To be honest, this sixjax team has been going downhill for a very long time. They didn't even send any players to the last MLG apart from those who went with their own funds. MajOr is better off without these guys, who are pretty much screwed in any team tournaments without him. I don't really blame Juan for this at all, as he's shown that he's changed significantly if not completely by staying with the team for almost a year despite them promising to send him to Korea when he first joined and never holding to that promise at all.
On September 05 2011 06:20 Drazzzt wrote: Wow, evoli is talking about professionalism and then makes a completely unprofessional post? (debating unproved internas)
That's kinda hilarious. Maybe he should learn about professional behavior himself?
How is the post so unprofessional?
I went back and read it again and it looks fine to me
My beef with it is that Major said he left Sixjax
that whole statement sounded like Sixjax kicked him out.
That's typical behaviour though. Everyone wants to sound like the dumper not the dumpee.
On September 05 2011 05:24 legaton wrote: Remember who also left Root because they couldn't offer any kinf of material support to their players?
Qxc. Do people hate Qxc for it? Apparently, people don't even remember he was once in Root.
Why do you care about clan hopping in Broodwar?
Are you trying to prove you are a real teamliquider? Are you old-skool? Most people talking about Major's past have never made a single post in the Broodwar forums, yet they talk about stuff they don't know shit about. The only people that have the right to still be pissed off with Major are some clan managers. Still, what does it means to be a clan-hopper in BW? Most pro-ams have had tenths of tags.
Maj0r was the best player in Sixjax by far (even of DDE and Vibe were also good), and the team heavily relied in him for all clan/team tournaments. He got the boot because he talked about how badly run his team was in the MLG thread. Unprofessional? Maybe. But he didn't lie about what he said.
One is a breach of legal contract, one is not.
DDE is the strongest player on sixjax.
DDE ? lol
are people serious ? or they trolling ?
i can't believe stuff i am reading around here. it's so sad to see angry nerds trash talking a really good player who didn't really do anything to gain all this hate.
lol? Even Major acknowledges DDE's skills. You have no idea.
i never said he's not good, i actually like DDE but i feel major multi tasking and decision making is way better and it is what on the long run is gonna make him more successful than dde.
anyway, i am just baffled by all these angry comments towards major, part of this community sometimes is ridiculous :/
you have been a tl member all of two or three months. do you know major's history with the foreign scene and tl.net? his constant team jumping? history repeats itself.
rotfl, do you realize membership registration has nothing to do with what i know or from how long i have been following the SC2 scene right ?
i am very well aware of everything and he did not do anything major to gain all this hate. tell me a good reason why he should get all this hate.
your post does not make any sense. it is really obvious that this last move can't be described as "Team jumping" so it has nothing to do with it.
this is absolutely far from "history repeats itself" - if you were actually trying to realize what happened you'd understand it is really different from the team jumping or the root-thing.
it is really obvious that sixjax had a poor administration, did not send his good players like major and DDE to mlg to send evoli (lol) and they made deals they could not promise over and over. i would not be surprised to see artosis take distance from sixjax too, but i'm sure in that case everyone will magically "realize" that maybe sixjax isn't a great team and this time major has done nothing wrong.
the release explanation of major from their "press" section shows how unprofessional and amateur the management of sixjax is.
people like you just tying "obvious, lol." "history repeats itself" blabla are totally clueless and fail to analyze what are the reasons behind major's and sixjax's move.
His history didn't begin with SC2 lol. And it's easy to carry the hate over time because he hasn't really done anything aside from stirring shit. Actions speak louder than words, and so far pretty much all of his actions have been negative.
On September 05 2011 06:20 Drazzzt wrote: Wow, evoli is talking about professionalism and then makes a completely unprofessional post? (debating unproved internas)
That's kinda hilarious. Maybe he should learn about professional behavior himself?
How is the post so unprofessional?
I went back and read it again and it looks fine to me
My beef with it is that Major said he left Sixjax
that whole statement sounded like Sixjax kicked him out.
The MajOr of the past would just leave sixjax, while the MajOr today asked to be released and sixjax relented, though not without firing some passing shots. Sixjax represented an opportunity to MajOr when he first joined and obviously he came to realize that he was fooled into signing a contract induced by broken verbal promises. He didn't act professionally at all times, but it seems from the tone of both statements that it was MajOr's request to leave that provoked his release from contract and not his BM, which was a scapegoat excuse for sixjax.
On September 05 2011 05:24 legaton wrote: Remember who also left Root because they couldn't offer any kinf of material support to their players?
Qxc. Do people hate Qxc for it? Apparently, people don't even remember he was once in Root.
Why do you care about clan hopping in Broodwar?
Are you trying to prove you are a real teamliquider? Are you old-skool? Most people talking about Major's past have never made a single post in the Broodwar forums, yet they talk about stuff they don't know shit about. The only people that have the right to still be pissed off with Major are some clan managers. Still, what does it means to be a clan-hopper in BW? Most pro-ams have had tenths of tags.
Maj0r was the best player in Sixjax by far (even of DDE and Vibe were also good), and the team heavily relied in him for all clan/team tournaments. He got the boot because he talked about how badly run his team was in the MLG thread. Unprofessional? Maybe. But he didn't lie about what he said.
One is a breach of legal contract, one is not.
DDE is the strongest player on sixjax.
DDE ? lol
are people serious ? or they trolling ?
i can't believe stuff i am reading around here. it's so sad to see angry nerds trash talking a really good player who didn't really do anything to gain all this hate.
lol? Even Major acknowledges DDE's skills. You have no idea.
i never said he's not good, i actually like DDE but i feel major multi tasking and decision making is way better and it is what on the long run is gonna make him more successful than dde.
anyway, i am just baffled by all these angry comments towards major, part of this community sometimes is ridiculous :/
you have been a tl member all of two or three months. do you know major's history with the foreign scene and tl.net? his constant team jumping? history repeats itself.
rotfl, do you realize membership registration has nothing to do with what i know or from how long i have been following the SC2 scene right ?
i am very well aware of everything and he did not do anything major to gain all this hate. tell me a good reason why he should get all this hate.
your post does not make any sense. it is really obvious that this last move can't be described as "Team jumping" so it has nothing to do with it.
this is absolutely far from "history repeats itself" - if you were actually trying to realize what happened you'd understand it is really different from the team jumping or the root-thing.
it is really obvious that sixjax had a poor administration, did not send his good players like major and DDE to mlg to send evoli (lol) and they made deals they could not promise over and over. i would not be surprised to see artosis take distance from sixjax too, but i'm sure in that case everyone will magically "realize" that maybe sixjax isn't a great team and this time major has done nothing wrong.
the release explanation of major from their "press" section shows how unprofessional and amateur the management of sixjax is.
people like you just tying "obvious, lol." "history repeats itself" blabla are totally clueless and fail to analyze what are the reasons behind major's and sixjax's move.
His history didn't begin with SC2 lol. And it's easy to carry the hate over time because he hasn't really done anything aside from stirring shit. Actions speak louder than words, and so far pretty much all of his actions have been negative.
that's completely retarded because he has not done anything really "serious" or "major" to gain real hate. disappointment maybe ? people who do not like his attitude towards team maybe ? but those are not serious issues to hate someone like some people do in this topic. the whole SEA-thing is just so hilariously stupid that i hope no one would hate on a player because of that.
there's people in this community who have acted like douchebags and/or messed up several times and get 1/10 of the hate this kid gets for no reason. he's also 18 and one of the best NA and foreign player in the world. people should stop bashing players and use their time in some other way.
just take a look at the live reports threads for GSL, nowadays it became so popular trash talking... one player makes one mistake and you see 2 pages of "rofl, X so bad" "rotfl, so happy to see this scrub out" - it seems people are frustrated or something.. otherwise I do not understand how can such a "small" news of someone leaving a team cause so much drama.
i hope he gets to go to KR and train where he belongs.
He is one of the few good players in the whole NA scene. Fucking shitty players and people that don't know him hating. If the team isn't helping him do what he wants then fuck the team. There are teams that send bad players to mlg so why would major stay on a team that is not sending him there.
On September 05 2011 02:23 NrG.NeverExpo wrote: I dislike major as much as the next person, but I don't really think he should be badgered about this decision. He is a very good player, one of the best. He has laid out his goals in front of him, and made them apparent to the teams he joins. If they agree to helping him fulfill his goals, and don't follow through with it, then I feel like he has the right to pursue other teams. Juan deserves to go to korea, he is, in my opinion, one of the few NON-KOREAN foreigners who could actually last a real long time there. He has the work ethic and the motivation to keep up with korean practice hours, and even now he has the skill to compete at their level.
I think his stint with sixjax should actually bring his reputation up a bit in everyone's books. You're all kinda harassing him just because of who he is, but if a Terran on his level, say DeMusliM for example, stopped getting support from his sponsors, he would most likely want to leave too right? No one would be upset with that. Top class players deserve top class support, that's what Major is after.
this i totally agree sixjax is at fault here even tho major has a shitty reputation he has the skills to make it happen in korea
On September 05 2011 05:24 legaton wrote: Remember who also left Root because they couldn't offer any kinf of material support to their players?
Qxc. Do people hate Qxc for it? Apparently, people don't even remember he was once in Root.
Why do you care about clan hopping in Broodwar?
Are you trying to prove you are a real teamliquider? Are you old-skool? Most people talking about Major's past have never made a single post in the Broodwar forums, yet they talk about stuff they don't know shit about. The only people that have the right to still be pissed off with Major are some clan managers. Still, what does it means to be a clan-hopper in BW? Most pro-ams have had tenths of tags.
Maj0r was the best player in Sixjax by far (even of DDE and Vibe were also good), and the team heavily relied in him for all clan/team tournaments. He got the boot because he talked about how badly run his team was in the MLG thread. Unprofessional? Maybe. But he didn't lie about what he said.
One is a breach of legal contract, one is not.
DDE is the strongest player on sixjax.
DDE ? lol
are people serious ? or they trolling ?
i can't believe stuff i am reading around here. it's so sad to see angry nerds trash talking a really good player who didn't really do anything to gain all this hate.
lol? Even Major acknowledges DDE's skills. You have no idea.
i never said he's not good, i actually like DDE but i feel major multi tasking and decision making is way better and it is what on the long run is gonna make him more successful than dde.
anyway, i am just baffled by all these angry comments towards major, part of this community sometimes is ridiculous :/
you have been a tl member all of two or three months. do you know major's history with the foreign scene and tl.net? his constant team jumping? history repeats itself.
rotfl, do you realize membership registration has nothing to do with what i know or from how long i have been following the SC2 scene right ?
i am very well aware of everything and he did not do anything major to gain all this hate. tell me a good reason why he should get all this hate.
your post does not make any sense. it is really obvious that this last move can't be described as "Team jumping" so it has nothing to do with it.
this is absolutely far from "history repeats itself" - if you were actually trying to realize what happened you'd understand it is really different from the team jumping or the root-thing.
it is really obvious that sixjax had a poor administration, did not send his good players like major and DDE to mlg to send evoli (lol) and they made deals they could not promise over and over. i would not be surprised to see artosis take distance from sixjax too, but i'm sure in that case everyone will magically "realize" that maybe sixjax isn't a great team and this time major has done nothing wrong.
the release explanation of major from their "press" section shows how unprofessional and amateur the management of sixjax is.
people like you just tying "obvious, lol." "history repeats itself" blabla are totally clueless and fail to analyze what are the reasons behind major's and sixjax's move.
His history didn't begin with SC2 lol. And it's easy to carry the hate over time because he hasn't really done anything aside from stirring shit. Actions speak louder than words, and so far pretty much all of his actions have been negative.
that's completely retarded because he has not done anything really "serious" or "major" to gain real hate. disappointment maybe ? people who do not like his attitude towards team maybe ? but those are not serious issues to hate someone like some people do in this topic. the whole SEA-thing is just so hilariously stupid that i hope no one would hate on a player because of that.
there's people in this community who have acted like douchebags and/or messed up several times and get 1/10 of the hate this kid gets for no reason. he's also 18 and one of the best NA and foreign player in the world. people should stop bashing players and use their time in some other way.
just take a look at the live reports threads for GSL, nowadays it became so popular trash talking... one player makes one mistake and you see 2 pages of "rofl, X so bad" "rotfl, so happy to see this scrub out" - it seems people are frustrated or something.. otherwise I do not understand how can such a "small" news of someone leaving a team cause so much drama.
i hope he gets to go to KR and train where he belongs.
But when you put like 6 years of constant negative attention, people tend to remember it lol. I don't think people are really hating him, per se, but it's not really all that surprising to us when it keeps repeating itself.
On September 05 2011 05:37 LuckyFool wrote: sixjax went from being run the right way in dallas:
to a complete fail in Raleigh with evoli being the lone sixjax representative by paying his own way...
Quite an impressive crash in the span of a few months. I'm sad though because there was such great potential for this team. the squad that was in dallas looked like they were going to have an awesome future... Goes to show a few greedy people and bad money management and some horrible business decisions can quite easily kill a 2nd tier sponsored team in the scene.
On September 05 2011 06:20 Drazzzt wrote: Wow, evoli is talking about professionalism and then makes a completely unprofessional post? (debating unproved internas)
That's kinda hilarious. Maybe he should learn about professional behavior himself?
How is the post so unprofessional?
I went back and read it again and it looks fine to me
My beef with it is that Major said he left Sixjax
that whole statement sounded like Sixjax kicked him out.
That's typical behaviour though. Everyone wants to sound like the dumper not the dumpee.
Typical behavior by team management isn't writing vindictive public posts towards your players or former-players. Typical behavior is a post which reads something along the lines of "there is a mutual agreement to part ways." Also it's funny how people are citing the grammar and spelling errors in Major's post as evidence of a lack of authenticity on his part while ignoring evoli's errors.
Here again we have an example of a TL drama thread where everyone gets to stick their nose in something that's not their business. Honestly for you people who have multiple posts in this thread despite no personal involvement - do you really care that much?
Also funny how you see pro players pop up in threads about players/teams they may have a grudge against and make inflammatory statements before fading into the woodwork and not posting again. Examples in this thread are orb and Skew. You would think these people would have a little more discretion...
On September 05 2011 05:24 legaton wrote: Remember who also left Root because they couldn't offer any kinf of material support to their players?
Qxc. Do people hate Qxc for it? Apparently, people don't even remember he was once in Root.
Why do you care about clan hopping in Broodwar?
Are you trying to prove you are a real teamliquider? Are you old-skool? Most people talking about Major's past have never made a single post in the Broodwar forums, yet they talk about stuff they don't know shit about. The only people that have the right to still be pissed off with Major are some clan managers. Still, what does it means to be a clan-hopper in BW? Most pro-ams have had tenths of tags.
Maj0r was the best player in Sixjax by far (even of DDE and Vibe were also good), and the team heavily relied in him for all clan/team tournaments. He got the boot because he talked about how badly run his team was in the MLG thread. Unprofessional? Maybe. But he didn't lie about what he said.
One is a breach of legal contract, one is not.
DDE is the strongest player on sixjax.
DDE ? lol
are people serious ? or they trolling ?
i can't believe stuff i am reading around here. it's so sad to see angry nerds trash talking a really good player who didn't really do anything to gain all this hate.
lol? Even Major acknowledges DDE's skills. You have no idea.
i never said he's not good, i actually like DDE but i feel major multi tasking and decision making is way better and it is what on the long run is gonna make him more successful than dde.
anyway, i am just baffled by all these angry comments towards major, part of this community sometimes is ridiculous :/
you have been a tl member all of two or three months. do you know major's history with the foreign scene and tl.net? his constant team jumping? history repeats itself.
rotfl, do you realize membership registration has nothing to do with what i know or from how long i have been following the SC2 scene right ?
i am very well aware of everything and he did not do anything major to gain all this hate. tell me a good reason why he should get all this hate.
your post does not make any sense. it is really obvious that this last move can't be described as "Team jumping" so it has nothing to do with it.
this is absolutely far from "history repeats itself" - if you were actually trying to realize what happened you'd understand it is really different from the team jumping or the root-thing.
it is really obvious that sixjax had a poor administration, did not send his good players like major and DDE to mlg to send evoli (lol) and they made deals they could not promise over and over. i would not be surprised to see artosis take distance from sixjax too, but i'm sure in that case everyone will magically "realize" that maybe sixjax isn't a great team and this time major has done nothing wrong.
the release explanation of major from their "press" section shows how unprofessional and amateur the management of sixjax is.
people like you just tying "obvious, lol." "history repeats itself" blabla are totally clueless and fail to analyze what are the reasons behind major's and sixjax's move.
His history didn't begin with SC2 lol. And it's easy to carry the hate over time because he hasn't really done anything aside from stirring shit. Actions speak louder than words, and so far pretty much all of his actions have been negative.
You sound like you take everything at face value. You know that Juan was a young high school student back in his BW trouble days right? And we're talking like 14-15 here. And you know hat BW teams weren't professional and acted more like clans or even WoW guilds right? You can join and leave at will with no consequence except for the bitchings of a leader who thought he had got the new star when he joined. I prefer to look at things in their context and circumstance and Juan seems to have left sixjax for the same reason that he left Root. Root didn't have sponsors and couldn't send him anywhere to any tournaments, and especially not Korea, so he left and joined sixjax as they represented a career opportunity to him to give him Korean training and tournament experience. It seemed obvious to him that these promises were no longer going to be fulfilled at sixjax either and he asked for a release and got one. He didn't break any terms apart from the ones that evoli vaguely mentions as a scapegoat excuse, which is unprofessional as it is a slander against Juan but doesn't go into details to prove their existence. Indeed Juan could sue sixjax for libel if he has the necessary evidence to back it up.
On September 05 2011 06:32 StrinterN wrote: If what Terran said in the statement is true, i totally understand why he left..
I have to agree with this. Major's shown some immaturity and unprofessionalism in the past, but he is young and really, really good at this game. If NSH said they would have him and his team wouldn't send him to korea to train with them, I can completely understand why he'd want to leave sixjax and find someone who would.
On September 05 2011 05:52 Skew wrote: lol not a single player would be on Sixjax right now if they weren't afraid of being sued
Elaborate or what the fuck was the point of chiming in?
Just to stir up some stupid drama?
obviously he can't elaborate, he doesn't want to be sued
I think he means that like players on most teams, they are under contract. And you can't just walk away from a contract without renegotiating terms or, well, breeching it.
Don't think MajOr is in the wrong here personally, looks more like SixJax simply didn't give him what he was promised. When I read about SixJax before, I knew there'd be something stupid like this popping up. The idea just didn't seem to have any actual heart in it.
On September 05 2011 05:24 legaton wrote: Remember who also left Root because they couldn't offer any kinf of material support to their players?
Qxc. Do people hate Qxc for it? Apparently, people don't even remember he was once in Root.
Why do you care about clan hopping in Broodwar?
Are you trying to prove you are a real teamliquider? Are you old-skool? Most people talking about Major's past have never made a single post in the Broodwar forums, yet they talk about stuff they don't know shit about. The only people that have the right to still be pissed off with Major are some clan managers. Still, what does it means to be a clan-hopper in BW? Most pro-ams have had tenths of tags.
Maj0r was the best player in Sixjax by far (even of DDE and Vibe were also good), and the team heavily relied in him for all clan/team tournaments. He got the boot because he talked about how badly run his team was in the MLG thread. Unprofessional? Maybe. But he didn't lie about what he said.
One is a breach of legal contract, one is not.
DDE is the strongest player on sixjax.
DDE ? lol
are people serious ? or they trolling ?
i can't believe stuff i am reading around here. it's so sad to see angry nerds trash talking a really good player who didn't really do anything to gain all this hate.
lol? Even Major acknowledges DDE's skills. You have no idea.
i never said he's not good, i actually like DDE but i feel major multi tasking and decision making is way better and it is what on the long run is gonna make him more successful than dde.
anyway, i am just baffled by all these angry comments towards major, part of this community sometimes is ridiculous :/
you have been a tl member all of two or three months. do you know major's history with the foreign scene and tl.net? his constant team jumping? history repeats itself.
rotfl, do you realize membership registration has nothing to do with what i know or from how long i have been following the SC2 scene right ?
i am very well aware of everything and he did not do anything major to gain all this hate. tell me a good reason why he should get all this hate.
your post does not make any sense. it is really obvious that this last move can't be described as "Team jumping" so it has nothing to do with it.
this is absolutely far from "history repeats itself" - if you were actually trying to realize what happened you'd understand it is really different from the team jumping or the root-thing.
it is really obvious that sixjax had a poor administration, did not send his good players like major and DDE to mlg to send evoli (lol) and they made deals they could not promise over and over. i would not be surprised to see artosis take distance from sixjax too, but i'm sure in that case everyone will magically "realize" that maybe sixjax isn't a great team and this time major has done nothing wrong.
the release explanation of major from their "press" section shows how unprofessional and amateur the management of sixjax is.
people like you just tying "obvious, lol." "history repeats itself" blabla are totally clueless and fail to analyze what are the reasons behind major's and sixjax's move.
His history didn't begin with SC2 lol. And it's easy to carry the hate over time because he hasn't really done anything aside from stirring shit. Actions speak louder than words, and so far pretty much all of his actions have been negative.
You sound like you take everything at face value. You know that Juan was a young high school student back in his BW trouble days right? And we're talking like 14-15 here. And you know hat BW teams weren't professional and acted more like clans or even WoW guilds right? You can join and leave at will with no consequence except for the bitchings of a leader who thought he had got the new star when he joined. I prefer to look at things in their context and circumstance and Juan seems to have left sixjax for the same reason that he left Root. Root didn't have sponsors and couldn't send him anywhere to any tournaments, and especially not Korea, so he left and joined sixjax as they represented a career opportunity to him to give him Korean training and tournament experience. It seemed obvious to him that these promises were no longer going to be fulfilled at sixjax either and he asked for a release and got one. He didn't break any terms apart from the ones that evoli vaguely mentions as a scapegoat excuse, which is unprofessional as it is a slander against Juan but doesn't go into details to prove their existence. Indeed Juan could sue sixjax for libel if he has the necessary evidence to back it up.
The bold comment is exactly what I dislike. If you label someone negatively and try to kill his reputation you are obliged to back it up with facts. Otherwise it is unproven shit. I can see where SJG was coming from.
They wanted Maj0r to stay and he wanted to get out. So they realized how they could really hurt him. They knew he had a bad reputation for clan hopping. What do you do? You spin a statement in your favour ("release") and give vague allegation in order make sure maj0r will not find a new team easily.
On September 05 2011 06:23 tyCe wrote: To be honest, this sixjax team has been going downhill for a very long time. They didn't even send any players to the last MLG apart from those who went with their own funds. MajOr is better off without these guys, who are pretty much screwed in any team tournaments without him. I don't really blame Juan for this at all, as he's shown that he's changed significantly if not completely by staying with the team for almost a year despite them promising to send him to Korea when he first joined and never holding to that promise at all.
He joined them in April which makes it a bit less than half a year. Still a personal best (I think) but not all that respectable.
Still not saying I disagree, just thought that deserved mention.
Who cares, sixJax was holding him back anyways, almost no one in that team can actually meet up with his skill level. Spend 2 months, clear up his manner and personality, and he might have a chance to join a better team.
On September 05 2011 06:53 epikAnglory wrote: Who cares, sixJax was holding him back anyways, almost no one in that team can actually meet up with his skill level. Spend 2 months, clear up his manner and personality, and he might have a chance to join a better team.
EPT
Goes to show a few greedy people and bad money management and some horrible business decisions can quite easily kill a 2nd tier sponsored team in the scene.
Saw you~
