06 MooMooMugi wrote: Is this news saying hes leaving Code S entirely or just leaving his team but still in GSL as a independent player?
Independent player in GSL
The best prime player at anyone time would have the optimus name, not just a one off thing.
I've never really been a fan, hope he does okay somewhere else, his play has seemed dated recently, a bit like MKP, a little lost perhaps.
Get to semi-finals = play seems dated. Oh poor Polt
Bwuahahah, guy never gets a break...
Which is funny because MVP used bio against TOP's mech and absolutely tore him apart. Bio is still viable, even if it seems dated in the TvT mechfest that is now the GSL. Or the time when MMA demolished Boxer's mech with bio-play (though Boxer did make some critical mistakes).
Just hope that Polt doesn't rust while he focuses on university. This certainly is a dilemma that Polt has to face once he finishes his studies. Does he pursue a successful career or pursue his dreams as a progamer? I hope he stays around for a bit longer before doing some other things, they can wait I think.
On September 14 2011 17:49 alexlemagicien wrote: i d be worry for the bottom skill players of eg such as incontrol or idra because if eg keeps hiring good players they might think the release the less skilled ones coL Idra inc
trollpost? idra a bottom skilled player in EG? what are you smoking?
On September 14 2011 18:06 MooMooMugi wrote: Is this news saying hes leaving Code S entirely or just leaving his team but still in GSL as a independent player?
Independent player in GSL
The best prime player at anyone time would have the optimus name, not just a one off thing.
I've never really been a fan, hope he does okay somewhere else, his play has seemed dated recently, a bit like MKP, a little lost perhaps.
Get to semi-finals = play seems dated. Oh poor Polt
In all his matches he looked like he was playing the weaker style but his better game play in general kept him in it. He's a good player, but on the face of it it looks like he could play better going with the mech builds which are so successful atm. The same can be said of MarineKing, the transition to hellion/tanks etc seems of left him a bit caught out, they both win their matches but don't look nearly as dominant as they were before.
On September 14 2011 17:49 alexlemagicien wrote: i d be worry for the bottom skill players of eg such as incontrol or idra because if eg keeps hiring good players they might think the release the less skilled ones coL Idra inc
trollpost? idra a bottom skilled player in EG? what are you smoking?
While he isn't bottom skilled, he certainly isn't top skilled right now. Puma, Huk and DeMuslim are all better atm.
Maybe he doesn't want the responsibility that comes with being in a team since he's going to the most prestigious university in Korea. Better to not be tied down.
One year ago, when HuK Polt became PoltPrime, we at EG were left wondering what could've been. We spent the past twelve months watching from the sidelines as Polt, thanks in large part to excellent support from Prime, went to Code S, and most recently, became a Champion of the GSL.
With his Prime contract expiring, we decided that we didn't want to spend another year looking in from the outside. After receiving permission from GerrardPrime, the owner of Prime, we entered negotiations with Polt, and quickly came to a verbal agreement. After several weeks, and multiple discussions with Polt, his new contract with EG was finalized. Subsequently, after speaking with Gerrard, EG purchased the remainder of his current contract from Prime.
:D
I dunno what that was. At least i thought it was funny. ^.^ Best of luck to Polt though. Watching him in the Gom studio at the team leagues, he seems to be very tight with the Prime members and Gerrard so I do think this is on good terms. Best of luck to Polt.
On September 14 2011 17:49 alexlemagicien wrote: i d be worry for the bottom skill players of eg such as incontrol or idra because if eg keeps hiring good players they might think the release the less skilled ones coL Idra inc
trollpost? idra a bottom skilled player in EG? what are you smoking?
While he isn't bottom skilled, he certainly isn't top skilled right now. Puma, Huk and DeMuslim are all better atm.
On September 14 2011 17:49 alexlemagicien wrote: i d be worry for the bottom skill players of eg such as incontrol or idra because if eg keeps hiring good players they might think the release the less skilled ones coL Idra inc
trollpost? idra a bottom skilled player in EG? what are you smoking?
While he isn't bottom skilled, he certainly isn't top skilled right now. Puma, Huk and DeMuslim are all better atm.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Get out
Not sure about Demuslim, but HuK and Puma are both better than Idra
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
Secondly, Seoul university is the top university in Korea. Now this is probably unsupported, but Koreans admitted into Seoul university are by far smarter than the large majority of students in University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin.
My friend got into UCLA studying 2-3 hours a day. Kids in Korea study up to 12 hours a day and only 1% or so make it into Seoul Korea.
My prediction: He will finish school. He will not come back to SC2. He's too smart to play SC2 fulltime when he has his SU degree. I dont really think that's his career plan.
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
lol bro, youre proud about some rankings? :D No "real" studies are a joke, this has nothing to do with the so-called top x universities smartypants, at least not for somebody trying to compete in a sports with some fulltime pros.
It's either because of uni and he'll free up time for it like that while staying somewhat competitive without any responsibilites or pressure or he simply didn't get what he wanted in negotiations with Prime. IMPolt seems possible, OGSPolt isn't that far out there either, Slayers is probably full in terms of Ts but EG could easily pick him up if say he wants to do a Masters in the US anyway?^^
On September 14 2011 19:14 Terranist wrote: wow HUGE news! how will this affect his career?
doubt it will hold him back seeing as almost any team would want to have him
Yes but he may not join a team, it doesn't appear to be a disagreement with prime, more a reluctance to commitments. I imagine, he's going to be taking programming a lot less seriously to finish his course with a good degree
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
On September 14 2011 14:03 HappyMan wrote: I guess he just wanted to focus on uni... Seoul University is no joke, and it must have taken quite a bit for him to be able to balance both school and starcraft.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
His rankings source is BS anyway. Princeton at #13 globally and behind other US schools, yet according to real US ratings it is tied for #1 nationally... Hmm..
wow, I'm not sure why he would leave other than to go focus on his studies, especially dropping out of GSL that's huge =( it's going to suck to lose him he was started to get really good at this other MU's as well as tvp.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
On September 14 2011 19:47 Badfatpanda wrote: wow, I'm not sure why he would leave other than to go focus on his studies, especially dropping out of GSL that's huge =( it's going to suck to lose him he was started to get really good at this other MU's as well as tvp.
Is he dropping out of GSL? I'm reading at the OP at them moment saying he's just not a part of Prime. Could someone toss me a link? I must have missed it somewhere...
I liked Polt better then Optimus anyways. Sucks to lose that title though.
actuall Seoul University is ranked lower than University of Michigan, Duke, University of California Berkeley, Northwestern University, UCLA, and University of Wisconsin. furthermore, we don't even know his major and coursework he is taking. please don't jump to assumptions about how hard Seoul University. as we all know, the degree of difficulty varies greatly depending on the subject, student, and amount of units taken even among the top ranked universities.
Omg.. It's well known that those rankings are VERY biased towards western universities, and in particular, universities from english speaking contries.
He is a very studious person, studies at Seoul University I believe? Wouldn't surprise me if he stays teamless for now. No doubt the GSL will be weaker without him altogether, glad he is going to carry on playing.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
On September 14 2011 19:47 Badfatpanda wrote: wow, I'm not sure why he would leave other than to go focus on his studies, especially dropping out of GSL that's huge =( it's going to suck to lose him he was started to get really good at this other MU's as well as tvp.
Is he dropping out of GSL? I'm reading at the OP at them moment saying he's just not a part of Prime. Could someone toss me a link? I must have missed it somewhere...
I liked Polt better then Optimus anyways. Sucks to lose that title though.
I was also under the impression that he was simply leaving Prime and becoming an independent player rather than dropping out of the GSL entirely.
He didn't lose it, he gave it up
Though I like Polt a lot as a player I think it's a pretty good move for him to leave Prime to focus on completing his studies. I don't think we should be speculating which team he joins as he has stated that he wants to be an independent player for the time being and we don't even know if he'll pursue SC2 after he graduates.
On September 14 2011 14:09 Xxavi wrote: Never was fan of any Prime player in general and Polt in particular. They seem all cheesy to me. Even MKP has a lot of games that finish too soon.
Still though, props for doing well in SC2 while studying. Hopefully, it is not detrimental to his school.
Every great player should be able to all-in just as well as they can play a macro game. It's part of Starcraft, a multitude of strategies are a must.
Also I found that second part funny, since MKP is actually the king of all-ins. He is very well known for his scary all-ins on the ladder (and considering he usually has 3 smurfs or so in the top 10 of GM).
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
He didn't say one of the best, he said one of the best of the best.
Polt has always been one of my favourite players and I'm really sad that he said some bad things about Jinro(that he's not very good, which is true) which made a lot of people dislike him. I hope he finds a good team and continues to stay in SC2
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
probably joining one of the international teams.... Don't know which one tough will be known pretty fast I guess... As soon as one of them says: BIG ANNOUNCEMENT COMMING....
On September 14 2011 16:45 Skarmory wrote: [quote]
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote: With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA)
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
I'm an MMA fan too but I recognise the fact that Polt is consistent enough in his results every season to be considered the one of the best out there.
Fruitdealer is a pretty poor comparison IMO. Fruitdealer was nowhere near the top since Season 2.
On September 14 2011 14:03 Nothingtosay wrote: Maybe it has something to do with his studies
honestly this is the only thing i could imagine being the case. after the last GSL, i remember Tastosis or one of the code a commentators bringing up how remarkable it was that he was able to keep up his studies at the "harvard of south korea" AND play at such a high level.
that also leads me to believe that we wont be hearing too much of him in the future :/
On September 14 2011 16:45 Skarmory wrote: [quote]
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
I doubt POLT will leave a Korean team due to his studies. He might lay low for a while or something. He is extremely smart in a very prestigious university position.
On September 14 2011 16:45 Skarmory wrote: [quote]
I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
There's only one person on the level of MVP. And that's MVP. Bomber is a level below MVP, the same level as all the other top terrans like Polt, MMA, TOP, ... They're all those "they will advance from the groupstages" and sometimes get a Top4 spot. MVP is someone where people think "He's going to win everything", when he's not slumping (like atm).
On September 14 2011 17:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote: [quote]
If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
On September 14 2011 17:16 Uncultured wrote: [quote]
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. So Polt actually starts to make it past the round of 32 a few times and now he is one of the greatest players? This is the same player that plays very all-innish all of the time. Don't get me wrong, he is good, but I feel that he isn't as great as everyone says he is.
As others have said; it has got to do with his studies. Finding the right balance between the best university in Korea and playing SC2 at a professional level gotta be pretty hard.
I really hope he doesn't take a break from playing or something though - he's been pretty good in the last months. I doubt anyone can match Polt's timing pushes.
A smart & handsome guy like Polt is probably better off becoming an investment banker or something and making big bucks. He still has a bunch of money made from his consistent Code S career over the past year. Now that he's going to graduate in a semester, he's probably figuring out his future. This is probably the change he's talking about, whether to continue as a Starcraft 2 pro or use his Korean Harvard education for another job. I don't expect to see much of Polt for a while.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. So Polt actually starts to make it past the round of 32 a few times and now he is one of the greatest players? This is the same player that plays very all-innish all of the time. Don't get me wrong, he is good, but I feel that he isn't as great as everyone says he is.
Honestly, who cares about the way he plays. If every Terran played the same way this game would not be nearly as interesting to watch. How fun would watching scbw be if every terran did flashes macro build? Exactly, not fun to watch. It is ridiculous to say that a player is not top caliber just because of his playstyle. We can use Flash as an example, sure his builds are criticized from a spectators perspective but who is also the worlds #1 Terran and holds a 70% win ratio? The fact that polt can play his style which you say is "very all-inish" and still win with it is impressive enough because his competitors make builds to counter it and still lose. MKP aka: Clare, on Brood War, was known to be a cheese player (Mainly one base play unless forced to expand). So, it is only natural for him to play the same way in SC2. Hate the game not the player because different styles is what makes the game competitive and interesting to watch.
Also, 4-0ing MMA after he won MLG is a pretty big deal considering MMA is talked about far more then polt.
I'm happy that he came back to his last nickname. I've been calling him Poltimus for quite some time. I hope he'll find a good team to practice with. EGPolt ??
A lot of people who go to top tier universities pretty much spend most of their time in studying/career related activities. Polt's gotta be some kind of god to spend so much time on SC2 and still do well in school.
On September 14 2011 22:24 Diks wrote: I'm happy that he came back to his last nickname. I've been calling him Poltimus for quite some time. I hope he'll find a good team to practice with. EGPolt ??
Ok when you say good team, think IM. EG is no where near that level.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. So Polt actually starts to make it past the round of 32 a few times and now he is one of the greatest players? This is the same player that plays very all-innish all of the time. Don't get me wrong, he is good, but I feel that he isn't as great as everyone says he is.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic. He is not all innish, he is just aggressive. There is a difference. He's been in Code S for a long time, which is a feat in itself considering all the good players being dropped into Code A. And lets not forget, he is only 1 of 5 people to win a GSL. You have to be pretty damn good to do that.
People underrate Polt because he doesn't have some dazzling play style like MMA or MKP. He plays to his opponents weakness. This doesn't lead to the most entertaining games, which is why I think people seem to put him in the back of their minds.
EG doesn't sound very logical with already a top Terran with PuMa. Teamwise Liquid would be one of the most logical teams with Jinro as only Terran. However somehow I don't think it will be Liquid. mouz would make a lot of sense, because they are one of the topteams without a top Korean. Somehow I think the team he will join Dignitas because they are on of the richer teams, and also still without a Top Korean. But we will have to wait and see....
On September 14 2011 17:16 Uncultured wrote: [quote]
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest.
^ This.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Then why did he lose to both Bomber and TOP in quite one sided series.
On September 14 2011 22:58 ThaSlayer wrote: If Polt is indeed a top law student in Seoul National University, we may not see him in play in the near future, after he graduates
He is not a top law student at Seoul National University. He is studying animal biotechnology in their agricultural department or something.
On September 14 2011 17:50 Meteora.GB wrote: [quote]
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. So Polt actually starts to make it past the round of 32 a few times and now he is one of the greatest players? This is the same player that plays very all-innish all of the time. Don't get me wrong, he is good, but I feel that he isn't as great as everyone says he is.
Honestly, who cares about the way he plays. If every Terran played the same way this game would not be nearly as interesting to watch. How fun would watching scbw be if every terran did flashes macro build? Exactly, not fun to watch. It is ridiculous to say that a player is not top caliber just because of his playstyle. We can use Flash as an example, sure his builds are criticized from a spectators perspective but who is also the worlds #1 Terran and holds a 70% win ratio? The fact that polt can play his style which you say is "very all-inish" and still win with it is impressive enough because his competitors make builds to counter it and still lose. MKP aka: Clare, on Brood War, was known to be a cheese player (Mainly one base play unless forced to expand). So, it is only natural for him to play the same way in SC2. Hate the game not the player because different styles is what makes the game competitive and interesting to watch.
Also, 4-0ing MMA after he won MLG is a pretty big deal considering MMA is talked about far more then polt.
I don't understand where this myth comes from that Polt is so all innish. I spose the fact that Artosis seems to have some kind of vendetta against him kind of influences a lot of people.
Polt's worst match up is TvT, because he refuses to go mech, meaning he is stronger in the early game before high tank counts just kill everything, this means that he has to make sure he does damage in the early game, i think that is where the feeling he is a 'timing-attack' player, whereas in reality, he just knows when his bio force can beat his opponents mech force in the early game. In a GSL where he faces only Terrans this makes it seem like he can only do timings for the above reasons, artosis hating him for not playing mech and hinting that makes him a bad player doesn't help.
Polt is also the best and most solid player stat wise in TvP in GSL, having lost 1 TvP in GSL ever to a DT rush, as far as I know. If there were as many Protoss in the GSL as Terrans, I'd dare say he'd be one of them most successful players ever.
Also it wasn't that he just 'actually starts to make it past the round of 32 a few times'. He won the Super Tournament beating MMA, who was on a deadly streak, beating DRG in the team league to win it for SlayerS and crushing MLG, he also beat him decidedly 4-0.
The reason it seems like people are starting to call him on of the best (even though it isn't a lot of people) is because he is one of the best.
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Then why did he lose to both Bomber and TOP in quite one sided series.
Bomber then lost to Keen. Does that mean that Keen is better than Bomber? Polt beat Keen who beat Bomber, does that mean that Polt is better than Bomber because of that result? olol. Anyways he lost to TOP because he went bio if I read correctly (and mech >>> bio except on a few maps where it's equal), and TOP is a top terran as well but not as good overall as Polt, and lost to Bomber cuz he missed an air battle, then Bomber got a BO win on terminus. Plus Bomber is very good so no shame losing to him, but overall Polt is better (better TvZ shown in GSL, has won a championship and advance further than Bomber each time, plus he has the best TvP in the world, even if Bomber has a good TvP too) edit : didnt see MrSweetness post, but I agree with him he explains very well why Polt started to struggle more and more in TvT (as well as MarineKing and sCfOu) and that people think he is a timing attacker only because we saw a lot of TvT. His TvP is the best whatever style he use (macro game or one base, early aggro, everything)
Quite a surprising move. As this move is mid september and not a month or so earlier I think that the move has more to do with wanting a change of team then that the move is study related. (like TanDongHo's move to Dignitas for example)
Team wise within Korea he could be going pretty much anywhere although I would find FXO the most likely target with TSL being the second possibility. At the other hand I do feel that OGS would be pretty unlikely.
On September 14 2011 17:50 Meteora.GB wrote: [quote]
Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him.
I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't.
Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way.
At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber.
Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him.
Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best?
Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level.
He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say.
There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that.
Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone.
Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best
You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Then why did he lose to both Bomber and TOP in quite one sided series.
Bomber then lost to Keen. Does that mean that Keen is better than Bomber? Polt beat Keen who beat Bomber, does that mean that Polt is better than Bomber because of that result? olol. Anyways he lost to TOP because he went bio if I read correctly (and mech >>> bio except on a few maps where it's equal), and TOP is a top terran as well but not as good overall as Polt, and lost to Bomber cuz he missed an air battle, then Bomber got a BO win on terminus. Plus Bomber is very good so no shame losing to him, but overall Polt is better (better TvZ shown in GSL, has won a championship and advance further than Bomber each time, plus he has the best TvP in the world, even if Bomber has a good TvP too) edit : didnt see MrSweetness post, but I agree with him he explains very well why Polt started to struggle more and more in TvT (as well as MarineKing and sCfOu) and that people think he is a timing attacker only because we saw a lot of TvT. His TvP is the best whatever style he use (macro game or one base, early aggro, everything)
On September 14 2011 14:06 Milkis wrote: As far as what I'm hearing he's going to remain teamless for a while. No transfers as far as I know. He has a semester left in college so perhaps he's trying to finish that up.
My guess is he may go back to Prime once his semester is over.
On September 14 2011 22:23 antilyon wrote: As a Prime fan this news is pretty sad...well, best of luck to him. At least MKP can get the optimus ID now.
No, the Optimus ID is reserved for the last Prime player to win a GSL. That's why MKP didn't take Optimus after his two 2nd place finishes.
or maybe he had contradtual obligations if he stayed with the team that may unduly interfere with his studies. 3x a week practice sessions will do that.
On September 14 2011 22:23 antilyon wrote: As a Prime fan this news is pretty sad...well, best of luck to him. At least MKP can get the optimus ID now.
No, the Optimus ID is reserved for the last Prime player to win a GSL. That's why MKP didn't take Optimus after his two 2nd place finishes.
Yeah and Polt isn't a Prime player now therefore he can get the ID.
Fuck! Why? The perfect tandem of terrans: MKP + Polt has broken I was a huge fan of the guys. Those are the only two terrans I ever truly rooted for...
On September 15 2011 00:51 Reasonable wrote: Fuck! Why? The perfect tandem of terrans: MKP + Polt has broken I was a huge fan of the guys. Those are the only two terrans I ever truly rooted for...
I'm really glad I never got used to calling him Optimus even watching the recent GSL I still thought of him as Polt.
This is really strange though, I wonder why Polt was so vague as to his reasoning? I hope it's school related, but I have to wonder what happens when a foreign team puts a salaried contract in front of him that's tough to turn down...
Some time to lay low and finish up college... pretty admirable.... however, I would likewise not be surprised to see Polt go to a foreign team in the ensuing weeks [FXO, etc...]
On September 15 2011 00:51 Reasonable wrote: Fuck! Why? The perfect tandem of terrans: MKP + Polt has broken I was a huge fan of the guys. Those are the only two terrans I ever truly rooted for...
mkp is not dead. He's just not consistent
He consistently gets second place. What are you talking about?
On September 15 2011 00:51 Reasonable wrote: Fuck! Why? The perfect tandem of terrans: MKP + Polt has broken I was a huge fan of the guys. Those are the only two terrans I ever truly rooted for...
mkp is not dead. He's just not consistent
He consistently gets second place. What are you talking about?
Yeah, isn't he actually crazy consistent? In most GSL events without a group stage phase he either reaches far or gets second.
Polt is a name i will have trouble seeing with another teamname next to. PoltPrime sound so familiar.. It's like Maka.. It can't be anything else than Makaprime !
This really sucks, OptimusPrime was my favorite Terran. I wish that he did this after the team league. Horrible timing. I hope he's doing this for school reasons or something, for if he just left Prime to go to another team, I wouldn't be able to see too much valid reasoning behind it. One of the best Terrans in the world. I hope he remains there, I'll be a fan of Polt wherever he plays though.
On September 15 2011 01:31 Micket wrote: Why is Polt doing this before the GSTL playoffs? Prime needs him, timing attack style is brutal in team leauges.
Yeah, I guess he didn't like Prime's chances overall, or had other reasons for leaving.
I am happy he changed his name back to Polt though, so much better. Not really a great player to watch in my book, good timings but with low econ, not ment for macro if something goes wrong.
I can only hope that if Polt joins another team soon that he joins Incredible Miracle. Him and MVP as practice partners would be so good along with helping Losira and Nestea.
On September 15 2011 02:55 heaven- wrote: He hated on Jinro, then got crushed. All i remember from this guy, I havent paid any attention to sc2 since Why am i even posting
And is alot better than jinro today. Why are you posting?
On September 15 2011 02:55 heaven- wrote: He hated on Jinro, then got crushed. All i remember from this guy, I havent paid any attention to sc2 since Why am i even posting
He won Super Tournament got ro4 in last GSL code S.
I hope that he isnt quitting sc2 to focus on his studies, I really like his gameplay. I dont like him as a person per se given the Jinro event, but I do enjoy his games.
If I was polt, I would leave the GSL too. He is a champion who is now placing well, and nobody can even be bothered to vote him into the all star tournament. He is the most underrated GSL champion in the world, even lower than the now awful fruit dealer. He should go join a foreign team and show that he is awesome. Alas, his studies complicate things.
On September 15 2011 03:47 Skarmory wrote: If I was polt, I would leave the GSL too. He is a champion who is now placing well, and nobody can even be bothered to vote him into the all star tournament. He is the most underrated GSL champion in the world, even lower than the now awful fruit dealer. He should go join a foreign team and show that he is awesome. Alas, his studies complicate things.
He declined the invitation like many other players and that's why FruitDealer took the spot lol. He is underrated but I'm pretty sure that he has quite a lot of fans in korea.
On September 15 2011 03:46 lizzard_warish wrote: I hope that he isnt quitting sc2 to focus on his studies, I really like his gameplay. I dont like him as a person per se given the Jinro event, but I do enjoy his games.
Pretty shure he finished university some time ago which is why he went beastmode at the super tournament.
A GSL champion on a foreigner team would be really exciting, I hope it happens. We've already seen that solid practice players like HerO and Puma can tear it up, even though they didn't necessarily break through in the GSL.
My intuition is that that's really the only way foreign teams can catch up. If you can't send everyone to a Korean practice house, bring some of Korea to your practice house
That got me wondering, where is HerO practicing? In the oGs house?
I think that he is just taking off from the game for a while, as the coach says he hopes that he will be back with Prime. I hope so as well, Prime is my favorite team. GL with whatever, polt.
The only reason he was being called OPTIMUS was because that is what prime is going to call the last player to win the GSL on their team. So if nobody wins the GSL they will never have another OPTIMUS. It was a prime team/clan thing.
So stop complaining about his name. Its not exactly like it was his choice.
On September 15 2011 03:46 lizzard_warish wrote: I hope that he isnt quitting sc2 to focus on his studies, I really like his gameplay. I dont like him as a person per se given the Jinro event, but I do enjoy his games.
Pretty shure he finished university some time ago which is why he went beastmode at the super tournament.
Apparently the information is contradictory. He has one semester left to go. I think he just didn't take summer semester so he had more time to practice, which led to Polt becoming instantly beastly.
This guy gets so much undeserved hate for his Jinro statement it's ridiculous. Jinro's slump aside this guy backed up his trash talk by winning the Super Tournament and a recent Ro4 in Code S. Give him credit when credit's due.
On September 15 2011 02:55 heaven- wrote: He hated on Jinro, then got crushed. All i remember from this guy, I havent paid any attention to sc2 since Why am i even posting
He made a comment on Jinro being lucky. Jinro then went on to fall down to code B. Meanwhile, Polt wins GSL's Supertournament, and makes it to Ro4 GSL August.
On September 15 2011 06:54 OPL3SA2 wrote: People who baselessly throw up alternate clan tags should be temp banned Any time anyone leaves a team, it's all anyone ever says
Agreed.. its pretty annoying. At least put it in an appropriate format like "I think theres a good chance he joins ___ because that would be awesome." Or something like that. All the
"(clan tag)Polt calling it now." are indeed pretty annoying.
Im personally anticipating him being independent for a while. He was super close to the Prime team and he looked up to MKP as a player and friend - hard to see him leaving (unless he gets a life changing contract) but I agree with the people saying that hes going to focus on his University now that school has started again. Therefore, its doubtful that he joins another team.
Oh wow...interesting decision on his part, hopefully it works out on his part. Also curious if MKP would still consider OptimusPrime even after the name was taken for a bit of time.
I suspect Polt has been approached by other teams who are offering better terms, and pre-emptively left Prime in order to have a smoother transition. You know, so it doesn't seem as if he'd been stolen.
On September 15 2011 07:07 Soulish wrote: Good decision, MKP should leave as well. Prime has no one good besides those two.
HongUn made it to RO4 code s despite people calling him bad, prime has the super tournament win and 3 second places along with a RO4 by polt and a ro8 by hongun. seems pretty good result wise if you ask me.
i hope this has something to do with school. I suspect he will continue to play in the GSL. If he has been approached by another team, and if that team happens to be EG, I will lose 100% of my already low respect level for them. MKP is my favorite player so this sucks that he'll lose a valuable practice partner.
On September 15 2011 07:55 creamer wrote: i hope this has something to do with school. I suspect he will continue to play in the GSL. If he has been approached by another team, and if that team happens to be EG, I will lose 100% of my already low respect level for them. MKP is my favorite player so this sucks that he'll lose a valuable practice partner.
lol why must there always be a random "fuck EG" post in a completely irrelevant topic?
On September 15 2011 07:55 creamer wrote: i hope this has something to do with school. I suspect he will continue to play in the GSL. If he has been approached by another team, and if that team happens to be EG, I will lose 100% of my already low respect level for them. MKP is my favorite player so this sucks that he'll lose a valuable practice partner.
lol why must there always be a random "fuck EG" post in a completely irrelevant topic?
Because people see them as a greedy business corporation.
On September 15 2011 07:55 creamer wrote: i hope this has something to do with school. I suspect he will continue to play in the GSL. If he has been approached by another team, and if that team happens to be EG, I will lose 100% of my already low respect level for them. MKP is my favorite player so this sucks that he'll lose a valuable practice partner.
lol why must there always be a random "fuck EG" post in a completely irrelevant topic?
Because people see them as a greedy business corporation.
DEATH TO EG! RAWR! its the hipster mentality i suppose (btw, that opening statement was a JOKE) by hipster mentality i mean, some people dont like the idea of business interfering with their favorite teams and players (i know I don't) so its only natural for EG to have haters.
I've reconciled with this fact, and while i have no respect for EG business wise, I like their team and the content they produce, so im not a hater anymore (yay EG) i just try and ignore things that they do that i dislike. simple as that ^^
On September 15 2011 10:41 Tektos wrote: Polt has pretty good TvT considering how far behind the metagame he is (almost never goes mech).
Imagine how good he could be at it if he got some practice at mech with PuMa
I think it's less that he's behind on the metagame -- seriously, he has to live under a rock to be behind on the mech metagame -- and more that he doesn't like to use mech for whatever reason. The same holds true for a ton of other players as well (e.g. MKP, Bomber, MMA, etc.).
On September 15 2011 10:41 Tektos wrote: Polt has pretty good TvT considering how far behind the metagame he is (almost never goes mech).
Imagine how good he could be at it if he got some practice at mech with PuMa
I think it's less that he's behind on the metagame -- seriously, he has to live under a rock to be behind on the mech metagame -- and more that he doesn't like to use mech for whatever reason. The same holds true for a ton of other players as well (e.g. MKP, Bomber, MMA, etc.).
I just think he prefers his bioball style more than mech. He CAN go mech. In fact he did on the deciding game in his game with MMA in this season's GSL in the Ro16. Though for some stubborn reason MMA decided to go bio, so we don't know how good Polt's mech vs mech is.
On September 15 2011 07:55 creamer wrote: i hope this has something to do with school. I suspect he will continue to play in the GSL. If he has been approached by another team, and if that team happens to be EG, I will lose 100% of my already low respect level for them. MKP is my favorite player so this sucks that he'll lose a valuable practice partner.
lol why must there always be a random "fuck EG" post in a completely irrelevant topic?
Because people see them as a greedy business corporation.
On September 15 2011 07:55 creamer wrote: i hope this has something to do with school. I suspect he will continue to play in the GSL. If he has been approached by another team, and if that team happens to be EG, I will lose 100% of my already low respect level for them. MKP is my favorite player so this sucks that he'll lose a valuable practice partner.
lol why must there always be a random "fuck EG" post in a completely irrelevant topic?
Because people see them as a greedy business corporation.
On September 15 2011 10:41 Tektos wrote: Polt has pretty good TvT considering how far behind the metagame he is (almost never goes mech).
Imagine how good he could be at it if he got some practice at mech with PuMa
I think it's less that he's behind on the metagame -- seriously, he has to live under a rock to be behind on the mech metagame -- and more that he doesn't like to use mech for whatever reason. The same holds true for a ton of other players as well (e.g. MKP, Bomber, MMA, etc.).
They at least play biomech, and MKP can play mech VERY well. I've seen him crush people with it. However, Polt doesn't take that quick third base when playing MMM against mech and I don't understand why. Marauders are really strong against that style and the army is easy to replace as opposed to mech, and also abusing mobility.
It seems the leave has nothing to do with school, I call his bluff I really think he has an offer. Maybe when he say's he doesn't agree with where the team is headed it's because of the whole primezzang fashion thing? idk
Polt: It'd be difficult for me to reveal the reason in detail, but there were personal issues. I think it'd be good to understand it as there being little differences between the way our coach thinks and the direction the team is seeking out and my own thoughts.
Polt: It'd be difficult for me to reveal the reason in detail, but there were personal issues. I think it'd be good to understand it as there being little differences between the way our coach thinks and the direction the team is seeking out and my own thoughts.
What does this mean? Way to vague.
It means the coach wants a Fashion team instead of a Sc2 team
Polt: It'd be difficult for me to reveal the reason in detail, but there were personal issues. I think it'd be good to understand it as there being little differences between the way our coach thinks and the direction the team is seeking out and my own thoughts.
What does this mean? Way to vague.
I think it means that his vision and the coach's vision of the team are not aligned. Thus, he thought it best to leave the team.
Polt: It'd be difficult for me to reveal the reason in detail, but there were personal issues. I think it'd be good to understand it as there being little differences between the way our coach thinks and the direction the team is seeking out and my own thoughts.
What does this mean? Way to vague.
I think it means that his vision and the coach's vision of the team are not aligned. Thus, he thought it best to leave the team.
I know that, but he doesn't elaborate on what the coach and his vision is and why they are at odds with each other.
On September 15 2011 12:53 akalarry wrote: i hope its cuz he wants to go on a team that travels to more foreign events
That could be a possibility. He's entered a few online qualifications (for IPL and NASL). And Prime doesn't really have the funds to fly him to foreign tournaments.
On September 15 2011 12:53 akalarry wrote: i hope its cuz he wants to go on a team that travels to more foreign events
That could be a possibility. He's entered a few online qualifications (for IPL and NASL). And Prime doesn't really have the funds to fly him to foreign tournaments.
Thats nonsense, he has a 100 million won.
Actually probably not, since all asian males turn over their entire savings to their parents -_-
hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
but who knows, maybe everyone goes crazy and tries to do ridiculous things to grab him
First: There was an update. Apparently Polt did not leave because of school -- he's on leave of absence for the rest of the year -- but because of a difference in vision between himself and his coach.
About the bolded part. Ehhhhhh. SlayerS picked up CoCa who crushed Alicia into the ground when they played. And ST picked up FD and Trickster even though Virus eliminated FD and Trickster kept July from advancing. Just because players beat each other up doesn't mean a team won't court them or that they wouldn't consider a particular team. Polt's looking for a team that'll give him what he's looking for, whatever that is.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
but who knows, maybe everyone goes crazy and tries to do ridiculous things to grab him
About the bolded part. Ehhhhhh. SlayerS picked up CoCa who crushed Alicia into the ground when they played. And ST picked up FD and Trickster even though Virus eliminated FD and Trickster kept July from advancing. Just because players beat each other up doesn't mean a team won't court them or that they wouldn't consider a particular team. Polt's looking for a team that'll give him what he's looking for, whatever that is.
I think he meant that OGS have some strong Terrans as it is, and won't really need a Polt on their team. If i'm OGS, i'm pretty happy with Nada, Top, SuperNova and STC as a solid 4man Terran lineup (plus the other guys).
On September 15 2011 12:53 akalarry wrote: i hope its cuz he wants to go on a team that travels to more foreign events
That could be a possibility. He's entered a few online qualifications (for IPL and NASL). And Prime doesn't really have the funds to fly him to foreign tournaments.
This. I think he wants to be in more foreign tournaments, and his coach does not. That would explain the "different visions" thing.
I would not be surprised if he winds up joining a foreign team.
Between EG and Liquid, they are going to pick the Korean teams dry.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
but who knows, maybe everyone goes crazy and tries to do ridiculous things to grab him
About the bolded part. Ehhhhhh. SlayerS picked up CoCa who crushed Alicia into the ground when they played. And ST picked up FD and Trickster even though Virus eliminated FD and Trickster kept July from advancing. Just because players beat each other up doesn't mean a team won't court them or that they wouldn't consider a particular team. Polt's looking for a team that'll give him what he's looking for, whatever that is.
I think he meant that OGS have some strong Terrans as it is, and won't really need a Polt on their team. If i'm OGS, i'm pretty happy with Nada, Top, SuperNova and STC as a solid 4man Terran lineup (plus the other guys).
Ahhh, my bad, then.
I dunno how often teams factor in their current line-ups when they're thinking about picking up a player. I can see SlayerS not going for Polt more because SlayerS is absolutely huge than because they have enough Terrans. As for IM ... IM really needs some depth, and I think it'd be smart if they recruit Polt. ST should also try for him because they're lacking in a Terran line-up; they basically have Bomber and that's it. Same with ZeNEX and NSHS. Wouldn't hurt if oGs called him up either; though TOP and Supernova are solid, NaDa's only good at TvT while STC is still in Code B, so Polt could only bolster their team.
Good to know that he'll be with the SC2 scene for a while longer then, though its unfortunate that he probably won't be rejoining Prime if his visions do not align with his coach/the team.
I strongly suspect that it has something to do with the focus on foreign scene, as Polt has on multiple of occasions tried to qualify for the IPL. Prime does not really have strong presence in the foreign scene, and even if they did all they've tried to do was send MarineKing.
On September 15 2011 12:53 akalarry wrote: i hope its cuz he wants to go on a team that travels to more foreign events
That could be a possibility. He's entered a few online qualifications (for IPL and NASL). And Prime doesn't really have the funds to fly him to foreign tournaments.
This. I think he wants to be in more foreign tournaments, and his coach does not. That would explain the "different visions" thing.
I would not be surprised if he winds up joining a foreign team.
Between EG and Liquid, they are going to pick the Korean teams dry.
They've recruited one Korean each.. hardly see that as "picking the Korean teams dry"
I hope Polt ends up joining a team that will send him out to compete in other countries, would really like to see him play more he's a great player in almost all his matchups (TvT Fail ).
Polt just said in the group selection that he wanted to practice at his own pace. This usually indicates that a player is probably going to a team like StarTale, which has a pretty loose practice schedule. Anyone know the other teams that have looser practice schedules?
Good luck to Polt, wonder if he is just wanting to be on a different team or if he is just going solo while he finishes up school. MKP is going to need more TvT practice to be the best. His TvT seems a bit off lately.
On September 15 2011 12:53 akalarry wrote: i hope its cuz he wants to go on a team that travels to more foreign events
That could be a possibility. He's entered a few online qualifications (for IPL and NASL). And Prime doesn't really have the funds to fly him to foreign tournaments.
This. I think he wants to be in more foreign tournaments, and his coach does not. That would explain the "different visions" thing.
I would not be surprised if he winds up joining a foreign team.
Between EG and Liquid, they are going to pick the Korean teams dry.
IMO it's not possible to pick Korean teams dry. There's a hundred odd talent out there lying about in Code B that we have yet to see.
On September 15 2011 12:53 akalarry wrote: i hope its cuz he wants to go on a team that travels to more foreign events
That could be a possibility. He's entered a few online qualifications (for IPL and NASL). And Prime doesn't really have the funds to fly him to foreign tournaments.
Thats nonsense, he has a 100 million won.
Actually probably not, since all asian males turn over their entire savings to their parents -_-
On September 15 2011 15:57 Meteora.GB wrote: I strongly suspect that it has something to do with the focus on foreign scene, as Polt has on multiple of occasions tried to qualify for the IPL. Prime does not really have strong presence in the foreign scene, and even if they did all they've tried to do was send MarineKing.
Maybe that was the problem. He produced very good results in the last months and MarineKing is struggeling/slumping atm and all they try to do is to send MKP.
I hope he'll return to Prime in the future for more Maka/MKP/Polt bromance :D
Seems only rational for Polt to be turning away from SC2 after he gets his super university degree. Pro-gaming is very cool and all, but i think a top student at Korean Universities has many prestigious paths to pursue.
On September 15 2011 23:03 purecarnagge wrote: MKP has the most fans...who are they suppose to send...the guy who sells their brand or the guy who wins and is underappreciated on the foreign scene?
That's what I meant, maybe he's searching for a team which is focused on/around him and where he is the superstar.
It's possible he disliked that part of the teams' activities.Maybe he felt it wasted training time. Maybe he is just uncomfortable with that idea. His interview did say he had some differences in vision with the coach.
I think it'd be good to understand it as there being little differences between the way our coach thinks and the direction the team is seeking out and my own thoughts.
I'm guessing that MKP got really mad at Polt for taking the Optimus name and Polt got scared and ran away.
In all seriousness this is very strange. It would make more sense if he was leaving the team to join a different team but in this case he's leaving to be an independent player. Only thing I can think of is that he wants to focus on his schoolwork and can't keep up with the practice schedule of the team. Still it's strange that there isn't a more comprehensive explanation.
On September 15 2011 12:53 akalarry wrote: i hope its cuz he wants to go on a team that travels to more foreign events
That could be a possibility. He's entered a few online qualifications (for IPL and NASL). And Prime doesn't really have the funds to fly him to foreign tournaments.
Thats nonsense, he has a 100 million won.
Actually probably not, since all asian males turn over their entire savings to their parents -_-
I call BS; why? I'm an asian male and I know that's BS.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
come to think of it I would be extremely pissed if I were Polt if MKP was getting sent to EGWC and getting all the publicity when he's the one who won a GSL and been putting up amazing results !!
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
but who knows, maybe everyone goes crazy and tries to do ridiculous things to grab him
? Who is in this "Big Three"?
IMMVP, IMNestea, and ______?
Losira
I see. Then It can't be the "Big Three". From a SC point, it should be a representative from each race, instead of 2 Zs and 1 T
It can and is the big three. Just because there isn't a representative for each race doesn't stop them from being the big three. They're referred to that as they're the scariest and two of them are the most prestigious players in sc2. Losira is added in there because his a tier above everyone but NesTea and MVP but just doesn't have a title to his name I believe.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
On September 15 2011 14:17 Icectar wrote: hmm...this is interesting. I say that after university, Polt has a few options: 1. Join EG. EG has been picking up players left in right (ie Puma, Huk etc.), but idk how much money they can throw at Polt. 2. Join another Korean team (probably MVP, NSH, TSL?) MVP to team up with DRG? 0_0 lol, i'm not sure about the other two, but he won't be joining SlayerS cause to many terrans, not IM cause they already have their "Big Three", and OGS? maybe...but with NaDa and TOP, i doubt it. 3. Go back to Prime? highly unlikely, but who knows?
fantasy wise, prime's value will fall hard, but i mean, they've virtually nvr played him, so yah.
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