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LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
September 07 2011 20:08 GMT
#101
On September 08 2011 05:02 Sandro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 05:01 Amityville wrote:
The real question is. Whats the bigger mismatch?

Idra vs. Gordon 1v1 in SC2?

or

Idra vs. Gordon 1v1 on the court?

Definitely Idra vs Gordon on the court. My mind can't even process Idra playing basketball.

IdrA said in an interview that he was into basketball (I think) until his school friends introduced Starcraft to him. He wasn't even into video games then. Hard to believe, I know.
Amityville
Profile Joined June 2011
United States36 Posts
September 07 2011 20:11 GMT
#102
On September 08 2011 05:02 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 04:52 marcesr wrote:
People below the news are even criticizing that Gordon Hayward is participating at IPL...there seems to be very little hope for esport =(

I love Gordon, and his game, but if someone expects him to be a starting SF against the likes of Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson, Kevin Durant, etc etc, then they are having pipe dreams, (probably of the crack cocaine caliber) Gordon will be a fantastic bench player on a good team, due to his versatility, and ability to handle the ball with size, and see the floor. However due to his grinding style, this is the most he can ask for. This Jane character criticizing him, most likely has no clue of the match-ups that exist on the NBA floor, and what Gordon Haywood can legitimately provide for his team. If theres anything from his run in Butler that we can see, is that he grinds, and wins, and to expect anything else from him just because he is has "made it" is only fooling yourself. Gordon most certainly works harder at his craft than most sc2 players work at their own. :D


He dropped 24 points on Kobe and 34 on the Nuggets the last week of the season and you think he cant be a starter in the league? The guy barely got minutes until the end of the season. You don't know basketball, stop acting like you do.
Joshy.IGN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States530 Posts
September 07 2011 20:21 GMT
#103
Official video from Gordon Hayward himself is up now: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=263456
IGN eSports Community Marketing Manager || http://www.ign.com/ipl
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
September 07 2011 20:21 GMT
#104
On September 08 2011 03:21 zoLo wrote:
This is sick news and Gordon seems like a cool guy to hang out with judging from his stream. It is nice to see a NBA player relax and play video games or some other outlet. It is common to see a professional athlete get into trouble by doing stupid shit as their choice of recreation.

As far as I know (I've been following since I was 8-9, before Jordan retired from Chicago), a lot of NBA players are big into games but mostly console since it's easy to carry on the road and easy to play with teammates.
Nice to see some get into PC games.
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
September 07 2011 20:23 GMT
#105
On September 08 2011 00:21 Probe1 wrote:
Are you serious lol. This is not like yellow vs boxer. This is like ZeNEX puppy vs a monster truck in an arm wrestling contest underwater in space.

This makes no sense and poor Gordon Hayward will be brutalized.

omg im crying

this is the funniest thing i read all day
Maruprime.
RickToss
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6 Posts
September 07 2011 20:26 GMT
#106
People who think this is somehow 'legitimizing e-sports' need to slow their roll. The average NBA fan has no idea who Gordon Hayward is. He's like a low-masters level basketball player. He's obviously really good since he's in the NBA, but no one's buying a ticket specifically to see him. That being said, it's still pretty cool.

He dropped 24 points on Kobe and 34 on the Nuggets the last week of the season and you think he cant be a starter in the league? The guy barely got minutes until the end of the season. You don't know basketball, stop acting like you do.


The Nuggets are one of the worst defensive teams in the league, and the Jazz were finishing up a miserable season. That doesn't mean anything. If you think Gordon Hayward is anything but a decent bench player, you're delusional. He gets a lot more attention than other similarly skilled players cause he's white.
Tawss...I think I'm WhiteRa...Kiwikaki
raaaiiiii
Profile Joined January 2011
United States89 Posts
September 07 2011 20:32 GMT
#107
On September 08 2011 05:26 RickToss wrote:
The average NBA fan has no idea who Gordon Hayward is. He's like a low-masters level basketball player.


While the first sentence may be true... The second is way off... He is basically GM level. Think about it, can the average Starcraft fan name all of the people in GM? No, of course not. He is one of a small group of people who are the best in the world at what they do...
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
September 07 2011 20:34 GMT
#108
On September 08 2011 00:21 Phanekim wrote:
Gordon Hayward's hobby is probably more financially smarter than his peers. less child support and alimony involved.

lol thats fucked up, so many assumptions going on.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
September 07 2011 20:36 GMT
#109
Wonder how much IGN paid him?
Amityville
Profile Joined June 2011
United States36 Posts
September 07 2011 20:37 GMT
#110
On September 08 2011 05:26 RickToss wrote:
People who think this is somehow 'legitimizing e-sports' need to slow their roll. The average NBA fan has no idea who Gordon Hayward is. He's like a low-masters level basketball player. He's obviously really good since he's in the NBA, but no one's buying a ticket specifically to see him. That being said, it's still pretty cool.

Show nested quote +
He dropped 24 points on Kobe and 34 on the Nuggets the last week of the season and you think he cant be a starter in the league? The guy barely got minutes until the end of the season. You don't know basketball, stop acting like you do.


The Nuggets are one of the worst defensive teams in the league, and the Jazz were finishing up a miserable season. That doesn't mean anything. If you think Gordon Hayward is anything but a decent bench player, you're delusional. He gets a lot more attention than other similarly skilled players cause he's white.



Actually I think its the opposite. I think because hes white people assume hes only going to be a bench player. Kobe Bryant said hes going to be a very good NBA player. That doesnt mean bench warmer. Ill take his opinion on basketball over yours, thanks
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
September 07 2011 20:38 GMT
#111
I hope Gordon brings Boris along as well. Lots of good times on their streams, both of them gotta start streaming again.

Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
September 07 2011 20:48 GMT
#112
He is gonna get manhandled, but pretty nice none the less
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
September 07 2011 20:51 GMT
#113
Haha awesome, will be fun to see him compete and can only be good publicity for the scene. Love it and am a huge Butler fan so always been a big Gordon Hayward fan.
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
RickToss
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6 Posts
September 07 2011 20:54 GMT
#114
Actually I think its the opposite. I think because hes white people assume hes only going to be a bench player. Kobe Bryant said hes going to be a very good NBA player. That doesnt mean bench warmer. Ill take his opinion on basketball over yours, thanks


Kobe Bryant's not a GM or a commentator. Of course he's going to say nice things about a fellow player, especially one who's a nice guy. Anyway, would you trust Michael Jordan's player evaluation skills? He's a better player than Kobe, but not exactly a great judge of NBA talent.

Plenty of knowledgeable basketball minds think that Gordon Hayward will never be anything more than a good bench player.
Tawss...I think I'm WhiteRa...Kiwikaki
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
September 07 2011 20:55 GMT
#115
On September 08 2011 00:16 Condor Hero wrote:
He's Silver in 1v1 correct?
I'm pretty sure he'll just be there for fun, otherwise he will be very disappointed.
Still this is amazing to have someone from mainstream sports who likes SC2 enough to show up at live events.

Edit: I'm a huge NBA fan so this is really cool for me. I told all my friends and they weren't as impressed as me lol.


he better be silver, to have enough skill and talent to go to the NBA is one thing, then go into a major SC2 tourny and be a main contender is ReAlLY unfair!
SC > halo
arias
Profile Joined June 2011
4 Posts
September 07 2011 20:58 GMT
#116
On September 08 2011 05:02 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 04:52 marcesr wrote:
People below the news are even criticizing that Gordon Hayward is participating at IPL...there seems to be very little hope for esport =(

I love Gordon, and his game, but if someone expects him to be a starting SF against the likes of Lebron James, Paul Pierce, Joe Johnson, Kevin Durant, etc etc, then they are having pipe dreams, (probably of the crack cocaine caliber) Gordon will be a fantastic bench player on a good team, due to his versatility, and ability to handle the ball with size, and see the floor. However due to his grinding style, this is the most he can ask for. This Jane character criticizing him, most likely has no clue of the match-ups that exist on the NBA floor, and what Gordon Haywood can legitimately provide for his team. If theres anything from his run in Butler that we can see, is that he grinds, and wins, and to expect anything else from him just because he is has "made it" is only fooling yourself. Gordon most certainly works harder at his craft than most sc2 players work at their own. :D


Out of those players, only LBJ and Durant are legitimate superstars. Paul Pierce is a great NBA player but he's in his 30s now and is definitely on the backside of his career. Joe Johnson is horribly overpaid.

Gordon can most certainly start in the league. Is he going to average 25+ a night? No. How many players do, though? If he, as the 9th overall pick, can start at SG/SF (he can play either position), average 12-15 a night with a few assists and rebounds, that's an incredibly successful career by most NBA standards, and there's literally no reason to think he can't do that. He doesn't HAVE to be a superstar, most starters in the NBA aren't.

Is he in the same league as LBJ and Durant? No. Does he have to be? No. How many superstars are there? Maybe 10-15? And you're saying that because he's not on the same level as them that he can't start? Clearly you don't understand the NBA at all.
Karliath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2214 Posts
September 07 2011 20:59 GMT
#117
Seasonally, I don't care about this NBA player. I do recognize how this could be important in slowly raising ESPORTS to another level though. It all comes with the power of IGN.
trias_e
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States520 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 21:02:40
September 07 2011 20:59 GMT
#118
On September 08 2011 05:26 RickToss wrote:
People who think this is somehow 'legitimizing e-sports' need to slow their roll. The average NBA fan has no idea who Gordon Hayward is. He's like a low-masters level basketball player. He's obviously really good since he's in the NBA, but no one's buying a ticket specifically to see him. That being said, it's still pretty cool.

Show nested quote +
He dropped 24 points on Kobe and 34 on the Nuggets the last week of the season and you think he cant be a starter in the league? The guy barely got minutes until the end of the season. You don't know basketball, stop acting like you do.


The Nuggets are one of the worst defensive teams in the league, and the Jazz were finishing up a miserable season. That doesn't mean anything. If you think Gordon Hayward is anything but a decent bench player, you're delusional. He gets a lot more attention than other similarly skilled players cause he's white.


As a Jazz fan who watched the majority of the games Hayward has played so far in the NBA, I argue that Gordon will be a solid starter in the NBA. He's an excellent 3pt shooter, good ball handler, and not even a bad defender which some people believed he would be. Iif he continues to improves as he did over last season he's going to be a very good player.

Calling him a 'low-masters' basketball player might be one of the most retarded things I've ever read on these forums. Wow. He's certainly a top 500 basketball player in the world just by being in the NBA, and Hayward is already an average player in the NBA, which is basically like being in Code A.
Amityville
Profile Joined June 2011
United States36 Posts
September 07 2011 20:59 GMT
#119
On September 08 2011 05:54 RickToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
Actually I think its the opposite. I think because hes white people assume hes only going to be a bench player. Kobe Bryant said hes going to be a very good NBA player. That doesnt mean bench warmer. Ill take his opinion on basketball over yours, thanks


Kobe Bryant's not a GM or a commentator. Of course he's going to say nice things about a fellow player, especially one who's a nice guy. Anyway, would you trust Michael Jordan's player evaluation skills? He's a better player than Kobe, but not exactly a great judge of NBA talent.

Plenty of knowledgeable basketball minds think that Gordon Hayward will never be anything more than a good bench player.



Im aware plenty of people think he wont be anything in the league. There are plenty of people that think he will be. Calling me dellusional for an opinion is a little over the top. He started the last 4 games of the season last year after he balled on Kobe. He will be the starting SF next year. Lets see how your bench player prediction holds up.
GypsyBeast
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada630 Posts
September 07 2011 21:02 GMT
#120
what a cool guy . it sweet to see him advocate something like esports with out a second thought
Ya? Well ill BM you harder! Another win in 10 seconds flat! -Rainbow Dash playing SC2.
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