[Aug] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 16

On September 22 2011 06:17 tntrieu wrote:
Here is the Korean August Graph that was just released a couple of days ago.

On September 22 2011 07:16 crms wrote:
its not hard to see terran is a phenomal race, more designed and refined. I'm not sure why anyone is arguing the game is balanced right now when clearly Terran is a total package while the other races are works in progress. The sheer options Terran has is astounding in comparison, the units are better and good players are going to show it.

feels bad that we're playing a game and sponsoring players and hosting tournaments for an incomplete game. however even in its current form it's the 'best' option for an RTS esport in the west.

I guess I just feel emo because I don't really like the direction the game is headed and while the community is fucking outstanding the game is developing into a let down. I find myself looking more forward to diablo 3 and dota 2 than HoTS.

On September 22 2011 06:12 arsenic wrote:

It's always been weird to me too that all the changes (nerfs mostly) historically have been hitting Zerg/Protoss while Terran escapes relatively unscathed (bunker change lol) patch after patch when it's so clear that Terran is the best race or in Blizzard's own words "the race with the most options". They really need to curb Terran though and hopefully soon. =/

Also, Protoss win rates are much higher than expected. Given the QQ lately, you'd think it would be much lower... but alas, TvP is the most imbalanced matchup of all.

On September 22 2011 06:12 arsenic wrote:
It's always been weird to me too that all the changes (nerfs mostly) historically have been hitting Zerg/Protoss while Terran escapes relatively unscathed (bunker change lol) patch after patch when it's so clear that Terran is the best race or in Blizzard's own words "the race with the most options". They really need to curb Terran though and hopefully soon. =/

Also, Protoss win rates are much higher than expected. Given the QQ lately, you'd think it would be much lower... but alas, TvP is the most imbalanced matchup of all.

On September 22 2011 07:37 doko100 wrote:



wut?

terran has been nerfed the most BY FAR, zerg has been buffed pretty much every patch and protoss had about the same amount of buffs compared to nerfs overall.

There wasn't a single buff for terran that actually made the game easier for us, we had our best units nerfed (rightfully so in most cases) and all the buffs we got were battlecruiser speed buff (as if that really ever matters) and HSM speed buff (pretty pointless buff aswell because it's still a bad spell).

Every single patch terran has been nerfed and the other races got more buffs than nerfs. So seriously, what gave you the idea that terran had to deal with no nerfs at all? It's consistently been nerfed and it weren't even small nerfs, some of the nerfs were huge, so that entire strategies and matchups were changed.

On September 22 2011 07:26 Snowbear wrote:


Zerg finally is ahead of terran, nice (i am a terran player). If you remove all 1-1-1's the tvp graph would look much better.

On September 22 2011 14:01 Fwiffo wrote:
What many Terran fans aren't getting is there's a growing concern at the top most level of the game going beyond the players and affecting even the hosts of this E-Sport. When the main casters of GOMTV asks GSL winner Polt 'Why are there so many Terrans?' you know something is wrong. And no, his answer wasn't "It's a cultural thing", "Terran players are just better" or “L2Play Goldie”. Watch the video. See what he says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNph9C5NIDk

This has been going on since April in Korea. Top Terran players are calling it out. GSL hosts are calling it out. Blizzard's SC2 developers admits it. And yet you have so many Terran fans who refuse to acknowledge anything's wrong. Just peruse forums like this one, BNet or Reddit or listen to casters like CatsPajamas or PainUser and witness the denial with insults abound. Of course, then there's those who knows what's up. But instead of being honest, they attack through proxy by playing up Zerg griefs against Toss or vice versa.

Why is this allowed to go on I can only guess. It really may be a deliberate strategy by Activision/Blizzard. Any perceived imbalances is easily deniable. This may lead to grief and polarization, but the controversy it breeds maintains interest in the end. Just watch pro-sports or even “pro” wrestling. Polarized fans and their passion is a big part of the scene. It doesn't matter if your side was unfair, you just want them to crush any and all opposition. It all goes back to the good old Gladiator days and Activision knows it.

But for me, as a spectator, I'd rather the maximum attainable balance to exist at the top level where the best player wins in the end. I'll admit I'm a Protoss fan, but I can definitely appreciate awesome Terran and Zerg plays and players too. I enjoy feints, I love ambushes, I'm impressed by perfectly measured responses and dizzying multitasking, but I need the race diversity to keep things fresh. And that's the beauty of Brood War. You have three very different factions with different philosophies and play styles yet balanced somehow. It didn't evolve into a mirror match up fest of one race spamming series after series. But sadly it seems, that's where SC2 is heading and may not survive in Korea as a result. It just may be SC2 will be the game for foreigners while Brood War remains the mainstay for Koreans.


TL;DR Just watch the video!

On September 22 2011 14:42 ppdealer wrote:


Really? Terran is only most nerfed if you have a selected memory and the only change you can remember from beta are of reaper and siege tank. Zerg had almost all of their units nerfed (queen, roach, hydra, infestor, broodlord; lurker was removed right before close beta invites were sent out), while Terran's gotten shorter build time on all of their production structure (one of which is reverted in patch 1.4); banshee was buffed; turret was buffed; thor was somewhat buffed. Protoss has just recently caught up with Zerg with the warpgate nerf a while ago.

On September 22 2011 15:09 sup3rchan wrote:
The ZvP graph is really bipolar. Max two months of any one side being dominant, and the swings are usually ridiculous. I guess the metagame is still very unpredictable and volatile.

On September 22 2011 07:58 Snowbear wrote:


- tanks lost 25 damage vs light, 10 vs armored (previous: 60 damage vs everything)

- emp only kills 100 energy (previous: all energy)

- the ghost cost changed to 200/100 (this is a nerf, because gas is no problem for terran, minerals are)

- the thor is feedbackable + strike cannon change (they made it an upgrade, 150 energy for cannon) (+ damage nerfs)

- medviacs are slower + heal slower then before

- battlecruisers got nerfed (damage)

- bunker nerfs

- hellion nerf

- reaper nerf

So basicly the units that are not nerfed:
- banshee
- raven
- marauder
- marine
- viking

On September 22 2011 15:03 sraelgaiznaer wrote:


This. I play Protoss on a Platinum level and I don't get affected at all with this balance issues everyone is saying. However when I watch tournaments and high level plays like GSL I get sad seeing good players get knocked out. Take for example the first game between Huk and Virus in the GSL yesterday + Show Spoiler + Even MC and Puma's games were depressing to watch. I know MC is in a slump lately but he is still not that bad compared to others. Oh well I'll stop ranting and just play because I still enjoy it whatever other people say.

On September 22 2011 07:58 Snowbear wrote:


- the ghost cost changed to 200/100 (this is a nerf, because gas is no problem for terran, minerals are)