The main reason he's going is actually the IeSF iirc and he announced his trip to Korea for about a month ago ^^. I can't believe no one posted it on TL
This is awesome news. I love Grubby! He obviously has alot of capacity and maybe Korea will get him at the level he was in Warcraft 3. I sure hope so !
On September 03 2011 01:23 Muffinman53 wrote: This is great, but 1 month doesn't truly seem like enough time to reap the advantages Korea has to offer. I wish he was staying longer =\
I guess that's the problem with being married and a progamer .
I really like him as person and player (even though he's Protoss) but I feel he won't be able to qualify for Code A. Korean Terrans are just so scary and he, even though improved insane amounts, looks still a bit shaky sometimes.
Anyways I support that he goes there and tries, good luck have fun Grubby aka I eat nonstop. :D!
Grubby seems to really be flying under the radar. He has raw talent and considering another former WC3 player is doing really good (Thorzain) and Grubby is essentially the god of all things WC3, I expect him to do well.
On September 03 2011 01:38 McFeser wrote: Grubby seems to really be flying under the radar. He has raw talent and considering another former WC3 player is doing really good (Thorzain) and Grubby is essentially the god of all things WC3, I expect him to do well.
Grubby fighting! Nerves can't be an issue for him seeing as he's won over 100 tournaments in the RTS genre ya know? I think that in itself is a huge factor of making it.
Best of luck Grubby! I think this month in korea might be what turns him into a top foreigner. He's being doing ok in europe, and after training with the best of the best he will be kicking all sorts of ass; i mean, the guy is an rts legend and is obviously incredibly talented. Gogogo!
1 month for a player like Grubby who knows how to get the best out of training with experience in many foreign countries, I think this will be a great move, would of liked for him to stay longer but he has no team so im presuming he is staying eithier in GOM house or going to be paying his own way!!
1 month can help so much all you have to do is look at Fenix, hoping to see Grubby improve lots in that month with another stint In Korea for a while longer in the future to seriously improve!!!
On September 03 2011 01:38 McFeser wrote: Grubby seems to really be flying under the radar. He has raw talent and considering another former WC3 player is doing really good (Thorzain) and Grubby is essentially the god of all things WC3, I expect him to do well.
Naniwa is exWc3.
Although not amazing - especially these days - Check is also a WC3 player and at least code A material. There are also more than enough European WC3 players sitting a little below the very peak of top level international players.
A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
GL grubby , I hope he stays for more than 1 month , the more time he spends there the more likely we will finally get to see Wc3 grubby emerge in sc2 .
I don't think grubby is that close to the top of foreigners atm but if there is any player in the world that can get there and surpass that level with korean training its grubby.
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
I dont get your attitude. Do you want Grubby to not go to Korea when he qualified to go just because he's a "mediocre foreigner"? Should Drewbie tell his team not to send him for the same reason? Are qxc, drewbie, grubby etc the best players? No they arent, but even a month or whatever time they spend in Korea will help them improve from where they are right now. If they get the opportunity to spend ANY time in Korea they should take it if only just for the experience alone. If by going to Korea they learn or improve at all from where they currently are then its worth it IMO.
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
I watch Grubby play on his stream sometimes, and he seems better than his results indicate. I think it's just his game sense that really needs a lot of work. He could really use a good coach.
So instead of living alone with no team and playing SC2 in Holland, he will be living alone with no team and playing SC2 in Korea. I do not see that helping that much.
Grubby is one of the best RTS players ever and his rapid improvement will only continue and flourish when he trains with the current best in the world over in Korea.
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
The irony is that you complain about hostility in a mannered post then go on to bash on grubby. Why shit on him? Manner up, bro
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
My hostility is a direct result of content of your comment. If you don't see how it could be in any way offensive, you should ask yourself if you'd say that out loud in front of Grubby's face.
If there's one thing Grubby knows how to do, it's how to train. He probably knows better than you or I how to allocate his time for maximum improvement while he's in Korea. He will be fine, and he will improve at his own rate. Even if there's little chance of him making Code A, there's no reason to discourage him from going to Korea or from trying out, especially if he's going to be there anyways. It's a good way to measure your skill, for one thing, and it's always beneficial to experience the Code A qualifiers at least once so you know what it's like to play in that sort of environment.
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
Yeah, absolutely. Like Naniwa and Thorzain.
Naniwa and Thorzain are much better SC2 players.
Not that this is directed at you, but thinking that WC3 skill => SC2 skill is even more naive than thinking SC1 skill => SC2 skill... I mean, in the latter case, at least it's a sequel. It's useful to be have previously been a pro at a RTS rather than being a complete amateur, of course, but it doesn't translate over completely.
Besides, with a wife and all, I feel like Grubby's priorities (like many aged SC1 players and gamers) will have begun to shift. Most players don't decline to physically deteriorating with age, but because they can't put as much time into it. Plus being one of the undisputed best at WC3 might dull that hunger for a championship that a lot of other older players have.
I don't doubt his passion, but I just don't believe that Grubby will ever become a dominant force in SC2.
Grubby is horrible at sc2. Its sad. I really hope this makes him at least viable to watch in matches. I really wanted him to do well but he doesn't seem very well suited to protoss. I'm not sure if its the wrong race for him or what...
I dunno overall I think protoss is really the most uncertain in terms of balance of all races atm.
I don't see why some people are being negative here. It doesn't matter if he qualifies for Code A or not, It would be great if he does but even if he doesn't that experience will only make him strive to improve and do better. The fact that he is going to Korea is a huge leap forward.
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
This is a lot of starcraft life wisdom being dropped by someone who joined TL less than 3 months ago. (insert "I've been lurking for years" response in reply).
I think the hope of this community and outside korea is that we CAN keep up with the Koreans. These extended trips to the "mecca of ESPORTS" help teach forgeiners why and how the Koreans stay so far ahead. I just hope that more and more forgeiners take the korean method to their own team houses and practice schedules.
On September 03 2011 02:23 lizzard_warish wrote: *facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
I think this post is "immature and short sighted"...
Sick I love watching Grubby play :D. I don't see him making it into Code A unless they offer him a place but he will certainly improve a lot over there :D
Grubby is a wc3 legend... i guess he knows what it needs to improve...
In terms of pure skill and experience he will be the best foreigner in korea. If he can get good and consistent practice he will improve greatly for sure!!!
I'm not usually a fanboy type of guy, but to Manuel aka. Grubby I just have to give out my respects. He is professional in everything he does and is the perfect role model when it comes to ESPORTS in Europe and the "West", I'd say.
He knows how to handle himself, he knows how to appear in public, he knows to be passionate about ESPORTS and he knows how to freakingly work hard and practice.
I'm actually glad he went solo, I hope even more sponsors attach unto Grubby. I would barely wish so strongly for someone else so remote and away from my real life, but for such special individuals I can't help but to wish them the best. White-Ra is another one of this kind, obviously.
I'm glad he is going to Korea, he will work hard, as usual, and hopefully return stronger than ever.
I've seen Grubby grown back when I played Warcraft III and I must admit that he's a phenomenal player and a fast learner. I promise you that this one month in Korea he will suck up as much knowledge as possible and become one of the, if not, best foreign protoss player.
On September 03 2011 02:55 ReseT wrote: I've seen Grubby grown back when I played Warcraft III and I must admit that he's a phenomenal player and a fast learner. I promise you that this one month in Korea he will suck up as much knowledge as possible and become one of the, if not, best foreign protoss player.
oh, he's gonna improve, but let's not be silly and say things like that
Anyone who has watched him stream can see he has tons of potential and see why he was one of the best in wc3. His mouse control and micro is just so smooth and nice its great to watch, way above some other protoss who stream a lot like incontrol tbh, he also does some neat tactics. Shame he picked protoss though, lol. Hope to see him improve more, sc2 needs more good protoss.
it will be good for grubby's play, even if it's for a month. grubby is without doubt one of the most intelligent pro gamers out there, will he get an code A spot ... doubtfull but why not hope he does, if any one knows how to compete and beat koreans it's him. different game maybe but practice and xp are a great tool. and grubby got plenty of that in his career. Hope you do well Grubby, best of luck.
I've been hearing that Grubby will own ever since he started playing. He hasn't. I've heard marvelling over what a poster-figure for Esports he is. People have a short memory. It's cool that he will try out for Code A but come on.
Knew about this for some time already and I think it's amazing. Grubby is improving quite well lately and this can only speed up the process. I suppose Cass is going with him but would be nice to get this confirmed.
I guess if you're going to make it your life, you shouldn't be screwing around in the foreign arena. If you're serious about sc2, then get to korea! Go Grubby!
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
This is a lot of starcraft life wisdom being dropped by someone who joined TL less than 3 months ago. (insert "I've been lurking for years" response in reply).
I think the hope of this community and outside korea is that we CAN keep up with the Koreans. These extended trips to the "mecca of ESPORTS" help teach forgeiners why and how the Koreans stay so far ahead. I just hope that more and more forgeiners take the korean method to their own team houses and practice schedules.
If you correlate length of time on TL with anything related to life wisdom, even if you call it "starcraft life wisdom," whatever that means, then you're proving you don't have much of it either.
edit: If I had to guess, I would say that Grubby would see real, appreciable results if he spent 6 months in Korea. And by that I mean, the ability to make it deep into Code A Qualifiers, possibly qualify, and to be very competitive at all foreign tournaments, probably a top foreigner.
So to hear that he'll be there for only 1 month, well it's positive, but I don't know if we'll see much of a difference or if he has a shot to qualify for code A. Also it's possible that I don't have an accurate idea of his current skill level, because I hear he got better. Best of luck to him though.
Grubby has the talent to rise to the top for sure, it's only a matter of time if he keeps working as hard as he have. Hopefully his trip to Korea will speed things along, wish him all the best and hope I get to see him in Code A!
On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
*facepalm*
Grubby won a tournament qualifier and was invited to Korea to compete in it. Now that he'll be there, he's going to stop by Code A qualifiers along the way because, hell, why not? Do you get why he's there now? People have known about this for a month already.
Additionally, qxc has school, and Grubby has a wife. Are you going to ask them to stay in Korea full-time now?
Grubby will improve while he's there. Getting Code A would be nice, but unrealistic, and he probably knows this. As long as he's there though, why the hell not?
*facepalm* I didnt know why he was there, whats with the unbridled hostility?
And no, as I said- last post- if you arent willing to go to a prohouse or live in korea permanently you my as well give up on starcraft. Going for a month is an immature adventure, at least in grubbys case its an adventure with minor potential for profit due to a tournament. If a person isnt willing to join a pro house or live in korea, they arent taking sc2 seriously, there being immature and short sighted. Basically "playing" around as a progamer, as they have no chance in accomplishing anything.
This is a lot of starcraft life wisdom being dropped by someone who joined TL less than 3 months ago. (insert "I've been lurking for years" response in reply).
I think the hope of this community and outside korea is that we CAN keep up with the Koreans. These extended trips to the "mecca of ESPORTS" help teach forgeiners why and how the Koreans stay so far ahead. I just hope that more and more forgeiners take the korean method to their own team houses and practice schedules.
If you correlate length of time on TL with anything related to life wisdom, even if you call it "starcraft life wisdom," whatever that means, then you're proving you don't have much of it either.
edit: If I had to guess, I would say that Grubby would see real, appreciable results if he spent 6 months in Korea. And by that I mean, the ability to make it deep into Code A Qualifiers, possibly qualify, and to be very competitive at all foreign tournaments, probably a top foreigner.
So to hear that he'll be there for only 1 month, well it's positive, but I don't know if we'll see much of a difference or if he has a shot to qualify for code A. Also it's possible that I don't have an accurate idea of his current skill level, because I hear he got better. Best of luck to him though.
a. Your using the wrong definition of wisdom in my post. b. I never claimed anything that would require an extensive knowledge of Grubby, Pro SC2 or the SC community. c. I am simply claiming that the opinions lizzard were so matter-of-factly stated that only one with an extensive knowledge of pro-gaming could say accurately
Thanks sponsors @SteelSeries @EGS_inc : Going to Korea for a month to train thx to u guys btw anyone know when GSL Code A Nov Quals are?
PS; Sorry if this was posted earlier, couldn't find it when searching for it!
It's actually IM Fenix, not eg fenix. trololol
Anyway, I think anyone who plays dedicatedly would improve in Korea. Its only a month though, so I don't know how lagre the improvement is gonna be in that time.
Great news to see Grubby going to Korea to train. He was not good when he started, but he is continuing to improve. Grubby is obviously no stranger to Korea and he should have a great amount of players that he will play with.
Aaahh so gosu! I fucking LOVE grubby. If MKP, Losira and Grubby all became kittens I would take all of them home and snuggle.
Anyway, we've seen what this time has done for SaSe (watch his stream, he's a beast) Fenix and everybody else in the world who ever went to korea for any reason (yes, they all became gosu).
Also, Grubby is known around those parts somewhat I'd imagine from his WC3 days, even though WC3 is more of a china thing. I know that there will be people who say "well he's not already the best player EVAR, why would he botherlol??" (amended version). And it's obviously that he wants to get better. He wants to go SC2 full-time (at least it looks like it) and this is an excellent start.
I think Grubby still has room to improve even without going to Korea. You can only gain from the Korean training after you have reach a bottleneck in skill level. This is not going to help him much because he does not need the Korean training yet.
[QUOTE]On September 03 2011 04:41 Talco wrote: [QUOTE]On September 03 2011 01:20 VENDIZ wrote: Grubby is going to Korea for a month and will try to qualify for Code A in November!
How do you guys reckon he will do? Will he improve as much as e.g. Fenix?
Anyway, I think anyone who plays dedicatedly would improve in Korea. Its only a month though, so I don't know how lagre the improvement is gonna be in that time.[/QUOTE]
He meant it for showing an example.
""When you mean “for example,” use e.g. It is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase exempli gratia. When you mean “that is,” use “i.e.” It is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase id est. Either can be used to clarify a preceding statement, the first by example, the second by restating the idea more clearly or expanding upon it. Because these uses are so similar, the two abbreviations are easily confused. If you just stick with good old English “for example” and “that is” you won’t give anyone a chance to sneer at you. If you insist on using the abbreviation, perhaps “example given” will remind you to use “e.g.,” while “in effect” suggests “I.E.” ""
Anyways, this will be great for him. That training environment, level of competition and starcraft knowledge that he will gain will definitely up his level of play.
I had been hoping for Grubby to try his luck/skill, nice to see him wanting to qualify. I think he has a shot at code A, he has the talent and potential, but it will definitely be tough. Dutchies hwaiting!
On September 03 2011 05:09 Vinx wrote: improve as much as fenix? is he taking a robbery class while in korea?
Without knowing both sides to the story, I'll say this much; GameGune isn't in Korea, whether it was the event (where this incident occured) held in Mexico or in Spain I'm not sure - all I know is it's irrelevant to this topic.
On September 03 2011 04:41 Talco wrote: It's actually IM Fenix, not eg fenix. trololol
Anyway, I think anyone who plays dedicatedly would improve in Korea. Its only a month though, so I don't know how lagre the improvement is gonna be in that time.
He meant it for showing an example.
""When you mean “for example,” use e.g. It is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase exempli gratia. When you mean “that is,” use “i.e.” It is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase id est. Either can be used to clarify a preceding statement, the first by example, the second by restating the idea more clearly or expanding upon it. Because these uses are so similar, the two abbreviations are easily confused. If you just stick with good old English “for example” and “that is” you won’t give anyone a chance to sneer at you. If you insist on using the abbreviation, perhaps “example given” will remind you to use “e.g.,” while “in effect” suggests “I.E.” ""
Anyways, this will be great for him. That training environment, level of competition and starcraft knowledge that he will gain will definitely up his level of play.
When someone says trololol, they are usually trolololing.
Considering that I only see Code S/A scheduled till October, I wonder if there is even one in November... It could be a different tournament altogether.
On September 03 2011 02:23 Sea_Food wrote: So instead of living alone with no team and playing SC2 in Holland, he will be living alone with no team and playing SC2 in Korea. I do not see that helping that much.
I have a feeling he will be in the same house as idra/puma/huk will be, since he also thanks EG?
Not sure tho, but he also been in EG so he must still have contact with 'm.. would be awesome :D
I would much prefer if he tried it 2 times instead of 1.
But Grubby has massively improved since NASL, I think he won a few of KOTH recently and bet pretty much all European best players (even though he also lost against them all as well), which shows that he has potential.
Hope he finds a serious Korean house too, otherwise his training practice will be near useless.
Well, he's not going to qualify, but I guess it'll give him some perspective on where he stands in terms of skill right now. Live and learn. Good luck to him in any case.
On September 03 2011 06:19 Kolun wrote: Mission Impossible Even MarineKing hardly trying to win cod A final, but failed a few times. And there is many good players except MK. GL tho..
He is not trying to win Code A. At this point I think that is a very unrealistic expectation.
I like Grubby, but I don't think he has a good chance of even qualifying for code A at his current skill level. It's certain possible, but I wouldn't put money on it.
I'm sure the trip will help him improve as a player, but I can't see him as a competitor in the GSL yet.
From what I recall of his WC3 days, he had a pretty tough time in Korea--probably explaining the 1 month time limit. Hopefully this goes better for him.
Awesome awesome stuff, I would love to see Grubby in Code A, Especially if he could get through the qualifiers to get there rather than League Exchange, Should be good to see!
On September 03 2011 07:25 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: So its going to be HuK, Jinro, Naniwa, Thorzain, Grubby, Fenix, Idra, FXO guys....and.....?
That are for the time being confirmed for Korean GSL particpation
Thorzain is leaving Korea soon I think, not sure if Idra is trying out for November code A, Jinro, Thorzain, Grubby, Idra FXO etc will NOT be in the code A qualifiers in september afaik.
On September 03 2011 02:23 Sea_Food wrote: So instead of living alone with no team and playing SC2 in Holland, he will be living alone with no team and playing SC2 in Korea. I do not see that helping that much.
I have a feeling he will be in the same house as idra/puma/huk will be, since he also thanks EG?
Not sure tho, but he also been in EG so he must still have contact with 'm.. would be awesome :D
He's thanking EGS which is European Game Series so I don't think that is the case. Either way good luck to the Grubster!
Grubby has already improved tremendously from the first time I watched him stream a couple months ago. I am sure his learning curve will not slow down. : ) Will take time dealing with the Korean multitasking though.
No offense but given the track record for foreigners qualifying through code B(what is it.. like zero?) he's definitely not going to qualify. might as well try getting seeded and doing well at an MLG imo.
On September 03 2011 09:56 Ignight wrote: No offense but given the track record for foreigners qualifying through code B(what is it.. like zero?) he's definitely not going to qualify. might as well try getting seeded and doing well at an MLG imo.
Qualifying for Code A isn't his main goal obviously. His goal is to train hardcore in Korea for a month and get a lot better, if he happens to also qualify for Code A during that time it's just extras.
On September 03 2011 09:56 Ignight wrote: No offense but given the track record for foreigners qualifying through code B(what is it.. like zero?) he's definitely not going to qualify. might as well try getting seeded and doing well at an MLG imo.
He doesn't play in Korea to get seeded or good money, he plays to improve himself. What's the point of playing in MLG and your skill will still be the same? He's already richer than all MLG players anyway.
On September 03 2011 10:01 zeru wrote: Hope he decides to stay longer than 1 month :|
On September 03 2011 10:07 Brotatolol wrote: GL Grubby! I don't think 1 month will do too much, but I'd like to see how he does at the Code A qualifiers.
1 Month is actually really good practice imo. The average progamer spends around 10 hours a day practice, so that is 300 hours of Korean practice for him. Maybe he'll stay more who knows.
Definitely has the talent and the intellect to be an exceptional SC2 player. Hopefully, he can pull through and qualify, but let's be realistic. This is one of the toughest tournaments in the world!
to be honest fenix was good b4 he went to korea, at least compared to grubby in sc2. i think the environment affects people differently we will see how grubby adapts.
Grubby is the Walshy of warcraft 3. Overhyped to all extent. I'll have to look again at his results, but I'm pretty sure he was over celebrated and pretty always placing #2 or #3
On September 03 2011 11:42 OPL3SA2 wrote: Grubby is the Walshy of warcraft 3. Overhyped to all extent. I'll have to look again at his results, but I'm pretty sure he was over celebrated and pretty always placing #2 or #3
I wonder if Grubby would stay longer if he placed well in Code A. I hope he finally gets his big break in sc2 in Korea. He played pretty well in the qualifiers
On September 03 2011 11:42 OPL3SA2 wrote: Grubby is the Walshy of warcraft 3. Overhyped to all extent. I'll have to look again at his results, but I'm pretty sure he was over celebrated and pretty always placing #2 or #3
Well, he's one of the few players who have won a #2 and #3 WCG Gold. Even Moon hasn't won a WCG.
EDIT: Alright, my bad he's won only 2 WCGs. But he's won a hell lot more worldwide LANs.
On September 03 2011 04:23 Malinor wrote: At this point in the game, one month is not going to do much. Sadly I don't expect much improvement.
Don't doubt Grubby because he's only going to be there a month. QXC was in Korea about a month when he all-killed IM, just the higher skill of the ladder in Korea makes players better there.
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On September 03 2011 11:42 OPL3SA2 wrote: Grubby is the Walshy of warcraft 3. Overhyped to all extent. I'll have to look again at his results, but I'm pretty sure he was over celebrated and pretty always placing #2 or #3
He's an all time top 3 in the entire world since 2004. Most people would have rated him at 1 if not for Moon having a huge lead over him in head to head scores.
On September 03 2011 11:42 OPL3SA2 wrote: Grubby is the Walshy of warcraft 3. Overhyped to all extent. I'll have to look again at his results, but I'm pretty sure he was over celebrated and pretty always placing #2 or #3
Blashphemy! Did you even follow wc3? The King Of Orcs?
On September 03 2011 12:08 Jeremyy wrote: Just a reminder...
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On September 03 2011 02:12 lizzard_warish wrote: A month will improve his play but its not like its going to change his career around. Hes a mediocre foreigner in a time where the best foreigners are comparable to mediocre koreans. I dont get these pilgrimages players have been doing lately, qxc, drewbie, grubby etc. Either go to Korea and stay so you can compete, join one of the two pro houses outside of korea, or resign yourself to the irrelevance and low pay of being an amateur, which is what you are.
yo kid you put amateur and grubby in the same page, might wanna check that out
He's awesome, creative, and incredibly fun to watch. Simultaneously, he is like the most mannered and nice player I've ever seen. Plus, he does awesome WC3 unit voices :DDDDDDD
On September 03 2011 01:23 Muffinman53 wrote: This is great, but 1 month doesn't truly seem like enough time to reap the advantages Korea has to offer. I wish he was staying longer =\
I guess that's the problem with being married and a progamer .
Problem what? She's full supportive for what he's doing.
On September 03 2011 11:42 OPL3SA2 wrote: Grubby is the Walshy of warcraft 3. Overhyped to all extent. I'll have to look again at his results, but I'm pretty sure he was over celebrated and pretty always placing #2 or #3
You're just ignorant, the only player that can compete with him is moon. And who the fuck is "Walshy"??
On September 03 2011 04:23 Malinor wrote: At this point in the game, one month is not going to do much. Sadly I don't expect much improvement.
Don't doubt Grubby because he's only going to be there a month. QXC was in Korea about a month when he all-killed IM, just the higher skill of the ladder in Korea makes players better there.
But one month does not change enough. He will become a much better player, but after 2-3 months the game has changed so much again in Korea that a lot of what he has learned will already be outdated again. Training as good as it gets for one out of 12 months will not get him to the very top of the competition. I like Grubby as much as anyone and I actually want him to do very well, but I don't see it happening. He has been a mediocre foreigner the whole year and shown no real signs of improvement. And qxc did very well in that all-kill, but since then, he still has not made any impact in the following MLGs or any other tournaments that I've heard of. He is still in school full-time, so I guess we'll only see how good he can be after he is finished with that. But also in his case, one month just ddidn't change much except one day of fame.
edit: After all this negativity, of course this is a step in the right direction and I hope he can turn thinks around for his SC2 career.
I really wish the best for Grubby but everyone should know right now that he (nor anyone else) will EVER see the same kind of success that he had in War3. Being solid in sc2 is infinitely harder than it was in war3 for 2 reasons. One, luck plays a much greater role in Starcraft (even despite random item drop chances and unit/heroes not having a set amount of damage). Two, the competition is fiercer.
On September 03 2011 22:13 Neurosis wrote: I really wish the best for Grubby but everyone should know right now that he (nor anyone else) will EVER see the same kind of success that he had in War3. Being solid in sc2 is infinitely harder than it was in war3 for 2 reasons. One, luck plays a much greater role in Starcraft (even despite random item drop chances and unit/heroes not having a set amount of damage). Two, the competition is fiercer.
On September 03 2011 04:23 Malinor wrote: At this point in the game, one month is not going to do much. Sadly I don't expect much improvement.
Don't doubt Grubby because he's only going to be there a month. QXC was in Korea about a month when he all-killed IM, just the higher skill of the ladder in Korea makes players better there.
But one month does not change enough. He will become a much better player, but after 2-3 months the game has changed so much again in Korea that a lot of what he has learned will already be outdated again. Training as good as it gets for one out of 12 months will not get him to the very top of the competition. I like Grubby as much as anyone and I actually want him to do very well, but I don't see it happening. He has been a mediocre foreigner the whole year and shown no real signs of improvement. And qxc did very well in that all-kill, but since then, he still has not made any impact in the following MLGs or any other tournaments that I've heard of. He is still in school full-time, so I guess we'll only see how good he can be after he is finished with that. But also in his case, one month just ddidn't change much except one day of fame.
edit: After all this negativity, of course this is a step in the right direction and I hope he can turn thinks around for his SC2 career.
but you don't like Grubby do you. Your post is so negative and untrue it's not even to be taken serieus. Grubby is not top of europe you are right but saying he has not improved in his 7 months of play is just talking out of your ass. This is not NASL anymore, he played bad there that is true, but take some time and see some of his showmatches or his stream and you will see his play is getting really good. How 1 month of korea can turn negative is a question to me, any time you can get there is a great learning experience, there is no downside on it ... yet people will find one.
On September 03 2011 11:42 OPL3SA2 wrote: Grubby is the Walshy of warcraft 3. Overhyped to all extent. I'll have to look again at his results, but I'm pretty sure he was over celebrated and pretty always placing #2 or #3
You're just ignorant, the only player that can compete with him is moon. And who the fuck is "Walshy"??
I think he is actually talking about a Halo player, at least the only "Walshy" I know of is a old halo player.
Grubby has tremendously improved in his 7-8(?) months of play. Saying otherwise is stupid. Just because he didn't do well at NASL doesn't mean he's bad or anything @_@
ugh... I hope that sad play just now against the noname (at least I haven't heard of him before) in the first round of the sennheiser cup was because he had a bad day... :-/
On September 03 2011 01:20 VENDIZ wrote: Will he improve as much as e.g. Fenix?
Fenix was actually a very very strong player before going to korea. He hasn't imrpoved that much, he just had the opportunity to show his talent.
I've seen Grubby stream and I've heard a ton of good things on how he's improving, I wish him best luck in korea but doubt he'll improve a lot in 1 month. But I think he already has the necessary tools to perform well, we'll see.
On September 03 2011 01:20 VENDIZ wrote: Will he improve as much as e.g. Fenix?
Fenix was actually a very very strong player before going to korea. He hasn't imrpoved that much, he just had the opportunity to show his talent.
I've seen Grubby stream and I've heard a ton of good things on how he's improving, I wish him best luck in korea but doubt he'll improve a lot in 1 month. But I think he already has the necessary tools to perform well, we'll see.
Well I guess you can say that, but Fenix had no recent results worthy of mention before he went to Korea and is tearing it up there, so I think it's safe to say he improved or at the very least stopped slumping.
On September 03 2011 01:20 VENDIZ wrote: Will he improve as much as e.g. Fenix?
Fenix was actually a very very strong player before going to korea. He hasn't imrpoved that much, he just had the opportunity to show his talent.
I've seen Grubby stream and I've heard a ton of good things on how he's improving, I wish him best luck in korea but doubt he'll improve a lot in 1 month. But I think he already has the necessary tools to perform well, we'll see.
Well I guess you can say that, but Fenix had no recent results worthy of mention before he went to Korea and is tearing it up there, so I think it's safe to say he improved or at the very least stopped slumping.
He got first at IEM NY last year, and he got Ro4 at Dreamhack Summer 2010 beating oGsTOP along the way.
Grubby has improved so much in recent months as is. I had the opportunity to watch him at Raleigh and I expect him to continue to improve the rates he has. Good luck to him, I hope he gets into Code A. :D
Brings a smile to my face to read this announcement. Grubby Fighting!!
Why am I still surprised... all those negative comments *shakes head*. Makes me sad. I can't decide if some people (posters) are just Grumpy Old Men or Spoiled Children. It's very easy to be happy and exited for someone. To celebrate his or hers accomplishments. It's a choice to be negative - don't be that guy -
I like that more and more foreigners coming to Korea. They know it, they know if they do not go to Korea in 1 year the skill gap between foreigners and korean will be too big. (already quite big though when we see korean dominating everything overseas.
Uh-oh... I just saw (and walked by) Grubby IRL today. Didn't want to bother him, but hey.... I forgot I should have wished him good luck in Korea! So there! Good luck!
On September 03 2011 01:23 Muffinman53 wrote: This is great, but 1 month doesn't truly seem like enough time to reap the advantages Korea has to offer. I wish he was staying longer =\
1 month of training 8+ hours a day seems plenty to me. And as successful as he was in WC3, he knows how to train efficiently.
Grubby said on his stream he plans to practice 16 hours a day in korea and that some of his practice will be streamed, and that maybe there will be some showmatches with Korean pros (: .
Following this thread. Manuel will be on stream this afternoon discussing his ESWC placement and his trip to Korea. He will be in the EGS office at 14:00 and start streaming from around 15:00.
Please check in. A_Spec will interview him. Till then we will be displaying some nonsense. Want to ask Grubby Questions? Tweet @egs_inc
On September 05 2011 20:06 Lorch wrote: @EGSmike thanks for the intel, now if only you'd give us the timezones for it (given you wrote 14:00 instead of 2 p.m. I'm guessing just CEST).
Yeap CEST indeed, so 14.00 is in about 45 minutes from now.
On September 05 2011 20:04 EGSmike wrote: Hello all,
Following this thread. Manuel will be on stream this afternoon discussing his ESWC placement and his trip to Korea. He will be in the EGS office at 14:00 and start streaming from around 15:00.
Please check in. A_Spec will interview him. Till then we will be displaying some nonsense. Want to ask Grubby Questions? Tweet @egs_inc
thank you for watching guys. We want to do as many as we can, follow us for updates on twitch.tv/egslive
Next stop is the WCG Qualifiers in Belgium. We will cover the whole event and have a booth with The Grubby Starcraft 2 Series in the WCG hall where you can play against Grubby.
So no Code A qualifiers for Grubby anytime soon, unfortunately. The weeks of Korean practice should still make him a lot better though, especially if he can work something out with a local pro-team.
On September 07 2011 21:27 Scarboner wrote: oh good now he can go winless insted of 1-9 in whatever tourney he does..........
Grubby is the man. I went up to him at MLG Raleigh and he replied really warmly to me. Keep in mind he doesn't have to, he's awesome at games and he has a hot wife. But I could tell he really appreciated it.
Nothing in SC2 could make me more happy than seeing Grubby doing well.
I love that guy, he is the most charming of progamers, his wife is beautiful and he is a fantastic gamer. Grubby beating Moon was the best moment of my spectating e-sports.
On September 08 2011 02:03 Coopa826 wrote: great to see foreigner go to korea. but he will get rofl stomped 10 to nothing and all the koreans will still think we all are bad.
Send idra, huk ret and jinro but not 2nd class pros like grubby, destiny or spanishiwa or what ever
You're an idiot. Grubby is a sick nerd baller - He is the most talented RTS player of all time.
On September 08 2011 02:03 Coopa826 wrote: great to see foreigner go to korea. but he will get rofl stomped 10 to nothing and all the koreans will still think we all are bad.
Send idra, huk ret and jinro but not 2nd class pros like grubby, destiny or spanishiwa or what ever
You're an idiot. Grubby is a sick nerd baller - He is the most talented RTS player of all time.
I hope he shows success in Korea!!!
I would not call a wc3 player most talented rts player of all time... I'm sure some of these BW gods deserve that title much more.
Nonetheless Grubby is a sick talent. Calling him a second class pro is stupid! He knows what it takes to become good.