EPThttp://sixjaxgaming.com/blog/2011/09/dispelling-some-rumors-surrounding-juan-lopezs-release
Might be worth adding it to the OP.
[Update] Major released from Sixjax - Page 56
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antikk555
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http://sixjaxgaming.com/blog/2011/09/dispelling-some-rumors-surrounding-juan-lopezs-release Might be worth adding it to the OP. | ||
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zeru
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dubRa
2165 Posts
And now for the good news: Major invited to nshoseo fuck yea! | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
keep this shit to yourselves, this isn't reality tv | ||
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DrunkenTemplar
Australia647 Posts
On September 05 2011 18:55 HaruRH wrote: You don't understand the scenario here. Let's review what sixjax did here. 1. Sixjax gave a very brief statement accusing majOr of 'Breaching of contract with blah blah blah', with no sufficient evidence. 2. Sixjax had the cheek to create a forum topic on thier forum site about 'complains about juan (majOr)'. 3. Sixjax then made a blog post about this incident. It was all to defame majOr further with little to no evidence. Also, their proclaimed 'evidence' were full of crap, such as 'breach of contract as majOr did not wear his team jersey to MLG' etc. Now, let's review what other notable players said. 1. Skew called the sixjax business model a 'scam'. 2. MajOr gave valid points as to why he resigned, instead of leaving by breaching of contract. With these points, I'm hoping you get the idea of why everyone thinks Sixjax is to blame here. The whole SEA hooha was a joke. Will you kick out your flagship player because he smurfed in a tournament? Well, I am a SEA player too and I thought bad of majOr's action too. However, by calmly thinking about the situation, you will be hit by the hammer of truth. This is what I gathered so far: Sixjax is pretty much in the wrong right now, with little evidence to back its claims, wanting to kick out majOr without losing face (breaking promise anyone?). Assuming what sixjax just recently released about major is correct and everything (abusing team mates and lying to management about not having a team shirt in particular), it's kinda funny reading these kind of posts. At the end of the day we should all probably take a step back and not rant about team drama episodes when we have 0 idea what the whole story is. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 05 2011 19:56 zeru wrote: How do you know what the contract says, have you seen it? Um, when you sign a 15-month contract, and it's only 5 months in, it's pretty safe to say the client has a reasonable expectation that you fulfill more than 33% of the term you committed to. To be quite frank it's obvious that anyone that is taking Major side is either 15 or younger, is still in school, never read or written a contract, never hired a contracter, or even managed an employee. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that based on Major and Skew's posts, they're not prepared to be on team, or even employed. It doesn't mean they're necessarily bad guys or bad players. But maybe they should be like Destiny and pave their own way, instead of pretending there is a fantasy world where you can be paid by someone else to behave however you want and do every on your own terms. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On September 05 2011 19:58 dubRa wrote: After reading the sixjax statement, sorry but I blame sixjax And now for the good news: Major invited to nshoseo fuck yea! I hope they don't have Major for long, they are my favourite team and they shouldn't have anything to do with players of his caliber. But I guess they just saw he was a great player, if he hasn't changed when he practices with them in Korea he might be such a emberassment for foreigners, imagine what sc2con will think... T_T | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:12 Defacer wrote: Um, when you sign a 15-month contract, and it's only 5 months in, it's pretty safe to say the client has a reasonable expectation that you fulfill more than 33% of the term you committed to. To be quite frank it's obvious that anyone that is taking Major side is either 15 or younger, is still in school, never read or written a contract, never hired a contracter, or even managed an employee. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that based on Major and Skew's posts, they're not prepared to be on team, or even employed. It doesn't mean they're necessarily bad guys or bad players. But maybe they should be like Destiny and pave their own way, instead of pretending there is a fantasy world where you can be paid by someone else to behave however you want and do every on your own terms. This is BS. Off course you have to follow the team rules, but that doesn't mean the team can break their own promises to the players. They have every right to be pissed at their team for breaking their promises. If the team can't fulfill their promises they should let that know to the players and terminate the contract if they want too. | ||
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Amestir
Netherlands2126 Posts
Who would have guessed? | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:22 Jakkerr wrote: This is BS. Off course you have to follow the team rules, but that doesn't mean the team can break their own promises to the players. They have every right to be pissed at their team for breaking their promises. If the team can't fulfill their promises they should let that know to the players and terminate the contract if they want too. Why would a team keep the promises (not in contract) when the player is blatantly breaking the team rules? | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
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zeru
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:27 zeru wrote: That is why im asking if you actually have seen the sixjax contracts, because i havent. And you correctly continued your analysis by assuming that all of that is a "scam", that SixJax is "shady" and whatnot - because it couldn't possibly be that they are just....right. | ||
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Roberi
Sweden347 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:12 Defacer wrote: Um, when you sign a 15-month contract, and it's only 5 months in, it's pretty safe to say the client has a reasonable expectation that you fulfill more than 33% of the term you committed to. To be quite frank it's obvious that anyone that is taking Major side is either 15 or younger, is still in school, never read or written a contract, never hired a contracter, or even managed an employee. And it's clear that you have no clue how contracts in sports work. I wonder how football players from big clubs are able to change clubs if their contract is still running. According to you they wouldnt be allowed to negotiate with their potentially new clubs. And it never happens that the club who contracted the player encourages the player to find a new team. So as long as we dont know the details of the contract it's pure speculation from your part that major's breaking the contract when negotiating with new teams. He can even join a new team if he wants to with his old contract still being valid. Sure, it's unlikely that the contract doesnt cover this, but hey - I'm just going to speculate about the content of the contract like you! | ||
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sk1nex
Finland299 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:32 Zocat wrote: And it's clear that you have no clue how contracts in sports work. I wonder how football players from big clubs are able to change clubs if their contract is still running. According to you they wouldnt be allowed to negotiate with their potentially new clubs. And it never happens that the club who contracted the player encourages the player to find a new team. So as long as we dont know the details of the contract it's pure speculation from your part that major's breaking the contract when negotiating with new teams. He can even join a new team if he wants to with his old contract still being valid. Sure, it's unlikely that the contract doesnt cover this, but hey - I'm just going to speculate about the content of the contract like you! I'm not so sure about Euro sports, but in NA, players need the teams permission to seek out other teams. And then a trade is made. Very different. Only time players talk to teams is if they are free agents and thats during a free agency period, which doesnt exist in sc2. And I highly doubt he can join a new team and not break his contract with sixjax. Thats kinda the point of the contract with a team, so you rep that team and not another one. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:22 Jakkerr wrote: This is BS. Off course you have to follow the team rules, but that doesn't mean the team can break their own promises to the players. They have every right to be pissed at their team for breaking their promises. If the team can't fulfill their promises they should let that know to the players and terminate the contract if they want too. I'm not arguing that Major shouldn't be pissed. But there is no indication that Sixjax has, contractually, not met his terms. Honestly, if Major wanted to play in Korea, he should have tried to join a team that already had players in Korea, like EG or Liquid. He took a leap of faith on a new team, and in all fairness to Sixjax, Major indicated in his posts that Sixjax was making an effort to develop some kind of partnership with Korean teams. It may not have been fast or productive enough for his liking, but that's still not a team breaking their promise. He's only been on the team for 5-months. Korea is expensive, and sending a player there isolates them from the rest of the foreign scene. It almost guarantees limited participation in foreign tournaments. I doubt any NA team with brains would agree to terms guaranteeing an indefinite stay in Korea, unless your EGHuk or EGPuma. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On September 05 2011 20:32 Zocat wrote: And it's clear that you have no clue how contracts in sports work. I wonder how football players from big clubs are able to change clubs if their contract is still running. According to you they wouldnt be allowed to negotiate with their potentially new clubs. And it never happens that the club who contracted the player encourages the player to find a new team. Football players change clubs because their contract is terminated when the other club pays a huge sum - nothing else IS the transfer-sum, the amount of money a club has to pay to the other club for letting a player go. If the other club doesn't want to let the player go, they simply don't have to. Of course this rarely happens because the player is unlikely to perform as well. And you never have players talk directly to other clubs, not without repercussions. The other club always approaches the club and not the player first. | ||
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