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On September 14 2011 19:51 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 17:50 Meteora.GB wrote:On September 14 2011 17:22 obsKura wrote:On September 14 2011 17:16 Uncultured wrote:On September 14 2011 17:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On September 14 2011 16:45 Skarmory wrote:On September 14 2011 16:38 saritenite wrote:
With this, Prime loses any chance of reaching a Code S finals again. Not good at all. (Also, I still hate Polt for beating MMA) I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off If anyone is overrated, it's Polt. The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest. ^ This. Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him. I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't. Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way. At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber. Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him. Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best.
I'm an MMA fan too but I recognise the fact that Polt is consistent enough in his results every season to be considered the one of the best out there.
Fruitdealer is a pretty poor comparison IMO. Fruitdealer was nowhere near the top since Season 2.
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SoCal8933 Posts
On September 14 2011 14:03 Nothingtosay wrote:
Maybe it has something to do with his studies
honestly this is the only thing i could imagine being the case. after the last GSL, i remember Tastosis or one of the code a commentators bringing up how remarkable it was that he was able to keep up his studies at the "harvard of south korea" AND play at such a high level.
that also leads me to believe that we wont be hearing too much of him in the future :/
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On September 14 2011 20:56 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:39 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 20:01 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 19:51 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 17:50 Meteora.GB wrote:On September 14 2011 17:22 obsKura wrote:On September 14 2011 17:16 Uncultured wrote:On September 14 2011 17:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On September 14 2011 16:45 Skarmory wrote:
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I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off If anyone is overrated, it's Polt. The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest. ^ This. Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him. I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't. Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way. At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber. Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him. Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best. How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best? Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level. He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say. There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that. Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone. Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated.
His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing.
He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen.
Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament.
Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary.
I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
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I doubt POLT will leave a Korean team due to his studies. He might lay low for a while or something. He is extremely smart in a very prestigious university position.
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On September 14 2011 20:56 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:39 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 20:01 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 19:51 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 17:50 Meteora.GB wrote:On September 14 2011 17:22 obsKura wrote:On September 14 2011 17:16 Uncultured wrote:On September 14 2011 17:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:On September 14 2011 16:45 Skarmory wrote:
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I know, right? I hate that Polt exposed MMA as an overrated player when he 4-0'd him. /sarcasm off If anyone is overrated, it's Polt. The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest. ^ This. Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him. I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't. Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way. At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber. Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him. Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best. How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best? Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level. He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say. There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that. Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone. Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber.
There's only one person on the level of MVP. And that's MVP.
Bomber is a level below MVP, the same level as all the other top terrans like Polt, MMA, TOP, ...
They're all those "they will advance from the groupstages" and sometimes get a Top4 spot.
MVP is someone where people think "He's going to win everything", when he's not slumping (like atm).
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France13023 Posts
On September 14 2011 21:24 BigKahunaBurger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 20:56 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 20:01 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 19:51 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 17:50 Meteora.GB wrote:On September 14 2011 17:22 obsKura wrote:On September 14 2011 17:16 Uncultured wrote:On September 14 2011 17:08 DrakeFZX3 wrote:
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If anyone is overrated, it's Polt.
The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest. ^ This. Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him. I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't. Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way. At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber. Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him. Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best. How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best? Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level. He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say. There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that. Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone. Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber. To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated. His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing. He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen. Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament. Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary. I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into.
Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back.
The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp.
Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
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maybe he was offered a better deal by another team. I'm sure anybody would want to have him.
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On September 14 2011 21:30 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2011 21:24 BigKahunaBurger wrote:On September 14 2011 20:56 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 20:39 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 20:29 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 20:01 Dakkas wrote:On September 14 2011 19:51 Femari wrote:On September 14 2011 17:50 Meteora.GB wrote:On September 14 2011 17:22 obsKura wrote:On September 14 2011 17:16 Uncultured wrote:
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The guy takes a final and is consistently code S... He's probably the most underrated terran there is, to be perfectly honest. ^ This. Definitely this. He gets absolutely no credit and is severely underrated/hated on the forums simply because he said Jinro's run to the semis was by luck. Honestly I feel that people took his statement too seriously. It is fine for Koreans to trash talk or simply say they are outright bad to each other but when they say anything about foreigners the people on TL seems to get butthurt. Plus he also pulled an upset by sweeping the fan favourite MMA in the finals, which probably contributed to furthermore hate to him. I guess he's certainly not the most inspiring player to watch and for some mysterious reason he has this aura which makes the players he play seem to play mediocre (that or he plays so solid and brilliantly that in a subtle manner the other player looks just bad), but that doesn't take anything away from his accomplishment. Compare to players like Bomber and MMA who failed to either win a finals or get to there in the first place respectively, Polt has done what the other highly rated Terrans couldn't. Oh well. As Fionn said, Polt is fuelled by hatred. Guess it works either way. At the same time the people that say he is underrated overrate him by putting him as a top 5 player and on the level of MVP and Bomber. Personally as a MMA fan I do not hate him at all. He's a great player. Was I sad when MMA got 4-0'd? Yeah. Does it mean I hate the guy? No. Yeah he won a tournament. So did FruitDealer and well he's not exactly a top player anymore. Winning a tournament doesn't mean you're one of the best. It doesn't mean he's on the caliber of players like MVP like the people who say he's underrated like to put him. Yes Polt is really good. But in saying he's underrated I hope people stop overrating him in the process. He's a really good top 15 or top 10 player. But he's not one of the best of the best. How on earth is being top 10 not one of the best? Being in the top 10 doesn't make you MVP level. That's the best. MVP level. Bomber level. He's not one of those players like some of the people that say he's underrated like to say. There's a biiiig difference between really good and elite, TOP vs MVP was a good example of that. Take a step back and look at it this way. He is top 10 of tens of thousands of players. MVP is an anomaly much like Nestea, it's unfair to compare them with anyone. Being in the top 10 IS being best of the best You're missing the point in which I was saying a lot of the people saying he was underrated were putting him on that level of MVP and Bomber. To be quite honest with you, I find Bomber just as overrated as I find Polt underrated. His play never seems to impress me, and Artosis' hype always builds him up to be great when in reality, his games are disappointing. He's "supposed" to sweep season, but instead gets knocked out by Keen. Polt is supposed to get rolled by Losira in the first round and instead wins the hwole Super Tournament. Now I realise Bomber has a great ELO, but Polt's winning records was also pretty scary. I just have trouble accepting the fact that people are willing to exclude Polt from any grouping Bomber gets into. Polt is better than Bomber, not only from his results (which are far better let's be honest) but by his "games" too. Bomber can be great at times (great play and victories over good opponents) and average other times. He can't be consistent enough and that appears in his results. He has great potential and sure some skill but something is holding him back. The only terran really better than Polt is Mvp. Anyways, sad news for his SC2 carrier since I guess it's because of studies, and for the people who like him & Prime I hope that he won't switch to another team. (and please no foreigner team LOL that would be... sad I guess)
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. So Polt actually starts to make it past the round of 32 a few times and now he is one of the greatest players? This is the same player that plays very all-innish all of the time. Don't get me wrong, he is good, but I feel that he isn't as great as everyone says he is.
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He's going to run in the 2012 elections with the Democrat Party.
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Huh, wonder if he's looking to sign with a foreign team like some of the other players?
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Whaaat? What's anchoring MarineKing in Prime now?!
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somebody gonna get paiddd 
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guys, the big question is, what does artosis think about the name change  ?
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On September 14 2011 22:02 Sina92 wrote:guys, the big question is, what does artosis think about the name change ?
He is gonna be so happy!
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As others have said; it has got to do with his studies. Finding the right balance between the best university in Korea and playing SC2 at a professional level gotta be pretty hard.
I really hope he doesn't take a break from playing or something though - he's been pretty good in the last months. I doubt anyone can match Polt's timing pushes.
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On September 14 2011 22:02 Sina92 wrote:guys, the big question is, what does artosis think about the name change ?
No foreigner ever called him Optimus.
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oooooooo who's gonna pick him upppppp
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A smart & handsome guy like Polt is probably better off becoming an investment banker or something and making big bucks. He still has a bunch of money made from his consistent Code S career over the past year. Now that he's going to graduate in a semester, he's probably figuring out his future. This is probably the change he's talking about, whether to continue as a Starcraft 2 pro or use his Korean Harvard education for another job. I don't expect to see much of Polt for a while.
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